Inven reports that Startale players will join Incredible Miracle to compete in Proleague's Round 2. Starting in Round 2, Startale players will compete in Proleague wearing IM uniforms. Inven also reports that Startale players are joining IM's team house at this time.
IM head coach Hirai said "Through round 1, we've cmopleted our adjustment to a new league. IM players are performing well in individual tournaments, and the addition of Startale players will make the team ever stronger."
Whaaaaaaat... Well, pity neither Startale nor IM can compete on their own, though I guess it'll help the players of those 2 teams elevate to better results. I wonder how big of an impact is it going to have on the overall standings, mostly of the lower part of the bracket of round 1, eg. Prime or MVP.
Round 2 is IM's ! (Well, or maybe round 3, needing some time to adjust and blend).
Holy shit: HerO, Byul, Life, Trap, Squirtle, Yonghwa, Curious, that's a really decent line up ! (And that'd be awesome that a few names like Ruin, Panic, etc. take a few games as well ! )
Still lacks a really good terran (Mvp and teamleagues, well. Oh but if he manages to go on rampage, that'd be <3). I don't know Hack's current form though (but I don't really believe it's that great....)
ST players going to the IM house? This can't be good for the survival of ST, but IM absorbing ST would just make the roster of IM HUGE! Anyway IM is now a strong contender in PL! But in BO7s a huge roster won't change much!
Oh snap, that's massive, lots of implications to this as well. However as others have mentioned, its too bad that in a BO5 format they won't be able to take full advantage of the roster size. Still they could do some huge prep work and sniping strategies.
Hopefully this doesn't mean that ST is going to implode.
Incredible Mercs. Now they are gonna start with Trap/HerO/Life/Panic? Dont quite understand this move since ByuL is already very promising and they already got 15 decent protosses. Maybe they just couldnt acquire Life straight-up
Interesting... IM becoming huge in roster numbers, which could mean that some players will be cut. But then again, who knows if this is permanent or just temporary.
It is interesting though, I thought Startale was strongly sponsored, but maybe that's just Life.
Seems like a weird move to me. StarTale only has 3 very good and 2 kinda good players who could be used in PL, but only one of them is terran. Hack, Mvp, UngNim. Not a very good terran line-up tbh.
On February 12 2014 18:21 Arceus wrote: Incredible Mercs. Now they are gonna start with Trap/HerO/Life/Panic? Dont quite understand this move since ByuL is already very promising and they already got 15 decent protosses. Maybe they just couldnt acquire Life straight-up
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
you may not know this, but ST and Prime aren't on the best terms regarding liking each other i'd imagine.
also ST wants their players to have success. Prime won't have success. IM will probably have some success.
lol the current startale and the current prime have hardly any history with each other at all, i'm sure it's more of a funding issue than anything else that ST joined IM
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
I have to agree.
kind of stupid, but as we learned from EGTL it doesn't mean they will dominate.
EGTL had the worst practice regime in the entire league and a total lack of rooster depth (no matter the format you do need this as your 3-5 default players will eventually get figured out). I'm still shocked to this day that TL predicted them to do well in PL when it was obvious that they would get 4th at the very very best.
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
I have to agree.
kind of stupid, but as we learned from EGTL it doesn't mean they will dominate.
EGTL had the worst practice regime in the entire league and a total lack of rooster depth (no matter the format you do need this as your 3-5 default players will eventually get figured out). I'm still shocked to this day that TL predicted them to do well in PL when it was obvious that they would get 4th at the very very best.
hindsight is 20/20, TL made the right call in power ranking them as #1, it was expected for them to do well (they deserved at least top 3 in PR)
Wow, on one hand Life is in SPL and pretty much IM. On the other it's less fun since IM is growing further from its roots of developing players and is looking more like a squad of mercenaries these days
It doesn't improve IM's strength THAT much, considering a four player lineup. You're upgrading Byul-Trap-Protoss1-Protoss2 to what, Byul-Trap-Curious/Life-Protoss1? That's an upgrade, but not a SIGNIFICANT upgrade.
Honestly, I think the biggest benefit is actually improving the team's depth, so anyone competing in Code S/WCS Premier can be covered for.
Oh, and having Hack as a credible Terran threat who will ACTUALLY PLAY UNLIKE Mvp will help them do line-ups; especially in playoffs.
life should make a significant difference in the points IM makes. having hack in there might do some good too as IM is quite bereft of terrans except for mvp. but really really this brings my hope of having a barbie vs aphrodite televised match coming into being that much closer. mwhahaha
On February 12 2014 18:41 rave[wcr] wrote: life should make a significant difference in the points IM makes. having hack in there might do some good too as IM is quite bereft of terrans except for mvp. but really really this brings my hope of having a barbie vs aphrodite televised match coming into being that much closer. mwhahaha
Good for Proleague, IM do need Zergs now but haven't they got too many players right now? IM could make good use of Life, Curious and Hack but ST still has quite a few players in their roster. Also, sad that both First and YoDa seem to have disappeared since deciding to play in WCS Europe...
I wish Startale and Prime joined up instead tbh. The bickering between the fans would be interesting and we'd actually have another potentially competitive team in SPL.
IM only needed 1 or 2 more good signings to recover from the loss of Yoda, Losira, and First. They were already fine.
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
I have to agree.
kind of stupid, but as we learned from EGTL it doesn't mean they will dominate.
EGTL had the worst practice regime in the entire league and a total lack of rooster depth (no matter the format you do need this as your 3-5 default players will eventually get figured out). I'm still shocked to this day that TL predicted them to do well in PL when it was obvious that they would get 4th at the very very best.
a bad practice regime doesn't mean shit if your roster is supposed to be class above the rest.
alas, they underperformed hardcore, and i don't really think that lack of practice was a factor since most of the players on the roster went on to have at least some (or a lot in the cases of taeja and JD) success in individual competition.
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
I have to agree.
kind of stupid, but as we learned from EGTL it doesn't mean they will dominate.
EGTL had the worst practice regime in the entire league and a total lack of rooster depth (no matter the format you do need this as your 3-5 default players will eventually get figured out). I'm still shocked to this day that TL predicted them to do well in PL when it was obvious that they would get 4th at the very very best.
The TL writers did ok, they probably should have been a bit more conservative but again, hindsight is great. The thing is, the that power rank was writen at a time when the quantifiable talent of EGTL was very well known and quite high at the time in comparison to that of KeSPA, which was totally unknown at the time.
We take it for granted now that KeSPA players are godlike and have basically caught up to everybody in skill, but back then the only players to have had good results where Rain with a WCS Asia gold and multiple high finishes, Flash with some good showings when he was invited, Soulkey on the ladder, Bogus with some GSL showings and ladder.
Everybody expected it would take the rest of KeSPA several more months to catch up in skill with everybody else, but their insane work ethic means they caught up in record time. KeSPA teams experience in the PL format was also a large advantage, they analyzed and dissected EGTL on multiple occasion and gave them a lot of hard losses.
On February 12 2014 18:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I wish Startale and Prime joined up instead tbh. The bickering between the fans would be interesting and we'd actually have another potentially competitive team in SPL.
IM only needed 1 or 2 more good signings to recover from the loss of Yoda, Losira, and First. They were already fine.
Agree completely. And this has also made me remember how scary IM would've been with Yoda, Losira and First in PL. So depressed that they're gone. :<
so does this include Bomber? i realize he's not on ST anymore but he's still got the same sponsor and shit. anyways, this COULD be huge but i'm not 100% sure it'll really help them all that much considering they can only field 4 of their 134324230434 players.
On February 12 2014 19:25 Zealously wrote: LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE
I'm fucking screaming
No CJ_Life.
I hope they will show good results !
On February 12 2014 19:26 Schelim wrote: so does this include Bomber? i realize he's not on ST anymore but he's still got the same sponsor and shit. anyways, this COULD be huge but i'm not 100% sure it'll really help them all that much considering they can only field 4 of their 134324230434 players.
very excited to see teams join together, now all I wish now is Axiom-Acer join again in pro league. (They still live together from what I seen on youtube)
Meh woulda preffered ST joining PL as a seperate team tbh. And bo5 format is still to small But still sick roster and IM is pretty cool now with Trap ByuL Mvp Life all players I like
On February 12 2014 19:43 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Life playing with IM? Excellent! Even more reason for me to continue supporting them first in PL.
EDIT: Oh gawd, that means Bomber too! Mwuhahah! And yeah, Curious, whatever.
Bomber is not in Startale anymore.
I don't really know about this. Sure it sounds great but Life never shined in team leagues, I hope that has changed. Curious is great addition though.
Oh yeah. I only added that edit after seeing someone post something about him earlier in the thread but didn't really pay attention to the post. Maybe they were saying "what a shame he's not on ST anymore" rather than "Wow, Bomber will play with IM" sort of thing. Alas, I am too tired now, so I shan't be checking.
Now why can't the IM players wear Startale uniforms as well, and IM go practice in the Startale house? Ok, keep the uniforms if you want, just call the team Incredible Tale. ProLeague needs more absurdity (aside from the lovely bathrobe-style white coats we see from time to time)
On February 12 2014 20:22 DiMano wrote: IM's line-up for Proleague
There's a limit for players you can list in your roster in Proleague. If not, every team might as well just list everybody including B-teamers. We will have to wait for round 2 rosters to be out to be sure of who is on the roster.
On February 12 2014 20:22 DiMano wrote: IM's line-up for Proleague
There's a limit for players you can list in your roster in Proleague. If not, every team might as well just list everybody including B-teamers. We will have to wait for round 2 rosters to be out to be sure of who is on the roster.
really, a limit? last season we saw just about everyone being listed, the reason for this season's smaller rosters i thought was the cuts to all teams. like, which b-teamers this season were not listed?
On February 12 2014 20:22 DiMano wrote: IM's line-up for Proleague
There's a limit for players you can list in your roster in Proleague. If not, every team might as well just list everybody including B-teamers. We will have to wait for round 2 rosters to be out to be sure of who is on the roster.
All rosters in Proleague include B-teamers. All rosters for Round 1 are the actual rosters for all teams.
On February 12 2014 20:22 DiMano wrote: IM's line-up for Proleague
There's a limit for players you can list in your roster in Proleague. If not, every team might as well just list everybody including B-teamers. We will have to wait for round 2 rosters to be out to be sure of who is on the roster.
really, a limit? last season we saw just about everyone being listed, the reason for this season's smaller rosters i thought was the cuts to all teams. like, which b-teamers this season were not listed?
KeSPA teams used to operate with a system where they had an A-team and a B-team. A-team players get on the PL roster and B-team players play in dream league. Some players of borderline-decent skill levels would frequently get added and removed from rosters for that reason, and when they finally win a match and get interviewed, they would talk about how they were demoted to the B-team. But now, I am not sure if only dream league is no longer held or KeSPA teams have done away with B-teams altogether. Either way, I have never seen 18 players on a roster before. They could have changed the rules though, but it doesn't seem likely.
so am I supposed to be happy about it because we can see ST players in Proleague or am I supposed to be sad because that probably means that ST is not doing well and maybe disband in the near future?
On February 12 2014 21:15 Yello wrote: so am I supposed to be happy about it because we can see ST players in Proleague or am I supposed to be sad because that probably means that ST is not doing well and maybe disband in the near future?
Or maybe they said to themself hey we are the only ESF team that was left, and we have no league to play in. We should probably try to get on that KesPa league so we can always be having a tournament environment for our players. I would think that this is probably the case, seeing as the teams that were left were ST,Axiom, and Azubu. I think we all know Azubu is going to go away soon, and that Axiom is more like a foreigner team.
On February 12 2014 20:39 lichter wrote: All my efforts in trying to create hatred and animosity between ST and IM fans comes to naught.
UGH I wanted a meaningful rivalry for IM
Yeah, it was definitely a good rivalry, though all IM fans (Except for Dodgin) are so nice they refused to hate ST or every other enemy of IM. I'm particularly looking at you FrostedMiniWheats, your niceness sickens me!
On February 12 2014 20:39 lichter wrote: All my efforts in trying to create hatred and animosity between ST and IM fans comes to naught.
UGH I wanted a meaningful rivalry for IM
Yeah, it was definitely a good rivalry, though all IM fans (Except for Dodgin) are so nice they refused to hate ST or every other enemy of IM. I'm particularly looking at you FrostedMiniWheats, your niceness sickens me!
Hey now, ST stopped being a decent rival ever since IM left eSF and they still never managed to get a GSTL gold even when GSTL became far easier. Rightfully, they are our henchmen now and nothing more.
Besides, hating ST is Prime's thing. It's about all they have left.
On February 12 2014 20:39 lichter wrote: All my efforts in trying to create hatred and animosity between ST and IM fans comes to naught.
UGH I wanted a meaningful rivalry for IM
Yeah, it was definitely a good rivalry, though all IM fans (Except for Dodgin) are so nice they refused to hate ST or every other enemy of IM. I'm particularly looking at you FrostedMiniWheats, your niceness sickens me!
Hey now, ST stopped being a decent rival ever since IM left eSF and they still never managed to get a GSTL gold even when GSTL became far easier. Rightfully, they are our henchmen now and nothing more.
Besides, hating ST is Prime's thing. It's about all they have left.
This is good , but it would be better to have some transfer between former eSF teams . MVP and Prime suck now and a couple of bad players won't really change anything . What they need is to refine their training methods and have better coaching or something .
doesnt ST owner not in good standing or despises kespa, its probably not a sponsorship issue, more like gettin some exposure for their players without having to join pl as a team
I wonder how are they going to accommodate so many players in the same house. I guess the same way Startale managed to accommodate all the Zenex players in the ST house.
On February 12 2014 22:43 shookshift wrote: doesnt ST owner not in good standing or despises kespa, its probably not a sponsorship issue, more like gettin some exposure for their players without having to join pl as a team
Maybe ST players were not happy about being on a sideline as well.
On February 12 2014 22:41 raga4ka wrote: This is good , but it would be better to have some transfer between former eSF teams . MVP and Prime suck now and a couple of bad players won't really change anything . What they need is to refine their training methods and have better coaching or something .
To be honest, with how many free agents are now on the open market it would be incredibly easy for either MVP or Prime to acquire some good players, provided they have the cash to sustain them.
On February 12 2014 18:00 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Source: Inven
Inven reports that Startale players will join Incredible Miracle to compete in Proleague's Round 2. Starting in Round 2, Startale players will compete in Proleague wearing IM uniforms. Inven also reports that Startale players are joining IM's team house at this time.
IM head coach Hirai said "Through round 1, we've cmopleted our adjustment to a new league. IM players are performing well in individual tournaments, and the addition of Startale players will make the team ever stronger."
That doesn't sound like a team up cooperation... That sounds like a merge.
On February 12 2014 18:05 Dodgin wrote: this sounds to me like Startale is going to die, they're moving into IM's team house?
Well they are the only professional korean team not in proleague. Unless you count AZUBU which is team of 2...
But IM+ST is powerhouse. They can challenge even telecoms!
Startale being a team of 3 doesnt make that much of a difference. Im surprised everyone forgot that they removed most of its players weeks ago
Well Life, Pet, Panic, Hack, and Curious so really a team of 5. Still in a bo5 format that roster is going to be pretty crowded. We could see very different lineups week to week, as opposed to the telecoms "Flash, TY, Zest, Stats" and "Soulkey, Rain, Parting" every week.
On February 12 2014 22:41 raga4ka wrote: This is good , but it would be better to have some transfer between former eSF teams . MVP and Prime suck now and a couple of bad players won't really change anything . What they need is to refine their training methods and have better coaching or something .
To be honest, with how many free agents are now on the open market it would be incredibly easy for either MVP or Prime to acquire some good players, provided they have the cash to sustain them.
Mvp HerO Squirtle Life Curious Hack Byul Trap And one can only dream of FruitDealer coming out of his coaching job to do some bane busts but DAMN that's one strong line up they got.
On February 13 2014 00:22 j1nzo wrote: great!!! but ppl keep mentioning the "death" of st… does anybody have any real information on this? i mean after eg joined us, they didn't disband...
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
Kind of answered your own question, why would you join the bottom leaguers when you could join the team who have the potential to be winners?
This is all very odd though. Nothing mentioned of an official merger, yet they are playing in IM jerseys so it has absolutely no benefit to ST whatsoever aside from perhaps the fact that the players don’t get rusty and can still compete in high level competition. Although there’s even no guarantee of this since the combined roster of IM and ST is just too big.
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
Kind of answered your own question, why would you join the bottom leaguers when you could join the team who have the potential to be winners?
This is all very odd though. Nothing mentioned of an official merger, yet they are playing in IM jerseys so it has absolutely no benefit to ST whatsoever aside from perhaps the fact that the players don’t get rusty and can still compete in high level competition. Although there’s even no guarantee of this since the combined roster of IM and ST is just too big.
Very strange.
HerO also plays with an IM jersey, but it has the Liquid sponsors on his arm patches. I'd assume it will be the same for ST.
Will Life live up to the expectations? Lets be honest, he's probably the one they expect to bring at least one win every two matches in. And go on streaks during the all kill round.
On February 13 2014 01:12 ZeromuS wrote: Is this enough to get them into R2 playoffs?
Will Life live up to the expectations? Lets be honest, he's probably the one they expect to bring at least one win every two matches in. And go on streaks during the all kill round.
Life never performed in teamleague, at least in GSTL afaik. But he has the potential to reach even higher height and I expect him to do so in KeSPA team like T1 or KT. But IM? partnership? not so much
This is kind of sketchy. How come IM can just pull in Startale and use the entire team immediately starting next round? I can see maybe bringing in a player or two, but to bring in an entire team on such short notice? That's not exactly fair IMO
So this feels kind of strange. These are both my favourite teams, and I don't really wish to see one of them assimilated by the other. Although seeing some of my favourite players in pro league is of course good, and they'll get a kickass training house
On February 13 2014 01:30 Bagration wrote: This is kind of sketchy. How come IM can just pull in Startale and use the entire team immediately starting next round? I can see maybe bringing in a player or two, but to bring in an entire team on such short notice? That's not exactly fair IMO
I presume they've been having a dialogue with the Kespa rulers about this for some time now.
On February 13 2014 01:30 Bagration wrote: This is kind of sketchy. How come IM can just pull in Startale and use the entire team immediately starting next round? I can see maybe bringing in a player or two, but to bring in an entire team on such short notice? That's not exactly fair IMO
I presume they've been having a dialogue with the Kespa rulers about this for some time now.
Yeah Kespa seems to have a pretty well defined ruleset. I doubt this is sketchy - it might even be a smoother way of easing some financial strain on Startale or something, what with less players in their house.
On February 12 2014 18:07 Ace Frehley wrote: With bo5 format, this is not very useful
Also, no redbull logo showing on screen
Does redbull even sponsor startale anymore? When I saw Life in code a, he did not wear the usual startale shirt with just the giant red bull logo. He was wearing a shirt without a red bull logo anywhere on it.
On February 12 2014 18:07 Ace Frehley wrote: With bo5 format, this is not very useful
Also, no redbull logo showing on screen
Does redbull even sponsor startale anymore? When I saw Life in code a, he did not wear the usual startale shirt with just the giant red bull logo. He was wearing a shirt without a red bull logo anywhere on it.
It's on the shoulders. St uniforms have changes like once every 2 months or so lol
If any one of you doubt the power of Startale or feel iffy about ST playing with IM, you should immediately inform me so that I can take the appropriate measures
On February 12 2014 18:07 Ace Frehley wrote: With bo5 format, this is not very useful
Also, no redbull logo showing on screen
Does redbull even sponsor startale anymore? When I saw Life in code a, he did not wear the usual startale shirt with just the giant red bull logo. He was wearing a shirt without a red bull logo anywhere on it.
It's on the shoulders. St uniforms have changes like once every 2 months or so lol
Hmm guess I never saw it on the shoulder and only remember their shirt as just the giant red bull logo on the front with it saying star tale no where on it. However, I admit I haven't kept up with gsl and gstl like I used to, so that was the first time I saw life play in gsl in a while.
On February 13 2014 02:28 Zealously wrote: If any one of you doubt the power of Startale or feel iffy about ST playing with IM, you should immediately inform me so that I can take the appropriate measures
On February 13 2014 02:28 Zealously wrote: If any one of you doubt the power of Startale or feel iffy about ST playing with IM, you should immediately inform me so that I can take the appropriate measures
On February 13 2014 01:10 ChoiSulli wrote: Remember those KESPA vs. ESF debates we used to have a couple of years ago.... so ya KESPA won.
It wasn't a KESPA vs ESF debate. It was a debate on whether TBLS could do anything, and the end result is that no, they can't win anything meaningful.
JD is doing more than fine imho. Flash needs mech to be viable in all matchups, though he did incredibly well in PL last year. Bisu was sad about the lack of fangirls for star 2 and ran off to make some afreeca money before military. And Stork wasn't even THAT good at the end of BW anymore, but has been starting to come back lately.
But yea I think ALL the old BW pros being superior to the dish washers of esF has been proven wrong. Kespa vs esF only ended up in Kespa winning for financial reasons.
On February 13 2014 01:12 ZeromuS wrote: Is this enough to get them into R2 playoffs?
Will Life live up to the expectations? Lets be honest, he's probably the one they expect to bring at least one win every two matches in. And go on streaks during the all kill round.
Life never performed in teamleague, at least in GSTL afaik. But he has the potential to reach even higher height and I expect him to do so in KeSPA team like T1 or KT. But IM? partnership? not so much
The only time Life performed awesome in GSTL was 2012 Season 2 while he was on ZeNEX, Life went 9-2, 3rd best player that GSTL season win/loss wise (all killed Team Liquid that season).
On February 13 2014 01:10 ChoiSulli wrote: Remember those KESPA vs. ESF debates we used to have a couple of years ago.... so ya KESPA won.
It wasn't a KESPA vs ESF debate. It was a debate on whether TBLS could do anything, and the end result is that no, they can't win anything meaningful.
JD's doing pretty well for himself
still gets rekd by Life though
JD's the only one who comes close to being the same level in sc2 as he was in bw. flash did well for a short time, but now he is just one of many struggling terrans who show flashes (lol) of brilliance, but overall are jsut average.
On February 12 2014 18:04 dustinth wrote: Why not with Prime? IM already has tons of good players.
Because SUPERTEAM Seriously, I hope this doesn't fail. Star-studded lineups historically have the tendency to struggle.
They just need a good coach, although I'd hate to be in his shoes. How the hell do you pick four to play each week out of that group? It will be easier in the all kill rounds to figure out who to send out but just picking four in the normal rounds will be difficult.
I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
That should be useful in proleague
On February 13 2014 06:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
On February 13 2014 03:47 Zealously wrote:
JD's doing pretty well for himself
still gets rekd by Life though
Didn't Jaedong stomp Life conciderably last time?
Life won 3-2 in their only meeting
Life is a nice guy. Stomped him in two games, gave the hyung two games out of respect before owning him again
Life was so afraid to play Jaedong at ASUS NorthCon that he decided to lose 0-3 to Scarlett in the semifinals while Jaedong raped Innovation and later Scarlett when he won the entire thing.
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
I don't know--Curious has always seemed a SuperNova-like player to me; looks good sometimes but tends to fall short in the clutch (in individual leagues). Different era of course but I still remember in the WCS 2012 Global Finals where he got kind of stomped by TitaN in the group stage.
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
That should be useful in proleague
On February 13 2014 06:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
On February 13 2014 03:47 Zealously wrote:
JD's doing pretty well for himself
still gets rekd by Life though
Didn't Jaedong stomp Life conciderably last time?
Life won 3-2 in their only meeting
Life is a nice guy. Stomped him in two games, gave the hyung two games out of respect before owning him again
Life was so afraid to play Jaedong at ASUS NorthCon that he decided to lose 0-3 to Scarlett in the semifinals while Jaedong raped Innovation and later Scarlett when he won the entire thing.
Life was too busy counting his relevant tournament wins
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
I don't know--Curious has always seemed a SuperNova-like player to me; looks good sometimes but tends to fall short in the clutch (in individual leagues). Different era of course but I still remember in the WCS 2012 Global Finals where he got kind of stomped by TitaN in the group stage.
That Curious is long gone. This guy beat Innovation when he was at his peak and is currently #1 in ZvT on Aligulac. Unlike Supernova, whose builds are usually tailored to be especially effective against an opponent, Curious is good enough in straight-up play not to need it most of the time. I wouldn't clump the two together in terms of much at all.
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
That should be useful in proleague
On February 13 2014 06:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
On February 13 2014 03:47 Zealously wrote:
JD's doing pretty well for himself
still gets rekd by Life though
Didn't Jaedong stomp Life conciderably last time?
Life won 3-2 in their only meeting
Life is a nice guy. Stomped him in two games, gave the hyung two games out of respect before owning him again
Life was so afraid to play Jaedong at ASUS NorthCon that he decided to lose 0-3 to Scarlett in the semifinals while Jaedong raped Innovation and later Scarlett when he won the entire thing.
Jaedong is the King Zerg now after breaking his kong title. Life, well, can't say the same anymore
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
That should be useful in proleague
On February 13 2014 06:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
On February 13 2014 03:47 Zealously wrote:
JD's doing pretty well for himself
still gets rekd by Life though
Didn't Jaedong stomp Life conciderably last time?
Life won 3-2 in their only meeting
Life is a nice guy. Stomped him in two games, gave the hyung two games out of respect before owning him again
Life was so afraid to play Jaedong at ASUS NorthCon that he decided to lose 0-3 to Scarlett in the semifinals while Jaedong raped Innovation and later Scarlett when he won the entire thing.
Life was too busy counting his relevant tournament wins
Jaedong was too busy counting the amount of money he made in 2013 to care about winning
On February 13 2014 06:38 Havik_ wrote: This team just sounds imbalanced. lol.
Nah. They have a lot of players... but not really a lot of "outstanding players". When you look at a team like SKT, which as Soulkey, Rain, Parting, Classic, etc... that looks like an imbalanced team (despite them finishing 2nd).
On February 13 2014 06:38 Havik_ wrote: This team just sounds imbalanced. lol.
Nah. They have a lot of players... but not really a lot of "outstanding players". When you look at a team like SKT, which as Soulkey, Rain, Parting, Classic, etc... that looks like an imbalanced team (despite them finishing 2nd).
On good day they are imbalanced. On bad day they are second.
Some said that the increased roster doesn't really matter as only 4 people get to play. However, a large B-team can improve the results significantly and support more refined practice regiment. It'd be just like the good old KeSPA practice slave tradition!
Hoping they can lure Red Bull as real main sponsor with couple million dollar yearly budget. Red Bull STIM has a nice ring to it. Too bad it sound quite unlikely to have any sponsor investing real money into SC.
Edit: I know they're not officially merged, but all signs points to the dissolution of ST in a not too distant future. The question is: does IM have the money to acquire a bulk of their players?
On February 13 2014 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: I did not read the whole thread, but the OP does not necessarily suggest to me that ST is disbanding. It makes sense for ST players to try to participate in a team league now that GSTL is dead, and them playing in IM uniforms is probably just to get around the restriction that you can't add a new team for R2 that wasn't participating in R1, so an "IM/ST" team was not possible.
I do wish for balance sake that they'd partnered with Prime instead, IM already had a strong (though very P-heavy) team. I'm not even sure how much this improves IM--Life will be great to see, but I don't see Curious, Hack or Panic as an improvement on HerO, YongHwa, ByuL, Trap, Squirtle, etc?
Curious might have the best ZvT in Korea.
That should be useful in proleague
On February 13 2014 06:12 neptunusfisk wrote:
On February 13 2014 03:47 Zealously wrote:
JD's doing pretty well for himself
still gets rekd by Life though
Didn't Jaedong stomp Life conciderably last time?
Life won 3-2 in their only meeting
Life is a nice guy. Stomped him in two games, gave the hyung two games out of respect before owning him again
Life was so afraid to play Jaedong at ASUS NorthCon that he decided to lose 0-3 to Scarlett in the semifinals while Jaedong raped Innovation and later Scarlett when he won the entire thing.
Life was too busy counting his relevant tournament wins
Jaedong was too busy counting the amount of money he made in 2013 to care about winning
That's a pretty weak argument when discussing two champions man, GOLDS BEFORE HOES
On February 13 2014 07:03 Zer atai wrote: IM Startale + Liquid Hero OP. Good Luck. Hope you all do well.
StarTale doesn't need luck to win a league that has Prime in it
yeah I mean look at all those team league titles they've won the in the past
I'm looking at Prime's championships and all I see are players that aren't on the team anymore
but hey I guess your rookies going 1-14 is a sign of great things to come
I don't see how Prime's players leaving has anything to do with Startale having no titles oh wait they managed to win 1 IGN team league. I guess that's a nice consolation but it's also kind of funny because it was completely won in the finals by PartinG and Squirtle, 2 players that aren't even on their roster anymore as you pointed out with prime
also it's not like ST really adds much to the IM roster. The only players that have a chance at making an impact are Curious and Life through ZvZ. Maybe Curious in all kill to snipe terrans. ST doesn't have the same powerhouse terrans and protoss that they used to have
On February 13 2014 07:03 Zer atai wrote: IM Startale + Liquid Hero OP. Good Luck. Hope you all do well.
StarTale doesn't need luck to win a league that has Prime in it
yeah I mean look at all those team league titles they've won the in the past
I'm looking at Prime's championships and all I see are players that aren't on the team anymore
but hey I guess your rookies going 1-14 is a sign of great things to come
I don't see how Prime's players leaving has anything to do with Startale having no titles oh wait they managed to win 1 IGN team league. I guess that's a nice consolation but it's also kind of funny because it was completely won in the finals by PartinG and Squirtle, 2 players that aren't even on their roster anymore as you pointed out with prime
also it's not like ST really adds much to the IM roster. The only players that have a chance at making an impact are Curious and Life through ZvZ. Maybe Curious in all kill to snipe terrans. ST doesn't have the same powerhouse terrans and protoss that they used to have
ST has (had) as many players in Code S as IM. Losing Bomber really sucks but 4 Code S players and Hack is a pretty good all-round lineup in its own right
On February 13 2014 07:03 Zer atai wrote: IM Startale + Liquid Hero OP. Good Luck. Hope you all do well.
StarTale doesn't need luck to win a league that has Prime in it
yeah I mean look at all those team league titles they've won the in the past
I'm looking at Prime's championships and all I see are players that aren't on the team anymore
but hey I guess your rookies going 1-14 is a sign of great things to come
I don't see how Prime's players leaving has anything to do with Startale having no titles oh wait they managed to win 1 IGN team league. I guess that's a nice consolation but it's also kind of funny because it was completely won in the finals by PartinG and Squirtle, 2 players that aren't even on their roster anymore as you pointed out with prime
also it's not like ST really adds much to the IM roster. The only players that have a chance at making an impact are Curious and Life through ZvZ. Maybe Curious in all kill to snipe terrans. ST doesn't have the same powerhouse terrans and protoss that they used to have
ST has (had) as many players in Code S as IM. Losing Bomber really sucks but 4 Code S players and Hack is a pretty good all-round lineup in its own right
individual league success doesn't necessarily correlate to team league success and vice versa. Startale limped through the last season of GSTL and many of their players have faltered in team leagues throughout their careers.
I mean sure, players change over time and can get better or worse but let's just look at some of them from the last season of GSTL
I still think this team is inferior to KT and SKT1... Zest comes huge in PL, and props to the KT staff for recognising this in advance. Although he did flop, he - not Flash or TY - was sent out as the ace versus Jinair.
All things being said, I'm still a Khan fan - my boy roro going from strength to strength, and mark my words (Really going out on a limb here) - Stork will come good. Just give him 2 years or so... he's already amazing at actual fights like the broodwarer of old, he just needs to work on his general macro game and mind-games aspect.
That's awesome for the players, I wonder how Startale is looking financially. Is IM about to become some kind of gigantic superteam? Only way this could have been better is if Bomber was still on Startale
On February 13 2014 07:52 StarStruck wrote: *yawn*
I'm still tired of these type of partnerships. Join on your own boys.
It was this or wait until next season (which might not be until a year from now, if at all). Given that Red Bull's sponsorship of StarTale is less significant now than it was and that GSTL is dead, you can't exactly fault them for it.
On February 13 2014 07:52 StarStruck wrote: *yawn*
I'm still tired of these type of partnerships. Join on your own boys.
IM did alright this past round, although I guess it's debatable whether or not having HerO on their roster detracts from that. StarTale would get absolutely obliterated on the other hand...
As for the IM/ST partnership, it certainly helps to have a deeper roster of players to field, and I also hope that all of them practicing together will help both teams regain at least some of their former glory. It's gonna be tough though, that's for sure.
On February 13 2014 07:52 StarStruck wrote: *yawn*
I'm still tired of these type of partnerships. Join on your own boys.
It was this or wait until next season (which might not be until a year from now, if at all). Given that Red Bull's sponsorship of StarTale is less significant now than it was and that GSTL is dead, you can't exactly fault them for it.
On February 13 2014 07:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: So do we rename it IncredibleTale, or StarMiracle.
We rename it Startale and Some Other Team (SSOT)
The other team that had actual teamleauge sucess? Or doesnt need to partner up with another team to avoid being forgotten
Let's not fool ourselves, IM wanted ST because they needed a player that knows exactly how to beat all of them (Life)
Haha has Life really got a winning record vs all of IM?
I'm not sure if he has a winning record against all of them, but he beat pretty much all of IM that one GSL season he won.
Edit: looked it up, winning record against all players even remotely likely to be fielded except Squirtle
My point is they really should have joined with the rest and put the animosity on the back burner because it's best for business in terms of their brand anyway.
On February 13 2014 07:52 StarStruck wrote: *yawn*
I'm still tired of these type of partnerships. Join on your own boys.
You are the only person who looked at a Startale/IM partnership and thought, "yawn".
You're bored of these? Haven't there only really been three of these (including this one)?
I can see where he's coming from though. And certainly neither team looks stellar on its own anymore.
As for past partnerships for Team Leagues, we've had oGs-TL, FOX United, StarTaleQ, EG-TL and AxiomAcer. There was also QIM, before Quantic partnered with StarTale, but as far as I remember that only affected the IPL Team Arena Challenge tournament, and not GSTL. I guess on that note there was also coL.MVP...
Keep in mind that Startale's main sponsor and MVP's main sponsor are competing energy drinks, so that partnership would be out of the question. I just wish that Liquid would've partnered with someone other than IM. Speaking of "western" partnerships with PL teams, I'd still love to see Jaedong and JYP swoop in and save the day for Prime.
On February 13 2014 07:52 StarStruck wrote: *yawn*
I'm still tired of these type of partnerships. Join on your own boys.
You are the only person who looked at a Startale/IM partnership and thought, "yawn".
You're bored of these? Haven't there only really been three of these (including this one)?
I can see where he's coming from though. And certainly neither team looks stellar on its own anymore.
As for past partnerships for Team Leagues, we've had oGs-TL, FOX United, StarTaleQ, EG-TL and AxiomAcer. There was also QIM, before Quantic partnered with StarTale, but as far as I remember that only affected the IPL Team Arena Challenge tournament, and not GSTL.
I see your point for the number of partnerships. I don't really count a lot of those in the same league as this merger. When I said three I was thinking EG-TL, AxiomAcer, and this one simply based on the caliber of teams and their relative strength being fairly close.
The only other thing I'd like to say is that even though the teams aren't looking "stellar" on their own (especially Startale recently) that IM narrowly missed getting into the round 1 playoffs, and were certainly competitive in proleague without this added talent, so I feel there is room for excitement with this partnership.
I mean yea looking back you can say sure Startale should have just joined in the beginning but we don't really know what went on behind the scenes with negotiations, sponsors, and all that other stuff. I don't see how this can hurt proleague to use it as kind of a bandaid to bring popular players into the league early instead of having to wait until next season. It wouldn't make sense for Startale to join mid season and I would be disappointed to see the partnership go any further than that. Like I said earlier though, I don't think it's really going to have a huge impact on results except maybe for 1 or 2 startale players contributing something notable. It could maybe help viewership and stuff though bringing in more startale fans and people that like popular players like Life.
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
not a big sports fan? picking up players in the middle of a season is a pretty huge part of most team sports
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
not a big sports fan? picking up players in the middle of a season is a pretty huge part of most team sports
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
Yeah, but KT and CJ signed players and made them a part of the team. This is kind of like the joker rule in the Acer Teamstory Cup, but with an entire team. It's very excessive.
Guess IM doesn't have much confidence in its own roster lol
On February 13 2014 09:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
Yeah, but KT and CJ signed players and made them a part of the team. This is kind of like the joker rule in the Acer Teamstory Cup, but with an entire team. It's very excessive.
Guess IM doesn't have much confidence in its own roster lol
You're a big axiom-acer fan and you're going to shit on a team league partnership?
On February 13 2014 09:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
Yeah, but KT and CJ signed players and made them a part of the team. This is kind of like the joker rule in the Acer Teamstory Cup, but with an entire team. It's very excessive.
Guess IM doesn't have much confidence in its own roster lol
I don't think it is as much IM blostering their roster. It is likely IM is trying to get some of these players a chance to play. Remember that if you are playing in Korea and not in Code S, you aren't doing much in 3 months except some foreign tournament qualifiers that aren't broadcasted.
On February 13 2014 09:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
Yeah, but KT and CJ signed players and made them a part of the team. This is kind of like the joker rule in the Acer Teamstory Cup, but with an entire team. It's very excessive.
Guess IM doesn't have much confidence in its own roster lol
I don't think it is as much IM blostering their roster. It is likely IM is trying to get some of these players a chance to play. Remember that if you are playing in Korea and not in Code S, you aren't doing much in 3 months except some foreign tournament qualifiers that aren't broadcasted.
That's even worse. It's only a Bo5, meaning that likely only 4 players will be fielded. And IM is already such a large team. And they want to take even more opportunities to play away from their OWN players so that Hero and the Startale players can get some play time? That doesn't make any sense
On February 13 2014 09:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
Yeah, but KT and CJ signed players and made them a part of the team. This is kind of like the joker rule in the Acer Teamstory Cup, but with an entire team. It's very excessive.
Guess IM doesn't have much confidence in its own roster lol
You're a big axiom-acer fan and you're going to shit on a team league partnership?
I am not against all teamleague partnerships, just poorly thought out ones. Axiom-Acer partnership was because the individual teams were too small and had difficultly filling a lineup. In addition, the partnership only added about 2 Acer players (Scarlett and MMA, then MMA and Innovation), so it wasn't an excessive increase in players. The two teams already were sharing a teamhouse, and the players really seemed to mesh well in terms of team culture.
Startale and IM are both massive teams by themselves, and should have no issue filling a Bo5. Plus, look at all the people wondering about whether or not Startale is about to disband. That's bad for Startale. Plus, now you have all these players competing for so few playing spots. You have players like Trap, Squirtle, Byul, Ruin, Mvp, Nestea, etc. etc. etc. IM has an insanely deep roster already, and now the team is giving its own players less of a chance to get playing time.
I hated the EGTL partnership as well (even though it was necessary for PL), because it killed the greatest foreign team rivalry. It all depends on the overall strategy of the partnership, and this one doesn't make sense to me.
On February 13 2014 09:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 13 2014 09:03 iamho wrote: Doesn't seem fair to me to let a team suddenly utilize a different team's players right in the middle of the proleague season.
Why not? KT and CJ recently signed new recruits that will likely show up in round 2, IM just got a lot more via a temporary merger. It's within the rules.
Besides, I don't think this is all that groundbreaking. Realistically, I'd only expect Life and Curious to displace any IM players with maybe Hack subbing in for Byul come the ro16 in WCS AM.
Yeah, but KT and CJ signed players and made them a part of the team. This is kind of like the joker rule in the Acer Teamstory Cup, but with an entire team. It's very excessive.
Guess IM doesn't have much confidence in its own roster lol
I don't think it is as much IM blostering their roster. It is likely IM is trying to get some of these players a chance to play. Remember that if you are playing in Korea and not in Code S, you aren't doing much in 3 months except some foreign tournament qualifiers that aren't broadcasted.
That's even worse. It's only a Bo5, meaning that likely only 4 players will be fielded. And IM is already such a large team. And they want to take even more opportunities to play away from their OWN players so that Hero and the Startale players can get some play time? That doesn't make any sense
Well, most of their own players are in Code S or WCS NA/EU. UngNim was the only one that wasn't (and I guess Lucky now).
On February 13 2014 22:24 Big J wrote: Would hope that in future proleagues both of those teams and maybe another 1-3 foreign teams could compete on their own.
Anyways, sorry Liquid in the bottom right, but... Life+Mvp too sexy. Send TLO to Korea and we can discuss it anew.
Thing is: I would like to see MVP play, he just played a single game this round (iirc).
Startale is not going to die. They are sponsored by red bull. If not RB then who would sponsor esports at all. I feel they gonna stay forever. And for the hype: Lifuuuuu