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ChapatiyaqPTSM
France1887 Posts
 Invasion eSport just announced DongRaeGu as their newest recruit.http://www.invasion-esport.com/2014/12/21/new-invasions-player/ DRG will continue to reside in Seoul, Korea, where he currently lives with his former MVP teammate who joined Invasion eSport InvǂSuper. Soon, we will release his interview. Current Invasion eSport roster:   DongRaeGu  GuMiho  Super TOP GenjiTakiya  IMComingHome Nanaki  Quent Theo
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Aeromi
France14460 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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HoZBlooddrop
Italy324 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Faefae
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On December 22 2014 00:48 SuperHofmann wrote: Better teamless than invasion why? isnt it a good thing that he can have paid travel to events? | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:40 HoZBlooddrop wrote: deadpixels + invasion esports would be an awsome proleague team next season :D Provided both teams are around next season | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:50 Faefae wrote: why? isnt it a good thing that he can have paid travel to events? I was hoping something better for him than a new shady team without real sponsors. I hope everything will be nice for him. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Faust852
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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leandroqm
Netherlands874 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:30 Lorning wrote: Starting to get a pretty solid lineup starting to...? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:30 Aeromi wrote: Good luck. And have fun. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8513 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
GL. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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James123
France34 Posts
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b0zz
France20 Posts
I don't care how they're doing this, that's just great! Good luck. | ||
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Ryncol
United States980 Posts
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xtorn
4060 Posts
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
c'mon, they can't scum DRG | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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blueangel
Argentina2 Posts
DRG! | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
Also, gl ! | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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orllyfools
United States153 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 22 2014 01:17 vult wrote: One things for sure, they definitely need to get a legit translator for their website. The grammar is terrible and hard to take seriously from an English-speaking standpoint. Let's hope this is legit. GL. The french version is even worse from a grammar pov. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 22 2014 03:49 orllyfools wrote: Who in their right mind would start a SC2 team when all the fans think its a scam as soon as these "sponsor less" teams pick up members?? Just support by watching them and leave all this sketch talk out. Seriously half of you are saying it just to fit in now. well it hurts players and wastes their time when teams turn out to be a scam or can't pay up. i totally agree people don't have to be so negative and everyone seems to want to be a clever naysayer these days, but i can understand where the cynicism comes from | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 22 2014 03:57 brickrd wrote: well it hurts players and wastes their time when teams turn out to be a scam or can't pay up. i totally agree people don't have to be so negative and everyone seems to want to be a clever naysayer these days, but i can understand where the cynicism comes from With this attitue there would never be a new team anywhere in the scene. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 22 2014 03:49 orllyfools wrote: Who in their right mind would start a SC2 team when all the fans think its a scam as soon as these "sponsor less" teams pick up members?? Just support by watching them and leave all this sketch talk out. Seriously half of you are saying it just to fit in now. Nothing started well. We are not randomly accusing. They used strange programs to increase retweets in their account for example. They sad "we have sponsors but we can't show them". Which sponsor don't want to be show??? Meh. We are just saying that this team doens't seem regular and we are worried for the players we love. For example Dead Pixels is different. Some well known person like mYi's staff sad that they know them and they are regular people. Also TotalBiscuit confirmed it. Nobody knows Invasion guys. And their website is not gramatically correct in french (and they are french, AHAHAHAHAH). I hope the best for the korean guys... | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
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budlight
United States6 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zn79UFX.png) Funny, but it seems that they both have people vouching for their legitimacy and they are both sending players... i don't really see the problem... Maybe you have more info to share with us? | ||
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GhostCrypt
United Kingdom19 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 22 2014 04:33 budlight wrote: Funny, but it seems that they both have people vouching for their legitimacy and they are both sending players... i don't really see the problem... Maybe you have more info to share with us? I don't think I have seen anyone vouching for Invasion, unlike DP. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
don't retire DRG | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On December 22 2014 03:49 orllyfools wrote: Who in their right mind would start a SC2 team when all the fans think its a scam as soon as these "sponsor less" teams pick up members?? Just support by watching them and leave all this sketch talk out. Seriously half of you are saying it just to fit in now. It's hard to take a team seriously when they haven't proven stability or legitimacy, let alone operate a website with professional and at least grammar-edited articles surrounding their team. | ||
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bulletbill
Canada33 Posts
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The_Masked_Shrimp
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 22 2014 05:17 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: OK I don't how stupid some people can be. Their sponsor is selling alcohol, in France it is against the law to advertise for alcohol and that's why they are not advertising themselves. And I don't think the alcohol market will collapse anytime soon or would benefit for a sub 50 000 viewers broadcasting activity. I would be more confident in their ability to sustain and pay for a team in the long term than teamliquid. Sponsor needs visibility. If a company can't have visibility 'cause is forbidden, there's no reason to be a sponsor. Am I crazy? | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 22 2014 05:24 SuperHofmann wrote: Sponsor needs visibility. If a company can't have visibility 'cause is forbidden, there's no reason to be a sponsor. Am I crazy? Marlboro sponsored Ferraris Formula 1 Team for about 5 years with several millions while official cigarette advertisment was abolished from formula 1. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 22 2014 05:28 Clonester wrote: Marlboro sponsored Ferraris Formula 1 Team for about 5 years with several millions while official cigarette advertisment was abolished from formula 1. But they had visibility, so? I'm not complaining about the forbidden, I'm saying that this company seems a bit stupid to sponsor someone that can't show them lol | ||
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budlight
United States6 Posts
On December 22 2014 05:24 SuperHofmann wrote: Sponsor needs visibility. If a company can't have visibility 'cause is forbidden, there's no reason to be a sponsor. Am I crazy? There might be no business reasons but there might be other reasons we don't know that pushed them to support this team. And i wonder how they managed to send 3 players to the IEM if they had no support? because sending 3 people from Korea... it is very expensive... | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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IAMPRO
Afghanistan118 Posts
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Aeromi
France14460 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 22 2014 05:37 SuperHofmann wrote: But they had visibility, so? I'm not complaining about the forbidden, I'm saying that this company seems a bit stupid to sponsor someone that can't show them lol Marlboro payed from 2005 to 2011 1 billion dollar. Their logo got distingished from the car 2008, the "marlboro barcode" 2010. Their expended the contract till 2015 while they gain no visibality at all since 2011. 2011 ferrari rebranded their team from "scuderia ferrari marlboro" to "scuderia ferrari". They pay ALOT for no visability at all. Many people do that. Some just are rich fans who pay for something they like, some companys hope for contacts and contracts due to the sport and other just do it for whatever reason. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
 But good for DRG, at least for a while. Marlboro payed from 2005 to 2011 1 billion dollar. Their logo got distingished from the car 2008, the "marlboro barcode" 2010. Their expended the contract till 2015 while they gain no visibality at all since 2011. 2011 ferrari rebranded their team from "scuderia ferrari marlboro" to "scuderia ferrari". They pay ALOT for no visability at all. And yet we all know that malboro sponsors them, so they do get visibility, who sponsors this guys again? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 22 2014 05:17 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: OK I don't how stupid some people can be. Their sponsor is selling alcohol, in France it is against the law to advertise for alcohol and that's why they are not advertising themselves. And I don't think the alcohol market will collapse anytime soon or would benefit for a sub 50 000 viewers broadcasting activity. I would be more confident in their ability to sustain and pay for a team in the long term than teamliquid. You can very well circumvent French law by having logos which are very close to the original without being the original. Tobacco/alcohol brands do that very often in car racing. edit : additionally I'm pretty sure French law only applies in France, meaning that they could feature the sponsor on their players' shirts/hoodies/jackets when playing in other countries | ||
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PharaphobiaSC2
Czech Republic85 Posts
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Woosung
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budlight
United States6 Posts
On December 22 2014 07:23 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote: I think we should start a paypal for those players when this "team" suprisingly disbands... Cmon their budget can't be positive... In starcraft, and just starcraft i don't know which teams have a positive budget though, to be realistic... It s sad compare to cs, lol, dota... | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Gosh that must be terrible as a team to try to go pro when you have so much people against you just for the fact you're not known yet... | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 22 2014 07:49 Shinespark wrote: Oh, DRG.... you've fallen so far... Yes, poor guy, these days he has to join a team with twice as much Code-S players as KT. No, seriously, what is with all the negativity towards Invasion? They have payed the flights to San Jose for Gumiho, TOP and Super. Shouldn't that be enough to trust them for now? And with those players in the team (Again: Super and Gumiho are Code S and also qualified for SSL), the line-up is bad either. Korean star players have joined worse line-ups in the past. | ||
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creamyturtle
United States487 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On December 22 2014 09:30 Xoronius wrote: Yes, poor guy, these days he has to join a team with twice as much Code-S players as KT. No, seriously, what is with all the negativity towards Invasion? They have payed the flights to San Jose for Gumiho, TOP and Super. Shouldn't that be enough to trust them for now? And with those players in the team (Again: Super and Gumiho are Code S and also qualified for SSL), the line-up is bad either. Korean star players have joined worse line-ups in the past. No, it shouldn't be enough to trust them. Even if they pay their players and support them, they could still be a shady buisness. For example, lets say "X" team is funded by dirty money, money laundry for example, but "its alright" they pay they players, they take them to all the tournaments, the players are happy. then, people descover the truth, there is a scandal, the news cover it, team managers going to jail, the players are now teamless, sponsors withdraw some or all their support from some teams because they don't want to be involved in that "shady starcraft game", or even with esports in general cause they feel they could get bad press. And e-sports doesn't need any more scandals. Shady teams, even if they pay their players, aren't something people should accept. Now, im not saying this teamm in particular is money laundry, but it is strange, and we should all be careful. We can't jump to conclutions withouth any prove, but,if e-sports is to grow, we just can't go and say "i don't care if they are shady as long as they pay the teams" cause it could potentially backfire pretty badly on all esports, remember most people still see us as a bunch of nerds playing in the basement, we need to give a good impression, not a bad one. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/3/3f/Invasionesportlogo.jpeg/300px-Invasionesportlogo.jpeg) | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
Please, please, to whomever runs Invasion, please do not let the fans down. Our favourite players have been hurt before, and the last thing we want to see is another team hurting more favourites. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:51 Darkhorse wrote: Provided both teams are around next season one cant help but feel a little awkward when relatively unknown teams suddenly pick up good koreans, history has told us that. on the other hand, it worked out for mYi back then - lets give them a chance! | ||
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Cluster__
United States328 Posts
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On December 22 2014 06:37 Clonester wrote: Marlboro came in conflict with a European law.Marlboro payed from 2005 to 2011 1 billion dollar. Their logo got distingished from the car 2008, the "marlboro barcode" 2010. Their expended the contract till 2015 while they gain no visibality at all since 2011. 2011 ferrari rebranded their team from "scuderia ferrari marlboro" to "scuderia ferrari". They pay ALOT for no visability at all. Many people do that. Some just are rich fans who pay for something they like, some companys hope for contacts and contracts due to the sport and other just do it for whatever reason. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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ZandeSC2
Sweden23 Posts
 (( I want him into a solid clan, maybe TT1 or KT rolster.. :/ | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 22 2014 12:34 [SXG]Phantom wrote: No, it shouldn't be enough to trust them. Even if they pay their players and support them, they could still be a shady buisness. For example, lets say "X" team is funded by dirty money, money laundry for example, but "its alright" they pay they players, they take them to all the tournaments, the players are happy. then, people descover the truth, there is a scandal, the news cover it, team managers going to jail, the players are now teamless, sponsors withdraw some or all their support from some teams because they don't want to be involved in that "shady starcraft game", or even with esports in general cause they feel they could get bad press. And e-sports doesn't need any more scandals. Shady teams, even if they pay their players, aren't something people should accept. Now, im not saying this teamm in particular is money laundry, but it is strange, and we should all be careful. We can't jump to conclutions withouth any prove, but,if e-sports is to grow, we just can't go and say "i don't care if they are shady as long as they pay the teams" cause it could potentially backfire pretty badly on all esports, remember most people still see us as a bunch of nerds playing in the basement, we need to give a good impression, not a bad one. Who gives us a guarantee, that EG, Liquid, myi or mouz aren't a money laundry? Why is it just Invason? Because they are new and picked up koreans? Myi did the same with Stardust and and later Jjakji a while ago and look were they are now: One of Europes most respected teams in the SC2-scene. Ai was a pretty low-profile organisation and suddenly picked up Strelok, Patience and Golden within a few months, but everything went fine there as well. Ofc. sponsers don't like scandals, but if Invasion really wouldn't be legit, a scandal would occur anyway, regardless of what we write in here. However, I can't imagine, that sponsors are happy when people scream "SCAM, SCAM, SCAM" whenever their team is mentioned. And that is something, we have a very direct influence on. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 22 2014 23:47 Xoronius wrote: Who gives us a guarantee, that EG, Liquid, myi or mouz aren't a money laundry? Why is it just Invason? Because they are new and picked up koreans? Myi did the same with Stardust and and later Jjakji a while ago and look were they are now: One of Europes most respected teams in the SC2-scene. Ai was a pretty low-profile organisation and suddenly picked up Strelok, Patience and Golden within a few months, but everything went fine there as well. Ofc. sponsers don't like scandals, but if Invasion really wouldn't be legit, a scandal would occur anyway, regardless of what we write in here. However, I can't imagine, that sponsors are happy when people scream "SCAM, SCAM, SCAM" whenever their team is mentioned. And that is something, we have a very direct influence on. Because EG, liquid, mYi, etc have actual sponsors backing them. By actual sponsors I mean that I can go buy products from these sponsors to show my support, I know who runs these companies, etc. Money is serious business, and the hostility of some people towards guarantee-less teams like Invasion is not detrimental for the scene but perfectly legit, even wealthy. Ever noticed how TCM got no hate while being a new SC2 team who picked two Koreans? Because there were guarantees : their sponsors and their reputation. No one should be able to come in with no transparent money source and use it to make a team, even if one is legit and has actual money behind it, because it encourages real scammers to come in and do the same. And yeah the sponsor is probably not happy with us going full SCAM SCAM SCAM, but we don't even know who they are, so... | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 23 2014 00:16 Faust852 wrote: You know that the reason why Invasion can't show up its sponsor is because it's an alcohol business and they can't make advertisement out of alcohol stuff? A least that's what I heard recently. Yes, the Loi Évin prevents them from advertising alcohol products in France and with actual ads. However, it doesn't prevent them to advertise it when going to foreign events (unless Twitch doesn't like that too), to have the logo or even to have just something like "thanks to X for supporting us" on their website, or to give the name of their sponsor in an interview published on TL. Edit : and ofc you can find ways to hint at the sponsor without being explicit about it, by having a "true fake" logo or something along those lines. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 23 2014 00:41 OtherWorld wrote: Yes, the Loi Évin prevents them from advertising alcohol products in France and with actual ads. However, it doesn't prevent them to advertise it when going to foreign events (unless Twitch doesn't like that too), to have the logo or even to have just something like "thanks to X for supporting us" on their website, or to give the name of their sponsor in an interview published on TL. Edit : and ofc you can find ways to hint at the sponsor without being explicit about it, by having a "true fake" logo or something along those lines. When i recall correclty, it is forbidden to advertise in WCS and Blizzard sanctioned events for alcohol, porn or other R rated stuff. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On December 23 2014 00:47 Clonester wrote: When i recall correclty, it is forbidden to advertise in WCS and Blizzard sanctioned events for alcohol, porn or other R rated stuff. Ah yes I forgot that, that would make sense. Still doesn't change the interview/website thing though. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 23 2014 00:47 Clonester wrote: When i recall correclty, it is forbidden to advertise in WCS and Blizzard sanctioned events for alcohol, porn or other R rated stuff. Are you sure? Never heard about this... | ||
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PharaphobiaSC2
Czech Republic85 Posts
I will be the super negative guy until they will support their players for few months (living,pc, apartment thru practice)... almost anyone can pay for some cheap flight tickets... Don't forget it can stilll be bunch of ppl who won in a french lottery or something like that. And every other Korean on their roster just making their costs higher and higher, they all need to eat,sleep, practice somewhere and that costs the real money. Right now Invasion eSports is not an eSport team... its not even a real team.. just few good koreans together and few ppl I never heard about (except the maphacker LOL) Unless somebody from their leadership actually owns an alcoholic facility I don't understand where is all their income comming from? You don't really visit nearest company in your city and says "I wanna make a team full of expensive korean players, pls giev money" it doesn't work like that and it's incredibly hard to get some sponsorts with proper shoutouts and promotion.. @Invasion guys... proove us wrong finally it's about time, even I can pay for DRGs flight tickets myself... | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 23 2014 01:10 SuperHofmann wrote: Are you sure? Never heard about this... I am pretty shure. No R rated content is allowed to be advertised during WCS sanctioned events. This came up during the discussion about Youporn sponsoring E-sport. It is forbidden. The game is rated for +12 in Europe and Korea and I think +13 in the USA ( or? ) and Blizzard aims for that group. Thats why R-rated content is not allowed. And R-rated content is not allowed on twitch either ( and still alot stream with "booze" calling it applejuice. ) I think that the sponsors of Invasion hestitate to show their brand on the website or a modified logo because Blizzard could still outlaw them. Better show no connections at all or you risk that Invasion cant field their players at GSL, SSL, WCS and all Weekenders who give points. On December 23 2014 01:13 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote: Isn't there a thing that if you advance thru qualification IEM will payback your tickets? I will be the super negative guy until they will support their players for few months (living,pc, apartment thru practice)... almost anyone can pay for some cheap flight tickets... Don't forget it can stilll be bunch of ppl who won in a french lottery or something like that. And every other Korean on their roster just making their costs higher and higher, they all need to eat,sleep, practice somewhere and that costs the real money. Right now Invasion eSports is not an eSport team... its not even a real team.. just few good koreans together and few ppl I never heard about (except the maphacker LOL) Unless somebody from their leadership actually owns an alcoholic facility I don't understand where is all their income comming from? You don't really visit nearest company in your city and says "I wanna make a team full of expensive korean players, pls giev money" it doesn't work like that and it's incredibly hard to get some sponsorts with proper shoutouts and promotion.. @Invasion guys... proove us wrong finally it's about time, even I can pay for DRGs flight tickets myself... ESL pays only if you go through the qualifier. Invasions player played in the open bracked/dual tournament, where nothing is payed by the esl. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On December 22 2014 19:42 ZandeSC2 wrote: What will happend to "The king of wings" ?? When will we see him again? (( I want him into a solid clan, maybe TT1 or KT rolster.. :/this thread is about DRG not Mvp | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 23 2014 01:13 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote: Isn't there a thing that if you advance thru qualification IEM will payback your tickets? I will be the super negative guy until they will support their players for few months (living,pc, apartment thru practice)... almost anyone can pay for some cheap flight tickets... Don't forget it can stilll be bunch of ppl who won in a french lottery or something like that. And every other Korean on their roster just making their costs higher and higher, they all need to eat,sleep, practice somewhere and that costs the real money. Right now Invasion eSports is not an eSport team... its not even a real team.. just few good koreans together and few ppl I never heard about (except the maphacker LOL) Unless somebody from their leadership actually owns an alcoholic facility I don't understand where is all their income comming from? You don't really visit nearest company in your city and says "I wanna make a team full of expensive korean players, pls giev money" it doesn't work like that and it's incredibly hard to get some sponsorts with proper shoutouts and promotion.. @Invasion guys... proove us wrong finally it's about time, even I can pay for DRGs flight tickets myself... same opinion here. And then, if Blizzard doesn't allow to have an "alcholic sponsor", this is way more stupid for that company to be the Invasion's sponsor. I hope the best for all the korean guys. and I also hope that (if Invasion is a correct organization) to have more information about them. | ||
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budlight
United States6 Posts
On December 23 2014 01:13 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote: Isn't there a thing that if you advance thru qualification IEM will payback your tickets? I will be the super negative guy until they will support their players for few months (living,pc, apartment thru practice)... almost anyone can pay for some cheap flight tickets... Don't forget it can stilll be bunch of ppl who won in a french lottery or something like that. And every other Korean on their roster just making their costs higher and higher, they all need to eat,sleep, practice somewhere and that costs the real money. Right now Invasion eSports is not an eSport team... its not even a real team.. just few good koreans together and few ppl I never heard about (except the maphacker LOL) Unless somebody from their leadership actually owns an alcoholic facility I don't understand where is all their income comming from? You don't really visit nearest company in your city and says "I wanna make a team full of expensive korean players, pls giev money" it doesn't work like that and it's incredibly hard to get some sponsorts with proper shoutouts and promotion.. @Invasion guys... proove us wrong finally it's about time, even I can pay for DRGs flight tickets myself... I'm glad you can pay him a plane ticket, hotels, food, etc... ESL don't pay anything for players in open bracket. So basically they are paying their salary so far, their trips to tournaments but you are saying that their sponsors doesn't exist? so how can they afford to send 3 players and 2 managers from what i heard to an event in the USA, in 2 different cities for a week? People say it is money laundry i think they need to take some economics class to learn how that works because there are easier ways to do money laundry and to use sc2 as a money laundry i don't know how it would be possible since they only have a line up in sc2. If it was some bunch of people who won the lottery i think he would have shown his face to get fame and to be recognized in the community. I mean if you win at the lottery and you start building a team you want people to know it is you who is paying for all. plus people wouldn't be skeptical toward a team which is supported by someone who won at the lottery. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
Mvp is playing HOTS now. Invasion'Mvp sounds good. Invasion to get a HOTS team featuring Mvp? d: | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
But... MVPDRG :[ | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 23 2014 03:06 OtherWorld wrote: Mvp is playing HOTS now. Invasion'Mvp sounds good. Invasion to get a HOTS team featuring Mvp? d: Mvp still has his wrist issues and aslong he plays, aslong his wrist will stop him. He should just official retire before ruining his health forever. | ||
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Trogdor89
United States17 Posts
On December 23 2014 01:34 SuperHofmann wrote: same opinion here. And then, if Blizzard doesn't allow to have an "alcholic sponsor", this is way more stupid for that company to be the Invasion's sponsor. I hope the best for all the korean guys. and I also hope that (if Invasion is a correct organization) to have more information about them. Why wouldn't Blizzard want them to have an alcohol company as a sponsor? eSports will never come close to being taken as seriously as traditional sports until alcohol sponsors are more mainstream. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 23 2014 04:59 Trogdor89 wrote: Why wouldn't Blizzard want them to have an alcohol company as a sponsor? eSports will never come close to being taken as seriously as traditional sports until alcohol sponsors are more mainstream. That's what I don't understand. Its not like seeing an alcohol sponsor would make some random 18 year old kid want to drink, they will if they want to regardless. And I'd love to go to a bar and grab a drink of a company that sponsors a team I like if it wasn't too expensive | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 23 2014 05:15 chipmonklord17 wrote: That's what I don't understand. Its not like seeing an alcohol sponsor would make some random 18 year old kid want to drink, they will if they want to regardless. And I'd love to go to a bar and grab a drink of a company that sponsors a team I like if it wasn't too expensive Different Nation, different thoughts about alcohol: While we drink here beer and whine wis 16 and wodka with 18, you have to wear brown bags arround your can of beer and have to be 21 to go to a bar. Its just about Blizzards main target group is not 18-XX, it is 12-XX. 12 year olds tend to have alot of time and a good bunch of money due to their parents. Games like Passionstone, Heros and yes, Starcraft not only aim for the pros and adults, they go for 12 year olds to. You dont advertise alkohol to twelve year olds, parents could be mad. And in the US they can be really really mad. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Also, wouldn't the "champagne ceremony" of DH, would be also "ilegal" or bad? cause it promotes champagne? Nonsense. And yeah, maybe it isn't money laudry, but seriously, if you are a sponsor, and you give money for a team, you usually want something in return, you aren't a charity, you are a buissness, so if they cant say "we are X and we are sponsiring this guys", what else do you get? Do you think companies like nike, coca cola, etc etc would sponsor teams if they didn't get screen time? | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 23 2014 08:48 [SXG]Phantom wrote: And yeah, maybe it isn't money laudry, but seriously, if you are a sponsor, and you give money for a team, you usually want something in return, you aren't a charity, you are a buissness, so if they cant say "we are X and we are sponsiring this guys", what else do you get? Do you think companies like nike, coca cola, etc etc would sponsor teams if they didn't get screen time? That's the key point with Invasion. If they sponsor can't be show, why they sponsor Invasion? It is no-sense. | ||
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ETisME
12387 Posts
Drg deserves a solid team | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
Who cares? The players are getting paid, their travel is being paid, and they're going to tournaments. If you're not the one putting up the money, what difference does it make to you who is? | ||
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Neonico
France24 Posts
On December 22 2014 01:17 vult wrote: One things for sure, they definitely need to get a legit translator for their website. The grammar is terrible and hard to take seriously from an English-speaking standpoint. Let's hope this is legit. GL. Not really better from a French-speacking standpoint | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 23 2014 09:26 Circumstance wrote: Here's a question about the whole sponsorship thing that not enough people are considering: Who cares? The players are getting paid, their travel is being paid, and they're going to tournaments. If you're not the one putting up the money, what difference does it make to you who is? Maybe this might jog your memory. Stability/clarity/assurance are pretty key or stuff like this is easily replicated. Of course, it's good the players are getting money and support now, no doubt about it. For all we know even if the team does close the players could be paid fully and it will just be a short stint and no harm is done. There is no real way to know at this point unless something solid comes up. That said, I tried contacting invasion e-sports via email after sending them a tweet and didn't get a reply yet so who knows >.> | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On December 23 2014 18:06 -Kyo- wrote: Maybe this might jog your memory. Stability/clarity/assurance are pretty key or stuff like this is easily replicated. Of course, it's good the players are getting money and support now, no doubt about it. For all we know even if the team does close the players could be paid fully and it will just be a short stint and no harm is done. There is no real way to know at this point unless something solid comes up. That said, I tried contacting invasion e-sports via email after sending them a tweet and didn't get a reply yet so who knows >.> Well, considering that TOP's contract expired and he re-signed with them, it's pretty clear that they fulfilled their obligation to him. If Tails has, in some way, been shorted, there are plenty of outlets for him to announce that. As for your example, Quantic not only had known names listed as sponsors, Simon Boudreault had been failing to pay players in full before Hyun - Massan notably had to go pubilc before Quantic would give him what he was owed. There is no evidence of ANY improper behavior as of yet by Invasion or any representative thereof. People are getting hung up on a non-issue. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On December 22 2014 09:30 Xoronius wrote: Yes, poor guy, these days he has to join a team with twice as much Code-S players as KT. No, seriously, what is with all the negativity towards Invasion? They have payed the flights to San Jose for Gumiho, TOP and Super. Shouldn't that be enough to trust them for now? And with those players in the team (Again: Super and Gumiho are Code S and also qualified for SSL), the line-up is bad either. Korean star players have joined worse line-ups in the past. This is why I'm now starting to feel that they may be legitimate. That's quite an expense and it certainly makes them different from all the confirmed scam teams (LGYF for example) which never sent their players anywhere. | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
As for peoples concerns with sponsorship, yes, you'd feel more trusting and secure if you knew how much money there w as and where it was coming from, and even more secure if it was a business that was in operation and producing a steady, reliable profit that they can keep feeding Invasion eSport with. But that's not there in this case, and that's the end of the story. Work with what you've got. Stop derailing this thread for pages at a time while you back and forth about your fears like they're unique to you and nobody else is watching, least of all, the players themselves! Everything is going to be okay <3 | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:50 Faefae wrote: Better teamless than invasion i 2nd this | ||
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_r1_
France1 Post
On December 23 2014 19:38 JohnMatrix wrote: Where the money come from , there is no sponsor on the web page Take a better look at it  One of the sponsors name is cited. As said beforen the second one loves esport escpecially SCII and don't see any point in showing his name if it's certainly forbidden at some point. It's not a marketing operation for our sponsors. The second sponsor name as been put only to reassure you guys. (and yes NbImre, a 2 mens company can do more money than a 20 one... from far). Why a company will give "free" money/equipements? Same as "Why english famillies are paying to maintain soccer teams?" or "Why google pay for some crazy useless open source projects?" or even "Why people are subscribbing to twitch players streams?". Anyway, we took the grammar point for french as english. We will try to do better in the future. Today, we don't know if we want our website become a generalist esport "news" (as aAa or Millenium for example) or simply an invasion team events coverages. That's why it can look "weird" to your experts eyes: the long term goal hasn't been determined yet. Welcome to DRG. Our team players were strong past years... We are sure they will be stronger later. (Congratulations to Gumiho for his today performances) | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:54 739 wrote: So this shady team is getting bigger and bigger? Will be funny to see if it's really legit team or not. We have been though this so many times im just going to assume its not | ||
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