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SalvatioN leaves Prime

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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 04 2014 10:36 GMT
#1


The Korean player is currently teamless and he's looking for a new team. He has a 2-6 record in Pro League.

Prime roster :
kr (P)Barbie
kr (T)ByuN
kr (P)Creator
kr (Z)DeParture
kr (Z)KassiA
us (P)State
kr (Z)TerrOr
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Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
August 04 2014 10:39 GMT
#2
Sucks for Prime T_T I hope a team picks him up, he has shown really sick play and I think he has a ton of potential
Maru | MMA | Ryung | MKP | NaDa | BoxeR | FOREVER SLAYERS
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
August 04 2014 10:41 GMT
#3
RIP Prime :-( GL to SalvatioN
Vasacast always in my <3
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 04 2014 10:41 GMT
#4
He was doing so well TT

Basically no terrans left now
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 04 2014 10:41 GMT
#5
On August 04 2014 19:41 SuperHofmann wrote:
RIP Prime :-( GL to SalvatioN

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
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Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-04 10:42:34
August 04 2014 10:41 GMT
#6
Hope he finds a new team because I feel like this guy could become the new MKP.
#1 Bomber fan | Jin Air best KT
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
August 04 2014 10:43 GMT
#7
On August 04 2014 19:41 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 19:41 SuperHofmann wrote:
RIP Prime :-( GL to SalvatioN

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463991-prime-has-a-new-main-sponsor-ktc

No, Prime dead naow!
WTCO
Profile Joined September 2013
United States646 Posts
August 04 2014 10:44 GMT
#8
What's the point of a new sponsor when Creator's the only decent player left on your team? :/
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 04 2014 10:44 GMT
#9
On August 04 2014 19:44 WTCO wrote:
What's the point of a new sponsor when Creator's the only decent player left on your team? :/


maybe they'll like, recruit some players or something.
KOtical
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany451 Posts
August 04 2014 10:45 GMT
#10
On August 04 2014 19:44 WTCO wrote:
What's the point of a new sponsor when Creator's the only decent player left on your team? :/


maybe they will pick some of the free agents... MvP.Prime sounds good for me ^^
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 04 2014 10:45 GMT
#11
Awww I thought he had potential :/
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
andoRRR
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany36 Posts
August 04 2014 10:47 GMT
#12
DRGPrime! Or they simply pick up all the good pl players from last season that left MVP,
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
August 04 2014 10:47 GMT
#13
On August 04 2014 19:45 GumBa wrote:
Awww I thought he had potential :/


I thought so too, hopefully he doesn't retire and instead finds a new team!
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 04 2014 10:48 GMT
#14
Yeah kinda strange.. He was one of the better rookies I thought.

Certainly showed more potential than Terror. :/
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
August 04 2014 10:48 GMT
#15
On August 04 2014 19:44 WTCO wrote:
What's the point of a new sponsor when Creator's the only decent player left on your team? :/

Uh, how could you forget BarbiePrime? I think they will be rebuilding Prime around her.
Trius
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine273 Posts
August 04 2014 11:00 GMT
#16
On August 04 2014 19:47 andoRRR wrote:
DRGPrime! Or they simply pick up all the good pl players from last season that left MVP,

SuperPrime? I like it
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
August 04 2014 11:06 GMT
#17
Aw kid showed potential in PL, hope he finds a new team soon!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 04 2014 11:22 GMT
#18
Is Byun still playing? Because I think this is the end of the glorious Terran history of Prime (which began with Maka, Maru and Marineking).
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 04 2014 11:26 GMT
#19
Good for him, he should be able to get a good team now.




"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
August 04 2014 11:33 GMT
#20
On August 04 2014 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote:
Is Byun still playing? Because I think this is the end of the glorious Terran history of Prime (which began with Maka, Maru and Marineking).


Don't forget Polt! I don't get why they list Byun on their roster?
I pretty sure Byun hasn't played a single match in months and hasn't show up in any online qualifiers in over a year.
Sad for Salvation, that one TvT made me an instant fan.
gl hf
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
August 04 2014 11:46 GMT
#21
On August 04 2014 19:45 KOtical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 19:44 WTCO wrote:
What's the point of a new sponsor when Creator's the only decent player left on your team? :/


maybe they will pick some of the free agents... MvP.Prime sounds good for me ^^


they should check out that marineking guy
wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
August 04 2014 11:48 GMT
#22
he shud join a good team now! Hope he finds one fast!
Hi I'm the infamous wmb, Diamond 1 / Challenger Player.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
August 04 2014 11:52 GMT
#23
There's something I don't quite get. Prime gets a new sponsor, one who even pays them ! So everything's great and all, but yet MKP and SalvatioN leave the team ? Doesn't seem to add up.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
August 04 2014 12:08 GMT
#24
Maybe sponsor wants to take the team in a different direction, some new games ? Or the guys that left thought they deserve more.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 04 2014 12:14 GMT
#25
Maybe Prime has to be dedicated towards Pro League witht he new Sponsor, which means they have quite some time to prepare and then they'll buy Flash, TY, Maru and rebuild Maka.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
August 04 2014 12:19 GMT
#26
On August 04 2014 21:14 FeyFey wrote:
Maybe Prime has to be dedicated towards Pro League witht he new Sponsor, which means they have quite some time to prepare and then they'll buy Flash, TY, Maru and rebuild Maka.


lol. This would be incredible
Jaedong <3
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
August 04 2014 12:39 GMT
#27
On August 04 2014 20:52 LoneYoShi wrote:
There's something I don't quite get. Prime gets a new sponsor, one who even pays them ! So everything's great and all, but yet MKP and SalvatioN leave the team ? Doesn't seem to add up.


In the case of MarineKing it makes some sense if you look at it from another point of view. MarineKing has been on Prime for 4 years, he has been trough a lot with his team, but maybe he just really needs a change of some sort. Prime isn't a bad team, but maybe its no longer what MarineKing needs, it was hinted he might be going the way of Bomber and will try to participate in as many foreign tournaments as possible before he retires. Prime isn't suited to that kind of an activity.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
August 04 2014 12:46 GMT
#28
#HaveyouseenByun
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10084 Posts
August 04 2014 13:07 GMT
#29
at least we have ByuN
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 04 2014 13:10 GMT
#30
On August 04 2014 20:33 yido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote:
Is Byun still playing? Because I think this is the end of the glorious Terran history of Prime (which began with Maka, Maru and Marineking).


Don't forget Polt! I don't get why they list Byun on their roster?
I pretty sure Byun hasn't played a single match in months and hasn't show up in any online qualifiers in over a year.
Sad for Salvation, that one TvT made me an instant fan.


Probably because there's some issue that might not have been announced yet? Ever thought of that before saying what you've said? Just because a player doesn't show up for any team events or participate in qualifiers doesn't mean he's off the team, just means he might be having some issues.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 04 2014 13:43 GMT
#31
Never forget

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Rikudou
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany151 Posts
August 04 2014 14:47 GMT
#32
The Korean player is currently teamless and he's looking for a new team. He has a 2-6 record in Pro League.

Prime roster :
kr (P)Barbie
kr (T)ByuN
kr (P)Creator
kr (Z)DeParture
kr (Z)KassiA
us (P)State
kr (Z)TerrOr


oh you probably mean this:
kr (P)Barbie
kr (P)Creator
kr (Z)DeParture
kr (Z)KassiA
us (P)State
Is this real Life? No, it's StartaleLife!!!
Pandahunterz
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands213 Posts
August 04 2014 14:51 GMT
#33
with byun missing, only creator left, they better start finding some new players soon/get their current players to perform better or they are dead, no matter the new sponsor (prime never dies, but don't see much success in their teamgames)
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
August 04 2014 14:54 GMT
#34
Does Prime still have a LoL team?
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 04 2014 14:55 GMT
#35
On August 04 2014 23:47 Rikudou wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Korean player is currently teamless and he's looking for a new team. He has a 2-6 record in Pro League.

Prime roster :
kr (P)Barbie
kr (T)ByuN
kr (P)Creator
kr (Z)DeParture
kr (Z)KassiA
us (P)State
kr (Z)TerrOr


oh you probably mean this:
kr (P)Barbie
kr (P)Creator
kr (Z)DeParture
kr (Z)KassiA
us (P)State

Pretty sure TerrOr is still on the team
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
August 04 2014 15:01 GMT
#36
On August 04 2014 22:07 Topin wrote:
at least we have ByuN

ByuN is alive?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 04 2014 15:34 GMT
#37
If they continue to lose player, they might have to play Barbie in Proleague.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
TheFlock
Profile Joined September 2011
United States389 Posts
August 04 2014 15:38 GMT
#38
im sad for SalvatioN :/ I wonder if we will ever know why he isnt on Prime anymore. I never thought i would hear that Prime needs more Terrans... Hopefully this means that ByuN actually has to play now since he is the only one left! They will have to pick up at least one more though, I wonder who it will be
Maru | DeMusliM | TLO
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
August 04 2014 15:45 GMT
#39
If they continue to lose player, they might have to play Barbie in Proleague.


Can't be worse than TerrOr. -- Wolf
Anlo
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden485 Posts
August 04 2014 15:49 GMT
#40
Barbie and State to carry this season.
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
August 04 2014 19:37 GMT
#41
On August 04 2014 22:10 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2014 20:33 yido wrote:
On August 04 2014 20:22 JustPassingBy wrote:
Is Byun still playing? Because I think this is the end of the glorious Terran history of Prime (which began with Maka, Maru and Marineking).


Don't forget Polt! I don't get why they list Byun on their roster?
I pretty sure Byun hasn't played a single match in months and hasn't show up in any online qualifiers in over a year.
Sad for Salvation, that one TvT made me an instant fan.


Probably because there's some issue that might not have been announced yet? Ever thought of that before saying what you've said? Just because a player doesn't show up for any team events or participate in qualifiers doesn't mean he's off the team, just means he might be having some issues.

Apparently it has been known that he is having health issues. (just found out)
lol, I do think about what I write. Ever think about not being such a passive aggressive person?
I don't get how you could possibly think I was writing something to insult Byun. But just to clarify I wasn't.
gl hf
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 05 2014 00:24 GMT
#42
i love how byun's id is still there
rip prime
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 05 2014 00:28 GMT
#43
Streaming more and being more active = searching for foreign team, mayhaps?
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
DethAdder
Profile Joined September 2010
United States164 Posts
August 05 2014 00:49 GMT
#44
I don't get why they still list barbie as a player. She seems to be employed as an interviewer for kespa now and has only had a couple of token throwaway appearances in gstl that I've ever seen. Guess being the coach's gf gets you on the player list.
"When there's no privacy, seperate will never be seen. Attached at the hip to me"-CKY
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
August 05 2014 01:07 GMT
#45
I really liked the guy.
The heart's eternal vow
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 14 2014 12:10 GMT
#46
On August 05 2014 09:49 DethAdder wrote:
I don't get why they still list barbie as a player. She seems to be employed as an interviewer for kespa now and has only had a couple of token throwaway appearances in gstl that I've ever seen. Guess being the coach's gf gets you on the player list.


She was involved in a scandal because she droppped out a qualifier (she pulled a naniwa..) a forfeit ! Taht's the word i was looking for in a WCS qualifier i think (or seomthing like that).

So she's still playing apparently
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
August 14 2014 12:59 GMT
#47
(Z)DeParture joins, but (T)SalvatioN leaves. Hopefully they stay away from (T)Apocalypse.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 14 2014 13:03 GMT
#48
On August 14 2014 21:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
(Z)DeParture joins, but (T)SalvatioN leaves. Hopefully they stay away from (T)Apocalypse.

DeParture left for MVP too
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