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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
June 04 2014 20:22 GMT
#341
Hahaha this thread.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
June 04 2014 20:22 GMT
#342
On June 05 2014 04:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 04:52 Thalandros wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:40 SirPinky wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:29 Zealously wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:26 SirPinky wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:12 Zealously wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:54 SirPinky wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:10 xuanzue wrote:
[quote]

I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money.

esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever.


I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table.

Kim Phan has explicitly said that Blizzard does not run WCS with the hope of any profit


Profit versus exposure and strategic partnerships are very different things.


No, she explicitly said any potential benefits are secondary. There may still be exposure to be had, but it's not the reason WCS exists.


Then somehow I find that statement hard to believe. I doubt this expense shows up under the "Donations" section of the Blizzard/Activision P&L as well as Letter to Shareholders and public filing. And, instead, is a marketing expense. I don't see a company like Blizzard being altruistic and "saving" esports by donating millions of dollars. I don't think their shareholders would appreciate something like this without a return. So, again, I find that statement hard to believe without an ulterior motive. Seems like "we put the gamers first" is a nice spin people want to believe.


And now the reality.

Mike Morhaime really loves Starcraft, even if SC2 is the red-headed stepchild of Blizzard (ie. the game that isn't making them any money). He as CEO, has the clout to make WCS happen. Where the expense is written off doesn't matter. Calling something a "marketing expense" does not magically make it cost no dollars, nor does it guarantee a profit. WCS is of course just a fraction of Blizzards total outgoing costs.


Blizzcon is another thing Blizz does that obviously doesn't make them money (maybe with the DirectTV subscriptions but definitely not before it) that they do just because they can and because they like doing it.

Blizzard isn't an evil corporation, I get fed up with some of the shit they do just as much as the next guy. But WCS is a perfect example of something that EA or Activision would never do because they are companies that really do only care about the money.



Blizzcon is all about hype, revealing, and promotion. promotion promotion promotion. How many times have they revealed (and got us excited about) GIGANTIC things? Game expansions (MoP if I remember correctly being the last one) A lot of HearthStone stuff, Heart of the Swarm stuff and entire games like Heroes of the Storm. Seriously. Blizzcon is a big goldmine in terms of promotion and getting their products in the spotlight.


There are much less expensive ways of promoting their games and putting out news about upcoming stuff than Blizzcon.

Have you ever actually been to Blizzcon? It's MASSIVE! It must cost them a fucking fortune to do it.

Promotional Goldmine or not, they don't need to go as all out as they do every year. They do that for the fanbase, it's hard to really argue otherwise once you've actually been there.

The pros outweigh the con(sts) for them in this case, no matter how big the event may be. Keeping your fans satisfied is also worth money in a lot of cases, remember. They don't either, they skipped a year a year ago for no real ''real'' reason except not really having anything to show/busy working on stuff, so yeah. Of course it costs WAY more than it could, but this is what the brand stands for. Blizzard fans are passionate and this is just helping them keep that passion alive. (Not saying that Blizzard isn't awesome and NOT doing for the fans, but there's big benefits for them at Blizzcon aswell.)
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
TmzZ666
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland144 Posts
June 04 2014 20:22 GMT
#343
On June 05 2014 05:13 Waxangel wrote:
the lesson we learned today is that canadians get screwed because they are too nice


sorry but i've met lately one canadian person and he wasnt so nice,
to specify i must admit he was half polish so that explains it
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 20:23:43
June 04 2014 20:22 GMT
#344
On June 05 2014 05:15 PesteNoire wrote:
So after all this, it looks like Major was right to complain as now they found out he gets up to 1k for travel.


Not really. If he'd read the rule book he would have known he has 1k, and wouldn't have needed to throw a tantrum. Also $500 for Canada... I don't think that rule has ever been applied, so we'll have to wait for season 3 to see if we get drama over it.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
June 04 2014 20:23 GMT
#345
On June 05 2014 05:13 Waxangel wrote:
the lesson we learned today is that canadians get screwed because they are too nice


free healthcare ^^ usa guys think they all rich cause they can afford to keep all fingers after an accident and dont have to choose which they can afford xD
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
June 04 2014 20:24 GMT
#346
On June 05 2014 05:19 kaykoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 05:16 Kasaraki wrote:
Haha, this thread title is gold. It's nice to see some things never change, like TB getting into arguments with people, and Major making a fool of himself.


Yep, lets ignore the fact that ESL admins had misinformed MajOr on the amount and that TB didn't make a fool of himself by arguing with a "fool"

What's that saying again?

I think the saying goes: "Read the documentation you've been given"
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 04 2014 20:25 GMT
#347
TT Faith thread got shutdown
Zest fanboy.
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
June 04 2014 20:25 GMT
#348
On June 05 2014 05:22 TmzZ666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 05:13 Waxangel wrote:
the lesson we learned today is that canadians get screwed because they are too nice


sorry but i've met lately one canadian person and he wasnt so nice,
to specify i must admit he was half polish so that explains it


As a Polish Canadian, I'm deeply offended
why?
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
June 04 2014 20:26 GMT
#349
On June 05 2014 05:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 05:15 PesteNoire wrote:
So after all this, it looks like Major was right to complain as now they found out he gets up to 1k for travel.


Not really. If he'd read the rule book he would have known he has 1k, and wouldn't have needed to throw a tantrum. Also $500 for Canada... I don't think that rule has ever been applied, so we'll have to wait for season 3 to see if we get drama over it.

Well he did talk with an admin. Even then, I don't think anyone is denying that Major could have handled this significantly better, but hey, problem is solved now, so we should all go on our with drama-obsessed lives!

Pls close thread, pls...
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 04 2014 20:28 GMT
#350
I love this thread
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ZachFreeman
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia484 Posts
June 04 2014 20:28 GMT
#351
Oh dear.
GIVE ME COMMAND
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
June 04 2014 20:28 GMT
#352
Well it was fun as long as it lasted. This thread will be remembered and I am applauding the title change .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
June 04 2014 20:36 GMT
#353
On June 05 2014 05:02 ProBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 04:53 JohnChoi wrote:
On June 05 2014 04:47 ProBot wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:01 digmouse wrote:
On June 05 2014 01:55 sharkie wrote:
Sorry, but this just sucks by blizzard...
you cant just say all NA players get 500 and all non NA get 1k - thats unprofessional

I am sure there are places in NA where it costs more than 500 to go to LA...

God damn it paying more for ppl flying from the other globe is "unprofessional"? There is a common sense called "estimated cost" when running business and doing cost plans. Paying 1000$ for Korea and China is not enough and 500$ for Mexico is more than enough. In the end Koreans and Chinese end up paying more out of their/their team's own.

http://www.orbitz.com/flights/from-Mexico_City-to-Los_Angeles.o30682.d4309/
http://flights.expedia.com/flights-from-mexico-city-to-los-angeles-mex-to-lax/
Just see those numbers yourselves jesus.


You do realize the prices listed aren't after tax, airport fee's and are 1 way ....... Don't try and chastise someone using shit information. Just makes you look like a dumbass.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/451890-major-to-forfeit-wcs-ro16-participation?page=3#57
lol


:D I'm not disagreeing that it's not possible to get flights within $500 .... dude just used shit examples.

his examples were round trip. I think you wouldve known that if you clicked both links. they were fine examples and gave a very good estimate on the total flight cost (including taxes!) of a roundtrip from Mexico City to Los Angeles.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 04 2014 20:39 GMT
#354
What a journey this was.
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 20:41:08
June 04 2014 20:40 GMT
#355
even TL is against canadians, im outta here, fucking racists

edit: I wish I was mexican
B-rye88
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada168 Posts
June 04 2014 20:43 GMT
#356
On June 05 2014 05:40 ROOTFayth wrote:
even TL is against canadians, im outta here, fucking racists

edit: I wish I was mexican


Especially if this is being held on in the south.. I can't imagine Toronto -> LA is cheaper than Mexico City -> LA.

Then again, moot point until a Canadian qualifies
Nayolbi
Profile Joined November 2013
325 Posts
June 04 2014 20:44 GMT
#357
On June 05 2014 05:40 ROOTFayth wrote:
even TL is against canadians, im outta here, fucking racists

edit: I wish I was mexican

i guess you're sorry for being canadian eh
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 04 2014 20:44 GMT
#358
On June 05 2014 04:40 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 04:24 Musicus wrote:
So would this still count as on topic?



truly picasso-like


Was this or Mutas, the book your greatest achievement?
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 04 2014 20:47 GMT
#359
while I may have joked around with the other thread I think it's a fair point though, if Major gets 1000$, canadians should get 1000$, I mean a flight from Toronto to LA roundtrip is 850$, it woulda been less expensive than that for Major
qotsager
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany585 Posts
June 04 2014 20:48 GMT
#360
i fucking love this forum. not all the time, but today is a glorious day.
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