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Rantech
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 11 2014 08:14 yido wrote: Maybe winning more than 2 series against Koreans. Or not have the brackets in a hilarious fashion. Or a more reasonable race distribution. Or have more players on the WCS ranking. Seems you're just desperate to rain on Sen's parade. Definition: Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Having the best players is debatable. Though I would think having 4 top 16 WCS players (Taeja, Hyun, Bomber, Jaedong), a veteran Zerg (Leenock) and a recent gsl semifinalist (TRUE) is decent enough. So on that alone it's a premiere win. Also, none of the Koreans played more than 1 of their own either and Sen was the only person to play all 3 matchups. I don't see how racial distribution has anything to do with this. Should we say, "Screw MMA's gsl win"? He won the most imbalanced season of gsl ever, only playing 1 non-TvT match (that he lost). | ||
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lichter
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twndomn
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On August 11 2014 11:16 lichter wrote: 4 invites, 4 qualified, 8 from TeSL. Taiwan is dominated by zergs, so it was 7 zerg 1 protoss from TeSL. Strangely, 4 zergs also advanced from the qualifiers. They also invited 2 other zergs in HyuN and Jaedong. It was a bizarre coincidence. It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8? | ||
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LongShot27
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On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote: It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8? Are you being purposefully dense? Or do you actually believe the BS that just came out of your fingertips? | ||
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Supdude
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On August 11 2014 12:45 twndomn wrote: It's Not bizarre coincidence at all. Sen cannot defeat Korean Protoss in SC2, plain and simple. Parting owned Sen plenty of times. Naturally only Korean T and Z got the invites. Sad for Korean Protoss like sOs failed in the qualifier. Hence, do you see any Korean Protoss in the top 8? It's unfortunate none of the Korean Protoss players qualified, but I failed to see your point. You seem to suggest that there is a conspiracy of sort by connecting something over which the organizer had no control (that none of the Korean Protoss qualified) with the fact that Sen cannot beat Korean Protoss (which is true). Unless you know that the organizer somehow fixed the qualification process, I don't see how you can claim it's not a coincidence... TESL had no terrain player as far as I know, so I could see why they invited two Terrain players - because they knew they would only get Zerg and Protoss out of the Taiwanese side. I mean, if they didn't, there would be no Terrian player at all, making an even more racially imbalanced tournament. If you want to gripe about the invites for Hyun and Jaedong and believe the organizer should have invited two Protoss players, that's fine... but to say it's not a coincidence is akin to saying that the organizer should be able to predict the results of the qualifier. And that's just not a logical argument. | ||
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brickrd
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On August 11 2014 13:23 Supdude wrote: It's unfortunate none of the Korean Protoss players qualified, but I failed to see your point. You seem to suggest that there is a conspiracy of sort by connecting something over which the organizer had no control (that none of the Korean Protoss qualified) with the fact that Sen cannot beat Korean Protoss (which is true). Unless you know that the organizer somehow fixed the qualification process, I don't see how you can claim it's not a coincidence... TESL had no terrain player as far as I know, so I could see why they invited two Terrain players - because they knew they would only get Zerg and Protoss out of the Taiwanese side. I mean, if they didn't, there would be no Terrian player at all, making an even more racially imbalanced tournament. If you want to gripe about the invites for Hyun and Jaedong and believe the organizer should have invited two Protoss players, that's fine... but to say it's not a coincidence is akin to saying that the organizer should be able to predict the results of the qualifier. And that's just not a logical argument. pro starcraft fans are some of the most insane, paranoid people you will find on the internet the ideas people come up with about match fixing and bracket fixing could get them regular guest spots on the alex jones show | ||
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neoghaleon55
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On August 11 2014 04:07 chipmonklord17 wrote: What a perfect amount of time for the 3rd place curse Moral of the story: Don't fuck with Day[9] | ||
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orllyfools
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Yiome
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Jacmert
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yido
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On August 11 2014 10:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Having the best players is debatable. Though I would think having 4 top 16 WCS players (Taeja, Hyun, Bomber, Jaedong), a veteran Zerg (Leenock) and a recent gsl semifinalist (TRUE) is decent enough. So on that alone it's a premiere win. Also, none of the Koreans played more than 1 of their own either and Sen was the only person to play all 3 matchups. I don't see how racial distribution has anything to do with this. Should we say, "Screw MMA's gsl win"? He won the most imbalanced season of gsl ever, only playing 1 non-TvT match (that he lost). I'm not saying they had none of the top players, but for a "premiere" tournament it is definitely one of the weakest this year. (Maybe couple IEMs were close like Sao Paulo). Most like ALL the WCS and majority of DreamHacks below it away by a mile. Even Destiny I and Dragon Open #4 has a better player pool. Race distribution: So the one toss that was Has... ok. Bracket: lol, if you choose to see Hyun only playing Koreans on his way up as a sign of the bracket being fair I guess I can't argue with you. I guess GlobeTrotters games aren't fixed either. MMA GSL: he played against a much more competitive players in the most competitive sc2 tournament at the time. I don't see how a GSL could possibly compare to a Taiwan Open. On August 11 2014 09:44 brickrd wrote: not sure what bothers you so much about foreigner positivity. anyone can read the brackets and draw their own conclusions about the strength of the competition. "analyze and inform"? pro gaming is entertainment, man. let's be real, without hype and narratives no one would follow a bunch of teens and twentysomethings playing video games. if people want to be hype about moderately hard tournaments being taken by foreign players, what harm could possibly come to anyone from that? i fail to see what anyone gains from this kind of backseat naysaying. it seems like negativity to no end or purpose other than shitting on others' enjoyment. feel free to rebut, though Wow, you mad bro? I said that it is a good step towards making eSports mainstream genius maybe try reading the entire post before flaming. I watch to understand how the game works, keep up with the meta, and overall analyze and improve my game. If you are more focused on those aspects, the sensationalized articles gives a distorted reality which hinders real analysis. lol, I guess desiring consistency looks like undeserved hate to you. I don't have a problem with Sen winning, I think it is great that he won a big tournament after being out of the public eye for a while. I do have a problem with calling this tournament a "premiere tournament win for the foreigners". | ||
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brickrd
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On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote: no, but saying "you mad bro" in response to a calmly stated opinion ending with "feel free to rebut" says a lot about your intentions hereWow, you mad bro? On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:I said that it is a good step towards making eSports mainstream genius maybe try reading the entire post before flaming. i'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that you came into a thread about sen winning a tournament for the apparent purpose of denigrating people's positivity and hype about his win. again, the fact that you're calling me names, accusing me of "flaming"(???) and questioning my reading comprehension doesn't do a lot to refute my impression that you're here to shit on people's good time On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:I watch to understand how the game works, keep up with the meta, and overall analyze and improve my game. If you are more focused on those aspects, the sensationalized articles gives a distorted reality which hinders real analysis. what has been distorted about reality? the only thing called into question is the definition of a premier tournament, which is a valid line of debate which quite a few people have been openly discussing in this thread and other threads before. there's no conspiracy to hide the truth about anything here. distorting reality would be if the article said "sen smashed through korea's top terran, protoss and zerg players to claim one of the most prestigious trophies in the world" or something like that.in my experience pretty much every tourney recap thread tries to build an emotional narrative about what happened, because if all you want to know is the builds and results you can go look at a bracket or live report thread or watch the vods. in this case the narrative was about a foreigner winning a premier tournament, because, guess what... a foreigner won a premier tournament On August 11 2014 20:41 yido wrote:I don't have a problem with Sen winning, I think it is great that he won a big tournament after being out of the public eye for a while. I do have a problem with calling this tournament a "premiere tournament win for the foreigners". yet your tone is negative and accusatory, you seemed to have come in here to pick fights with people for being happy and celebrating his win. if you disagree with people's opinions that's fine, if you want to post dissent that's fine. but there's no need for the hostile tone considering that it's just entertainment and people are just celebrating and being happy | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
I don't see how I am calling you names boss. Just trying to tell you that I think that sensationalizing is a good step towards commercialization, I'm sure by your response you didn't get that part from my first post. Why don't you try to argue from a logical point that FrostedMiniWheats is? I forgot TRUE was a GSL semi-finalist last season, and he made a good point about Sen facing Has as well. If you want to read bunch of posts praising Sen, there is always his fanpage. | ||
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guitarizt
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