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[Code S] Ro16 Grp A: A Tale of Two Robots - S1 2015

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February 11th, 2015 01:12 GMT
2015 GSL Season 1

GSL Season One
Code S



A Tale of Two Robots
Ro16 Group 1:
INnoVation, Terminator, Dark, MMA

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

A Tale of Two Robots


by TameNaken

Wednesday, Feb 11 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)


The first group of the Ro16 consists of two former champions and two challengers that have yet to taste the quarterfinals. Will (T)INnoVation, the defending champion, get one step closer to taking consecutive titles? Will the older former champion Rocky (T)MMA reclaim former glory against the evil Russians Koreans? Will the rising star (Z)Dark live up to expectations or will the wheels finally fall off the bandwagon? Can (P)Terminator, the apparent "dark horse" of this tournament, devise one more upset?

If it hadn't been for a Cinderella run at the end of 2014, INnoVation's year would have been extremely underwhelming. Although he was late to the competition, the new SKT recruit found his old form just in time to win the last GSL of the year and catch a red-eyed flight to BlizzCon. Now that INnoVation is reinstated in KeSPA's good graces, he appears less often and looks more prepared in every showing. Getting out first in GSL Ro32 was standard fare; losing to (P)Stats in NSSL Challenger surprised many people, but served more to highlight Stats' excellence than anything else. His perfect 6-0 record in Proleague is stellar but didn't come easily, as he relied on lategame ghost/viking control for a couple of hard-fought comebacks.

A few odd games won't break INnoVation's reputation as the best Terran in the world. Due to neither (Z)soO or (P)Zest qualifying for GSL, INnoVation had the highest 2014 GSL ranking and first pick in the group selection. His choice of Terminator was exactly what keen fans expected, a Protoss player who ranked low on the totem pole among the available competition. INnoVation had no desire to shake things up with his surprise powers either, preferring to not mess around with his chances.

Like most avalanches, it started fairly innocuously. Terminator made it through the NSSL qualifiers over a respectable bunch consisting of (Z)BBoongBBoong, (P)Stork, (Z)TerrOr and (T)sKyHigh. With some bracket luck, Terminator defeated (Z)ByuL twice 4 days later to advance in the GSL. These results were mildly perplexing only due to their apparent synchronicity, as both results were well within the Jin Air captain's ability. Yet facing(T)TaeJa in NSSL along with (P)herO and (Z)Curious in GSL, Terminator's run would almost certainly come to an end. But Terminator was able to smother TaeJa, Curious and herO within the crashing snow. He stunned viewers with a 3-2 reverse sweep of TaeJa, then beat Curious 2-1 and herO 2-0 to advance to the GSL Ro16. Unfortunately for Terminator, the latter is where dreams come to die. When comparing the players side by side, Terminator shouldn't have the raw skill to take on the competition in a straight up game. Instead he ought to rely on his strong early game aggression or some creative long term strategies, like the phoenix/colossi composition he used against TaeJa in NSSL.

Despite being the current WCS Europe champion and Blizzcon runner up, MMA's name doesn't quite pack the same punch as his former teammate INnoVation's. So far MMA's return to Korea has been discouraging. Without a team league to worry about, MMA's life in his home country revolves around the two focal points of NSSL and GSL. Yet even with a supposedly lighter burden, MMA nearly didn't qualify for either league.

The Acer Terran's NSSL run was stopped early with a 2-1 loss to (Z)TerrOr in the qualifiers. In the GSL qualifiers MMA was one game away from being eliminated by (T)Apocalypse, a player that most people didn't realize was even in Korea. The close calls continued in the Ro32, where MMA survived with the lowest possible winning score of 4-4, which included a 0-2 loss to Dark. MMA's play style consists of twisting his opponent into unnatural contortions with constant drops, a reliable way of beating slightly worse opponents. But it's a style that may fail terribly if MMA plays the way he has been since moving back to Korea.

If you've read Dark's most recent interview, you know Dark is either the most ambitious player in the world or the best. Dark said that his goal as a progamer was to win 10 individual tournaments, a feat still unclaimed in SC2 history. In Dark's defense, he is constantly getting deeper and deeper in events. By current calculations, he would achieve his goal somewhere around the summer of 2031.

That being said, this is the best chance he's ever had to reach the quarterfinals. Rumors of him being SKT's top in-house player have finally resulted in SPL ace match appearances, which he has handled admirably. Within the last two months, Dark has gone 8-2 in matches against Protoss, and his ZvT expertise easily overwhelmed MMA in the round of 32. So in the group selections, Dark nominated himself to be in a group with Terminator and MMA: the motivation was transparent enough. The SKT Zerg was quick to provoke his potential victims but curiously yielded to INnoVation. Fortunately this saved him some future embarrassment as the very next day Dark fell out of the NSSL. Even if he felt that he could handle MMA without a problem, he still proved mortal against Terrans on the caliber of Maru and Dream.

Thoughts and Predictions:

It's hard to refute the idea that INnoVation will clean this group up, leaving the scraps for his teammate Dark. From his 6-0 record in Proleague, Inno has showed a level of play that the other players in this group can't imitate. At the same time Inno's slightly suspect TvT (and whose TvT isn't these days?) will be nevertheless favored against MMA. Dark's chances of advancing are a lot more vague than INnoVation's near guarantee. In recent games Dark's ZvT has only been surpassed by Life, relying heavily on his mechanics to bolster an impenetrable defense while raising a drone count that can reach three digits. It will be plenty good enough to triumph against MMA, but the odds are gloomy in a possible winners' match with INnoVation.

If anyone can able to upset the SKT empire it will probably be Terminator. Facing Inno in the first match is the hardest uphill battle imaginable, but the Jin Air captain's use of phoenix/colossi plays to an old weakness of INnoVation;s; it will also be useful against MMA's drop-heavy style. In a possible match against Dark, a few well hidden cheeses would be the best way to secure a painless win. As for the European prince, if MMA can play the way he did in Blizzcon then he would be the favorite to get out of the group. Currently he faces an uphill battle in each possible match-up.

INnoVation>Terminator
Dark> MMA
INnoVation>Dark
Terminator>MMA
Dark>Terminator

(T)INnoVation and (Z)Dark to advance.

Writers: TameNaken.
Editors: CosmicSpiral.
Graphics: lichter.
Photo: GOMeXP.
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Nebuchad
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Switzerland12523 Posts
February 11 2015 01:14 GMT
#2
If Dark and Innovation don't both go through, there will be like 8 people total scoring 2 points in the liquibets.
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lichter
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February 11 2015 01:16 GMT
#3
any excuse to use that pic on the front page is great
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munch
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Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 01:23 GMT
#4
INno / MMA to come out
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
February 11 2015 01:30 GMT
#5
dat ass tho
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2015 01:31 GMT
#6
Dark and Inno seem like the favorites to me but I think it would be funny to see terminator keep advancing
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
February 11 2015 01:40 GMT
#7
I think Dark-INno-Terminator-MMA. Dark vs INno is a toss-up though. INno hasn't played a streamed TvZ against someone who isnt Solar since Blizzcon, plus it's a teamkill.
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The_Templar
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your Country52798 Posts
February 11 2015 01:45 GMT
#8
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.
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Circumstance
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United States11403 Posts
February 11 2015 01:51 GMT
#9
On February 11 2015 10:45 The_Templar wrote:
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.

Terminator for champion. With Sniper and Roro both having retired, there needs to be someone new taking the throne.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 01:58:14
February 11 2015 01:53 GMT
#10
On February 11 2015 10:51 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 10:45 The_Templar wrote:
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.

Terminator for champion. With Sniper and Roro both having retired, there needs to be someone new taking the throne.

You're thinking too small. Terminator will win both tournaments, and beat Maru in the finals of both.
With the dual Korean tournament, we have so many opportunities for villains. Hopefully we get one.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
February 11 2015 02:00 GMT
#11
On February 11 2015 10:53 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 10:51 Circumstance wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:45 The_Templar wrote:
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.

Terminator for champion. With Sniper and Roro both having retired, there needs to be someone new taking the throne.

You're thinking too small. Terminator will win both tournaments, and beat Maru in the finals of both.
With the dual Korean tournament, we have so many opportunities for villains. Hopefully we get one.

villians kill pashun villians bad
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
February 11 2015 02:08 GMT
#12
On February 11 2015 10:53 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 10:51 Circumstance wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:45 The_Templar wrote:
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.

Terminator for champion. With Sniper and Roro both having retired, there needs to be someone new taking the throne.

You're thinking too small. Terminator will win both tournaments, and beat Maru in the finals of both.
With the dual Korean tournament, we have so many opportunities for villains. Hopefully we get one.

too bad terminator's out of NSSL
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 11 2015 02:19 GMT
#13
On February 11 2015 11:08 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 10:53 The_Templar wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:51 Circumstance wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:45 The_Templar wrote:
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.

Terminator for champion. With Sniper and Roro both having retired, there needs to be someone new taking the throne.

You're thinking too small. Terminator will win both tournaments, and beat Maru in the finals of both.
With the dual Korean tournament, we have so many opportunities for villains. Hopefully we get one.

too bad terminator's out of NSSL

I'm currently living in an alternative version of Earth where Terminator beat Super in the NSSL.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
February 11 2015 02:24 GMT
#14
On February 11 2015 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:08 banjoetheredskin wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:53 The_Templar wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:51 Circumstance wrote:
On February 11 2015 10:45 The_Templar wrote:
I can't wait for Terminator to advance here.

Terminator for champion. With Sniper and Roro both having retired, there needs to be someone new taking the throne.

You're thinking too small. Terminator will win both tournaments, and beat Maru in the finals of both.
With the dual Korean tournament, we have so many opportunities for villains. Hopefully we get one.

too bad terminator's out of NSSL

I'm currently living in an alternative version of Earth where Terminator beat Super in the NSSL.

rofl, u forgot super gonna win NSSL
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 11 2015 02:32 GMT
#15
Dark said that his goal as a progamer was to win 10 individual tournaments, a feat still unclaimed in SC2 history.


hmm? I was under the assumption Dark meant any individual tournament, which has been done several times already if you count major/minor events and even once by Taeja if we're only counting Premiers (with Life, MMA, and Mvp just behind him).

If he just meant Korean leagues, then yeah, that's pretty damn ambitious. Though, not terribly out of the question now with all that's happening in Korea these days.
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Apoteosis
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Chile820 Posts
February 11 2015 02:36 GMT
#16
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
February 11 2015 02:38 GMT
#17
I find this write-up to be....

BADASS 8]
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 02:40 GMT
#18
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/426481-wcs-s2-finals-innovation-questions-to-answer
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
February 11 2015 02:43 GMT
#19
On February 11 2015 11:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/426481-wcs-s2-finals-innovation-questions-to-answer

one of the most incredible articles on TL well done zeal
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FrostedMiniWheats
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United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 02:51:05
February 11 2015 02:43 GMT
#20
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.


dat win rate

http://aligulac.com/players/48/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

vs.



http://aligulac.com/players/28/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

==

Although I am very intrigued to see how MMA does tonight. I got Bogus/Dark coming out of this but MMA making it wouldn't be too surprising. Deep down I think MMA still has potential to go deep and his skills have simply been degrading outside Korea. He could rise to the occasion in this group. His pick of Dark is very perplexing given how bad he got owned by him in the group stage. Perhaps he'll be more competitive this time around.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
February 11 2015 02:47 GMT
#21
On February 11 2015 11:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.


dat win rate

http://aligulac.com/players/48/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

12/24/2014 INnoVation KR T 2–3 P KR Stats'

fucking scrub
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 02:58 GMT
#22
On February 11 2015 11:43 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/426481-wcs-s2-finals-innovation-questions-to-answer

one of the most incredible articles on TL well done zeal



My favourite part about it is that Zealously predicted duckdeok to beat INno... which obviously never actually took place since INno played Naniwa in the loser's match.

Blizzcon was a different story...
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
February 11 2015 02:59 GMT
#23
On February 11 2015 11:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/426481-wcs-s2-finals-innovation-questions-to-answer


Didn't recall that, thanks.

Anyways, the exception makes the rule.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 11 2015 02:59 GMT
#24
On February 11 2015 11:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.


dat win rate

http://aligulac.com/players/48/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

12/24/2014 INnoVation KR T 2–3 P KR Stats'

fucking scrub


09/17/2014 INnoVation KR T 3–0 Z KR DongRaeGu
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
February 11 2015 03:03 GMT
#25
Small suggestion for those of us (myself especially) who are inept at finding out when these matches are going to take place: list the T - minus time for the match?

That said, does anyone know when the group is playing?
why?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 11 2015 03:06 GMT
#26
On February 11 2015 12:03 caznitch wrote:
Small suggestion for those of us (myself especially) who are inept at finding out when these matches are going to take place: list the T - minus time for the match?

That said, does anyone know when the group is playing?


6hrs and 24 min from this post.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S#Group_Stage_.231_.28Ro16.29
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 03:06 GMT
#27
On February 11 2015 12:03 caznitch wrote:
Small suggestion for those of us (myself especially) who are inept at finding out when these matches are going to take place: list the T - minus time for the match?

That said, does anyone know when the group is playing?


It's going to be at 6.30 Korean time (or approximately 6 1/2 hours from now)

A good way to check is to go on liquipedia (follow the link in the OP) and it lists all the times for the groups / games.
Click on the small i button to expand it for playoff matches for more info
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S#Group_Stage_.231_.28Ro16.29

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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 03:08:49
February 11 2015 03:08 GMT
#28
On February 11 2015 12:03 caznitch wrote:
Small suggestion for those of us (myself especially) who are inept at finding out when these matches are going to take place: list the T - minus time for the match?

That said, does anyone know when the group is playing?

well T-minus is always linked in the liquipedia page which is in the upper right of the article. 18:30 KST, or 4:30 EST

edit: damnit munch and miniwheat
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TerranHwaiting
Profile Joined December 2014
Korea (North)179 Posts
February 11 2015 03:10 GMT
#29
Have fun watching it in 240p! :D
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United States472 Posts
February 11 2015 03:30 GMT
#30
Should be a pretty awesome group!
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
February 11 2015 03:32 GMT
#31
On February 11 2015 12:10 TerranHwaiting wrote:
Have fun watching it in 240p! :D

If you squint while watching it, it's resolution doubles!
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1203 Posts
February 11 2015 03:33 GMT
#32
On February 11 2015 12:10 TerranHwaiting wrote:
Have fun watching it in 240p! :D


Or just get a flippin subscription
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 11 2015 03:35 GMT
#33
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

Because picking Inno is safe. He's pretty good yo

I don't think TL writers underestimate MMA all that much but he is an underdog in this group
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 03:41 GMT
#34
On February 11 2015 12:35 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

Because picking Inno is safe. He's pretty good yo

I don't think TL writers underestimate MMA all that much but he is an underdog in this group

them predictions
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Jjing
Profile Joined February 2015
China13 Posts
February 11 2015 03:57 GMT
#35
On February 11 2015 11:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.


dat win rate

http://aligulac.com/players/48/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

vs.



http://aligulac.com/players/28/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

==

Although I am very intrigued to see how MMA does tonight. I got Bogus/Dark coming out of this but MMA making it wouldn't be too surprising. Deep down I think MMA still has potential to go deep and his skills have simply been degrading outside Korea. He could rise to the occasion in this group. His pick of Dark is very perplexing given how bad he got owned by him in the group stage. Perhaps he'll be more competitive this time around.



It was not MMA's willing to pick Dark. Inno asked him to do that.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2015 04:13 GMT
#36
On February 11 2015 11:43 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/426481-wcs-s2-finals-innovation-questions-to-answer

one of the most incredible articles on TL well done zeal

He rode that prediction result for months
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
February 11 2015 04:33 GMT
#37
On February 11 2015 11:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 11:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 11 2015 11:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 11 2015 11:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Why TL writers always overestimate Innovation and underestimate MMA ?

I can't recall a single preview against Inno since the start of HoTS...

MMA and Dark to advance here.


dat win rate

http://aligulac.com/players/48/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

12/24/2014 INnoVation KR T 2–3 P KR Stats'

fucking scrub


09/17/2014 INnoVation KR T 3–0 Z KR DongRaeGu

No one remembers the 2013 games
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caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 05:07:49
February 11 2015 05:06 GMT
#38
Thanks for the help everyone! I knew it was somewhere... I'm 28 which is pretty much an octogenarian in e-sports years.

EDIT: Go anyone but Terminator (who I blame for Taeja's absence)
why?
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 11 2015 05:14 GMT
#39
Not sure if I can watch this live yet D:
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 11 2015 05:57 GMT
#40
MMA will surprise some people.
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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
February 11 2015 07:04 GMT
#41
I have Innovation and Terminator for this group on bets...

Inno > Term 2-0
MMA > Dark 2-1
Inno > MMA 2-0
Term > Dark 2-1
Term > MMA 2-0

Thank you your welcome.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
February 11 2015 08:26 GMT
#42
My Liquibets are doomed, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED! I selected Inno & Dark too and we all know how the curse of TL predictions works. Now I have to wait who Artosis curses... but, but... damn it! :D
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 11 2015 08:37 GMT
#43
On February 11 2015 14:57 OtherWorld wrote:
MMA will surprise some people.


By finishing 3rd with a 2-4 record ?
Zest fanboy.
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
February 11 2015 08:41 GMT
#44
No LRT for this ? :O :O
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 11 2015 08:47 GMT
#45
On February 11 2015 14:14 GumBa wrote:
Not sure if I can watch this live yet D:


I was hoping you would hold my hand T_T
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Destyesyo
Profile Joined December 2014
4 Posts
February 11 2015 08:55 GMT
#46
Would love to see MMA advance, but I think both SKT players will crush the group :/
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
February 11 2015 09:28 GMT
#47
We need a LR hero to create the thread !
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5472 Posts
February 11 2015 09:45 GMT
#48
I can't stop laughing at the title: "A Tale of Two Robots."

Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
February 11 2015 09:50 GMT
#49
Pretty sure Innovation and Dark will take this, don't know where they get Terminator from.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
February 11 2015 12:22 GMT
#50
On February 11 2015 17:37 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 14:57 OtherWorld wrote:
MMA will surprise some people.


By finishing 3rd with a 2-4 record ?


Yeah ;D
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 11 2015 12:25 GMT
#51
On February 11 2015 17:37 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 14:57 OtherWorld wrote:
MMA will surprise some people.


By finishing 3rd with a 2-4 record ?

You were saying? d:
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Asarha
Profile Joined January 2012
France71 Posts
February 11 2015 12:29 GMT
#52
On February 11 2015 17:37 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 14:57 OtherWorld wrote:
MMA will surprise some people.


By finishing 3rd with a 2-4 record ?

[image loading]
You look like this now.
http://isday9dead.com/
zEEzz
Profile Joined October 2012
93 Posts
February 11 2015 12:37 GMT
#53
"win 10 individual tournaments, a feat still unclaimed in SC2 history"

is that right? what about taeja 10000 premier tournaments?
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
February 11 2015 13:15 GMT
#54
MMA !!!!!
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
MaskaGodlike
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation50 Posts
February 11 2015 13:21 GMT
#55
It is like a millionth time TL says that MMA won't get out of his group, and MMA does in 80%
MMA
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 13:28 GMT
#56
On February 11 2015 22:21 MaskaGodlike wrote:
It is like a millionth time TL says that MMA won't get out of his group, and MMA does in 80%


When was the last time TL said that
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
February 11 2015 13:34 GMT
#57
Bogus all the way, man.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18733 Posts
February 11 2015 13:35 GMT
#58
MMA> TL
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 11 2015 14:15 GMT
#59
On February 11 2015 10:14 Nebuchad wrote:
If Dark and Innovation don't both go through, there will be like 8 people total scoring 2 points in the liquibets.


1 of 8 reporting!
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 11 2015 14:20 GMT
#60
On February 11 2015 23:15 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 10:14 Nebuchad wrote:
If Dark and Innovation don't both go through, there will be like 8 people total scoring 2 points in the liquibets.


1 of 8 reporting!


MMA / INno makes me smug
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
February 11 2015 15:39 GMT
#61
Ass uncovered.

eSports saved.
:3
Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
February 11 2015 18:46 GMT
#62
Ahhhh yes. MMA advances and everyone expecting Innovation & Dark to advance must be perplexed. MMA showed some amazing games. Definitely Code S champion incoming
MMA will reign supreme once again // MaSa is gawd
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
February 11 2015 21:59 GMT
#63
DAMN IT MMA
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
February 11 2015 22:58 GMT
#64
Told ya, TL Writers overestimate Inno and underestimate MMA. I don't blame them, tho: Inno is always a safe pick.

Now, Dark's hype train crushed so hard; I feel sorry for the kid, he's really good, let's hope he learned from his mistakes and mantain his good shape.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
February 11 2015 23:04 GMT
#65
On February 12 2015 07:58 Apoteosis wrote:
Told ya, TL Writers overestimate Inno and underestimate MMA. I don't blame them, tho: Inno is always a safe pick.

Now, Dark's hype train crushed so hard; I feel sorry for the kid, he's really good, let's hope he learned from his mistakes and mantain his good shape.


INno predicted to take first, goes 4-0 and 0-2 in mirror, gets out in second place.
Dark predicted to take second, goes 1-4, first eliminated out of the group.

INno "overestimated." Seems legit.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 00:49:05
February 12 2015 00:48 GMT
#66
On February 12 2015 06:59 EnumaAvalon wrote:
DAMN IT MMA


MMA is/still has a monster inside of him. I think people overlook him because his "prime" was back in 2011-2012, when he was ALMOST on par with Mvp. MMA being back in Korea, after having a refreshing and relaxing 2 years away from the scene and the SlayerS stuff with the backing of a legit and good team means he's at the peak of his form.

MMA emerged in the time when Terrans were the powerhouse, and he was essentially the protege of Boxer. Plus, MMA learns from his mistakes. He wasn't going to lose to Dark 0-2 again.

People just need to jump on the hype train now and starting rooting for MMA. He'll win Code S and be on top of the world. Then, when his contract with Acer is up, Inno will bring him over to SKT and they'll mold Dream into the bonjwa he's destined to be.
MMA will reign supreme once again // MaSa is gawd
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
February 12 2015 13:41 GMT
#67
I hope that MMA ends his career on Acer.
:3
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
February 13 2015 04:50 GMT
#68
Looking back at this it's obvious to me I don't watch Proleague, because my expectation would have been Inno and MMA.
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