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On February 04 2014 02:38 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. Its a tournament promoting a movie. By inviting popular people and letting us vote for the other 4 it brings popular people together that we want to watch. Maybe not everyone but many of these players have viewer bases and they bring them along to the tournament. Remember, the tourney is promoting a movie, so it only makes sense that they want as many eyes as possible.
Every tournament wants as many eyes as possible but if you don't take the growth of the scene you're trying to advertise in consideration, you are basicly just milking it to then get out when you're done. I'm sure companies don't care, I don't expect them to, but I do expect people like CatZ (among others) to, considering previous statements.
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I think State has this but Scarlett definitely could aswell!
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On February 04 2014 02:40 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. The problem is you need to grow the scene but you also need people to watch the scene you have while doing it. Having young blood is all well and good but no one is going to watch a bunch of names they don't know so you bring in some well known names to join with qualified fresh blood and you get to see some good games that people watch and hopefully give new blood some exposure and fan base in process.
The obvious solution is to make it a 2 man fan vote and add 2 NA players from an open qualifer. That eliminates plenty of criticism, has plenty of names, and gives strong players the chance to climb to fame over all the old nerds just like how MLG used to be.
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Sweden7978 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:40 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. The problem is you need to grow the scene but you also need people to watch the scene you have while doing it. Having young blood is all well and good but no one is going to watch a bunch of names they don't know so you bring in some well known names to join with qualified fresh blood and you get to see some good games that people watch and hopefully give new blood some exposure and fan base in process.
So how about the top 4 from the previous tournament go direct seeds, top 5-8 go into the the final stages of the open bracket, the rest coming from a standard open bracket qualifier? Fuck it, we can go with the top 8 from the previous one right into the play-offs, just leave some window for the up and coming players who are trying to break out.
I think it's great to see Geoff, Minigun, Major and Scarlett play, but they are not exactly hurting for exposure.
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You know what someone should do, is organize a tournament for this specifically. Imagine just organically creating an atmosphere where all the TL votes go to this tournament winner.
Maybe a bit far fetched but I would certainly be down for putting my vote for something like that. It'd be hard to guarantee though.
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On February 04 2014 02:43 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:40 Adreme wrote:On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. The problem is you need to grow the scene but you also need people to watch the scene you have while doing it. Having young blood is all well and good but no one is going to watch a bunch of names they don't know so you bring in some well known names to join with qualified fresh blood and you get to see some good games that people watch and hopefully give new blood some exposure and fan base in process. The obvious solution is to make it a 2 man fan vote and add 2 NA players from an open qualifer. That eliminates plenty of criticism, has plenty of names, and gives strong players the chance to climb to fame over all the old nerds just like how MLG used to be.
4 invites, 4 qualifiers and 4 fan votes?
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On February 04 2014 02:40 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. The problem is you need to grow the scene but you also need people to watch the scene you have while doing it. Having young blood is all well and good but no one is going to watch a bunch of names they don't know so you bring in some well known names to join with qualified fresh blood and you get to see some good games that people watch and hopefully give new blood some exposure and fan base in process.
Since some people got a big name through the novel way, by being good, some would qualify if there were qualifiers. Honestly, this is just laziness and coddling at its finest.
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On February 04 2014 02:42 scBaldwin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:38 ZeromuS wrote:On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. Its a tournament promoting a movie. By inviting popular people and letting us vote for the other 4 it brings popular people together that we want to watch. Maybe not everyone but many of these players have viewer bases and they bring them along to the tournament. Remember, the tourney is promoting a movie, so it only makes sense that they want as many eyes as possible. They would not receive any less viewers if they opened up just one or two spots to be qualified for. In fact, most in this thread are asking for exactly that.
Exactly. Instead of so many invites, make half of them attainable through qualifyers. Then you have your quota of top players (that mb without an invite would never play in the qualifyers), of up and coming players (through qualifyers) and 'popular' players (through voting, or voting/invites if you want).
I don't think the pool of players would be so different, but we would have a couple of players who practice their *** off to have this kind of opportunity.
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So, what I'm wondering is, the money is obviously great, but will Lionsgate supply any know-how? Production expertise, etc etc?
That's what I would love to see, people who do production at the highest levels showing eSports how to do it.
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Sweden7978 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:47 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:40 Adreme wrote:On February 04 2014 02:34 Munk200 wrote:On February 04 2014 02:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 04 2014 02:28 nkr wrote:On February 04 2014 02:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On February 04 2014 02:13 nkr wrote:
more charity for the old boys club and fan favorites, not helping the na scene as much as a real tournament would
still going to watch though, some interesting names :>
hope it's successful To be fair it does include MOST of the best players in NA. Major, State, Vibe, Scarlett, Desrow (just made premier), Masa (just made premier) so it's not like they only grabbed popular players. Point is to grow the scene you need to give the opportunity to everyone, not just the ones who are famous. Sure, the tournament needs to make sure it's successful and gets viewers. However it makes me sad to see CatZ spearheading this thing when he has been one of the more vocal people about creating opportunities for NA players, in order to grow the scene. All this does is create opportunity for the ones who were already well off in comparison to everyone else in NA. This. Seriously wtf? It's better for the competition if there is a qualifier anyways, that way the people who are there deserve to be there, and not just get an invite off name value alone. NA is probably the worst at doing this, as almost every tournament is invite, and "fan vote" is probably the most retarded way to invite players to a tournament. I agree with everything said here. The problem is you need to grow the scene but you also need people to watch the scene you have while doing it. Having young blood is all well and good but no one is going to watch a bunch of names they don't know so you bring in some well known names to join with qualified fresh blood and you get to see some good games that people watch and hopefully give new blood some exposure and fan base in process. Since some people got a big name through the novel way, by being good, some would qualify if there were qualifiers. Honestly, this is just laziness and coddling at its finest.
It's worth bearing in mind, if there were no open brackets and smaller online cups, we would never have known who Stephano or Scarlett or Naniwa were. Everyone has to start somewhere. If MLG can be a part of creating the next NA wunderkind, then that would be amazing PR.
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seems like a nice get together of ghosts from the pasts :D
I approve.
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More money for Scarlett. But super cool this is happening.
Though I'm not crazy about the invites, who has been invited, and the no chance for unknowns to get involved.
Also, though I enjoyed Destiny and Catz's casting, I'd much prefer to see them (well, at least Catz) playing.
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dae aliev gaem?
For real though, this is awesome news. I like the player list as well. =] Should be a good time
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On February 04 2014 02:51 echO [W] wrote:
So, what I'm wondering is, the money is obviously great, but will Lionsgate supply any know-how? Production expertise, etc etc?
That's what I would love to see, people who do production at the highest levels showing eSports how to do it.
I would assume Lionsgate is just offering the prize and leaving the other stuff to MLG
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Let's all support NA scene by having tournaments with invites and popularity votings to invite more people, will def make the scene grow!
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No qualifiers is really annoying. I hope this new trend of gimmicky tournaments (hi Kennigit) doesn't become the norm, just because it might attract more viewers. It's hardly ethical for one.
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I love the lineup, but probably I won't watch it. Last time tried but I simply can't stand CatZ plus Destiny. For me it was most boring and unprofessional cast I have ever seen. Last MLG was the first time when I was interested in watching games, but I simply just couldn't because of the casters 
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Did they invite any koreans? There's quite a few in NA.
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