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egernya
Canada352 Posts
Yoda and First's contracts with IM are now expired, and it seems like they will find new teams. They are looking for foreign teams, and they have already chosen Europe for their WCS. IM Coach Kang said, "It's true that the contracts are expired. It's a shame that we didn't support them good enough. Good luck for the players in their new teams." 
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
 GL to both of them. | ||
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Zygno
Austria276 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:24 tar wrote: I think mouz has 2 open spots...though I'd be rather mad if they dropped maNa to pick up more Koreans I think when these things happen, you can't exclusively think that it's the team dropping the players. It can also very well be the players own wish. From my experience, it is actually more often than not the players themselves that wants to part ways either to for a breath of fresh air, or because he believe he is worth more than what was being offered. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:28 Bumblebee wrote: I think when these things happen, you can't exclusively think that it's the team dropping the players. It can also very well be the players own wish. From my experience, it is actually more often than not the players themselves that wants to part ways either to for a breath of fresh air, or because he believe he is worth more than what was being offered. Well certainly a 5 man proleague doesn't help teams who have large rosters, because it reduces opportunities to play, and there's still a smaller number of WCS events like last year, so they probably see more chance to earn money and play abroad, since 3 or 4 WCS per year and maybe a handful of proleague games might not be appealing, from a leaving IM perspective obviously, not Mana. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:28 Bumblebee wrote: I think when these things happen, you can't exclusively think that it's the team dropping the players. It can also very well be the players own wish. From my experience, it is actually more often than not the players themselves that wants to part ways either to for a breath of fresh air, or because he believe he is worth more than what was being offered. mhhh haven't looked at it from this perspective. I shall redraft: mouz should have offered maNa more to make him stay with the team :D I guess I am just being a bit nostalgic here with only Hasuobs remaining from the "old" team. | ||
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
oh and im guessing innovation will qualify through ladder as well? unless hes going back to korea | ||
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Too much sadness in such little time. Maybe Acer will finally get a protoss and pick up First or something. | ||
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Aeromi
France14460 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:02 nkr wrote: so, they have to be top 4 players on the EU ladder to even get in challenger. GL when jjakji is playing. I wonder if they really understand the new wcs system ; ; oh and im guessing innovation will qualify through ladder as well? unless hes going back to korea jjakji is going to play normal qualifier not the wildcard system. Innovation will play WCS KR. | ||
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lystier
China877 Posts
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ETisME
12396 Posts
yoda too T T | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:15 Aeromi wrote:Innovation will play WCS KR. Alright. At least something looking bright in kr terran land. :D | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:20 m0ck wrote: Wp blizzard How is this Blizzard's fault, exactly? | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
It's been Blizzard all along. First 9-11, than the NSA and now this. It's all part of their evil plan to take over the world. Don't be so naive. | ||
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MysterySC
Andorra109 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 31 2013 23:09 Big J wrote: Can't they just hold all the WCS in Korea? It would be much cheaper for the teams to bring the few Europeans and Americans to Korea that reach the offline stages, than to fly half of the Koreans out for a few days. Hope you're semi-trolling? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 31 2013 23:09 Big J wrote: Can't they just hold all the WCS in Korea? It would be much cheaper for the teams to bring the few Europeans and Americans to Korea that reach the offline stages, than to fly half of the Koreans out for a few days. If blizzard wants to make sure I watch zero SC2, they should do that. Time zones alone are enough to make that plan really stupid. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
It's frustrating. WCS was supposed to give us regional champions. Instead we have a watered down WCS Korea, basically no American proscene left and Europe slowly diminishing too. | ||
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lamehater
Sweden100 Posts
On December 31 2013 23:25 Big J wrote: It's frustrating. WCS was supposed to give us regional champions. Instead we have a watered down WCS Korea, basically no American proscene left and Europe slowly diminishing too. As far as I'm considered, WCS should be a place for the best of the best. I cannot see why there's even an argument to support players just because they're from a specific region. It's their job to become the best they can be, not Blizzard's job to give worse players free money. | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:40 juicyjames wrote: Do we know if they plan on moving to Europe or not? I'm okay with it as long as they move there and support the scene by mingling with the EU scene, playing with the players, and raising the level of competition. The problem is unless they get a team and have a team house it would be almost impossible for them to do that. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 31 2013 23:40 AWalker9 wrote: The problem is unless they get a team and have a team house it would be almost impossible for them to do that. There are a bunch of teams in Europe with team houses. I don't know if they have to money for Yoda and/or First specifically, but there's no shortage of teams that could house players in a perfect world. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44336 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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Twine
France246 Posts
Mouz.Yoda | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
I hope europe holds and send them back home quickly, lets cheese them all in qualifiers ! Not to be an ass but those 2 players unlike some other koreans (NaRa,MMA,wacK,ForGG,daisy,Stardust,Jjakji,dragon...) have literally nothing to do in europe, they have been showing absolutely no interest in the EU scene for ages (no online tournament and only coming to the event they were invited ie : no qualifier participation ), they don't speak English, they don't stream...NOTHING. If some korean wants to come in EU fine but at least give us some that have showed interest in our scene before (Solar,Trend,emotion....). Really screw those 2. | ||
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TrOn_sc2
Germany91 Posts
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ETisME
12396 Posts
On December 31 2013 23:49 shid0x wrote: So as far as i understand they will have to go trough the wildcards qualifiers since they are not legal resident of the EU. I hope europe holds and send them back home quickly, lets cheese them all in qualifiers ! Not to be an ass but those 2 players unlike some other koreans (NaRa,MMA,wacK,ForGG,daisy,Stardust,Jjakji,dragon...) have literally nothing to do in europe, they have been showing absolutely no interest in the EU scene for ages (no online tournament and only coming to the event they were invited ie : no qualifier participation ), they don't speak English, they don't stream...NOTHING. If some korean wants to come in EU fine but at least give us some that have showed interest in our scene before (Solar,Trend,emotion....). Really screw those 2. then give them a chance here. we haven't even seen how they are going to perform and shine in the EU scene | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:06 Ravomat wrote: First pretty much tries to cheese his way to GM currently. Killed his cannon rush earlier today. His goal is 200 wins, not GM. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:06 Ravomat wrote: First pretty much tries to cheese his way to GM currently. Killed his cannon rush earlier today. He played normally vs me, Phoenix opening into expand in PvP. I won though, lag is a bitch ;(. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
Yea, whatever. That wasn't the point. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
He needs 200 wins to be eligible, and he needs them fast, so he's playing games the fast way. He's not cheesing his way to GM he's cheesing his way to what he needs to get by the deadline (4th Jan to have the best chance as it means he can play in all the qualifiers) Your Battle.net-Account of the current or recent season has to be at least at the level of Master League and needs to list 200 wins or more. | ||
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BlackVision
Germany5 Posts
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:27 Lonyo wrote: He needs 200 wins to be eligible, and he needs them fast, so he's playing games the fast way. He's not cheesing his way to GM he's cheesing his way to what he needs to get by the deadline (4th Jan to have the best chance as it means he can play in all the qualifiers) Thanks for explaining something I understood the first time. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
Rule number 1 on this forum. It is ALWAYS Blizzard's fault or they need to fix it. I remember people claiming Blizzard should fix international relationships to help the players. | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:15 Aeromi wrote: Innovation will play WCS KR. That's my hero! | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:19 Marou wrote: mouz.Yoda mouz.First First here you heard it. | ||
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:28 BlackVision wrote: here something you will not expect! i think one could join alien invasion I bet against it. I think AI signs Arthur  | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
Then what was your point? That you won against a player with massive lag just trying to rank up wins by either quickly winning or losing? I am sure you are proud of yourself. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
He fears no challenge | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:32 Assirra wrote: Rule number 1 on this forum. It is ALWAYS Blizzard's fault or they need to fix it. I remember people claiming Blizzard should fix international relationships to help the players. Remember when people wanted Blizzard to solve player specific Visa problem? That was my favorite. | ||
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EpicDemente
Chile202 Posts
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:37 EpicDemente wrote: Millenium.First and Millenium.Yoda That would be great actually, plus they have teamhouse in france. | ||
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Aeromi
France14460 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:39 Niko_Thien wrote: That would be great actually, plus they have teamhouse in france. No way. | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:35 Assirra wrote: Then what was your point? That you won against a player with massive lag just trying to rank up wins by either quickly winning or losing? I am sure you are proud of yourself. What are you angry about? Had no breakfast? I merely said he's going for easy wins. | ||
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
Okay, than alternate attax needs to surprise us all :D with socke as player-coach :D | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:40 tar wrote: mhhh haven't looked at it from this perspective. I shall redraft: mouz should have offered maNa more to make him stay with the team :D I guess I am just being a bit nostalgic here with only Hasuobs remaining from the "old" team. mouz didn't renew their foreigner contracts because their performance have been lacklustered for most of them and their sponsors want results -> koreans. For the IM player I think their wish and IM plans are to different to continue together. | ||
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Yrr
Germany804 Posts
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:26 herMan wrote: IM still has a pretty ridiculous lineup even after these guys walk. It's cool to see players mobilizing from Korea to compete in foreign lands. ridiculous lineup ? | ||
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Aridhol
Germany59 Posts
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Pinnacle55
Singapore173 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:52 Ravomat wrote: What are you angry about? Had no breakfast? I merely said he's going for fast wins. Fixed that for you. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On January 01 2014 00:52 Ravomat wrote: What are you angry about? Had no breakfast? I merely said he's going for easy wins. What is HE feeling angry about?? Feeling pugnacious are we? | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On January 01 2014 01:42 tili wrote: What is HE feeling angry about?? Feeling pugnacious are we? Just slightly. Though I really don't understand his aggressive tone. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On January 01 2014 01:50 BaneRiders wrote: I'm getting more and more curious about the new qualifier format and I really hope there will be a lot of casters following this as well! The qualifiers, and particularly with the 4th qualifier for the 6 wild cards, have the potential to be more interesting than the challenger matches imo! I just wish that we could get rid of all the barcode names to easier see who has 200 wins on the Gm ladder. Ya Barcode name are pretty annoying, especially when trying to figure out things like that. There should be a database or something with all the known Barcodes for easy referencing. I know that kinda defeats the purpose of a barcode, but it's not like during a game someone will pull up the database and go search for the one they are playing. So it could work. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:15 Aeromi wrote: jjakji is going to play normal qualifier not the wildcard system. https://twitter.com/mYiPengWin/status/416702088786104320 Innovation will play WCS KR. I thought, this would´nt be possible anymore; I mean, Sase was´nt allowed to play the taiwanese qualifiers, because of the new partial region lock, is there a great difference between his situation and Jjakjis? | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
Good luck to him and Yoda | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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stefantheterran
Austria61 Posts
Or then Mouz just ran out of money or interest in SC2 and won't hire anybody, is also possible. we'll see | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 01 2014 02:42 JustPassingBy wrote: Are they interested in moving to Europe or are they just interested in participating WCS EU? Probably the latter. Europe holds a special significance to them I would guess, as both of them won their only premier tournaments in EU | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 01 2014 02:12 Xoronius wrote: I thought, this would´nt be possible anymore; I mean, Sase was´nt allowed to play the taiwanese qualifiers, because of the new partial region lock, is there a great difference between his situation and Jjakjis? Jjakji lives in Switzerland with a visa and is part of a european team | ||
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monsta
172 Posts
(for example: Scarlett's ZvT is now really really really good since innovation joined his team) | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On January 01 2014 03:20 monsta wrote: i love this actually because of these koreans who want to play in wcs EU the play level of the foreigners in europe will raise a little bit (for example: Scarlett's ZvT is now really really really good since innovation joined his team)This is a myth, if I ever saw one | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:15 Aeromi wrote: jjakji is going to play normal qualifier not the wildcard system. https://twitter.com/mYiPengWin/status/416702088786104320 but thats against every rule -_- On January 01 2014 03:15 LongShot27 wrote: Jjakji lives in Switzerland with a visa and is part of a european team and ? visa doesnt makes you a citizen O_o still against the rules if thats rly against rules i hope blizzard comes and say esl that they cant do what they want | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 01 2014 04:30 Drake wrote: but thats against every rule -_- and ? visa doesnt makes you a citizen O_o still against the rules if thats rly against rules i hope blizzard comes and say esl that they cant do what they want except it isn't,,, | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 01 2014 04:30 Drake wrote: but thats against every rule -_- and ? visa doesnt makes you a citizen O_o still against the rules if thats rly against rules i hope blizzard comes and say esl that they cant do what they want Jjakji apparently is considered a resident now. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 01 2014 04:34 lolfail9001 wrote: Jjakji apparently is considered a resident now. exactly, he lives and works in Switzerland full time | ||
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invisigoat
184 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 01 2014 01:13 Aridhol wrote: IM pretty bad lineup now not bad, just not as good. first for trap is a pretty even trade but yes losing yoda hurts. still 2-0 in pl. | ||
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aezhyx
Canada6 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On January 01 2014 06:33 aezhyx wrote: It just me or is IM dwindling down at an alarming rate D: IM is fine. At least for the rest of the PL season. Now Startale on the other hand..yeah. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
It isn't though. The requirement is residency, not citizenship. | ||
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ogsgodlike
Bulgaria31 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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bobsire
Canada296 Posts
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Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On January 01 2014 06:33 aezhyx wrote: It just me or is IM dwindling down at an alarming rate D: Nah, think of this in terms of a shuffle. For a while IM has recruited players, amongst them Squirtle, Byul and Trap. Now in turn they have to let some players go. IM isn't dwindling at all, in fact this is exactly what defines IM; staying relevant by not falling into the trap of getting complacent, fostering talent and not being afraid to give new players exposure. Though we let go of some old players, we've kept the roster alive by recruiting players and seeing them become stronger while on the team. I do think IM is sorta between rosters at the moment though, there'll be some downtime after which the team should emerge in a strong state. And hey, Proleague is the perfect way to do this. IM hwaiting! | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 01 2014 07:03 docvoc wrote: Any word on the teams they're gonna join? I wouldn't be surprised if mYinsanity picks one of them. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 01 2014 03:15 LongShot27 wrote: Jjakji lives in Switzerland with a visa and is part of a european team Explain what the difference is between Jjakji's situation and Sase's is again, I didn't get it. Why was Sase not allowed to participate in the Taiwanese qualifiers? Sase has been living in Taiwan since... when, and has a visa since when...? | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 01 2014 10:24 BaneRiders wrote: Explain what the difference is between Jjakji's situation and Sase's is again, I didn't get it. Why was Sase not allowed to participate in the Taiwanese qualifiers? Sase has been living in Taiwan since... when, and has a visa since when...? He is not a resident of that country | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
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ArtistenSc2
Sweden53 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
Sad to see them go! Good luck to the both of them though. | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
But I'm a bit sad that Yoda is no longer on IM. Their team does not look as deep for PL | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
Sorry, I still don't get it. He resides in Taiwan, that makes him a resident, no? Isn't that the very definition of residency? Or is he commuting to Sweden or something? | ||
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
On January 01 2014 20:03 BaneRiders wrote: Sorry, I still don't get it. He resides in Taiwan, that makes him a resident, no? Isn't that the very definition of residency? Or is he commuting to Sweden or something? He doesn't have the proper visa, to be considered as a resident. I dont remember the exact terms of that, but I know BreakerTV does, you might want to send him a PM if you are interested in further details. | ||
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growlizing
Norway122 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:42 Niko_Thien wrote: Yoda in WCS EU makes me happy. I hope mouz picks both of them up Heh. Yoda gonna crush so hard.. He's a beast! | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 31 2013 21:20 egernya wrote: IM Coach Kang said, "It's true that the contracts are expired. It's a shame that we didn't support them good enough. Good luck for the players in their new teams." I really don't understand the Korean language/culture. Everything also seems so self-derogatory, pessimistic and depressing. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 01 2014 20:49 Niko_Thien wrote: He doesn't have the proper visa, to be considered as a resident. I dont remember the exact terms of that, but I know BreakerTV does, you might want to send him a PM if you are interested in further details. Ok. Maybe he is staying there on a tourist visa or something like that then. I'm not interested in details per se, I just hope everyone get a fair treatment and that the same rules applies everywhere. Sase will hopefully do well in WCS EU instead, which makes it a lot easier for me to watch him play. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On December 31 2013 22:08 Yello wrote: I think the Korean scene is just not big enough to support as many players. But if those Koreans think they'll have it easy in EU or NA they will have a rude awakening. There are not nearly enough big foreign teams to support all these Koreans. I guess we'll see a bunch more retirements in the near future which is sad. But SC2 is just not big enough for so many professional players Yeah I totally agree with this. When Kespa switched to SC2, the influx of new players took the scene past its sustainability point. I think all these retirements recently are less about the popularity of the game declining, and more about the game naturally getting back to a point of equilibrium. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
Welcome! | ||
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
On January 03 2014 05:38 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Yay! WCS Europe looks even harder! Welcome!They should offer a great addition to the EU ladder, if they decide to actually live in the EU and not try to qualify via the wildcard. I'd personally love to see that | ||
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