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Matchfixing is a very serious offence and accusations of matchfixing should not be made lightly. Please avoid making accusations against specific individuals unless you have substantial proof, or until further information is released. (0620 KST)
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
February 08 2015 18:12 GMT
#921
On February 09 2015 03:08 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:07 GumBa wrote:
Oli should just straight up say who is cheating and fixing


I agree. The speculation is harmful more so than actual names would be, in my opinion.


Maybe TL can interview her?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GEC
Profile Joined January 2015
Italy1 Post
February 08 2015 18:13 GMT
#922
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.
Giochi Elettronici Competitivi
Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 18:14:32
February 08 2015 18:13 GMT
#923
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.

It's been closed as she didn't provide any proof and at this point, the speculation would do more harm than good.
LiquipediaLickyPiddy manager
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4067 Posts
February 08 2015 18:14 GMT
#924
judging by what Grant HIll tweeted, Olivia Wong is doing Blizz a disservice by washing laundry in public without proof. She shouldve waited and let Blizzard handle it.
<3 things - Life | Kane | Innovation | Scarlett | Solar | MMA
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
February 08 2015 18:14 GMT
#925
So if they're not going to release names until Blizzard has more info, then why even post it? Hasn't Breaking Bad taught us anything? NO HALF MEASURES
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2015 18:15 GMT
#926
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.


Definitely. There's no proof anywhere though, just angry tweets claiming matchfixing left and right. No names named, no details shared, just "inside information" with no (as of yet provided) substance. Not thread-worthy in its current form.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 08 2015 18:16 GMT
#927
Wow this really got me confused, my thoughts are this.


Not saying that its not possible but I find unlikely that companies like SKT, Samsung and CJ would risk their companies good name to earn what would for the companies be small money. They are in it for the publicity, they wouldn't risk it all to do something shady like this and I find it unlikely all the teams are matchfixing while the coaches and teambosses don't know about it.

Maybe its a thing what do I know but I thing its unlikely its as big of a thing as she makes it sound. I can imagine a group of individuals doing this but not as many as this makes it sound.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 08 2015 18:17 GMT
#928
On February 09 2015 03:14 xtorn wrote:
judging by what Grant HIll tweeted, Olivia Wong is doing Blizz a disservice by washing laundry in public without proof. She shouldve waited and let Blizzard handle it.

You really think you can get Blizzard to do anything? To sounds like Aeromi for a second here, they can't even get a handbook together or announce a date. Trying to get Blizzard to be helpful is like trying to get a sloth to run a marathon, it might happen eventually but it'll probably be a few years.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
February 08 2015 18:17 GMT
#929
Is Oli risking her job doing this? I wonder what TB has to say about those tweets.

Hot damn this shit just got more interesting, lemme get my popcorn!
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
February 08 2015 18:18 GMT
#930
Finally a bit of drama!
Vasacast always in my <3
Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
February 08 2015 18:18 GMT
#931
On February 09 2015 03:15 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.


Definitely. There's no proof anywhere though, just angry tweets claiming matchfixing left and right. No names named, no details shared, just "inside information" with no (as of yet provided) substance. Not thread-worthy in its current form.

My thread has been opened again? I've now put a kind of disclaimer in the op.
LiquipediaLickyPiddy manager
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2015 18:20 GMT
#932
On February 09 2015 03:18 Clubfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.


Definitely. There's no proof anywhere though, just angry tweets claiming matchfixing left and right. No names named, no details shared, just "inside information" with no (as of yet provided) substance. Not thread-worthy in its current form.

My thread has been opened again? I've now put a kind of disclaimer in the op.


We got in touch with olimoley, more information should be forthcoming.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
February 08 2015 18:22 GMT
#933
On February 09 2015 03:20 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:18 Clubfan wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.


Definitely. There's no proof anywhere though, just angry tweets claiming matchfixing left and right. No names named, no details shared, just "inside information" with no (as of yet provided) substance. Not thread-worthy in its current form.

My thread has been opened again? I've now put a kind of disclaimer in the op.


We got in touch with olimoley, more information should be forthcoming.

Ok, I hope she provides waterproof evidences, otherwise it would have been very dumb to go public.
LiquipediaLickyPiddy manager
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
February 08 2015 18:23 GMT
#934
On February 09 2015 03:16 Shuffleblade wrote:
Wow this really got me confused, my thoughts are this.


Not saying that its not possible but I find unlikely that companies like SKT, Samsung and CJ would risk their companies good name to earn what would for the companies be small money. They are in it for the publicity, they wouldn't risk it all to do something shady like this and I find it unlikely all the teams are matchfixing while the coaches and teambosses don't know about it.

Maybe its a thing what do I know but I thing its unlikely its as big of a thing as she makes it sound. I can imagine a group of individuals doing this but not as many as this makes it sound.


Yeah this is more about online tournaments where big names are playing although the prize money is "only" 2k or something. I do not think this about KeSPA or Prloeague teams, but rather about small online streamers/tournament organizers. As she is personally trying to improve the scene on that smaller level through here own tournament, I can see why she is upset.

But if Blizzard is aware of this, she should've stayed quite for now I guess, or go all out with proof and names.


Another tweet:

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2015 18:24 GMT
#935
On February 09 2015 03:20 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:18 Clubfan wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.


Definitely. There's no proof anywhere though, just angry tweets claiming matchfixing left and right. No names named, no details shared, just "inside information" with no (as of yet provided) substance. Not thread-worthy in its current form.

My thread has been opened again? I've now put a kind of disclaimer in the op.


We got in touch with olimoley, more information should be forthcoming.

Excellent
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
February 08 2015 18:24 GMT
#936
So how are the organizers of these small tournaments involved? I am so confused…

Her tweets seem to imply that basetrade is also involved in this betting scandal. Please someone get me more information, I am so thirsty!
PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
February 08 2015 18:29 GMT
#937
On February 09 2015 03:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
So how are the organizers of these small tournaments involved? I am so confused…

Her tweets seem to imply that basetrade is also involved in this betting scandal. Please someone get me more information, I am so thirsty!

The idea is that a "sponsor" gives the tournament money on the condition that there is a long stream delay, so they can bet on the games while already knowing the results.
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4067 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 18:34:07
February 08 2015 18:32 GMT
#938
On February 09 2015 03:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:14 xtorn wrote:
judging by what Grant HIll tweeted, Olivia Wong is doing Blizz a disservice by washing laundry in public without proof. She shouldve waited and let Blizzard handle it.

You really think you can get Blizzard to do anything? To sounds like Aeromi for a second here, they can't even get a handbook together or announce a date. Trying to get Blizzard to be helpful is like trying to get a sloth to run a marathon, it might happen eventually but it'll probably be a few years.


regardless of how Blizzard is handling the issue, she should not have done this imho. She risks her job, career, credibility and if she has no proof then the whole move was simply a huge mistake. Blizz would never compromise themselves with such mistakes, and surely they were actively working on the problems, gathering evidence, etc.But this kind of thing takes time.

On February 09 2015 03:22 Clubfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:20 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:18 Clubfan wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2015 03:13 GEC wrote:
Wow. Need a thread to explain all this shit.


Definitely. There's no proof anywhere though, just angry tweets claiming matchfixing left and right. No names named, no details shared, just "inside information" with no (as of yet provided) substance. Not thread-worthy in its current form.

My thread has been opened again? I've now put a kind of disclaimer in the op.


We got in touch with olimoley, more information should be forthcoming.

Ok, I hope she provides waterproof evidences, otherwise it would have been very dumb to go public.


exactly.
<3 things - Life | Kane | Innovation | Scarlett | Solar | MMA
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
February 08 2015 18:33 GMT
#939
On February 09 2015 03:29 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 03:24 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
So how are the organizers of these small tournaments involved? I am so confused…

Her tweets seem to imply that basetrade is also involved in this betting scandal. Please someone get me more information, I am so thirsty!

The idea is that a "sponsor" gives the tournament money on the condition that there is a long stream delay, so they can bet on the games while already knowing the results.

Ah I see, so this doesn't directly connect with the Pinnacle issue, unless of course Pinnacle is putting these small tournaments on their platform.

Can anyone confirm if these small tournaments and showmatches can be betted on betting platforms?
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 18:47:34
February 08 2015 18:47 GMT
#940
Good on you Olivia Wong for speaking up where so many people just cower away from the issue!

Thank you!

SC2 in Korean need to be cleaned up. If one there were a esports association of some type. Like a governing body.....

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ski690
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