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Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
Originally, only twelve new players were to be determined last weekend. Due to the retirement of duckdeok from StarCraft II, as well as Lucifron quitting WCS, two more spots became available. Having gathered the most WCS points in WCS Europe 2013, Mvp takes duckdeok's place and advances to the Premier League. Mvp's and Lucifron's Challenger spots have been filled with the seventh and eighth place finishers (Revolver and strinterN) of yesterday's Wildcard Qualifier. 
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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ratty
New Zealand275 Posts
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fastr
France902 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Nahsom
Austria361 Posts
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
Great news. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:48 Sakray wrote: Well he's not even that good anymore, so... They said the same last time and the time before that | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:48 Sakray wrote: Well he's not even that good anymore, so... I hear that this Boxer had the same problem and never made any amazing comebacks ever..... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:51 DarkLordOlli wrote: They said the same last time and the time before that Waxangel is forbidden from speaking poorly about MVP. Just throwing that out there. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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TiberiusAk
United States122 Posts
Edit: I just noticed it Mvp's case it was points from WCS EU, not WCS generally. My statement is probably wrong, Revival at least got more points than Taeja in WCS AM alone, maybe others did too. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:57 Boucot wrote: It's completely logical to give Mvp the spot in Premier League but I don't understand why the 7th-8th players of the Wildcard Qualifier deserve the Challenger spots more than the guys from the other qualifiers. Koreans. It was a harder qualifier than the others. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:00 Wingblade wrote: Koreans. It was a harder qualifier than the others. No it was not. OK there were a couple of koreans but all the top European players already qualified before. Qualifiers 1&2 were way harder. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:51 DarkLordOlli wrote: They said the same last time and the time before that which time was last time? When ShowTime eliminated him? Or when JD 3-0ed him... | ||
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Kegbo
9 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:04 Popkiller wrote: which time was last time? When ShowTime eliminated him? Or when JD 3-0ed him... The last time Mvp played he had a pretty good showing at IEM, he beat Curious 4-1 in maps and 4-0 with Mech builds. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:04 Popkiller wrote: which time was last time? When ShowTime eliminated him? Or when JD 3-0ed him... To be fair, JD was still destined for 2nd place at that point. (I'm thinking of the right tournament right?) | ||
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Paragleiber
413 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:02 Boucot wrote: No it was not. OK there were a couple of koreans but all the top European players already qualified before. Qualifiers 1&2 were way harder. But weren't the people who lost in 1 and 2 allowed to try again in the last one? If yes, then I think it is alright. | ||
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TerranMan
United States114 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:18 TerranMan wrote: isnt naniwa already granted a spot? No he's in Challenger. Mvp was promoted from Challenger to Premier. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:48 Sakray wrote: Well he's not even that good anymore, so... I hope you believe that, because everytime people seriously doubt him, he kicks serious ass. | ||
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Farmer Poopy
258 Posts
EDIT: Tbh I was really looking foward to MVP vs Lucifron in Challenger. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:04 Popkiller wrote: which time was last time? When ShowTime eliminated him? Or when JD 3-0ed him... The time he won WCS EU and the time he won Code S for the 4th time And the time he should've won the G5L trophy against Life but settled for second place And the time he won IEM Cologne And the time he almost knocked out Innovation and beat him after being 30 SCVs down And the time he came back to destroy Curious with mech 4 times in a row just recently. | ||
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lystier
China877 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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aeligos
United States172 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:53 DarkLordOlli wrote: The time he won WCS EU and the time he won Code S for the 4th time And the time he should've won the G5L trophy against Life but settled for second place And the time he won IEM Cologne And the time he almost knocked out Innovation and beat him after being 30 SCVs down And the time he came back to destroy Curious with mech 4 times in a row just recently. So not too recently for the most part. Got it | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 14 2014 10:37 Zenbrez wrote: So not too recently for the most part. Got it IEM Singapore was 2 months ago. What other tournament could he have shown himself in? | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Knowerz
Canada65 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:14 Paragleiber wrote: But weren't the people who lost in 1 and 2 allowed to try again in the last one? If yes, then I think it is alright. Yes, my sentiments too. (At least they could if they had the right number of wins/league level.) The most logical replacements for the qualifiers is from the Wildcard. | ||
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FoShao
United States256 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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omisa
United States494 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On January 14 2014 11:24 Wingblade wrote: I can't wait to watch Mvp get crushed in the ro32 it's going to be satisfying. He did decently well in one tournament, got crushed at Blizzcon, and doesn't play in anything else. Looks like just pandering to Mvps popularity. But hey i guess I couldn't blame them Not really, he did the best based on WCS points compared to everyone else in WCS EU last year who hasn't qualified already. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On January 14 2014 12:56 Moka wrote: Some of you just don't want to learn. MVP will make eat your words all over again. Again? He'll make you eat your words all over again. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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ETisME
12884 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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Mikku
Czech Republic58 Posts
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On January 14 2014 10:37 Zenbrez wrote: So not too recently for the most part. Got it The thing is, most of those events were "not too recent" before the next one happened. So yes, not too recent for the most part. That's the point. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On January 14 2014 15:27 Gorlin wrote: The thing is, most of those events were "not too recent" before the next one happened. So yes, not too recent for the most part. That's the point. why you try to argue with trolls ? | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
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rhin0x
Poland21 Posts
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
On January 14 2014 10:18 SC2John wrote: EM VEE PEE, EM VEE PEE!!!! This  | ||
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Khai
Australia553 Posts
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DeG3n
Germany130 Posts
I think they should play them out between all qualifier's 7th and 8th... | ||
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TheInsane
Canada15 Posts
I love MVP, but giving away spots? No. They should be earned. It cheapens the authenticity of the competition if you do something like this. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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Dinotramp
Nauru2871 Posts
On January 14 2014 16:59 TheInsane wrote: This is uncool. I love MVP, but giving away spots? No. They should be earned. It cheapens the authenticity of the competition if you do something like this. Really? They had to promote someone and it makes sense to do it to the best player from last year in that Region. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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calh
537 Posts
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TheInsane
Canada15 Posts
On January 14 2014 17:16 Dinotramp wrote: Really? They had to promote someone and it makes sense to do it to the best player from last year in that Region. Yes really. They shouldn't have promoted anyone, they should have held an extra qualifier for that spot. | ||
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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On January 14 2014 11:24 Wingblade wrote: I can't wait to watch Mvp get crushed in the ro32 it's going to be satisfying. He did decently well in one tournament, got crushed at Blizzcon, and doesn't play in anything else. Looks like just pandering to Mvps popularity. But hey i guess I couldn't blame them It's gotta suck going through life being so bitter. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 14 2014 16:59 TheInsane wrote: This is uncool. I love MVP, but giving away spots? No. They should be earned. It cheapens the authenticity of the competition if you do something like this. I understand where you are coming from. But with many of the tournaments having invites (even the original WCS EU/NA), I don't think this one is as big since they actually used WCS points from last year. Hardly any tournament is full qualifier based nowadays. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:48 Sakray wrote: Well he's not even that good anymore, so... Now you've said that all I can think is "Mvp WCS EU Champion". Never doubt Mvp's ability to turn up and just win, regardless of his perceived strength. You'd have thought people would learn that after the Code S run when he won the final against Squirtle. >_> | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:43 Fjodorov wrote: All hail the King. church | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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di4m0nd
United States297 Posts
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:04 Popkiller wrote: which time was last time? When ShowTime eliminated him? Or when JD 3-0ed him... Isn't JD that player that has only ever won one tournament? And that too the least premier of the premier tournaments. Even when Mvp is bad, he can win. But even at his best, JD doesn't. | ||
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
On January 15 2014 01:39 redviper wrote: Isn't JD that player that has only ever won one tournament? And that too the least premier of the premier tournaments. Even when Mvp is bad, he can win. But even at his best, JD doesn't. oh you really have started something now! | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:03 liberate71 wrote: It's gotta suck going through life being so bitter. Because I don't like Mvp and think he's overrated? Ok. I guess I'm obligated to like a guy who cheesed one of my favorite players out of a GSL title? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 14 2014 08:52 Vindicare605 wrote: Waxangel is forbidden from speaking poorly about MVP. Just throwing that out there. Did waxangel ever send MVP that apology for his writing during IEM cologne. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:30 Wingblade wrote: Because I don't like Mvp and think he's overrated? Ok. I guess I'm obligated to like a guy who cheesed one of my favorite players out of a GSL title? I think you ment outplayed. It's a common mistake to think that playing a bo7 with a couple all ins is cheese. Don't hate him for outsmarting his opponent and having ice in his vains. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:30 Wingblade wrote: Because I don't like Mvp and think he's overrated? Ok. I guess I'm obligated to like a guy who cheesed one of my favorite players out of a GSL title? Not liking Mvp is fine. Calling him overrated cheeser is laughably ignorant | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
You'll see. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 15 2014 03:33 ffadicted wrote: Not liking Mvp is fine. Calling him overrated cheeser is laughably ignorant I said he cheesed in one game and right now he currently is overrated... There's no denying his legacy in the past, but right now he is not good enough to win at the highest level. He cheesed in the one game, that's what it was. Don't twist my words around please. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 15 2014 03:40 Wingblade wrote: I said he cheesed in one game and right now he currently is overrated... There's no denying his legacy in the past, but right now he is not good enough to win at the highest level. He cheesed in the one game, that's what it was. Don't twist my words around please. so overrated that taeja/hero had the same results at blizzcon which is your main argument. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 15 2014 03:40 Wingblade wrote: I said he cheesed in one game and right now he currently is overrated... There's no denying his legacy in the past, but right now he is not good enough to win at the highest level. He cheesed in the one game, that's what it was. Don't twist my words around please. Noone say Mvp is the best player right now, they are just happy for him because he is one of the most likable person in the sc2 industry. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 15 2014 03:40 Wingblade wrote: I said he cheesed in one game and right now he currently is overrated... There's no denying his legacy in the past, but right now he is not good enough to win at the highest level. He cheesed in the one game, that's what it was. Don't twist my words around please. hmm while I also thought he was a bit overrated in HoTS, taking Innovation to a game 5 after a sick recovery in game 4 (that mech game, was it 3?) then doing ok at blizzcon meant that he's at least able to hang around with the top players atm. That cheese was bold though, like Jaedong bold. He got my respects for that although I'm not a big fan of him or anything since I missed his domination period. I think having him play in RO32 will just make the tournament better overall | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:08 BigFan wrote: hmm while I also thought he was a bit overrated in HoTS, taking Innovation to a game 5 after a sick recovery in game 4 (that mech game, was it 3?) then doing ok at blizzcon meant that he's at least able to hang around with the top players atm. That cheese was bold though, like Jaedong bold. He got my respects for that although I'm not a big fan of him or anything since I missed his domination period. I think having him play in RO32 will just make the tournament better overall It's fair to give the slot to Mvp because if someone is going to make it for free it should be the person currently in Challenger who had the most WCS EU points last year. Since that's Mvp, that's fine with me. As for his actual form, it's hard to say because he played so darn little in 2013 after S1. He didn't get very far in either S2 or S3, played a grand total of ONE game in GSTL all year (a loss against Scarlett--she all-inned him with mass banelings if I remember right?), and he got eliminated so quickly from Blizzcon that it was hard to gauge him. . so I don't know if using mass hellbats against Jaedong on Derelict indicates that Mvp was still stuck in his pre-hellbat-nerf days or that he intentionally pulled out an "obsolete," unexpected build. We'll have to see. | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 15 2014 08:05 Yakikorosu wrote: It's fair to give the slot to Mvp because if someone is going to make it for free it should be the person currently in Challenger who had the most WCS EU points last year. Since that's Mvp, that's fine with me. As for his actual form, it's hard to say because he played so darn little in 2013 after S1. He didn't get very far in either S2 or S3, played a grand total of ONE game in GSTL all year (a loss against Scarlett--she all-inned him with mass banelings if I remember right?), and he got eliminated so quickly from Blizzcon that it was hard to gauge him. . so I don't know if using mass hellbats against Jaedong on Derelict indicates that Mvp was still stuck in his pre-hellbat-nerf days or that he intentionally pulled out an "obsolete," unexpected build. We'll have to see. of course, I don't think it's a bad idea to give it to mvp especially if he had the most points but didn't qualify or something. Just pointing out that he went toe to toe with Innovation when he was in beast mode and almost won. That by itself showed that his skills are still there and he can be a potential champion again. | ||
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vjcamarena
Spain493 Posts
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