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Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
August 11 2014 00:52 GMT
#81
It's so nice to see Sen doing so well, he is such a great guy!.

Fighting~
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
August 11 2014 01:21 GMT
#82
Grats!!
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Coldviolet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States110 Posts
August 11 2014 01:36 GMT
#83
Congrats to Sen for winning TW tournament, but I really hoped he keeps this mood in a long run. 2 days later he couldn't even make it to playoffs in HongKong Tournament
Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
August 11 2014 01:42 GMT
#84
Sen and Mondragon were my favourite broodwar foreign players, glad to see Sen still smashing face.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 11 2014 01:45 GMT
#85
On August 11 2014 08:14 yido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 07:36 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 11 2014 07:05 yido wrote:
Are we that desperate to claim a victory that this tournament is a premiere win for foreigners?
This with G3 article seem to want to sensationalize everything instead of analyze and inform.

I guess it isn't a bad step, eSports needs to commercialize to become the large entity that we wished for. However, I do miss a less biased TL.


It's in the list of Premier Tournaments.
A foreigner won it.

Don't know what else you want, my friend.

Maybe winning more than 2 series against Koreans.
Or not have the brackets in a hilarious fashion.
Or a more reasonable race distribution.
Or have more players on the WCS ranking.


Seems you're just desperate to rain on Sen's parade.

Definition:

Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community.


Having the best players is debatable. Though I would think having 4 top 16 WCS players (Taeja, Hyun, Bomber, Jaedong), a veteran Zerg (Leenock) and a recent gsl semifinalist (TRUE) is decent enough. So on that alone it's a premiere win.

Also, none of the Koreans played more than 1 of their own either and Sen was the only person to play all 3 matchups. I don't see how racial distribution has anything to do with this. Should we say, "Screw MMA's gsl win"? He won the most imbalanced season of gsl ever, only playing 1 non-TvT match (that he lost).
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 11 2014 02:05 GMT
#86
Wow, Sen did it. Nice
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
August 11 2014 02:13 GMT
#87
1 Toss, 6 Terran, and 13 Zerg? Was this just by coincidence?
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 11 2014 02:16 GMT
#88
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 03:48:30
August 11 2014 03:45 GMT
#89
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
August 11 2014 04:08 GMT
#90
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?


Are you being purposefully dense? Or do you actually believe the BS that just came out of your fingertips?
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Supdude
Profile Joined August 2011
244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 04:24:30
August 11 2014 04:23 GMT
#91
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?


It's unfortunate none of the Korean Protoss players qualified, but I failed to see your point.

You seem to suggest that there is a conspiracy of sort by connecting something over which the organizer had no control (that none of the Korean Protoss qualified) with the fact that Sen cannot beat Korean Protoss (which is true). Unless you know that the organizer somehow fixed the qualification process, I don't see how you can claim it's not a coincidence...

TESL had no terrain player as far as I know, so I could see why they invited two Terrain players - because they knew they would only get Zerg and Protoss out of the Taiwanese side. I mean, if they didn't, there would be no Terrian player at all, making an even more racially imbalanced tournament.

If you want to gripe about the invites for Hyun and Jaedong and believe the organizer should have invited two Protoss players, that's fine... but to say it's not a coincidence is akin to saying that the organizer should be able to predict the results of the qualifier. And that's just not a logical argument.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 11 2014 05:22 GMT
#92
On August 11 2014 13:23 Supdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote:
On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote:
4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence.


It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8?


It's unfortunate none of the Korean Protoss players qualified, but I failed to see your point.

You seem to suggest that there is a conspiracy of sort by connecting something over which the organizer had no control (that none of the Korean Protoss qualified) with the fact that Sen cannot beat Korean Protoss (which is true). Unless you know that the organizer somehow fixed the qualification process, I don't see how you can claim it's not a coincidence...

TESL had no terrain player as far as I know, so I could see why they invited two Terrain players - because they knew they would only get Zerg and Protoss out of the Taiwanese side. I mean, if they didn't, there would be no Terrian player at all, making an even more racially imbalanced tournament.

If you want to gripe about the invites for Hyun and Jaedong and believe the organizer should have invited two Protoss players, that's fine... but to say it's not a coincidence is akin to saying that the organizer should be able to predict the results of the qualifier. And that's just not a logical argument.

pro starcraft fans are some of the most insane, paranoid people you will find on the internet

the ideas people come up with about match fixing and bracket fixing could get them regular guest spots on the alex jones show
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 11 2014 06:31 GMT
#93
On August 11 2014 04:07 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 01:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On August 10 2014 22:50 ChriS-X wrote:
is day[9]'s curse finally broken?

Only took 3 years.


What a perfect amount of time for the 3rd place curse

Moral of the story: Don't fuck with Day[9]
moo...for DRG
orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
August 11 2014 08:48 GMT
#94
Despite having to suffer through another year of boring and uninspiring seasons of WCS, I am actually stoked for the rest of 2014 and 2015. Foreigners are really closing the gap in terms of skill wise lately. Major, State, Snute and so many more able to go toe to toe with the Koreans!
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Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
August 11 2014 09:14 GMT
#95
omg this is great news
GO SEN!!!
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
August 11 2014 09:40 GMT
#96
I'm a little late to the party, but this is complete #LinSENity!
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yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
August 11 2014 11:41 GMT
#97
On August 11 2014 10:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 08:14 yido wrote:
On August 11 2014 07:36 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 11 2014 07:05 yido wrote:
Are we that desperate to claim a victory that this tournament is a premiere win for foreigners?
This with G3 article seem to want to sensationalize everything instead of analyze and inform.

I guess it isn't a bad step, eSports needs to commercialize to become the large entity that we wished for. However, I do miss a less biased TL.


It's in the list of Premier Tournaments.
A foreigner won it.

Don't know what else you want, my friend.

Maybe winning more than 2 series against Koreans.
Or not have the brackets in a hilarious fashion.
Or a more reasonable race distribution.
Or have more players on the WCS ranking.


Having the best players is debatable. Though I would think having 4 top 16 WCS players (Taeja, Hyun, Bomber, Jaedong), a veteran Zerg (Leenock) and a recent gsl semifinalist (TRUE) is decent enough. So on that alone it's a premiere win.

Also, none of the Koreans played more than 1 of their own either and Sen was the only person to play all 3 matchups. I don't see how racial distribution has anything to do with this. Should we say, "Screw MMA's gsl win"? He won the most imbalanced season of gsl ever, only playing 1 non-TvT match (that he lost).


I'm not saying they had none of the top players, but for a "premiere" tournament it is definitely one of the weakest this year. (Maybe couple IEMs were close like Sao Paulo). Most like ALL the WCS and majority of DreamHacks below it away by a mile. Even Destiny I and Dragon Open #4 has a better player pool.
Race distribution: So the one toss that was Has... ok.
Bracket: lol, if you choose to see Hyun only playing Koreans on his way up as a sign of the bracket being fair I guess I can't argue with you. I guess GlobeTrotters games aren't fixed either.
MMA GSL: he played against a much more competitive players in the most competitive sc2 tournament at the time. I don't see how a GSL could possibly compare to a Taiwan Open.

On August 11 2014 09:44 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 08:14 yido wrote:
On August 11 2014 07:36 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 11 2014 07:05 yido wrote:
Are we that desperate to claim a victory that this tournament is a premiere win for foreigners?
This with G3 article seem to want to sensationalize everything instead of analyze and inform.

I guess it isn't a bad step, eSports needs to commercialize to become the large entity that we wished for. However, I do miss a less biased TL.


It's in the list of Premier Tournaments.
A foreigner won it.

Don't know what else you want, my friend.

Maybe winning more than 2 series against Koreans.
Or not have the brackets in a hilarious fashion.
Or a more reasonable race distribution.
Or have more players on the WCS ranking.

not sure what bothers you so much about foreigner positivity. anyone can read the brackets and draw their own conclusions about the strength of the competition. "analyze and inform"? pro gaming is entertainment, man. let's be real, without hype and narratives no one would follow a bunch of teens and twentysomethings playing video games. if people want to be hype about moderately hard tournaments being taken by foreign players, what harm could possibly come to anyone from that?

i fail to see what anyone gains from this kind of backseat naysaying. it seems like negativity to no end or purpose other than shitting on others' enjoyment. feel free to rebut, though

Wow, you mad bro?
I said that it is a good step towards making eSports mainstream genius maybe try reading the entire post before flaming.
I watch to understand how the game works, keep up with the meta, and overall analyze and improve my game. If you are more focused on those aspects, the sensationalized articles gives a distorted reality which hinders real analysis.
lol, I guess desiring consistency looks like undeserved hate to you.

I don't have a problem with Sen winning, I think it is great that he won a big tournament after being out of the public eye for a while. I do have a problem with calling this tournament a "premiere tournament win for the foreigners".
gl hf
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 12:10:22
August 11 2014 12:08 GMT
#98
On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:
Wow, you mad bro?
no, but saying "you mad bro" in response to a calmly stated opinion ending with "feel free to rebut" says a lot about your intentions here


On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:I said that it is a good step towards making eSports mainstream genius maybe try reading the entire post before flaming.

i'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that you came into a thread about sen winning a tournament for the apparent purpose of denigrating people's positivity and hype about his win. again, the fact that you're calling me names, accusing me of "flaming"(???) and questioning my reading comprehension doesn't do a lot to refute my impression that you're here to shit on people's good time

On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:I watch to understand how the game works, keep up with the meta, and overall analyze and improve my game. If you are more focused on those aspects, the sensationalized articles gives a distorted reality which hinders real analysis.
what has been distorted about reality? the only thing called into question is the definition of a premier tournament, which is a valid line of debate which quite a few people have been openly discussing in this thread and other threads before. there's no conspiracy to hide the truth about anything here. distorting reality would be if the article said "sen smashed through korea's top terran, protoss and zerg players to claim one of the most prestigious trophies in the world" or something like that.

in my experience pretty much every tourney recap thread tries to build an emotional narrative about what happened, because if all you want to know is the builds and results you can go look at a bracket or live report thread or watch the vods. in this case the narrative was about a foreigner winning a premier tournament, because, guess what... a foreigner won a premier tournament

On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:I don't have a problem with Sen winning, I think it is great that he won a big tournament after being out of the public eye for a while. I do have a problem with calling this tournament a "premiere tournament win for the foreigners".
yet your tone is negative and accusatory, you seemed to have come in here to pick fights with people for being happy and celebrating his win. if you disagree with people's opinions that's fine, if you want to post dissent that's fine. but there's no need for the hostile tone considering that it's just entertainment and people are just celebrating and being happy
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yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
August 11 2014 13:34 GMT
#99
^This thread isn't "stroke Sen's ego", it is informing TLers about a "premiere tournament that was won by a foreigner so, I'm pretty sure it isn't against the forum rules to have a different opinion. Its not like I'm mass posting on his fan page about how he is a bad player. (which I don't think he is or ever said he is)

I don't see how I am calling you names boss. Just trying to tell you that I think that sensationalizing is a good step towards commercialization, I'm sure by your response you didn't get that part from my first post.
Why don't you try to argue from a logical point that FrostedMiniWheats is? I forgot TRUE was a GSL semi-finalist last season, and he made a good point about Sen facing Has as well.

If you want to read bunch of posts praising Sen, there is always his fanpage.
gl hf
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
August 11 2014 13:37 GMT
#100
I've been out of the scene for over a year now and checked tl on a whim this morning. This was awesome to see! I've gotta see these games.
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