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The second qualifier for WCS Europe Season 2 added four more players to the roster for the upcoming Challenger League.
 Liquid`MaNa, VERDI, Ai.Patience, and Ai.Krr had previously advanced from Quailfier #1.
One more European qualifier remains, which will award four more Challenger League spots. A Ladder Wildcard qualifier with no region restriction also remains, where the final four Challenger League spots will be on the line.
The sixteen players from the Challenger League qualifiers will face off against the bottom sixteen players eliminated from the Season 1 Premier League in a series of best of fives. The winners will qualify for the Season 2 Premier League, while the losers will be forced to start over in the qualifiers.
WCS Europe Season 2 Challenger League Players
From Premier League*
NaNiwa*, ShowTime, Lilbow, Genius, HasuObs, NightEnD
 Happy, ForGG, Kas
 Miniraser, Starbuck, sLivko, LiveZerg, TargA, Bly, FireCake
From Challenger Qualifiers
Europe: MaNa, VERDI, Patience, Krr, Stephano, Golden, elfi, First, 4 TBD
Wildcard: TBD
*NaNiwa previously announced he was taking an indefinite break from SC2
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Stephano is back! Crazy how he can just retire and come out of nowhere and qualify. Hopefully he will take Challenger seriously.
Also grats to Golden, First, and Elfi!
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I dunno what to say about Stephano making it.
A part of me is impressed, and the other is mad.
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Rumours of Stephano's retirement seem to have been greatly exaggerated.
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Stephano is a monster. Gratz to elfi, Golden and First.
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Just gonna throw this out now: We will all know whether Naniwa is playing or not within the next 48 hours.
Reason? Thursday is the Ladder Wildcard, and if Naniwa is not participating, they will need to qualify an additional player for it. There's no way ESL will let him just string them along through Challenger and then not show up.
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LOL stephano still got it.
So is naniwa back or still on break?
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On April 23 2014 06:59 GumBa wrote:
Stephano? Wait what?
Form is fleeting, class is eternal.
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So I guess the status of Naniwa is still in doubt? Ah well. Congrats to everyone who made it. Lol Golden, if at first you don't succeed, yolo through the next qualifier. Also Stephano is surprising. Retirement my ass lol.
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Stephano: better in retirement than most are in on the height of their active careers.
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How many ''retired'' players qualified? 3?
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WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(?
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Turns out Stephano was only training for Lone Star Clash.
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Yeahhhhh gj Golden 
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On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(?
nah.
it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
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Hope some Terrans make it through the final qualifier. 
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Uhm is Stephano still on EG? Thought he was teamless (caus you know "retirement" (but then again, not really))
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Stephano is so goddamn good for barely playing. He said he is on break for holiday and just started playing again yesterday.
On April 23 2014 07:09 SmoKim wrote:
Uhm is Stephano still on EG? Thought he was teamless (caus you know "retirement" (but then again, not really))
Stephano is still on EG. Like how Sheth was still on Liquid even though he wasn't playing for awhile. Certain players are more like family with their teams than just being a source of income and sponsorship.
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Med-school churns out some good SC2 players lol
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On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
There are already more Terrans guaranteed in Premier than Code S this season or last season.
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On April 23 2014 07:03 Weavel wrote:
How many ''retired'' players qualified? 3?
Depends. Golden had an official statement about his comeback due to the delay of his military service, so he technically un-retired at that point. That would make it 2.
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So is this the end of Terran?
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United States23455 Posts
What is this ridiculousness
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On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
Luckilly, the whole Ro16 qualifies, so there's at least 5 :D!
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STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPHANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Foreigner hope returns!
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Canada16217 Posts
Very cool to see Stephano qualify!
Also excited to see Golden, First and elfi.
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YEEAH, more protosses thats just what we need atm!
PvP PvZ all day long BABY! go elfi!
On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
Yeah you say plenty, i say almost none (compared) 9 T vs 19 P and 20 Z. Offcourse we know the situation of code S
Goodbye terran.
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On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(?
MMA, MVP, and Jjakji can hold the line, at least in premier league. Provided they don't all end up in the same group. I hope. I'm thinking Yoda can make it though and him and ForGG can join their Terran brothers.
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Stephano coming back to reclaim the title of foreign hope
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On April 23 2014 07:01 urasyupi2 wrote:
So I guess the status of Naniwa is still in doubt? Ah well. Congrats to everyone who made it. Lol Golden, if at first you don't succeed, yolo through the next qualifier. Also Stephano is surprising. Retirement my ass lol.
Won't be in a few days. They'll need to allow another spot from the ladder wildcard qualifier if they need to replace him. If they don't have an extra spot he is playing. Unless ESL decides they are going to leave that up to Naniwa's spur of the moment decision when Challenger will be played (a thoroughly bad idea)
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I might come back to watching Starcraft if Stephano starts playing again. Very excited!
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lol, I couldn't watch today... fucking Stephano :D
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On April 23 2014 07:30 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I might come back to watching Starcraft if Stephano starts playing again. Very excited!
But..but he actually makes the game worse :/
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United States23455 Posts
People think Stephano is the foreign hope? You guys realize elfi advanced from this very qualifier?
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On April 23 2014 07:34 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:30 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I might come back to watching Starcraft if Stephano starts playing again. Very excited! But..but he actually makes the game worse :/
I dunno, all I know is it brings me excitement to see him play. I am about 5x as likely to watch a tournament he's playing in, he brings in personality I enjoy, and I like his attitude, plus he's a funny guy, and very talented.
I never really care enough to really cheer for anyone but him. Hence why I started with Dota 2 and only watching the last day of the tournament for big tournaments in SC2. All just personal taste.
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All Hail King Stephano! our star and savior has returned! 
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They should give Stephano Nani's spot just for the amazing responses that would follow.
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On April 23 2014 06:53 T-oastbro-T wrote:
Rumours of Stephano's retirement seem to have been greatly exaggerated.
Nice Rise Against reference! :D indeed it has been greatly exaggerated.
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Stephano had 4 games played on his main account before the qualifier. So if he's planning any huge come back, he aint showing it. Just think about it, why quit uni when you can play casual and still make money??
That said, his games vs Demu were amazing. Watching him qualify was the most entertainment I had watching sc2 in weeks. I think he's one of those players who just plays much better under pressure or in front of a crowd.
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Wow... looking at the bracket, it's hard to believe Stephano made it. I hope he does well.
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On April 23 2014 08:01 TRaFFiC wrote:
Stephano had 4 games played on his main account before the qualifier. So if he's planning any huge come back, he aint showing it. Just think about it, why quit uni when you can play casual and still make money??
That said, his games vs Demu were amazing. Watching him qualify was the most entertainment I had watching sc2 in weeks. I think he's one of those players who just plays much better under pressure or in front of a crowd.
I especially think he plays his best when he's considered to be an underdog.
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On April 23 2014 07:57 Advantageous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 06:53 T-oastbro-T wrote:
Rumours of Stephano's retirement seem to have been greatly exaggerated. Nice Rise Against reference! :D indeed it has been greatly exaggerated.
that's not a rise against reference. lol. it's a commonly known apocryphal quote usually attributed to mark twain
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On April 23 2014 07:22 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:01 urasyupi2 wrote:
So I guess the status of Naniwa is still in doubt? Ah well. Congrats to everyone who made it. Lol Golden, if at first you don't succeed, yolo through the next qualifier. Also Stephano is surprising. Retirement my ass lol. Won't be in a few days. They'll need to allow another spot from the ladder wildcard qualifier if they need to replace him. If they don't have an extra spot he is playing. Unless ESL decides they are going to leave that up to Naniwa's spur of the moment decision when Challenger will be played (a thoroughly bad idea)
In before Naniwa hits Stephano in challenger and neither turn up.
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Stephano never played a lot before tournaments. It's no wonder he can deliver good games with barely any training.
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They like the trends in the game and no one truly retires. Surprised? Me thinks not.
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Of course Stephano just streams for a single day and makes it into Challenger League.
Classic Stephano move.
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On April 23 2014 08:01 TRaFFiC wrote:
Stephano had 4 games played on his main account before the qualifier. So if he's planning any huge come back, he aint showing it. Just think about it, why quit uni when you can play casual and still make money??
That said, his games vs Demu were amazing. Watching him qualify was the most entertainment I had watching sc2 in weeks. I think he's one of those players who just plays much better under pressure or in front of a crowd.
Do you have vod links to said qualifiers?
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Really glad to be able to see more Stephano!
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stephano is cool
if you can't get hyped for stephano you should probably just give up pretending you even like this game
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First! I'm glad he is back, and I hope he doesn't disappoint. I miss his RO8 GSL level..
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On April 23 2014 08:47 latan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 08:01 TRaFFiC wrote:
Stephano had 4 games played on his main account before the qualifier. So if he's planning any huge come back, he aint showing it. Just think about it, why quit uni when you can play casual and still make money??
That said, his games vs Demu were amazing. Watching him qualify was the most entertainment I had watching sc2 in weeks. I think he's one of those players who just plays much better under pressure or in front of a crowd. Do you have vod links to said qualifiers?
http://www.twitch.tv/egstephano/b/522076867
It's on his stream. You can also find casted games on basetradetv twitch. First few games are practice.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
On April 23 2014 09:06 jakethesnake wrote:
First!.
Oh so close!
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Too bad there isn't more terrans. I was looking forward to seeing ForGG's TvT.
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On April 23 2014 08:01 TRaFFiC wrote:
Stephano had 4 games played on his main account before the qualifier. So if he's planning any huge come back, he aint showing it. Just think about it, why quit uni when you can play casual and still make money??
That said, his games vs Demu were amazing. Watching him qualify was the most entertainment I had watching sc2 in weeks. I think he's one of those players who just plays much better under pressure or in front of a crowd.
Perhaps he practiced on an alt account?
Also, Tefel is officially the third member of Bly and Paranoid's "win out of nowhere club" with his victory against Yoda
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Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her...
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On April 23 2014 09:43 Snijjer wrote:
Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her...
Scarlett's been practicing in Korea, and is already in Challenger League. Making it through the Challenger League qualifier does not a top foreigner make.
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On April 23 2014 09:43 Snijjer wrote:
Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her...
It seems like your memory lasts about a month or so
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Its like they say, you never really quit.
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On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
buit all has nothn to do with balance ^^ so its totaly fine
there are just no good terrans, only 2 missing for me are heromarine and yoda now in EU and then its fine
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look at all that protoss lol/......
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On April 23 2014 10:22 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 09:43 Snijjer wrote:
Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her... It seems like your memory lasts about a month or so
You're right, Scarlett has done so much this year.
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rofl Stephano still good without any practice.
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On April 23 2014 07:01 Destructicon wrote:Form is fleeting, class is eternal.
Someone has been watching too many car commercials.
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On April 23 2014 11:03 endy wrote:
rofl Stephano still good without any practice.
He's been practicing a lot on EU ladder 
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On April 23 2014 10:59 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 10:22 Darkhorse wrote:On April 23 2014 09:43 Snijjer wrote:
Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her... It seems like your memory lasts about a month or so You're right, Scarlett has done so much this year.
So now because Stephano has made challenger, his only result in about a year, he is now the foreigner hope instead of Scarlett? Scarlett has made a premier tournament final in the past 5 months which is more than I can say for Stephano, plus she was in premier last season.
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On April 23 2014 11:46 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 10:59 Snijjer wrote:On April 23 2014 10:22 Darkhorse wrote:On April 23 2014 09:43 Snijjer wrote:
Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her... It seems like your memory lasts about a month or so You're right, Scarlett has done so much this year. So now because Stephano has made challenger, his only result in about a year, he is now the foreigner hope instead of Scarlett? Scarlett has made a premier tournament final in the past 5 months which is more than I can say for Stephano, plus she was in premier last season.
I didnt say Stephano was our new foreigner hope. Im saying I havent seen any news on Scarlett in forever and it's surprising that Stephano is the one making the news.
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Hopely this time in challanger elfi doesnt get opponent that is on fire 
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Stephano had the easiest run ever xD
the only 2 good players he faced off where dimaga and demuslim
dimaga wasnt that active the last day(weeks?) and wasnt quite in form and demuslim..
well that was the only risky game for stephano, but Demuslim isnt confident in his ZvT (he cheesed twice against stephano and overall he cheesed in every ZvT atleast once wich means his ZvT has to be terrible)
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On April 23 2014 12:05 lichter wrote:
plus she has nicer hair
uhhhh I dunno about that
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On April 23 2014 12:29 Waxangel wrote:uhhhh I dunno about that
Wax, she is in Korea. Wolf is in Korea. Has anyone seen Scarlett lately? Wolf is shaping her... molding her... her hair will be amazing.
EDIT: And I guess she will be pretty okay at StarCraft too.
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Stephano came back to show us who the real foreign hope always was, sorry NaNiwa.
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Great to see Stephano back, I might actually start watching SC2 again ^^
On another note: Where their some rules for this qualifiers regarding who can and cannot attend? Are all Koreans in this qualifer playing in EU now? Would be great if that was case.
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Stephano is back? wow, I tought he died or something.
It's good to see him back, and I'm expecting good matches from him. I hope he doesn't retire soon after this, I want to see him play more.
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Stephano is just playing for fun. Wont stop people from overestimating him considering his past accomplishments though
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On April 23 2014 12:05 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 11:46 Darkhorse wrote:On April 23 2014 10:59 Snijjer wrote:On April 23 2014 10:22 Darkhorse wrote:On April 23 2014 09:43 Snijjer wrote:
Ive been waiting for Scarlett to take over as the best foreigner but she only lasted a month or so as the best before disappearing. Now Stephano is back to being relevant before her... It seems like your memory lasts about a month or so You're right, Scarlett has done so much this year. So now because Stephano has made challenger, his only result in about a year, he is now the foreigner hope instead of Scarlett? Scarlett has made a premier tournament final in the past 5 months which is more than I can say for Stephano, plus she was in premier last season. I didnt say Stephano was our new foreigner hope. Im saying I havent seen any news on Scarlett in forever and it's surprising that Stephano is the one making the news.
It's true you didn't call him the foreign hope but you did say Stephano is more relevant than her just because of this… If you are out of WCS where exactly are you supposed to show relevance? She has been training in Korea though so we'll see.
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The king is back and claims his throne !
GG stephano, welcome home !
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On April 23 2014 15:44 TAMinator wrote:
Stephano is just playing for fun. Wont stop people from overestimating him considering his past accomplishments though
Well he looked quite solid yesterday I must say.
Overestimating or not, he actually went through both Demu and DIMAGA.
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No Terran...
Thank you David Kim.
User was warned for this post
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On April 23 2014 06:51 vult wrote:
Stephano is back! Crazy how he can just retire and come out of nowhere and qualify. Hopefully he will take Challenger seriously.
Also grats to Golden, First, and Elfi!
well he didn't come out of nowhere.
If you look up the viewer statistics of player streams, he was always most viewed. but he wasn't successfull at competing in some tournaments though he didn't take them serious.
However to me it is a bit out of nowhere, that he now wants to play real tournaments again. But I am looking forward to it, though not expecting much from him at first.
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Charlie Sheens House51475 Posts
OMG He beat DeMuslim rofl. God dammit xD
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On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
there was never a good representation of foreigner terrans.
There is an obvious reason, but if you say that out loud, you get banned.
But I will say the other one, which is: with other races you have pretty good cheeses or early allins that require not that much skill but work with a high percentage and "even foreigner" can pull them of (like blink allin, baneling bust etc). This adds some randomness to the game, which is good, but also leads to some problems, like even though there could be THE best player on the planet, he can fall to cheese again and again in a best of 3 or 5 because of it being impossible to be scouted from time to time (hidden buildings or whatever).
Terrans ofc have cheeses (like bunkerrush) but they are harder to pull of or easier to defend against then a blink allin or so.
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If Stephano would come back full time and get close to his past performances, he might resuscitate the entire foreign scene and a healthy boost to the dropping tournaments and streaming viewership. And thats something SC2 really needs right now.
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I hope stephano to fulfil his destiny ! Burying excitement and SC2 esport under an infinite amount of locust!
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On April 23 2014 18:13 Overtime wrote:
If Stephano would come back full time and get close to his past performances, he might resuscitate the entire foreign scene and a healthy boost to the dropping tournaments and streaming viewership. And thats something SC2 really needs right now.
I thought the tournament viewership was fine. Sure the player streams have gone down but who wants to watch epileptic ladder sessions when there are so many real competitions to watch nowadays.
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Oh. My. God. Stephano!!!! Maybe a good time to get back to the game myself, so I know whats going on :D
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On April 23 2014 18:13 Overtime wrote:
If Stephano would come back full time and get close to his past performances, he might resuscitate the entire foreign scene and a healthy boost to the dropping tournaments and streaming viewership. And thats something SC2 really needs right now.
I would watch a few games because of him, but since his games are (ab)using SH to the max I would get bored soon afterwards and quit again.
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Stephano vs dayshi wcs eu finals plos
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On April 23 2014 07:09 Mistakes wrote:Stephano is still on EG. Like how Sheth was still on Liquid even though he wasn't playing for awhile. Certain players are more like family with their teams than just being a source of income and sponsorship.
And it's unlikely to be the case for Stephano and EG. :D
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On April 23 2014 21:13 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:09 Mistakes wrote:Stephano is still on EG. Like how Sheth was still on Liquid even though he wasn't playing for awhile. Certain players are more like family with their teams than just being a source of income and sponsorship. And it's unlikely to be the case for Stephano and EG. :D
I suspect that his contract let's him to retire (retire = no pay, no benefits etc) but makes him be a member of EG if he starts competing again. Plus Stephano is still no. 1 streamer.
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On April 23 2014 17:16 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague. there was never a good representation of foreigner terrans. There is an obvious reason, but if you say that out loud, you get banned. But I will say the other one, which is: with other races you have pretty good cheeses or early allins that require not that much skill but work with a high percentage and "even foreigner" can pull them of (like blink allin, baneling bust etc). This adds some randomness to the game, which is good, but also leads to some problems, like even though there could be THE best player on the planet, he can fall to cheese again and again in a best of 3 or 5 because of it being impossible to be scouted from time to time (hidden buildings or whatever). Terrans ofc have cheeses (like bunkerrush) but they are harder to pull of or easier to defend against then a blink allin or so.
Would you care to explain why there never was an abundance of Terrans even when the race was clearly OP?
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On April 23 2014 22:27 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 17:16 Rollora wrote:
Terrans ofc have cheeses (like bunkerrush) but they are harder to pull of or easier to defend against then a blink allin or so. If you think that an 11/11 Bunker Rush is harder to pull off than a Blink all-in then you truly are lost...
You ever tried winning with 11/11?
It's pretty easy to hold of even if you scout it late.
Blink is not hard to pull of, and WAY harder to defend.
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I dunno is Naniwa will play in challenger but if he is and he meets Stephano... Its gonna be like 50k watching challenger.
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On April 23 2014 22:33 Kylo55 wrote:
I dunno is Naniwa will play in challenger but if he is and he meets Stephano... Its gonna be like 50k watching challenger.
75k minimum
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On April 23 2014 22:39 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 22:33 Kylo55 wrote:
I dunno is Naniwa will play in challenger but if he is and he meets Stephano... Its gonna be like 50k watching challenger. 75k minimum
The only thing that could be better would be if suddenly IdrA and Jinro qualified and met in Code A EU (no idea why would IdrA play EU but we're already looking at sane realistic predictions in back mirror).
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Terrans way of qualifying for Challenger is the Premier league
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oh shit the return of Stephano!!! Hype!
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Not only that Stepahno mad it, he beat DeMuslim (!!) in the deciding last match.
WHATS GOING ON?? =)
GG DeMu! =)
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On April 23 2014 23:01 NarutO wrote:
Terrans way of qualifying for Challenger is the Premier league
lmao, I love reading yours and thedwf's posts for the snarky complaints :D
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On April 23 2014 23:01 NarutO wrote:
Terrans way of qualifying for Challenger is the Premier league
True Story
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On April 23 2014 23:01 NarutO wrote:
Terrans way of qualifying for Challenger is the Premier league
That's so sad, yet so true :/
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On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague.
Historically there always were only a few decent foreign terrains. Thorzain and Lucifron if I recall. Foreign zerg and protoss players enjoyed better results
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The pink knight is back! Gogo
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On April 23 2014 06:51 vult wrote:
Stephano is back! Crazy how he can just retire and come out of nowhere and qualify. Hopefully he will take Challenger seriously.
Also grats to Golden, First, and Elfi!
Yeah he really outclassed demuslim by a long shot.
The games were awesome to see though, high quality games from both players.
But stephano was really of a different world, he's a crazy man.
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Didn't Stephano retire?...
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On April 24 2014 00:48 Sejanus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague. Historically there always were only a few decent foreign terrains. Thorzain and Lucifron if I recall. Foreign zerg and protoss players enjoyed better results
I wouldnt say that and that doesnt address the problem that EU T had atleast same chances of qualifying and T was very well represented, they had a SHOT. Nowadays it seems like its a waste, and almost nobody is pulling it trough on challenger atleast.
Guess the premier will be the new terrans own challenger qualifiers as said.
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On April 23 2014 22:28 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 22:27 SatedSC2 wrote:On April 23 2014 17:16 Rollora wrote:
Terrans ofc have cheeses (like bunkerrush) but they are harder to pull of or easier to defend against then a blink allin or so. If you think that an 11/11 Bunker Rush is harder to pull off than a Blink all-in then you truly are lost... You ever tried winning with 11/11? It's pretty easy to hold of even if you scout it late. Blink is not hard to pull of, and WAY harder to defend.
Difficult to execute =/= difficult to succeed with
I find it near impossible to win with a 200 worker max timing push--but that doesn't mean that its hard to max out on just workers.
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On April 24 2014 02:47 cheekymonkey wrote:
Didn't Stephano retire?...
You should see him when he's active
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Wow MC winning stuff, Stephano casually qualifying for WCS.. am I stuck in a timewarp? Because I'd like to marry it..
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STephano has been playing a lot lately. It is great to see him back. Maybe it is a summer thing like isn't he in college now? Maybe he figured he could play during summer freely. Naniwa I doubt will come back.
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I love watching Stephano's stream and seeing him play with 4 hotkeys; reminds me of another reason not to play Terran. I knew he couldn't resist the money!
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Stephano's path was too easy.
He just all ined every game anyway
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Strawpoll doesn't live long on TL, you can make a poll within TL that will show the results so people don't have to click a link to leave the site..
Stephano, Golden, Verdi.... all these guys who retired and came back to win. I seem to remember Scarlett taking a break at one point only to dominate for a period of time after, maybe this is a new trend that players need rest?
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On April 23 2014 22:24 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 17:16 Rollora wrote:On April 23 2014 07:08 Tanzklaue wrote:On April 23 2014 07:05 SC2Toastie wrote:
WCS EU going GSL style low Terran.. :-(? nah. it's worse. there are plenty of terrans in code A. there are almost none in WCS europe challengerleague. there was never a good representation of foreigner terrans. There is an obvious reason, but if you say that out loud, you get banned. But I will say the other one, which is: with other races you have pretty good cheeses or early allins that require not that much skill but work with a high percentage and "even foreigner" can pull them of (like blink allin, baneling bust etc). This adds some randomness to the game, which is good, but also leads to some problems, like even though there could be THE best player on the planet, he can fall to cheese again and again in a best of 3 or 5 because of it being impossible to be scouted from time to time (hidden buildings or whatever). Terrans ofc have cheeses (like bunkerrush) but they are harder to pull of or easier to defend against then a blink allin or so. Would you care to explain why there never was an abundance of Terrans even when the race was clearly OP?
You mean before the Bunker Patch? Or Ghost Patch? Or what do you mean? No matter what you say now, the unit or ability, concerning the control needed to make it work, is never as good/effective as Fungal was. Or other "stuff" that is still in the game, but will get me banned if I mention it. So please say, what was so terribly imba about terrans? Bunker Build time against hatchfirst (yeah, that was not the greedy zerg's fault), or maybe emp? Yeah, I guess that's it. EMP was clearly imba. Never really killed a unit besides if you have backup units... compared to storm or fungal.
This discussion would be endless because of how much a unit costs, which level of tech it requires, how much you could produce at once etc (here, Zerg leads by far with larva mechanics). There are free units, powerful energy attacks (storms, emps) etc, strong hellion timings/cheeses etc.
But I am interested in where terran was imba, i mean really imba and not just "not yet figured out by now"
On April 23 2014 22:28 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 22:27 SatedSC2 wrote:On April 23 2014 17:16 Rollora wrote:
Terrans ofc have cheeses (like bunkerrush) but they are harder to pull of or easier to defend against then a blink allin or so. If you think that an 11/11 Bunker Rush is harder to pull off than a Blink all-in then you truly are lost... You ever tried winning with 11/11? It's pretty easy to hold of even if you scout it late. Blink is not hard to pull of, and WAY harder to defend.
and not only in ladder but in LOTS of progames I have seen a successfull transition out of it.
It is not cheese, cause if cheese isn't successfull, you lose.
It is an early aggression with 80% winrates in some tournaments and also if it fails it has a cool exit strategy. And pls tell me again how that 80% are worse than bunkerrush...
playing "random" for over one year now, still playing the game in a true macro style (no cheese or allins without followup involved) show, at MY level, the game is hardest for terran (multiple harass, constant macro, better army control etc).
Btw "my level" refers to: i tried that from silver to diamond: how much APM do I really need for the win, how much thinking is involved, how much meta is involved and how much harassement while attacking or defending etc.
But while Terran might be the hardest race until diamond (without cheese, without allins etc), I still won't say it is the weakest, cause competing at the very highest level is different and hard for any race. Though there is a reason where that skill level is reached sooner with non Terran races. Doesn't mean they are "easier", more that they don't have the opportunity to be pushed that far with multitasking/harassing etc.
Ofc you can multidrop with toss or zerg (why don't u guys use some baneling drops with overlords in midgame? It is simple and if done at 2 or 3 bases at once you always get 20-30 workers ezpz?) but it is not figured out or doesn't fit into the game/meta yet. So terran might be hardest, but also for other races it might be, that it is very hard to reach the VERY top, because after you reached some level you cannot go farther for some time
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On April 24 2014 05:28 Ctone23 wrote:Strawpoll doesn't live long on TL, you can make a poll within TL that will show the results so people don't have to click a link to leave the site.. Stephano, Golden, Verdi.... all these guys who retired and came back to win. I seem to remember Scarlett taking a break at one point only to dominate for a period of time after, maybe this is a new trend that players need rest?
More like they come back when things are shifting. For instance Blizzard making swarm hosts more relevant. Sort of helps when you've been practicing that kind of utility as well, no? Because that's exactly what Stephano was practicing a while ago when he was streaming and not necessarily competing, no? Come on now.
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in case somebody feels offended by the post above: sry I was drunk
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Stephano is the Berbatov of Starcraft.
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Stephano retirement really meant; Stephano getting dropped from EG, simple as that.
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On April 25 2014 14:44 tesTOSSterone wrote:
Stephano retirement really meant; Stephano getting dropped from EG, simple as that.
but he's still on EG
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On April 25 2014 14:44 tesTOSSterone wrote:
Stephano retirement really meant; Stephano getting dropped from EG, simple as that.
? Stephano got bored with the game, nothing to do with EG. And it last like at least 6 monthes before effectively retiring.
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I pray to god Stephano doesn't get a single ZvZ....
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On April 25 2014 16:11 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 14:44 tesTOSSterone wrote:
Stephano retirement really meant; Stephano getting dropped from EG, simple as that. ? Stephano got bored with the game, nothing to do with EG. And it last like at least 6 monthes before effectively retiring.
People don't just get bored of their job and quit, especially when it's an incredibly convenient and well paying one. There was much more to it then that. Regardless if Stephano got bored of the game or not, nobody in their right mind, especially someone smart enough to plan for the future and decide to go to University to study medicine, will just wake up and decide they no longer wan't to make money and feed themselves simply because they are "bored". That's not how life works kid. I don't know how old you are or how many jobs you've had in your lifetime but if you ever are given the opportunity at something so incredibly rare as being a highly payed Pro Gamer, I certainly hope you don't ever give it up simply because you get bored of it for a few months.
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