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no doubt that,
taeja is top tier terran...
only a weekend warrior...
a good preparation wins...
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On July 07 2014 08:14 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 08:08 Musicus wrote:On July 07 2014 07:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 07:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 07 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 06:19 LightSpectra wrote:
this enduring myth that Taeja's win rates are solely against Korean B-teamers and foreigners is preposterous to the max. He has a positive win ratio against something like 30 out of 32 of the players in last season's Code S.
The reason why he hasn't won any WCSs yet is because SC2 is so volatile. It only takes one scrappy series of build order losses to get eliminated, or one groggy day where you don't get enough sleep to make game-losing blunders. And that's not a criticism of the game, I mean even in BW, Flash was once knocked out of the OSL at the peak of his skill by Kal and Hyuk. SC2 and BW aren't games where good intellectual preparation is all you need to win. In what tournament is he playing 30 out of the 32 Code S players? I'm really curious. In the last 3 months, the only Code S players he has played against are Innovation and Symbol (Symbol isn't even in Code S anymore btw, he got 1-4ed out of his group in the RO32). He lost twice to Symbol and traded series 1-1 with Innovation. To find wins against actual Code S players you need to go back even further than that to Katowice where he beat Life, but lost to sOs. He got 4-0ed by Ragnarok in the King of Iron in March... I'm still trawling back to 2013 in order to find him actually beating Code S players (which was mostly Life and a BO3 against sOs at Dreamhack Winter 2013). If you want to count the last few years of performance then sure, he probably has a positive record against some of those players but a quick look at Aligulac records demonstrates nicely that Taeja is not actually competing against Code S players very often and when he does, it doesn't go well for him on average. For anyone else this wouldn't be a criticism but Taeja is heralded as one of the best Terrans in the world, and when he has that kind of praise behind him these kinds of criticisms are warranted. He just does not compete against other GSL quality pros enough and he's good enough that he should. It's not so much a criticism of Taeja as it is of the people that claim he is a tip-top Code S class Terran when there isn't really any recent evidence to support it. He obviously CAN be that quality, I mean he was back when he played Code S but that was a year ago. I would love to see him compete regularly against Code-S quality players. Wouldn't something like "Code S Challenge" be a nice idea for a showmatch series, where the best players from foreign torunaments compete in bo7/9 against current Code S players  ?. Taeja/Polt/Stardust/Jaedong etc. vs a Code S player like once a month, I would watch that so hard. Isn't that the WCS Finals? :D
Truth right there. Hahaha.
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On July 07 2014 08:47 Waise wrote:
pigbaby played incredible against taeja. i didn't see any fan reactions, but i can infer that there was a lot of protoss amove BM, which saddens me. great upset, i don't understand why people hate upsets in SC2 so much
Agreed^^
Just watched the VODs a few hours ago, Pigbaby played the player and he came out on top because of it.
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It's simple, there hasn't been any 1st or 2nd tier Koean Protoss player in WCS AM until this season. At least in WCS EU has a number of them for many seasons. This makes players like Taeja, Polt or Bomber very untrained againts high level Korean protoss players. Especially with the skill level Protoss players are showing these days.
I could see it a mile away that Polt was going to have a hard time versus Trap on the MLG final. I though Taeja was different, but I was wrong.
That being said though, Scarlett once said at HSC Cup after beating Taeja in first series round that Taeja is really good when he's on form, much like a stimmed marine I think Taeja stim was finished for now.
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The news is not so much Taeja lost - the true news is how Pigbaby played. I have never seen that style of play that Pigbaby used, I mean take a 3rd base and not take gas? As Protoss that is insane...
I see people saying he prepared for Taeja, yes that is true but he played a similar style against Heart too...it is just Pigbaby's style v T.
I mean not even Rain plays soooo safe. I play random - but I love Terran the most, but It is hard not admire that series played by Pigbaby. 7 Observer rush. LoL
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even the amazing taeja fell for the unstoppable protoss force, RIP for our terrans. seriously though sad to see teaja fall so early on in the tournament. expected him to get at least to the semis. excited to see how pigbaby won those games, especially that comback vs bomber
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On July 07 2014 06:37 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:37 nimdil wrote:On July 07 2014 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
He's terrific at farming money off of foreigners but when you put him against players at or above his tier and he doesn't look nearly as dominant. You realize that he is behind Leenock and HerO in this regard so not exactly terrific. Leenock and HerO are never specifically mentioned when people discuss who the best players of their given race are.
At some point they were, although they never were number 1 choice. However that doesn't matter because you said he is "terrific at farming money" while he is outfarmed by - for example - both Leenock and HerO.
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On July 07 2014 08:08 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 07:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 07:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 07 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 06:19 LightSpectra wrote:
this enduring myth that Taeja's win rates are solely against Korean B-teamers and foreigners is preposterous to the max. He has a positive win ratio against something like 30 out of 32 of the players in last season's Code S.
The reason why he hasn't won any WCSs yet is because SC2 is so volatile. It only takes one scrappy series of build order losses to get eliminated, or one groggy day where you don't get enough sleep to make game-losing blunders. And that's not a criticism of the game, I mean even in BW, Flash was once knocked out of the OSL at the peak of his skill by Kal and Hyuk. SC2 and BW aren't games where good intellectual preparation is all you need to win. In what tournament is he playing 30 out of the 32 Code S players? I'm really curious. In the last 3 months, the only Code S players he has played against are Innovation and Symbol (Symbol isn't even in Code S anymore btw, he got 1-4ed out of his group in the RO32). He lost twice to Symbol and traded series 1-1 with Innovation. To find wins against actual Code S players you need to go back even further than that to Katowice where he beat Life, but lost to sOs. He got 4-0ed by Ragnarok in the King of Iron in March... I'm still trawling back to 2013 in order to find him actually beating Code S players (which was mostly Life and a BO3 against sOs at Dreamhack Winter 2013). If you want to count the last few years of performance then sure, he probably has a positive record against some of those players but a quick look at Aligulac records demonstrates nicely that Taeja is not actually competing against Code S players very often and when he does, it doesn't go well for him on average. For anyone else this wouldn't be a criticism but Taeja is heralded as one of the best Terrans in the world, and when he has that kind of praise behind him these kinds of criticisms are warranted. He just does not compete against other GSL quality pros enough and he's good enough that he should. It's not so much a criticism of Taeja as it is of the people that claim he is a tip-top Code S class Terran when there isn't really any recent evidence to support it. He obviously CAN be that quality, I mean he was back when he played Code S but that was a year ago. I would love to see him compete regularly against Code-S quality players. Wouldn't something like "Code S Challenge" be a nice idea for a showmatch series, where the best players from foreign torunaments compete in bo7/9 against current Code S players ?. Taeja/Polt/Stardust/Jaedong etc. vs a Code S player like once a month, I would watch that so hard.
It's a nice idea, but as has been discussed, the format will highly determine the performance of the players (weekend format = weekend warriors win; brackets known in advance format = Kespa wins). Which means you cannot draw conclusions on "are foreign-koreans Code S level or not?".
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Souldn't this headline get a spoiler tag? It kinda gives away the result 
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On July 07 2014 06:19 LightSpectra wrote:
this enduring myth that Taeja's win rates are solely against Korean B-teamers and foreigners is preposterous to the max. He has a positive win ratio against something like 30 out of 32 of the players in last season's Code S.
The reason why he hasn't won any WCSs yet is because SC2 is so volatile. It only takes one scrappy series of build order losses to get eliminated, or one groggy day where you don't get enough sleep to make game-losing blunders. And that's not a criticism of the game, I mean even in BW, Flash was once knocked out of the OSL at the peak of his skill by Kal and Hyuk. SC2 and BW aren't games where good intellectual preparation is all you need to win.
The New Jersey Nets went 4-0 against the Miami Heat in the regular season then lost 1-4 in the playoffs. The only win came from them shooting insanely hot from 3-point range.
Some players are just better at more "regular season" type settings than in playoff settings. Just because somebody has a positive record against players in a regular season setting doesn't mean they will be as good in a playoff setting.
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PigBaby for champion ! Now we need only WCS EU to be dominated by KespA players !
*opens a door and shout in the back : "You hear that ByuN ?* *close the door*
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I don't understand...
Pigbaby won by building a lot of observers right? Why didn't Taeja just punish his lack of colossi?
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On July 07 2014 23:49 sharkie wrote:
I don't understand...
Pigbaby won by building a lot of observers right? Why didn't Taeja just punish his lack of colossi?
Because observers are stronger than colossi. There was nothing to punish.
That's today's lesson: build less colossi, Terran likes when you build colossi.
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EPT
