EPTExemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily.
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Socup
190 Posts
Exemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily. | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
On August 11 2014 22:37 guitarizt wrote: I've been out of the scene for over a year now and checked tl on a whim this morning. This was awesome to see! I've gotta see these games. You should watch the host swoon over Jaedong after his first match against Pet :D | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote: It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8? I hope you mean currently. Because he's definitely beaten a number of korean protoss in sc2 before. | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:24 The_Templar wrote: I hope you mean currently. Because he's definitely beaten a number of korean protoss in sc2 before. On ladder, sure. If you follow TESL, how many times did San and Daisy kick Sen's rear? I've already mentioned Parting. The day after Sen won the trophy, Hurricane proceeded to beat Sen again, to prove my point. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:52 Socup wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NCkkclG38 Exemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily. burrow play is a stylistic option that comes at the very high risk of losing banelings for free which is why it's not every-game standard acting as if it's some untapped resource that bumbling, incompetent zergs are just figuring out is just ignorant of the game | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On August 12 2014 02:04 twndomn wrote: On ladder, sure. If you follow TESL, how many times did San and Daisy kick Sen's rear? I've already mentioned Parting. The day after Sen won the trophy, Hurricane proceeded to beat Sen again, to prove my point. A point that is not that much a currency at best. We had enough great champions that was won by certain match-ups, and we end up loving them. Sen is a great player and one of the greatest non-Korean Starcraft players of all time, doubting his win won't change much of that. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
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Socup
190 Posts
On August 12 2014 04:56 brickrd wrote: burrow play is a stylistic option that comes at the very high risk of losing banelings for free which is why it's not every-game standard acting as if it's some untapped resource that bumbling, incompetent zergs are just figuring out is just ignorant of the game U wot m8? There is no option vs burrow banelings for Terran that is free. Use scan? No Mule. Tech to Raven? 200 gas for a detector that'll probably die to mutas. The same things T wants to do to Z is the same thing Z should be doing against T; creating threats which cost them money and degrade their build efficiency. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 12 2014 11:05 Socup wrote: U wot m8? There is no option vs burrow banelings for Terran that is free. Use scan? No Mule. Tech to Raven? 200 gas for a detector that'll probably die to mutas. The same things T wants to do to Z is the same thing Z should be doing against T; creating threats which cost them money and degrade their build efficiency. delaying mule mining is only a good trade if you're still able to win fights and not die. if terran doesn't step on the mines or cleans them all up quickly and then takes a good fight where you could have used 2, 4, 6, 8 extra banelings to hold, then you're just fighting at a lower army supply. same reason zvz pros dont always research burrow | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
On August 12 2014 07:31 digmouse wrote: A point that is not that much a currency at best. We had enough great champions that was won by certain match-ups, and we end up loving them. Sen is a great player and one of the greatest non-Korean Starcraft players of all time, doubting his win won't change much of that. I'm not doubting his win, I'm pointing out facts. Of course, I'm aware that Sen's the highest foreign underachiever in Starcraft ever since the Brood War era. As he got older, opportunities slipped away. He should've gotten that trophy from NASL when he ran into MC, but he didn't. As his career waned down, his weakness has gotten magnified. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On August 12 2014 19:20 Incognoto wrote: I think that with this, there's no more doubt in my mind that Sen is the best foreigner. I love Sen to death, but I think that statement is too narrow... Not saying he got lucky, but I will tell you this right now: All zergs in Taiwan (which means 7/8 Taiwanese players at Taiwan Open) have to be prepared to play ZvZ in Taiwan eSports League. Slam and Ian can almost consistently take a best of 7 vs. Sen to the 7th and final game. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On August 12 2014 20:15 BreAKerTV wrote: I love Sen to death, but I think that statement is too narrow... Not saying he got lucky, but I will tell you this right now: All zergs in Taiwan (which means 7/8 Taiwanese players at Taiwan Open) have to be prepared to play ZvZ in Taiwan eSports League. Slam and Ian can almost consistently take a best of 7 vs. Sen to the 7th and final game. So there are only zergs in Taiwan or something? ;p A big problem we have is that the Taiwanese clearly have good players, people are quick to dismiss though since they have little exposure in the west. So we aren't aware of all these good Taiwanese players. I would like to say that Sen is better than most occidental players, if not all of them. Taiwan's scene needs more foreign exposure. | ||
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Supdude
244 Posts
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
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wmb
Sweden282 Posts
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 12 2014 19:20 Incognoto wrote: I think that with this, there's no more doubt in my mind that Sen is the best foreigner. ^^ "best" ? nope i hope ur joking  he is amazing ... SOMETIMESother times he always misses to come out of any groupstages | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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