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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 08:23:01
January 28 2014 08:09 GMT
#1
After losing to herO and Zest in Code A, Stork was interviewed (strangely) and he expressed frustration over GOM's booth's soundproofing. TRUE (JinAir), after his winning, was interviewed and he also call out the soundproof issue.

Interview (shortened) with Stork

Q: So you said it was the audience's voice that your hidden probe was exposed.

Stork: I can hear the casters and audience' voice today. PvP relies on the opening. If these voices can be heard, then the strategy is probably exposed. In most games today, I was the one who moved first. Hearing these voices made my unable to concentrate. I can hear "Ah!" when I play and it makes me very uneasy. If the audience's voice is smaller than the game's sound then it's ok but now it is the opposite, which you will take notice of. For example, in the game with Zest, I can hear 'Ah!!!', and then my proxy stargate was scouted.

Q: Why did you pause?

Stork: I heard "Ah" but if my opponent says he didn't hear "Ah", then people will probably say that I am the one who acts like an ass. In the last match, when I heard "Ah" from the audience, my probe was scouted. It's so frustrating. But if my opponent truly didn't hear, then I can't do anything about it. Even if I type "PP", the things (probe and proxy) have already happened, so it won't help. I hope this won't happen next time.

Interview (shortened) with TRUE (JinAIR)

Q: Recently, Stork said he can hear the caster's voice in game. What do you think?

TRUE: If the caster's voice is too loud, it is possible to hear. If the music stops (translator: he probably mean the background music in the casting), then you can hear it very clearly. I think something should be done here.

Source: http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=380198&extra=page=1

http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=380162&extra=page=1
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 28 2014 08:17 GMT
#2
Hopefully that wasn't why he lost. Need Stork in Code S already! :D
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
January 28 2014 08:18 GMT
#3
This should be priority number one for GOM.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 28 2014 08:25 GMT
#4
ouch, well, that needs fixing if it's a case. They should run a test trial and simulate what happened then she if it is infact the case that there is problems with soundproofing.
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hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 08:31:28
January 28 2014 08:31 GMT
#5
STORKU YOU CAN STILL QUALIFY GO GO GO !
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Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
January 28 2014 08:31 GMT
#6
GOM has really gone downhill recently. First it was World of Tanks, then the switch to Twitch and now this soundproofing issue.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 28 2014 09:03 GMT
#7
i've always heard the GOM booths are the best, hrm.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 28 2014 09:07 GMT
#8
I can't imagine how something like this can go unnoticed for so long, they have been in the new studio for quite some time now, right? O.o
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
January 28 2014 09:08 GMT
#9
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Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
January 28 2014 12:03 GMT
#10
On January 28 2014 18:03 opterown wrote:
i've always heard the GOM booths are the best, hrm.


Just propaganda during the gomtv-kespa tussle. And since blizzard was on gom's side, the english troopers spread this nonsense. Any reasonable man would know an organization organizing tournaments for more than 10+ years and also delegated responsibility for rules and referees would be best equipped for it.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 28 2014 12:11 GMT
#11
On January 28 2014 21:03 Kheve wrote:
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On January 28 2014 18:03 opterown wrote:
i've always heard the GOM booths are the best, hrm.

Just propaganda during the gomtv-kespa tussle. And since blizzard was on gom's side, the english troopers spread this nonsense. Any reasonable man would know an organization organizing tournaments for more than 10+ years and also delegated responsibility for rules and referees would be best equipped for it.

no, it was said clearly by the players, including kespa dudes
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CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
January 28 2014 12:16 GMT
#12
Hey now that ESF is dead Kespa can go back to boycotting GOM eventually, I think commander Stork just planting the first seed.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 28 2014 12:16 GMT
#13
kespa cannot afford to boycott gom lol wtf
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
January 28 2014 12:46 GMT
#14
How do tournaments that don't use booths pull it off then? Like IEM? Or Dreamhack? All they have sometimes are just headphones.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 12:49:31
January 28 2014 12:49 GMT
#15
On January 28 2014 17:09 larse wrote:
For example, in the game with Zest, I can hear 'Ah!!!', and then my proxy stargate was scouted.


And in his interview, Zest said that GOM booths were the best booths he ever played in. I can see why now.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 28 2014 13:26 GMT
#16
On January 28 2014 21:46 geokilla wrote:
How do tournaments that don't use booths pull it off then? Like IEM? Or Dreamhack? All they have sometimes are just headphones.


Dreamhack have booths but IEM/ESL usually do not (don't think I've ever seen them have one). Worst I've seen was in WCS EU when Grubby didn't even have the proper headset, it was just an ordinary one for audio.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 28 2014 13:31 GMT
#17
On January 28 2014 21:49 Pangpootata wrote:
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On January 28 2014 17:09 larse wrote:
For example, in the game with Zest, I can hear 'Ah!!!', and then my proxy stargate was scouted.


And in his interview, Zest said that GOM booths were the best booths he ever played in. I can see why now.


Lol that booth advantage.
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shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
January 28 2014 13:42 GMT
#18
So we are hearing no complaint about this until he played in group G? I am not saying that they are liars, but it is really weird that all of those other players played a week before Stork and TRUE and we didn't hear a single word.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 28 2014 13:49 GMT
#19
On January 28 2014 22:42 shockaslim wrote:
So we are hearing no complaint about this until he played in group G? I am not saying that they are liars, but it is really weird that all of those other players played a week before Stork and TRUE and we didn't hear a single word.


I'm inclined to believe stork because he's always been a no-bullsh-shit straigh talking veteran who's not afraid to admit his mistakes and weakness and speak honestly about the scene.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 28 2014 13:57 GMT
#20
Hmm interesting issues. Reminds me of that famous issue....one Jinro vs IdrA series on Jungle Basin (WHAT A FUCKING MAP <3). Ahhh how we thought those days were over >.<
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
January 28 2014 14:00 GMT
#21
On January 28 2014 18:03 opterown wrote:
i've always heard the GOM booths are the best, hrm.


All the previous interviews in which players said GOM booth is the best were referring to the booth's comfortability, because it was much larger than the OGN's.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 28 2014 14:21 GMT
#22
Sounds like less of a booth and more of a sound and speaker placement issue. Also, sound proofing head phones and gear are far more effective than any booth will ever be. That with white noise could be aich easier fixing the problem.
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
January 28 2014 14:30 GMT
#23
On January 28 2014 21:16 ChoiSulli wrote:
Hey now that ESF is dead Kespa can go back to boycotting GOM eventually, I think commander Stork just planting the first seed.


Yes boycott the only consistent individual league in Korea. Which also leads to qualification in a tournament where the winner earns a crapload of money. Brilliant
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 28 2014 14:37 GMT
#24
Just came to think of the upcoming IEM Katowice. Now imagine 10.000 screaming fans with the players open on the stage (unless they change that). That shit will be absolutely insane. :D
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9164 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 14:44:59
January 28 2014 14:39 GMT
#25
People need to understand that at the point where booths are literally plastic and plywood, they provide little noise security other than a placebo for the viewership. Stop skimping out on five dollar earmuffs that do nothing but keep ears slightly warm. Buy some actual earmuffs like 500 dollar Peltors that provide 27db noise reduction, and require real in-ear monitors that provide even more noise reduction.

This problem isn't just present for GOM. Having been to multiple events over the past years, booths are the most fraudulent thing and everyone seems to think they are sound-proof. All they do is ruin shots of players because of internal reflections on the shitty plastic 'glass' and provide branding space for a marketing department.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 28 2014 14:40 GMT
#26
Stork ears to op for the booth. Was probably a speaker issue though as mentioned earlier.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 16:31:17
January 28 2014 14:41 GMT
#27
On January 28 2014 23:30 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 21:16 ChoiSulli wrote:
Hey now that ESF is dead Kespa can go back to boycotting GOM eventually, I think commander Stork just planting the first seed.


Yes boycott the only consistent individual league in Korea. Which also leads to qualification in a tournament where the winner earns a crapload of money. Brilliant


Personally I think you're being rather over-optimistic here. That is the situation as it currently is; but it doesn't have to stay that way.

Lets be honest, KeSPA does not have a good record as far as GOM goes and would just love to force them out of the scene. Remember the OSL/GSL boycott that the now-deceased eSF sorted out by fighting back? Without the eSF now there's nobody to retaliate, especially given there aren't many Korean non-KeSPA teams anyway. GOM is completely exposed to KeSPA's whims.

By boycotting the GSL they could fatally undermine its legitimacy within a season or two. They simply step in with their own tournament to take over. GOM is left with nothing in the SC2 scene and KeSPA has its monopoly back.


Yes it may sound paranoid but still...this is KeSPA we're talking about. >_>
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
January 28 2014 14:44 GMT
#28
Why does this kind of issue still exist? It's as if we are still in 2000.
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itsdaniel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Austria334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 14:59:22
January 28 2014 14:58 GMT
#29
Im pretty sure nearly all the younger players wouldn't say anything because it would cause drama and give them a bad rep but seeing his game esp vs. hero, I knew that something was off. The way hero scouted & microed that stalker, I was 100% sure there was something strange about it. Even if something couldve been seen for a split second it doesn't mean that a player will instantly see and react accordingly but a reaction by the crowd which can be heard can reveal everything...at the end, it's not good for us, the viewers.

Stork is by many kespa progamers seen as a spokesperson because of his age & status. At least I hope that something like this won't happen again...
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