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Socup
Profile Joined June 2014
190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 14:53:17
August 11 2014 14:52 GMT
#101


Exemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily.
There's no reason blizzard can't release new units or fixes to a game without creating another costly "expansion" you've already paid 100$ for, unless they want to treadmill the gambler with future promises of "it gets better"
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
August 11 2014 15:20 GMT
#102
On August 11 2014 22:37 guitarizt wrote:
I've been out of the scene for over a year now and checked tl on a whim this morning. This was awesome to see! I've gotta see these games.

You should watch the host swoon over Jaedong after his first match against Pet :D
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 11 2014 15:24 GMT
#103
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?

I hope you mean currently. Because he's definitely beaten a number of korean protoss in sc2 before.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 17:06:27
August 11 2014 17:04 GMT
#104
On August 12 2014 00:24 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?

I hope you mean currently. Because he's definitely beaten a number of korean protoss in sc2 before.


On ladder, sure. If you follow TESL, how many times did San and Daisy kick Sen's rear? I've already mentioned Parting. The day after Sen won the trophy, Hurricane proceeded to beat Sen again, to prove my point.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 11 2014 19:56 GMT
#105
On August 11 2014 23:52 Socup wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NCkkclG38

Exemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily.

burrow play is a stylistic option that comes at the very high risk of losing banelings for free which is why it's not every-game standard

acting as if it's some untapped resource that bumbling, incompetent zergs are just figuring out is just ignorant of the game
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quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
August 11 2014 20:02 GMT
#106
ToT)Sen( fuck yeaaaaa!
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
August 11 2014 22:31 GMT
#107
On August 12 2014 02:04 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 00:24 The_Templar wrote:
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?

I hope you mean currently. Because he's definitely beaten a number of korean protoss in sc2 before.


On ladder, sure. If you follow TESL, how many times did San and Daisy kick Sen's rear? I've already mentioned Parting. The day after Sen won the trophy, Hurricane proceeded to beat Sen again, to prove my point.

A point that is not that much a currency at best. We had enough great champions that was won by certain match-ups, and we end up loving them. Sen is a great player and one of the greatest non-Korean Starcraft players of all time, doubting his win won't change much of that.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 11 2014 22:52 GMT
#108
nice sen! <3
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Socup
Profile Joined June 2014
190 Posts
August 12 2014 02:05 GMT
#109
On August 12 2014 04:56 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 23:52 Socup wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NCkkclG38

Exemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily.

burrow play is a stylistic option that comes at the very high risk of losing banelings for free which is why it's not every-game standard

acting as if it's some untapped resource that bumbling, incompetent zergs are just figuring out is just ignorant of the game


U wot m8? There is no option vs burrow banelings for Terran that is free. Use scan? No Mule. Tech to Raven? 200 gas for a detector that'll probably die to mutas. The same things T wants to do to Z is the same thing Z should be doing against T; creating threats which cost them money and degrade their build efficiency.
There's no reason blizzard can't release new units or fixes to a game without creating another costly "expansion" you've already paid 100$ for, unless they want to treadmill the gambler with future promises of "it gets better"
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 12 2014 02:33 GMT
#110
On August 12 2014 11:05 Socup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 04:56 brickrd wrote:
On August 11 2014 23:52 Socup wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NCkkclG38

Exemplifies why Zergs have been being lazy about their own options. Terrans never us ravens in TvZ, and pro zergs have never abused burrow to bait scans to reduce mules until recently, and those bane burrows are just as effective as widow mines, if not more so, since you can control them more easily.

burrow play is a stylistic option that comes at the very high risk of losing banelings for free which is why it's not every-game standard

acting as if it's some untapped resource that bumbling, incompetent zergs are just figuring out is just ignorant of the game


U wot m8? There is no option vs burrow banelings for Terran that is free. Use scan? No Mule. Tech to Raven? 200 gas for a detector that'll probably die to mutas. The same things T wants to do to Z is the same thing Z should be doing against T; creating threats which cost them money and degrade their build efficiency.

delaying mule mining is only a good trade if you're still able to win fights and not die. if terran doesn't step on the mines or cleans them all up quickly and then takes a good fight where you could have used 2, 4, 6, 8 extra banelings to hold, then you're just fighting at a lower army supply. same reason zvz pros dont always research burrow
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 08:56:17
August 12 2014 08:55 GMT
#111
On August 12 2014 07:31 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 02:04 twndomn wrote:
On August 12 2014 00:24 The_Templar wrote:
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?

I hope you mean currently. Because he's definitely beaten a number of korean protoss in sc2 before.


On ladder, sure. If you follow TESL, how many times did San and Daisy kick Sen's rear? I've already mentioned Parting. The day after Sen won the trophy, Hurricane proceeded to beat Sen again, to prove my point.

A point that is not that much a currency at best. We had enough great champions that was won by certain match-ups, and we end up loving them. Sen is a great player and one of the greatest non-Korean Starcraft players of all time, doubting his win won't change much of that.


I'm not doubting his win, I'm pointing out facts. Of course, I'm aware that Sen's the highest foreign underachiever in Starcraft ever since the Brood War era. As he got older, opportunities slipped away. He should've gotten that trophy from NASL when he ran into MC, but he didn't. As his career waned down, his weakness has gotten magnified.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 12 2014 10:20 GMT
#112
I think that with this, there's no more doubt in my mind that Sen is the best foreigner.
maru lover forever
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 11:15:53
August 12 2014 11:15 GMT
#113
On August 12 2014 19:20 Incognoto wrote:
I think that with this, there's no more doubt in my mind that Sen is the best foreigner.

I love Sen to death, but I think that statement is too narrow... Not saying he got lucky, but I will tell you this right now: All zergs in Taiwan (which means 7/8 Taiwanese players at Taiwan Open) have to be prepared to play ZvZ in Taiwan eSports League. Slam and Ian can almost consistently take a best of 7 vs. Sen to the 7th and final game.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 12 2014 17:21 GMT
#114
On August 12 2014 20:15 BreAKerTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 19:20 Incognoto wrote:
I think that with this, there's no more doubt in my mind that Sen is the best foreigner.

I love Sen to death, but I think that statement is too narrow... Not saying he got lucky, but I will tell you this right now: All zergs in Taiwan (which means 7/8 Taiwanese players at Taiwan Open) have to be prepared to play ZvZ in Taiwan eSports League. Slam and Ian can almost consistently take a best of 7 vs. Sen to the 7th and final game.


So there are only zergs in Taiwan or something? ;p

A big problem we have is that the Taiwanese clearly have good players, people are quick to dismiss though since they have little exposure in the west. So we aren't aware of all these good Taiwanese players.

I would like to say that Sen is better than most occidental players, if not all of them.

Taiwan's scene needs more foreign exposure.
maru lover forever
Supdude
Profile Joined August 2011
244 Posts
August 13 2014 03:42 GMT
#115
TESL was nicknamed ZESL due to the overwhelming Zerg representation.. so yeah, ZvZ is like a specialty of the TESL players.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 12:54:51
August 16 2014 12:54 GMT
#116
Nice victory! while it might not be the a playerlist comprised of the best, and a great bracket draw (which determines victors all the time) its nice to see sen win a major tournament, especially on his home turf!
wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 14:15:45
August 16 2014 14:15 GMT
#117
ToT)sen( is a baws?
Hi I'm the infamous wmb, Diamond 1 / Challenger Player.
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
August 17 2014 09:41 GMT
#118
GG WP LEGEND
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 20:43:17
August 18 2014 20:42 GMT
#119
so many koreans in tournament (TOP CLASS) and only 1 in top4 is amazing for taiwan

On August 12 2014 19:20 Incognoto wrote:
I think that with this, there's no more doubt in my mind that Sen is the best foreigner.


^^ "best" ? nope i hope ur joking he is amazing ... SOMETIMES
other times he always misses to come out of any groupstages
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
August 18 2014 21:18 GMT
#120
Oh yea Sen foreigner of Taiwan gogo!!
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heh
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