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Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST)
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 24 2015 05:24 GMT
#901
Ohhh, another messed up curve! More drama!

On January 24 2015 09:13 Captain Peabody wrote:
Look, I was actively following things when the BW match-fixing scandal came out. Betting is illegal in Korea, so there were no public tipoffs from the "dark" betting sites about what was going on. The information came out due to Kespa investigating and banning the players in question. The scandal that resulted was a huge deal in Korea, and permanently damaged the Korean BW scene.

The point being, Kespa have a history of successfully investigating things like this, AND they're highly, highly incentivized to deal with match-fixing. If there is significant match-fixing going on, they're overwhelmingly likely to find it.

So to play the devils advocate, just because kespa spotted one case of match-fixing, doesn't mean that they missed 10 before that, that no one heard about. I feel you are doing the logical step:

Kespa found out about matchfixing once --> kespa will find out if it's there.

Which is not necessarily true.

But anyway, curious to see what will happen! Maybe it is someone that discover that they can do bets early on, and if it turns out that the bet was a bad bet just before the game, they can "cancel" their earlier bet by pumping in silly bets and trigger the match-fixing algorithm. :D Or blizzard paving the way for sc3 by throwing scandals over the sc2 scene??? Or some other company that want to enter the RTS scene?? Rich kiddo?? Incompetent match-fixers?? Endless possibilities!!!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9366 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-24 07:21:35
January 24 2015 07:21 GMT
#902
These two sentences doens't add up.

The scandal that resulted was a huge deal in Korea, and permanently damaged the Korean BW scene.

highly incentivized to deal with match-fixing
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
February 05 2015 18:39 GMT
#903
Like it never happened.

2/5/2015

GG.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 05 2015 20:19 GMT
#904
On February 06 2015 03:39 dsousa wrote:
Like it never happened.

2/5/2015

GG.


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User was temp banned for this post.
zamzx
Profile Joined March 2014
United States7 Posts
February 06 2015 00:28 GMT
#905
Honestly I've been watching this thread (and a lot of proleague over the past two years) and Dark has been a name that the casters talk about a lot, even reaching into last season. Being someone who gets mentioned as being 'up and coming' and 'really good' in the cast most likely would influence things a lot. Plus Dark has had a really really really good season so far, so even though he might not have as much publicity as the other players, to the people who watch and listen he's definitively become a huge favorite.

Also Koreans like that don't have a lot of games to show how much they've been improving* - so his skill level changes faster and more drastically than the betting site might expect.

* that is, you have no idea how well they've been doing during ladder or in-house training.
I am long past innocence, and fast approaching apathy
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 06 2015 21:27 GMT
#906
So a fun article about manipulating sports books on ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12280555/how-billy-walters-became-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor

Obvious not a whole lot we can relate to this case other than to say that when you people like this around you better believe sports books are very sophisticated to try to keep them from winning all their money.

But it gives a glimpse into how sports betting works and the stakes involved there.
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
February 07 2015 22:58 GMT
#907
Want more info and speculation lol
Have a nice day ;)
Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
February 08 2015 17:34 GMT
#908
These tweets by Olimoley might be relevant:





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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 08 2015 17:41 GMT
#909
How exactly does not having Korean stream solve the problem?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 08 2015 17:43 GMT
#910
Those tweets deserve an extra thread imo, an interview with Olivia would be most interesting too.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
February 08 2015 17:45 GMT
#911
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Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
February 08 2015 17:46 GMT
#912
On February 09 2015 02:43 Musicus wrote:
Those tweets deserve an extra thread imo, an interview with Olivia would be most interesting too.

Ok, I'm creating one atm.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
February 08 2015 17:50 GMT
#913
On February 09 2015 02:46 Clubfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 02:43 Musicus wrote:
Those tweets deserve an extra thread imo, an interview with Olivia would be most interesting too.

Ok, I'm creating one atm.

You're just making it relevant by tying loose ends together.
ppp
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
February 08 2015 17:53 GMT
#914
Again, where is the proof??? Just posting tweets like this only keeps the crowd in the dark. Making accusations of that the sc2 scene is a matchfixing playground without substantial proof really is an ignorant thing to do.
Supah ToHLL
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 08 2015 17:53 GMT
#915
On February 09 2015 02:50 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 02:46 Clubfan wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:43 Musicus wrote:
Those tweets deserve an extra thread imo, an interview with Olivia would be most interesting too.

Ok, I'm creating one atm.

You're just making it relevant by tying loose ends together.


It can not be made relevant, it IS relevant.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Anacreor
Profile Joined February 2013
Netherlands291 Posts
February 08 2015 18:05 GMT
#916
Holy shit, those tweets.
"Peter the Acretree chops some wood"
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
February 08 2015 18:06 GMT
#917
No proof means nothing.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2015 18:07 GMT
#918
Oli should just straight up say who is cheating and fixing
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2015 18:08 GMT
#919
On February 09 2015 03:07 GumBa wrote:
Oli should just straight up say who is cheating and fixing


I agree. The speculation is harmful more so than actual names would be, in my opinion.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 18:10:22
February 08 2015 18:09 GMT
#920
There are more tweets, but they also do NOT provide any evidence:



Update: Apparently, Blizzard has been investigating this:
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