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[SPL] Grading the Off-Season

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December 16th, 2013 15:01 GMT
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Rating the Off-Season

By: lichter

Not even a single official match has been played, but we can already say there are some winners and losers in the 2014 Proleague preseason. And no, we're not talking about that preseason, a series of exhibition matches and 2v2's. No, we're talking about all the changes that occurred in the long break between seasons, whether it was the flurry of moves on the transfer market or the growth and development existing players. Let's take a look!

Walking on Sunshine


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Jin Air Green Wings
IN: (P)sOs, (T)Maru
OUT: (P)Argo, (Z)check, (T)Neige, (T)TY
Other Changes: Didn't die, got a new sponsor and a ton of financial support instead. Coach Cha Ji Hoon promoted to head coach after former head coach Han Sang Yong was transferred to Jin Air's LoL team.
Grade: A+

Simply not dying was already a huge win for the team-formerly-known-as-Team Eight, but they've emerged as one of the strongest Proleague teams on top of that. In undoubtedly the biggest transfer story of the off season, Jin Air snagged both Blizzcon winner sOs and OSL Champion and Terran Prodigy Maru. They will replace the retired Jaehoon and the departed KT_TY, and both are incredible upgrades over their predecessors.

The moves came from completely out of nowhere, as Maru seemed destined to bear the weight of dragging Prime along, and sOs seemed like he'd be perfectly suited to playing just individual tournaments for Woongjin Stars. Meanwhile, Jin Air looked destined to suffer, inheriting a Team 8 roster full of player who were essentially on KeSPA welfare after all other teams had decided to pass them over.

It looks like Jin Air is taking their sponsorship very seriously, however, as they must have ponied up a significant amount of money to land both highly coveted players. They went from pity party to playoff potential in a single day, and though they still have some depth problems to take care of, adding two WCS champions should buoy a team full of promising players.


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SK Telecom T1
IN: (P)Classic, (T)BrAvO, (Z)Soulkey
OUT: (P)BeSt, (P)Bisu, (Z)s2, (P)Brown
Other changes: iloveoov replaced BoxeR as head coach, (P)Rain and (P)PartinG returned to championship form.
Grade: A

After losing long time captain BeSt and the uncannily handsome Bisu to retirement, SKT fans felt a little dour. Sure, they still had PartinG, FanTaSy and Rain, but the departure of two well loved, if under-performing veterans was hard to get over. While you never really get over your favorite players retiring, the new signings should at least give SKT fans something to be happy about as they've rocketed up most preseason projections to become the clear favorites to win Proleague.

The addition of SoulKey would make any team an instant contender, but putting him on a team with a revitalized Rain and PartinG just feels unfair. Soulkey has been the most consistent Zerg player for well over a year, and he was the best Zerg in the 12-13 Proleague with the runner-up Woongjin Stars. While SKT Zergs have a bad reputation, and their luck with big name Zerg signings has not been great (see: GoRush, JulyZerg), Soulkey has all the skills to turn that around. Not only does Soulkey add immediate depth to a Zerg-line that was basically just soO by himself, but now SKT have an ace-class player in all races. Ridiculous.

Soulkey is the headline grabbing signing, but the signing of Classic is the one that hipster fans and "moneyball" fans should find the most astute. Since switching to Protoss after an underwhelming stint as a Terran, Classic was without a doubt the most improved player of last season. With a combined 8-0 against T and Z, and a decent 4-3 in PvP, he was a crucial supporting player in STX Soul's championship run. Though he may be underrated by many, there's a reason why he was the only other SouL player than INnoVation to get signed immediately when the team disbanded. Classic might not play in every match, but he's hilariously overqualified to be SKT's 5th or 6th player.

Finally, BrAvO rounds out SKT's off-season moves. While he might not get much playing time, he provides decent backup for FanTaSy and a thin Terran line.


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CJ Entus
IN: Coach Park
OUT: None
Other changes: Hydra, Sora, and herO have emerged as championship class players. Also, CJ Entus started catering to foreign fans.
Grade: B+

Despite their only big addition being Coach Park, the multiple Proleague winning head coach deserves as much hype as any star player. His presence has been immediately noticeable, not just in the performances of their players, but in the way the way the team is marketing itself to the world. Like a top football team, CJ Entus has been busy playing friendlies against a variety of international teams like JinAir, EG, SKT and Invictus Gaming, trying to show foreign fans that of all the KeSPA teams, they are ones worth cheering for. Sending EffOrt, Hydra and herO—who won the event—to IEM Singapore also seems to be in line with their plans to become more marketable and foreigner-friendly.

Having added no new players, CJ will have to rely on Coach Park to coax the best out of what they already have. Initial impressions suggest that he's been doing a great job, with our first glimpse coming at IEM Singapore. Hydra and herO defeated some of the best players in Korea to break through the qualifiers, while team captain effOrt successfully made his way through the live, open bracket. While Hydra and EffOrt were impressive, it was herO who stole the show with a dominant run to the championship. He displayed both immaculate control and impervious defense to take the title with just three map losses. He swept aside Bomber and Dream in the group stage, crushed both DongRaeGu and Mvp in 3-0s, and defeated San 4-2 in the final. If he can play that well in Proleague, CJ is right up there with Jin Air and SKT as title contenders.

Along with those three established starters (and Bbyong, who is somehow always in Code S), CJ will look to continue the development of their impressive young players. The most talked about prospect is, of course, Sora, who earned silver at WCG behind Soulkey while beating PartinG, Dayshi and MacSed along the way. He is the hottest rookie heading into the season, and is improving rapidly in his first year as a full pro after being just a hobbyist. There is also Bunny, one of the best true rookies of last season, and SonGDuri, who made it into the last Code S of the year. Sure, they don’t technically count as new players, but player development counts.

When your new coach has your players playing this well, it’s hard to say that it wasn’t a productive off-season. To cap it all off, CJ Entus can head into the regular season with a smile, having won the official Preseason tournament.

One Word Summary: Meh


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Incredible Miracle
IN: (P)Trap, (T)Absolute, (P)HerO (via Team Liquid partnership)
OUT: (Z)KangHo
Other changes: Lost LG sponsorship.
Grade: C+

On paper, losing KangHo but gaining Trap looks like a net positive for Incredible Miracle. Despite being a regular Code S Zerg, KangHo has rarely performed well in team leagues. His record is also surprisingly mediocre, relying mostly on ZvZs to get by in tournaments. With Zergs already a rarity in Proleague, it was unlikely that he was going to get a sniff of playing time ahead of ByuL, who has been competitive in non-mirrors.

However, if there is one thing that IM did not need, it was another Protoss. With Squirtle, First, and YongHwa already on the roster and the addition of HerO as their mercenary, they have taken PvProleague to a ridiculous extreme. They could easily field an all Protoss lineup, an option they might actually resort to once or twice in the season.

So while Trap might be an upgrade over KangHo, it might not mean much given the lack of Terran and Zerg depth after YoDa and ByuL. At this point, you have to wonder why they couldn’t have signed someone else (unless we see a 'Squirtle to team Epik' headline in the next week). Well, at least that means we might see Mvp and NesTea back in an SPL booth!


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KT Rolster
IN: (T)TY (Baby)
OUT: None
Other changes Clide departs as coach for military service.
Grade: C+

Oh BaBy, you were supposed to be the next Terran prodigy! Though he has had a reasonably successful career, you’ll find even the staunchest TY fan accepting that he has yet to live up to the potential he showed when he signed for WeMade FOX as a 13 year old. His addition to KT’s Roster is a good move for both parties, as it adds much needed Terran depth behind Flash while it gives a good opportunity for TY to learn from the prodigy that came before him.

For KT to challenge for the title, however, they will still need to address their weak Zerg lineup. Between hitmaN, Crazy and Action, you’re unlikely to find a player that would start for other team. You're probably going to see at least one of them every week, and it's not going to be pretty. Even so, the Bo5 format means they can rely on some combination of Flash, Stat, Zest and TY to grind out the wins.

Overall, KT HAS become stronger. But unfortunately for a team like KT that expects to challenge for the title each year, it really doesn't feel like they've done enough compared to their rivals.


Not Looking Pretty


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Team MVP
IN: (Z)Tible
OUT: (Z)NAKSEO, (P)duckdeok
Other changes: Everyone else is about the same. OGN LoL Champions winning coach Lim Seok Hyeon has taken over as head coach, after the departure of the ex-MVP head coach to Samsung Galaxy's LoL team.
Grade: C-

“Wait what, a C- isn’t a failing grade!” you scream at your computer, shaking your fist at my audaciously low opinion of MVP’s off season.

MVP and its deep line-up could still have a good season in Proleague. With a likely starting 5 of DRG, Dream, KeeN, Super, and one of TAiLS, Sniper, or Billowy, they have the potential to do some damage. Unfortunately, they didn’t do anything to improve their team, and none of their players heads into the season with any momentum. Dream and DRG have seen their fortunes rise in recent months, but they've failed to be credible title contenders.

And that's where Team MVP's biggest weakness is: unlike the other top teams, they don’t have clear championship caliber players. Duckdeok, who looked like he could be a real difference maker with his dynamic, win-at-all-costs style of play (go watch his Blizzcon B-Stream games), abruptly decided to retire. Though team MVP still has a lot of depth, that would have better served them in the old Bo7 format than the newly introduced Bo5.

Will MVP's dwindling stable of good but not great players have what it takes to upset the established order? This is a grand opportunity for DRG to return to his Team League Bonjwa days, and MVP will have to hope it happens if they want to be more than a middle-tier team and move up to challenging for the title.


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Samsung Galaxy
IN: None
OUT: (P)JangBi
Other changes: Team name changed from Khan to Galaxy, RorO fell off a cliff. Long time head coach January stepped down, replaced by coach Oh Sang Taek.
Grade : D

When you lose your best player and do nothing to replace him, you’re in big trouble. Samsung Electronics was willing to pay the big bucks to acquire team MVP's championship winning LoL squads and put them under the GALAXY banner, but their SC2 squad was not lucky enough to receive some of that dirty smartphone money.

Despite Samsung finishing a respectable 5th last season and only one game behind SKT, it took an almost improbable collapse by T1 and JangBi’s heroics to get there. RorO was the only other Khan player with a positive record, and he slumped hard with the release of HotS. Having someone barely in Code A as your de facto ace is not an appealing prospect. Players like Reality, Solar, and and Shine would struggle to be regulars on any of the top teams, so barring a simultaneous massive improvement it's going to be a rough season for Samsung Galaxy. While other teams have been actively trying to improve, the only thing Samsung has done is change their name and logo.


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Prime
IN: (P)Kal
OUT: (T)MarineKing, (T)Maru
Other Changes: Err... they have a LoL team now?
Grade: F

Kal: "Wait, no, WHAT?!" Sorry Kal, I guess you didn't choose the right team to come back on. Unless, he wanted a lot of guaranteed playing time, which he might very well get depending on how desperate Prime becomes.

You can’t lose two of your best and most iconic players and expect to do well in the most difficult and grueling team league on earth. MarineKing’s departure to LoL may not have been as big a surprise considering his rapidly deteriorating form, but Maru’s sudden switch to Jin Air was like losing an arm and a leg for Prime. Now they must rely on both Creator (who was the team's public face on media day) and ByuN—two players who have struggled heavily in HotS—to carry their team. Last place seems like a safe bet for Prime, and they might even challenge the old Air Force Ace in terms of how solidly they are glued to the bottom of the table.

There really isn’t much to say when you have a line up like this. They’ll have to use what time they have left to find some reinforcements, hope that B teamers like Eins, Chance, and Splendid improve at a miraculous pace, or find that Kal is actually an SC2 super-prodigy.


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Writers: lichter.
Photos: silverfire
Editors: Waxangel.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 15:11:17
December 16 2013 15:09 GMT
#2
CJ only rank B ?

Go CJ, Samsung, Jin Air and SKT1 !
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
December 16 2013 15:13 GMT
#3
Looking good for JinAir and SKT!

Great article all around
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 15:14:45
December 16 2013 15:14 GMT
#4
So, first of all - Samsung didn't change name to Samsung Galaxy - they are now Samsung Galaxy Khan :p

And more importantly - you are hinting quite a few times, that the rule of 'You need to have at least 1 of P, T and Z in a match' is no longer valid. (for example at IM saying they can field all protoss lineup or KT fielding Flash/Zest/Stats/TY). Is that a true and confirmed information? If so, that sucks -.-

Otherwise great article and I basically agree with all you are saying
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 16 2013 15:15 GMT
#5
Jin Air Green Wings and KT all the way!

I would love to see Prime do well but don't really see that happening :D

also whoah all these PL hype threads!
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
December 16 2013 15:15 GMT
#6
lol Prime.

Go CJ Entus and Jin Air!
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
December 16 2013 15:15 GMT
#7
Poor Prime T_T
padiseal2
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 15:17:26
December 16 2013 15:16 GMT
#8
Good Writeup. Agree with everything except IM getting graded C+. I would give them a B or B-.
Sure, they may have a lot of protoss players now but you can never have enough in PvProleague.
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Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
December 16 2013 15:18 GMT
#9
What happened with Prime is so unbelivable sad...
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 16 2013 15:20 GMT
#10
CJ Entus earned a S-class rating I'd say!

Other than that, I hope DongRaeGu will now step it up and become one of the most feared players in pro league. I miss the days of The Final Boss.

Nice article! I think Ty leaving Jin Air could've hurt them a lot, but Maru joining obviously makes up for it.
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
December 16 2013 15:21 GMT
#11
I would love if you did one of these for the foreign teams, even though they don't necessarily play in a team based league setup
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 16 2013 15:22 GMT
#12
Lol Prime's grade. MVP didn't have a good offseason, but I have faith. Very cool article though Lichter!
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rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
December 16 2013 15:24 GMT
#13
On December 17 2013 00:15 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Poor Prime T_T

Remember those predictions before last proleague? This was a fun read, but none of these ranks are meaningful.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 16 2013 15:26 GMT
#14
It's funny that while KT acquired Ty, which should be a very positive thing, SKT, Jin Air and CJ got so much more that KT doesn't seem to have improved at all. Would be sweet if KT can get Dear in time for the season to start.

On the other hand, SKT has so many great players that many of them can hardly expect to be fielded with any regularity. Shame about that bo5, really.

Also, doesn't the scale go lower than F?
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 16 2013 15:28 GMT
#15
I love how Stork isn't even on anybody's radar anymore.
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GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
December 16 2013 15:29 GMT
#16
Skt looking beastmode this season. I don't get why prime is even in the league with such a crippled roster, it would be way more competitive to have startale in the league
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 16 2013 15:29 GMT
#17
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carry me

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51474 Posts
December 16 2013 15:30 GMT
#18
Lichter bm samsung smartphones. Confirmed dirty apple user :D

Nice write up, agree with 99% of it well done.
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
December 16 2013 15:31 GMT
#19
With the addition of Maru,Soulkey and all those ex esf teams maybe Proleague won't be a PvPfest this year which is good!
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44088 Posts
December 16 2013 15:31 GMT
#20
i just hope TY and flash brings the A-game for KT because compared to Jin-air/CJ/SKT they are looking really pale
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 16 2013 15:35 GMT
#21
Will be a fun proleague for sure, but i think these rankings are kinda random at this point, we don't really know much about most of the players that didn't play since last proleague and with the bo5 format a team needs only 2-3 strong players and can still do great (even if it is obviously better if you have more ).
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2013 15:35 GMT
#22
The biggest issue with T8 last season was they could never get 2 guys hot at once. It will be very hard for sOs to top what he did last year in PL. Going 5-1 in SD is very hard to do. I don't expect him to play at the same level, but he should at least provide more consistency. Maru is the icing on the cake. Should be interesting to watch them this shortened season.

SKT has never looked stronger. It should be a fun season. Let's go. -.^
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 16 2013 15:40 GMT
#23
Jangbi still makes me sad

I must know how he was going to do in that gsl!
Refer to my post.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 16 2013 15:40 GMT
#24
Ah, this is the good stuff. Only thing missing is the FPL to be opened. I wanna make that team.
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
December 16 2013 15:42 GMT
#25
KT get Hyvaa please.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 16 2013 15:44 GMT
#26
On December 17 2013 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Lichter bm samsung smartphones. Confirmed dirty apple user :D

Nice write up, agree with 99% of it well done.


I actually use a Galaxy phone :o
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PixelNite
Profile Joined August 2011
France1008 Posts
December 16 2013 15:44 GMT
#27
Everybody forget CoCa
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#28
On December 17 2013 00:44 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Lichter bm samsung smartphones. Confirmed dirty apple user :D

Nice write up, agree with 99% of it well done.


I actually use a Galaxy phone :o


Oh snap.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2013 15:49 GMT
#29
On December 17 2013 00:44 PixelNite wrote:
Everybody forget CoCa


I didn't. -.^
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 16 2013 15:49 GMT
#30
I'm making a bet that Jin Air tried to re-acquire Jaedong for the sole purpose of having Maru, sOs and the Dong as contenders for best player of each race. DIRTY DIRTY EG MONEY
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 15:52:08
December 16 2013 15:51 GMT
#31
On December 17 2013 00:44 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Lichter bm samsung smartphones. Confirmed dirty apple user :D

Nice write up, agree with 99% of it well done.


I actually use a Galaxy phone :o


Whatttttttttttttt. So why did you write
Samsung Electronics was willing to pay the big bucks to acquire team MVP's championship winning LoL squads and put them under the GALAXY banner, but their SC2 squad was not lucky enough to receive some of that dirty smartphone money.


:o
It's not dirty because there fones are awesomeeeeez and TVs and sponsor the best football team in da worldz
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 16 2013 15:53 GMT
#32
On December 17 2013 00:49 boxerfred wrote:
I'm making a bet that Jin Air tried to re-acquire Jaedong for the sole purpose of having Maru, sOs and the Dong as contenders for best player of each race. DIRTY DIRTY EG MONEY


Maybe there is still hope we will see him in proleague, just like hero plays for IM there.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 16 2013 15:53 GMT
#33
I'm typing this on a Samsung monitor too, while the Simpsons plays on my Samsung TV. I wish my underwear was Samsung
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 16 2013 15:54 GMT
#34
On December 17 2013 00:49 boxerfred wrote:
I'm making a bet that Jin Air tried to re-acquire Jaedong for the sole purpose of having Maru, sOs and the Dong as contenders for best player of each race. DIRTY DIRTY EG MONEY

Well, they got two out three. Dirty airline money works too.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51474 Posts
December 16 2013 15:55 GMT
#35
On December 17 2013 00:53 lichter wrote:
I'm typing this on a Samsung monitor too, while the Simpsons plays on my Samsung TV. I wish my underwear was Samsung


LOlololol <33
Lichter isn't a dirty apple user hoorah. Gogo edit that quote. Not dirty money, nice cleanly made profit money :d
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 16 2013 15:57 GMT
#36
On December 17 2013 00:54 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 00:49 boxerfred wrote:
I'm making a bet that Jin Air tried to re-acquire Jaedong for the sole purpose of having Maru, sOs and the Dong as contenders for best player of each race. DIRTY DIRTY EG MONEY

Well, they got two out three. Dirty airline money works too.


Imagine a world with Innovation, Jaedong, Bomber, MMA, Soulkey and Maru in the same team and joing PvProleague :D
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
December 16 2013 16:06 GMT
#37
Fascinating primer for the upcoming proleague.

Looking for Flash to hit his stride this season!

Excellent write up
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 16 2013 16:12 GMT
#38
On December 17 2013 01:06 fruity. wrote:
Fascinating primer for the upcoming proleague.

Looking for Flash to hit his stride this season!

Excellent write up


He sort of hit a good stride last season too in PL at least.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 16:28:57
December 16 2013 16:28 GMT
#39
I wouldn't be surprised if MarineKing comes back to SC2 exclusively for Proleague. I'd imagine Prime are desperate enough to field him and he's the #6 player on the LoL team.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 16 2013 16:33 GMT
#40
On December 17 2013 01:28 Clbull wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if MarineKing comes back to SC2 exclusively for Proleague. I'd imagine Prime are desperate enough to field him and he's the #6 player on the LoL team.

The sad thing is that wouldn't change anything
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 16:44:31
December 16 2013 16:40 GMT
#41
This thread should be done after the official roster announcemet.
KeSPA:
Shark (Samsung KHAN)
FaKe (Samsung KHAN)
Guilty (Samsung KHAN)
SpeeD (Samsung KHAN)
hOpe (Samsung KHAN)
oDin (Samsung KHAN)
Swift (Woongjin Stars)
Motive (KT Rolster)
Puzzle (KT Rolster)
Mind (KT Rolster)
BarrackS (KT Rolster)
HoeJJa (KT Rolster)
Cacia (KT Rolster)
Crazy (KT Rolster)
Brown (SK Telecom T1)
Mercury (SK Telecom T1)
JyJ (SK Telecom T1)
All these players left their teams so the thread is misleading a lot of people here as they still think that players like Crazy and Puzzle will play.
Also it seems that PenguiN joined Prime as he was PenguiN.Prime on DH prelims.
All actual rosters are here and it will be updated when the official rosters will be released, all other sites showing actual rosters are wrong:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
Also plz change Kal -> GooJila and Absolute -> UngNim
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
December 16 2013 16:47 GMT
#42
IM-HerO fighting!
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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
December 16 2013 16:56 GMT
#43
On December 17 2013 01:12 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 01:06 fruity. wrote:
Fascinating primer for the upcoming proleague.

Looking for Flash to hit his stride this season!

Excellent write up


He sort of hit a good stride last season too in PL at least.


Must admit I caught hardly any proleague last season. A mistake I wont be making this time round
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
December 16 2013 16:57 GMT
#44
On December 17 2013 00:24 rafaliusz wrote:
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On December 17 2013 00:15 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Poor Prime T_T

Remember those predictions before last proleague? This was a fun read, but none of these ranks are meaningful.


Problem is, before last proleague no one had any idea how quickly the KeSPA teams where improving and, sure you had outliners like Rain and Flash, but on paper, the combined might of EG-TL's lineup should have been more then enough for a bunch of Code B rookies. As it turned out KeSPA players where literally improving in front of our eyes, and they already had years of experience in playing and preparing for the proleague format, something EG-TL clearly lacked and never made up for.

Lastly, I think everybody wanted desperately to believe that Korea could somehow be conquered and they believed that EG-TL was our best shot at it. The potential roster depth made for an insanely hyped up team that wasn't actually that strong in the PL format.

Of course hindsight is awesome and all that however, judging from the team's relative strengths, which we actually have a better idea of today then we had last time, the changing team dynamics due to transfers and retirements, I think this write up might be more accurate then the last one.
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 16 2013 16:58 GMT
#45
poor prime. Not a single champion class player on their team.
Long live the Boss Toss!
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 17:02 GMT
#46
On December 17 2013 01:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
poor prime. Not a single champion class player on their team.

So if ByuN and Creator did poor this year means that they suddenly are bad players?
Creator said that it takes him a lot of time to become good. ByuN had the same situation in WoL as he has it now, he was doing bad then he came back and crushed everyone. I do not see any reason to forget about them especially when they are in GSL.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
December 16 2013 17:06 GMT
#47
i wonder who's going to come in second in PL this season?
The universe created an audience for itself.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
December 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#48
Those SKT jackets make me drool. WHERE can I buy one?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 17:20:53
December 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#49
On December 17 2013 01:40 DiMano wrote:
Also plz change Kal -> GooJila and Absolute -> UngNim


No thx
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 17:24:03
December 16 2013 17:23 GMT
#50
Seems silly to consider sponsorships in the grade. The gain and loss of backers is more contingent on the system as a whole than individual teams
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
December 16 2013 17:25 GMT
#51
On December 17 2013 00:14 Ammanas wrote:
So, first of all - Samsung didn't change name to Samsung Galaxy - they are now Samsung Galaxy Khan :p

And more importantly - you are hinting quite a few times, that the rule of 'You need to have at least 1 of P, T and Z in a match' is no longer valid. (for example at IM saying they can field all protoss lineup or KT fielding Flash/Zest/Stats/TY). Is that a true and confirmed information? If so, that sucks -.-

Otherwise great article and I basically agree with all you are saying

It's been true for a while, idk where you've been...just look at Acer, or last year's winner STX, which was basically Innovation, Trap, Dear, Mini, and Classic.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 17:32:46
December 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#52
On December 17 2013 02:02 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 01:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
poor prime. Not a single champion class player on their team.

So if ByuN and Creator did poor this year means that they suddenly are bad players?
Creator said that it takes him a lot of time to become good. ByuN had the same situation in WoL as he has it now, he was doing bad then he came back and crushed everyone. I do not see any reason to forget about them especially when they are in GSL.

Considering almost every other team has at least 1 championship level player (with the exception of MVP perhaps) Prime is in trouble. Also, when has ByuN ever "crushed everyone"? he had that one lucky season, and then he dropped out of the group stages next season.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#53
On December 17 2013 02:31 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 02:02 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 01:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
poor prime. Not a single champion class player on their team.

So if ByuN and Creator did poor this year means that they suddenly are bad players?
Creator said that it takes him a lot of time to become good. ByuN had the same situation in WoL as he has it now, he was doing bad then he came back and crushed everyone. I do not see any reason to forget about them especially when they are in GSL.

Considering almost every other team has at least 1 championship level player (with the exception of MVP perhaps) Prime is in trouble. Also, when has ByuN ever "crushed everyone"? he had that one lucky season, and then he dropped out of the group stages next season.

So you did not watch GSTL then.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 17:43:19
December 16 2013 17:39 GMT
#54
On December 17 2013 02:25 Whatson wrote:
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On December 17 2013 00:14 Ammanas wrote:
So, first of all - Samsung didn't change name to Samsung Galaxy - they are now Samsung Galaxy Khan :p

And more importantly - you are hinting quite a few times, that the rule of 'You need to have at least 1 of P, T and Z in a match' is no longer valid. (for example at IM saying they can field all protoss lineup or KT fielding Flash/Zest/Stats/TY). Is that a true and confirmed information? If so, that sucks -.-

Otherwise great article and I basically agree with all you are saying

It's been true for a while, idk where you've been...just look at Acer, or last year's winner STX, which was basically Innovation, Trap, Dear, Mini, and Classic.


eh? Acer has never played in Proleague. That rule only applied to Proleague as it was a Proleague rule. And as far as STX is concerned, there was also hyvaa, who got to play like every match cause he was the only good zerg at that team.

Last year that was one of the SPL rules for sure, but with the phrasing of the IM and KT parts, I am not sure whether lichter just forgot about it or it is actually not present there this season.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 16 2013 17:44 GMT
#55
On December 17 2013 02:34 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 02:31 Whatson wrote:
On December 17 2013 02:02 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 01:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
poor prime. Not a single champion class player on their team.

So if ByuN and Creator did poor this year means that they suddenly are bad players?
Creator said that it takes him a lot of time to become good. ByuN had the same situation in WoL as he has it now, he was doing bad then he came back and crushed everyone. I do not see any reason to forget about them especially when they are in GSL.

Considering almost every other team has at least 1 championship level player (with the exception of MVP perhaps) Prime is in trouble. Also, when has ByuN ever "crushed everyone"? he had that one lucky season, and then he dropped out of the group stages next season.

So you did not watch GSTL then.


Not everyone can watch everything like you do, Dimano!
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 16 2013 17:47 GMT
#56
hehe most difficult and grueling. I am really curious if Green Wings can go from being lower part to top spot.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 16 2013 18:10 GMT
#57
So difficult to tell with most players hardly having any exposure last months. I'm not sure it's always safe to assume that having no exposure means a player is likely to be not that great with just how tough it can be to get into GSL/WCS korea.
Still SKT must be the clear favorite, only team with 3 s-class players I think.
Again it's sad to see how many fantastic players will not be competing in pro league. It's sad that players like Jaedong, Taeja, Innovation, Dear and several others won't compete. For some it's also a huge detriment I think as playing in SPL is probably the best training regiment there is.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51418 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 18:12:21
December 16 2013 18:12 GMT
#58
Since when was Hack on MVP?
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 16 2013 18:13 GMT
#59
I still look forward to the day TY becomes the monster he was destined to be and starts kicking bonjwa's ass.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33316 Posts
December 16 2013 18:13 GMT
#60
On December 17 2013 03:12 GTR wrote:
Since when was Hack on MVP?


whoops my bad
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 16 2013 18:17 GMT
#61
I sadly have to agree with your rating of Prime. I don´t think there is any hope for them not finishing last place.
They have absolutely nothing up their sleeve to compensate for the departure of Maru. Creator will be able to take some games here and there. But you can´t win pro league with only one player.
I don´t really see the reasoning behind skipping the last GSTL, when they even had Maru still on their roster to pull something off and participating now in pro league, which runs a much worse format for a small squad like theirs, without him and probably any hope of success. D:
I hope they win at least one match per round. But even that will be very hard for them.
They were the best team in the world in the first third of 2012. And now there is nothing left but nice memories D:
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
December 16 2013 18:18 GMT
#62
On December 17 2013 00:51 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 00:44 lichter wrote:
On December 17 2013 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Lichter bm samsung smartphones. Confirmed dirty apple user :D

Nice write up, agree with 99% of it well done.


I actually use a Galaxy phone :o


Whatttttttttttttt. So why did you write
Show nested quote +
Samsung Electronics was willing to pay the big bucks to acquire team MVP's championship winning LoL squads and put them under the GALAXY banner, but their SC2 squad was not lucky enough to receive some of that dirty smartphone money.


:o
It's not dirty because there fones are awesomeeeeez and TVs and sponsor the best football team in da worldz

I didn't know they sponsored Arsenal
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#63
Pro[toss]league 2014 inc !

Those that still tink it's not going to become a PvPfest will be sourly mistaken.
Oh well let's hope atleast on some fun games.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 16 2013 18:24 GMT
#64
Is there a possibility to see the final rosters in one place, not just the changes? Would make rating the teams so much easier. Anyway, I think that the the "new" teams are being understimated too much. Yes, the players on the original KeSPA teams may have shown good results and had good record, but essentially against each other - it doesn't really say how they will do against the new teams, as there hasn't been that much room for direct comparision in individual leagues. IM, in particular, has a much better roster than "meh", just counting the players I can remebmer of the top of my head.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
December 16 2013 18:25 GMT
#65
I actually expect CJ to do better than expected. Coach Park can do wonders. He turned around EGTL and that was with only half a season.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#66
Just hoping Prime ends up taking some win that screws someone out of the playoffs or something. muahahahaha
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
December 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#67
iloveoov definitely gonna bring about some dramatic changes to sKT
GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
December 16 2013 18:35 GMT
#68
I have never been a Prime fan but i hope they don't become the next EG-TL (though its looking very likely)
I love hellbats
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 18:36 GMT
#69
On December 17 2013 03:24 opisska wrote:
Is there a possibility to see the final rosters in one place, not just the changes? Would make rating the teams so much easier. Anyway, I think that the the "new" teams are being understimated too much. Yes, the players on the original KeSPA teams may have shown good results and had good record, but essentially against each other - it doesn't really say how they will do against the new teams, as there hasn't been that much room for direct comparision in individual leagues. IM, in particular, has a much better roster than "meh", just counting the players I can remebmer of the top of my head.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
The official rosters are not released but for now these are the most actual rosters.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 18:39:25
December 16 2013 18:36 GMT
#70
On December 17 2013 02:34 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 02:31 Whatson wrote:
On December 17 2013 02:02 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 01:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
poor prime. Not a single champion class player on their team.

So if ByuN and Creator did poor this year means that they suddenly are bad players?
Creator said that it takes him a lot of time to become good. ByuN had the same situation in WoL as he has it now, he was doing bad then he came back and crushed everyone. I do not see any reason to forget about them especially when they are in GSL.

Considering almost every other team has at least 1 championship level player (with the exception of MVP perhaps) Prime is in trouble. Also, when has ByuN ever "crushed everyone"? he had that one lucky season, and then he dropped out of the group stages next season.

So you did not watch GSTL then.

What has ByuN done in GSTL?

Besides bringing out his puppy I mean, that was cute.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
December 16 2013 18:38 GMT
#71
I was expecting F- for Prime. Better than expected
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 16 2013 18:39 GMT
#72
On December 17 2013 03:36 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:24 opisska wrote:
Is there a possibility to see the final rosters in one place, not just the changes? Would make rating the teams so much easier. Anyway, I think that the the "new" teams are being understimated too much. Yes, the players on the original KeSPA teams may have shown good results and had good record, but essentially against each other - it doesn't really say how they will do against the new teams, as there hasn't been that much room for direct comparision in individual leagues. IM, in particular, has a much better roster than "meh", just counting the players I can remebmer of the top of my head.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
The official rosters are not released but for now these are the most actual rosters.


Nice! But they are not the most actual, as Losira is still listed as teamless Anyway, SKT T1 roster si really insane, but the new teams don't look that bad, if you are reminded of all of their players that never really shone in GSL, but did pretty well in GSTL ...
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 16 2013 18:42 GMT
#73
Losira found a new team already?
Flash | Mvp
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#74
On December 17 2013 03:39 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:36 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 03:24 opisska wrote:
Is there a possibility to see the final rosters in one place, not just the changes? Would make rating the teams so much easier. Anyway, I think that the the "new" teams are being understimated too much. Yes, the players on the original KeSPA teams may have shown good results and had good record, but essentially against each other - it doesn't really say how they will do against the new teams, as there hasn't been that much room for direct comparision in individual leagues. IM, in particular, has a much better roster than "meh", just counting the players I can remebmer of the top of my head.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
The official rosters are not released but for now these are the most actual rosters.


Nice! But they are not the most actual, as Losira is still listed as teamless Anyway, SKT T1 roster si really insane, but the new teams don't look that bad, if you are reminded of all of their players that never really shone in GSL, but did pretty well in GSTL ...

KangHo is teamless now so it is all right
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 18:47:49
December 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#75
On December 17 2013 03:36 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:24 opisska wrote:
Is there a possibility to see the final rosters in one place, not just the changes? Would make rating the teams so much easier. Anyway, I think that the the "new" teams are being understimated too much. Yes, the players on the original KeSPA teams may have shown good results and had good record, but essentially against each other - it doesn't really say how they will do against the new teams, as there hasn't been that much room for direct comparision in individual leagues. IM, in particular, has a much better roster than "meh", just counting the players I can remebmer of the top of my head.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
The official rosters are not released but for now these are the most actual rosters.

KT's zerg lineup of hitmaN and Action is so sad. They really need to get Kangho or steal hyvaa or someone.
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KeZman
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada11 Posts
December 16 2013 18:48 GMT
#76
Looking forward to see how Jin Air and SKT1 perform this year. However I feel pretty sad for Prime, at least with Maru, they could have been carry by him, but now... Creator or Kal as their ace player? Ouch, this won't be pretty.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 18:49 GMT
#77
On December 17 2013 03:47 Keeemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:36 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 03:24 opisska wrote:
Is there a possibility to see the final rosters in one place, not just the changes? Would make rating the teams so much easier. Anyway, I think that the the "new" teams are being understimated too much. Yes, the players on the original KeSPA teams may have shown good results and had good record, but essentially against each other - it doesn't really say how they will do against the new teams, as there hasn't been that much room for direct comparision in individual leagues. IM, in particular, has a much better roster than "meh", just counting the players I can remebmer of the top of my head.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
The official rosters are not released but for now these are the most actual rosters.

KT's zerg lineup of hitmaN and Action is so sad. They really need to get Kangho or steal hyvaa or someone.

hitmaN's potential is very high he is about to become a top zerg just needs some luck.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 18:56:54
December 16 2013 18:51 GMT
#78
On December 17 2013 03:48 KeZman wrote:
Looking forward to see how Jin Air and SKT1 perform this year. However I feel pretty sad for Prime, at least with Maru, they could have been carry by him, but now... Creator or Kal as their ace player? Ouch, this won't be pretty.

The team needs 3 wins to win a game Prime has Creator, GooJila and ByuN so they are not as bad as you think.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 16 2013 18:56 GMT
#79
On December 17 2013 03:51 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:48 KeZman wrote:
Looking forward to see how Jin Air and SKT1 perform this year. However I feel pretty sad for Prime, at least with Maru, they could have been carry by him, but now... Creator or Kal as their ace player? Ouch, this won't be pretty.

Team need 3 wins to win a game Prime has Creator, GooJila and ByuN so they are not as bad as you think.


If Creator, Kal and Byun were to play Sora, Hydra and Effort in that order, would you bet your life on Prime ever making it? The Bo5 format lets all the teams with S-class players field their aces in the first three matches and win straight up against weaker team a lot of the time. Would you bet on Prime against a line-up of sOs, Maru and Cure/Climax/Pigbaby? Or Parting/Rain/Soulkey? The problem for Prime is that if the match-ups in any match they play in are bad for them, they might straight up lose before even having time to play Creator/Kal/Byun, which isn't a comfortable spot to be in.
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 19:01 GMT
#80
On December 17 2013 03:56 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:51 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 03:48 KeZman wrote:
Looking forward to see how Jin Air and SKT1 perform this year. However I feel pretty sad for Prime, at least with Maru, they could have been carry by him, but now... Creator or Kal as their ace player? Ouch, this won't be pretty.

Team need 3 wins to win a game Prime has Creator, GooJila and ByuN so they are not as bad as you think.


If Creator, Kal and Byun were to play Sora, Hydra and Effort in that order, would you bet your life on Prime ever making it? The Bo5 format lets all the teams with S-class players field their aces in the first three matches and win straight up against weaker team a lot of the time. Would you bet on Prime against a line-up of sOs, Maru and Cure/Climax/Pigbaby? Or Parting/Rain/Soulkey? The problem for Prime is that if the match-ups in any match they play in are bad for them, they might straight up lose before even having time to play Creator/Kal/Byun, which isn't a comfortable spot to be in.

I just wanted to say that Prime has chances but I wrote somewhere that Prime will be something like 2 wins 1 loss for their trio, there will be no such order that 3 ace players will meet 3 ace players it will be like 2 or 1 of them meets ace and others meet regulars like Bunny or Bong where they have chances which will lead to a sitatuon like I said 2 wins 1 loss for their trio or vice versa and their overall win will depend on their trio to win all matches or on (if 2 wins 1 loss) their regular (Eins, Splendid) required 1 win.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 16 2013 19:04 GMT
#81
I don't think it'll necessarily happen, but teams could field their three best players whenever they play Prime and hope that they didn't. I think Prime's greatest disadvantage is their lack of wiggle room against most teams. Should they risk fielding their weaker players first, chances are they'll be demolished. It's not going to happen every match, it literally never does, but they're in a really tough spot let's not fool ourselves.
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prOPOns
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Germany60 Posts
December 16 2013 19:05 GMT
#82
Guys, I know its quite offtopic: but how did maru win vs parting in the preseason?
★ Kim Taek Yong <3 ★ SKT1.PartinG <3 ★ SKT1.Classic ★ CJ.Sora ★ EG.Jaedong ★
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
December 16 2013 19:09 GMT
#83
Kal: "Wait, no, WHAT?!" Sorry Kal, I guess you didn't choose the right team to come back on. Unless, he wanted a lot of guaranteed playing time
lols well played
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
December 16 2013 19:10 GMT
#84
Feel so bad with PRIME as they are now, I honestly hope they can find a way to not stay dead last this season, don't even care if they get stuck at 7th place either.

I want KT to win now they got Ty so Flash isn't alone as their Terran player, they could have pulled a SKT/Jin Air GW and tried signing some big names. At least KT still got a good Protoss lineup so they can just play Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest/Puzzle all the time until hitman, Action, and Crazy come up to par.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 16 2013 19:11 GMT
#85
On December 17 2013 04:10 yoshi245 wrote:
Feel so bad with PRIME as they are now, I honestly hope they can find a way to not stay dead last this season, don't even care if they get stuck at 7th place either.

I want KT to win now they got Ty so Flash isn't alone as their Terran player, they could have pulled a SKT/Jin Air GW and tried signing some big names. At least KT still got a good Protoss lineup so they can just play Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest/Puzzle all the time until hitman, Action, and Crazy come up to par.


Rumor has it Crazy left KT
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 19:14:14
December 16 2013 19:13 GMT
#86
On December 17 2013 04:11 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:10 yoshi245 wrote:
Feel so bad with PRIME as they are now, I honestly hope they can find a way to not stay dead last this season, don't even care if they get stuck at 7th place either.

I want KT to win now they got Ty so Flash isn't alone as their Terran player, they could have pulled a SKT/Jin Air GW and tried signing some big names. At least KT still got a good Protoss lineup so they can just play Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest/Puzzle all the time until hitman, Action, and Crazy come up to par.


Rumor has it Crazy left KT

and Puzzle that is
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 19:14:33
December 16 2013 19:14 GMT
#87
Some Korean esports site had the same roster for KT as DiMano's list, so both Puzzle and Crazy have left the team (both most likely retired).

E: Once again I'm too slow
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 19:15 GMT
#88
On December 17 2013 04:14 Keeemy wrote:
Some Korean esports site had the same roster for KT as DiMano's list, so both Puzzle and Crazy have left the team (both most likely retired).

can you give a link plz
I check korean sites everyday but still nothing
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
December 16 2013 19:21 GMT
#89
Nooooo, sad if true.

And with Ty being their only recent signing, feels like KT might be scaling down if it is true even if the 2 players themselves decided to quit/retire on their own and not by any pressure from KT.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 16 2013 19:24 GMT
#90
Wow I never realized Kal is back, that's pretty cool.

Go Sora !
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
December 16 2013 19:26 GMT
#91
On December 17 2013 04:15 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:14 Keeemy wrote:
Some Korean esports site had the same roster for KT as DiMano's list, so both Puzzle and Crazy have left the team (both most likely retired).

can you give a link plz
I check korean sites everyday but still nothing

It was some article about SKT and KT. They weren't stated as official rosters I guess so take it with a grain of salt.

On December 17 2013 04:21 yoshi245 wrote:
Nooooo, sad if true.

And with Ty being their only recent signing, feels like KT might be scaling down if it is true even if the 2 players themselves decided to quit/retire on their own and not by any pressure from KT.

Pretty sure a lot more of their players left. The list I saw didn't have players like HoeJJa, Barracks and Cacia for example...
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Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
December 16 2013 19:33 GMT
#92
Flash will be back, his ruler was off that's all
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 19:36 GMT
#93
On December 17 2013 04:26 Keeemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:15 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:14 Keeemy wrote:
Some Korean esports site had the same roster for KT as DiMano's list, so both Puzzle and Crazy have left the team (both most likely retired).

can you give a link plz
I check korean sites everyday but still nothing

It was some article about SKT and KT. They weren't stated as official rosters I guess so take it with a grain of salt.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:21 yoshi245 wrote:
Nooooo, sad if true.

And with Ty being their only recent signing, feels like KT might be scaling down if it is true even if the 2 players themselves decided to quit/retire on their own and not by any pressure from KT.

Pretty sure a lot more of their players left. The list I saw didn't have players like HoeJJa, Barracks and Cacia for example...

Haha it was an article I had posted in other thread
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 19:47:34
December 16 2013 19:42 GMT
#94
On December 17 2013 04:36 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:26 Keeemy wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:15 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:14 Keeemy wrote:
Some Korean esports site had the same roster for KT as DiMano's list, so both Puzzle and Crazy have left the team (both most likely retired).

can you give a link plz
I check korean sites everyday but still nothing

It was some article about SKT and KT. They weren't stated as official rosters I guess so take it with a grain of salt.

On December 17 2013 04:21 yoshi245 wrote:
Nooooo, sad if true.

And with Ty being their only recent signing, feels like KT might be scaling down if it is true even if the 2 players themselves decided to quit/retire on their own and not by any pressure from KT.

Pretty sure a lot more of their players left. The list I saw didn't have players like HoeJJa, Barracks and Cacia for example...

Haha it was an article I had posted in other thread

Rofl yeah probably was. I can't even remember the site anymore. Dailygame possibly?

Wait no, Inven! If I remember right the article had the full roster (same as what Liquipedia shows) for SKT1, so that's why I think it was the full roster for KT as well.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 16 2013 19:43 GMT
#95
good writeup but do you really think Fantasy is an "ace level player"?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 16 2013 19:44 GMT
#96
On December 17 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:
good writeup but do you really think Fantasy is an "ace level player"?


Fantasy, in my book, is the definition of a potential ace level player - the kind of player that Bomber also used to be - insanely strong in one or several aspects, hilariously weak in others.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1965 Posts
December 16 2013 19:46 GMT
#97
The former non Kespa teams are not looking that strong.
Total Annihilation Zero
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 16 2013 19:47 GMT
#98
On December 17 2013 04:44 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:
good writeup but do you really think Fantasy is an "ace level player"?


Fantasy, in my book, is the definition of a potential ace level player - the kind of player that Bomber also used to be - insanely strong in one or several aspects, hilariously weak in others.

Fantasy is definitely one of the more interesting players in Proleague. Will be super exciting to see if iloveoov's touch can bring him to his proper BW-like levels.
Flash | Mvp
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 16 2013 19:52 GMT
#99
Samsung's grade looks really happy.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 16 2013 19:57 GMT
#100
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 16 2013 20:06 GMT
#101
I'm just hoping Prime will pull the trigger and go full foreigner on everyone
prOPOns
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Germany60 Posts
December 16 2013 20:08 GMT
#102
guys can you tell me why parting lost vs maru? just interested, last time parting raped him and i think parting=better player atm (ok maybe bit biased)

BUT TELL ME :D
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 20:12:41
December 16 2013 20:12 GMT
#103
On December 17 2013 05:08 prOPOns wrote:
guys can you tell me why parting lost vs maru? just interested, last time parting raped him and i think parting=better player atm (ok maybe bit biased)

BUT TELL ME :D

You are better watch the game or ask it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438396
There were a lot of stuff in that game.
DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
December 16 2013 20:16 GMT
#104
Samsung hwaiting!
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
December 16 2013 20:17 GMT
#105
Last season EG-TL was supposed to be top dog so I guess Green Wings is screwed.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 20:19 GMT
#106
On December 17 2013 05:17 nimdil wrote:
Last season EG-TL was supposed to be top dog so I guess Green Wings is screwed.

And CJ (but hope they can overcome this overrated thing)
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 16 2013 20:23 GMT
#107
SKT best KT. They're gonna destroy everyone
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 16 2013 20:44 GMT
#108
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 16 2013 20:48 GMT
#109
On December 17 2013 05:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p

How should I kill you? SAMSUNG is the best team!!!!!!! Stork, JangBi, RorO, Shine, Reality GOGOGO!!!!! KHAN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 16 2013 20:49 GMT
#110
On December 17 2013 05:08 prOPOns wrote:
guys can you tell me why parting lost vs maru? just interested, last time parting raped him and i think parting=better player atm (ok maybe bit biased)

BUT TELL ME :D

lol parting hardly raped maru last time, and you are clearly biased
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 16 2013 20:54 GMT
#111
On December 17 2013 00:29 GoodSirTets wrote:
Skt looking beastmode this season. I don't get why prime is even in the league with such a crippled roster, it would be way more competitive to have startale in the league


It is simple Startale is not there because it is not kespa team. Prime is there because it is kespa team.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 16 2013 21:00 GMT
#112
On December 17 2013 05:48 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 05:44 Kasaraki wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p

How should I kill you? SAMSUNG is the best team!!!!!!! Stork, JangBi, RorO, Shine, Reality GOGOGO!!!!! KHAN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess that's why we never see Samsung fans, they're all too ashamed to use the logo in their signature. ^^
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 16 2013 21:01 GMT
#113
On December 17 2013 05:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p

That hurt!
kiss kiss fall in love
Gnusnu
Profile Joined December 2009
United States118 Posts
December 16 2013 21:02 GMT
#114
I will never give up hope for Stork.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 16 2013 21:02 GMT
#115
On December 17 2013 05:08 prOPOns wrote:
guys can you tell me why parting lost vs maru? just interested, last time parting raped him and i think parting=better player atm (ok maybe bit biased)

BUT TELL ME :D


A lot biased. Not that I'm not biased towards Maru
prOPOns
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Germany60 Posts
December 16 2013 21:09 GMT
#116
last time, parting won 2-1 in group of death and he was kinda dominant there, but still i like maru a lot too...
still: skt and cj <3
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 16 2013 21:11 GMT
#117
biased liquid hating on mvp, theyll show u all
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 21:15:05
December 16 2013 21:13 GMT
#118
Nice article!

Looking really forward to this. Even with the stupid new bo5 format.
It's a good time to be SKT1 fan. gogo iloveoov team!


Though can't help but replacing Prime with team Acer would make this PL even better. They belong here.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
December 16 2013 21:17 GMT
#119
I'll probably pray for Samsung to do well now that there's no more Woongjin

























:'(
The heart's eternal vow
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
December 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#120
thiz is maadnezz... gonna be hell of season... cant wait!
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
December 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#121
On December 17 2013 01:40 DiMano wrote:
This thread should be done after the official roster announcemet.
KeSPA:
Shark (Samsung KHAN)
FaKe (Samsung KHAN)
Guilty (Samsung KHAN)
SpeeD (Samsung KHAN)
hOpe (Samsung KHAN)
oDin (Samsung KHAN)
Swift (Woongjin Stars)
Motive (KT Rolster)
Puzzle (KT Rolster)
Mind (KT Rolster)
BarrackS (KT Rolster)
HoeJJa (KT Rolster)
Cacia (KT Rolster)
Crazy (KT Rolster)
Brown (SK Telecom T1)
Mercury (SK Telecom T1)
JyJ (SK Telecom T1)
All these players left their teams so the thread is misleading a lot of people here as they still think that players like Crazy and Puzzle will play.
Also it seems that PenguiN joined Prime as he was PenguiN.Prime on DH prelims.
All actual rosters are here and it will be updated when the official rosters will be released, all other sites showing actual rosters are wrong:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:DiMano
Also plz change Kal -> GooJila and Absolute -> UngNim

HoeJJa and crazy and puzzle too? Oh god, that sucks.
The heart's eternal vow
mostwanted
Profile Joined March 2011
83 Posts
December 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#122
I hope ByuN will kick ass
illidanx
Profile Joined November 2011
United States973 Posts
December 16 2013 22:48 GMT
#123
On December 17 2013 05:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p


yes they do
Die-hard KeSPA fan
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 22:59:24
December 16 2013 22:52 GMT
#124
Wow, a proleague without Boxer, Bisu and Kim Ga Eul...

Edit: forgot to say this herO, EffOrt, Bbyong comp seems working well

P.S: Rooting for Sora to becoma a PL bonjwa, since Dear and Life are not there.
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MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
December 16 2013 23:57 GMT
#125
Hello Jin-Air Green Wings! New fan right here!
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
December 17 2013 00:39 GMT
#126
On December 17 2013 05:48 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 05:44 Kasaraki wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p

How should I kill you? SAMSUNG is the best team!!!!!!! Stork, JangBi, RorO, Shine, Reality GOGOGO!!!!! KHAN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they really were the best team then Jangbi wouldn't have retired. Hint, it wasn't because he disliked sc2 or whatever reason.

He left cause of salary and January. The team took all the money that he won from second places and they barely gave him a raise everytime that he asked. In addition, January cockblocked Jangbi from every finding out that there were a lot of other teams interested in him. He said that he made 60k in 2009 and only 35k in 2010.

Plus, don't forget that Stork himself is a huge hypocrite too (for example, ages ago he looked down on flash for not playing in PL when he had individual league later that night when Stork himself hadn't done so in past either)
<horangnabi> basically samsung gives shitty salary to everyone except stork
<horangnabi> and then stork hasa the balls to say stuff like progamer should protect their dignity and not do stuff for money and looking down on afreeca streams lol......

The man has worn a dinosuit and taken shirtless pics of self for photo suits and yet is still like that? Seriously?
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
December 17 2013 01:29 GMT
#127
On December 17 2013 04:44 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:
good writeup but do you really think Fantasy is an "ace level player"?


Fantasy, in my book, is the definition of a potential ace level player - the kind of player that Bomber also used to be - insanely strong in one or several aspects, hilariously weak in others.


I hate reading about SC2 fantasy purely for this reason. I miss when he was the boss. Well, he'll always be the boss in my eyes and even though I don't play SC2 anymore and don't enjoy watching it I'll never miss his games.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
December 17 2013 01:46 GMT
#128
If Kal IS a prodigy I'll laugh my socks off. I almost want him to
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19224 Posts
December 17 2013 01:46 GMT
#129
On December 17 2013 09:39 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 05:48 DiMano wrote:
On December 17 2013 05:44 Kasaraki wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2013 04:52 Kasaraki wrote:
Samsung's grade looks really happy.


Their fans won't

Samsung has fans?

:p

How should I kill you? SAMSUNG is the best team!!!!!!! Stork, JangBi, RorO, Shine, Reality GOGOGO!!!!! KHAN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they really were the best team then Jangbi wouldn't have retired. Hint, it wasn't because he disliked sc2 or whatever reason.

He left cause of salary and January. The team took all the money that he won from second places and they barely gave him a raise everytime that he asked. In addition, January cockblocked Jangbi from every finding out that there were a lot of other teams interested in him. He said that he made 60k in 2009 and only 35k in 2010.

Plus, don't forget that Stork himself is a huge hypocrite too (for example, ages ago he looked down on flash for not playing in PL when he had individual league later that night when Stork himself hadn't done so in past either)
basically samsung gives shitty salary to everyone except stork
and then stork hasa the balls to say stuff like progamer should protect their dignity and not do stuff for money and looking down on afreeca streams lol......

The man has worn a dinosuit and taken shirtless pics of self for photo suits and yet is still like that? Seriously?

Only Bisu can do no wrong and be a top Toss.
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Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
December 17 2013 02:21 GMT
#130
Oooh Kal shoulda joined Jin Air :/ I still don't understand why StarTale doesnt participate Seeing Bomber in a proleague booth would be awesome <3
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
December 17 2013 03:53 GMT
#131
IM to win it all.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
December 17 2013 03:57 GMT
#132
Wow crazy to think no Jaedong in proleague this season :/
JD, need I say more? :D
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
December 17 2013 05:22 GMT
#133
ESPORTS NEVER TAKES A SEMESTER OFF! Fuck yeah!

Poor Prime >.<. I hope MKP comes back, he was my favorite player (because of his micro)
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
December 17 2013 05:47 GMT
#134
On December 17 2013 12:57 LimeNade wrote:
Wow crazy to think no Jaedong in proleague this season :/


Indeed it is quite disturbing.
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
December 17 2013 05:51 GMT
#135
On December 17 2013 14:47 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 12:57 LimeNade wrote:
Wow crazy to think no Jaedong in proleague this season :/


Indeed it is quite disturbing.

Well there might be special matches with foreign teams or something so we'll have that
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
December 17 2013 09:04 GMT
#136
the : D grade for samsung confuses me on the one hand im sad that there that far down and are probably going to suck, on the other it look like a smiley face!
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 17 2013 10:29 GMT
#137
Update re; Hoejja: no longer plays for KT, has moved on to coaching (KT)
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Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
December 17 2013 12:41 GMT
#138
Hyped for SKT, seems like the list didn't include a lot of players who left/retired without much attention though =/
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 13:39:42
December 17 2013 13:38 GMT
#139
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 13:45:50
December 17 2013 13:44 GMT
#140
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

Oh yeah we saw 0 Prime games and ofc we can say such things out of the blue.
Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 14:50:23
December 17 2013 14:48 GMT
#141
Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.


Thanks to MarineKing... Not only that he had so many fans, when he was at his peak, Prime was also the best Team, mainly because he raped everyone. Lot of People are still fans because of that days, but if they don't get some charismatic players or a bit of success back, the amount of fans will rapidly decrease. So it seem like it will be rough season for them, incredibly sad that Maru left, even with him it would've been very difficult. I really hope some kind of miracle happens and saves the day for them...

...In my dreamworld MKP comes back in his old shape and rape everyone^^
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monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
December 17 2013 15:23 GMT
#142
i wish startale would had joined proleague too :/
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
December 17 2013 16:36 GMT
#143
On December 17 2013 00:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Will be a fun proleague for sure, but i think these rankings are kinda random at this point, we don't really know much about most of the players that didn't play since last proleague and with the bo5 format a team needs only 2-3 strong players and can still do great (even if it is obviously better if you have more ).


These aren't "rankings" for teams, it's a grade for the off season moves and has nothing to do with rankings. A team could have an A+ offseason before the season starts and still finish in the bottom half of the standings, that's just the nature of the game. So really you're looking at these offseason grades the complete wrong way if you think this is somehow a ranking or prediction of where teams will finish.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
December 17 2013 17:28 GMT
#144
On December 17 2013 23:48 Akaann wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.


Thanks to MarineKing... Not only that he had so many fans, when he was at his peak, Prime was also the best Team, mainly because he raped everyone. Lot of People are still fans because of that days, but if they don't get some charismatic players or a bit of success back, the amount of fans will rapidly decrease. So it seem like it will be rough season for them, incredibly sad that Maru left, even with him it would've been very difficult. I really hope some kind of miracle happens and saves the day for them...

...In my dreamworld MKP comes back in his old shape and rape everyone^^

Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 17 2013 17:32 GMT
#145
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

Sorry we arent all bandwagon fans and stay loyal to our team?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#146
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

Spoken like a true Startale fan.
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Profile Joined July 2010
Germany219 Posts
December 17 2013 20:19 GMT
#147
Now that my favorite and one of the oldest teams -Woongjin Stars- has abandoned, I hope the best for CJ in the upcoming season.
After all I'm a Zerg player, and how can you not like a team that has forged exciting players like Savior, Kwanro, Oversky and Effort...

PS. My heart will also be with Kal.Prime. May he carry the team as Jaedong once did Lecaf aka Hwaseung Oz.
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il_Cattivo
Profile Joined January 2013
Turkey54 Posts
December 17 2013 20:39 GMT
#148
If someone can break the SKT Zerg tradition, it should be Soulkey. If he can't, I will pack my stuff, fly to Korea and do a femen style topless protest during a live proleague match. I have decent manboobs.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 17 2013 21:01 GMT
#149
On December 18 2013 05:39 il_Cattivo wrote:
If someone can break the SKT Zerg tradition, it should be Soulkey. If he can't, I will pack my stuff, fly to Korea and do a femen style topless protest during a live proleague match. I have decent manboobs.


Already looking forward to that.
.
.
.
no.

Soulkey will break the tradition np

Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
December 17 2013 21:32 GMT
#150
EGTL was the best last season so eager to see how this pans out.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
December 17 2013 21:42 GMT
#151
On December 18 2013 02:28 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 23:48 Akaann wrote:
Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.


Thanks to MarineKing... Not only that he had so many fans, when he was at his peak, Prime was also the best Team, mainly because he raped everyone. Lot of People are still fans because of that days, but if they don't get some charismatic players or a bit of success back, the amount of fans will rapidly decrease. So it seem like it will be rough season for them, incredibly sad that Maru left, even with him it would've been very difficult. I really hope some kind of miracle happens and saves the day for them...

...In my dreamworld MKP comes back in his old shape and rape everyone^^

Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.


Oh please, let it be true!
Though Prime still need good toss if they want to compete in PvProleague.
And atm it looks kind of grim for them.
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astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 23:09:22
December 17 2013 23:01 GMT
#152
Maru, sOs, and Soulkey moving teams really shifts the power spectrum of the teams around. I still think Incredibly Miracle will do well as they are one of my favorite teams.

Btw, what happened to Legend after he left Startale and formed Team Epik? Any news on player signings?

On December 18 2013 06:32 Apollo_Shards wrote:
EGTL was the best last season so eager to see how this pans out.


EG-TL would have done really well if Proleague started a few months back, but now there are too many problems.. Taeja is having wrist issues again so he's out. EG let aLive, Oz, and Revival go. HerO is training with the IM house now and has fallen into a slight slump.
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Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
December 17 2013 23:21 GMT
#153
On December 18 2013 02:28 ssxsilver wrote:
Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.


That would be one of the best things that could happen to starcraft...

But he would have a hard time to fullfill the expectations. He would have to change a lot to become one of the top players again, but even if he would never manage to do that, i would just be happy to see him back
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 18 2013 06:30 GMT
#154
On December 18 2013 08:21 Akaann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:28 ssxsilver wrote:
Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.


That would be one of the best things that could happen to starcraft...

But he would have a hard time to fullfill the expectations. He would have to change a lot to become one of the top players again, but even if he would never manage to do that, i would just be happy to see him back


MKP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are totally right and it will give a bit of confidence to Prime in proleague just a bit.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 18 2013 07:17 GMT
#155
Sometimes you need a break, step back and get your mind off things. When Jaedong didn´t play the game around the last turn of the year, he returned to start his rise to power. Then again, he´s Jaedong and mindset has always been MKP´s weakness.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
December 18 2013 07:29 GMT
#156
I wonder if ex-eSF teams can make upsets...
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 18 2013 08:03 GMT
#157
On December 17 2013 03:47 Keeemy wrote:

KT's zerg lineup of hitmaN and Action is so sad. They really need to get Kangho or steal hyvaa or someone.


Don't be doubting MafiaZerg

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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 18 2013 08:04 GMT
#158
I call him midget zerg
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 18 2013 22:38 GMT
#159
Looking forward to see how the terrans do this season! Obv big names like Flash and Fantasy though I wish fanta started kicking ass he is so entertaining!
My personal favourite to watch is TY hope he has a great season always liked him but so much unrealised potential :/
Then players like Bunny and BravO hope they develop their talents! Wish it was bo7 or 9 to few spots for rookies and talents T_T
And then theres the solid terrans like reality and Byong etc.
Hope ByuN makes a comeback!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 18 2013 22:40 GMT
#160
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

funny, i'd've said that about bomber fans too for a long, long time.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 18 2013 22:52 GMT
#161
On December 19 2013 07:40 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

funny, i'd've said that about bomber fans too for a long, long time.

funny how he's still much more accomplished than all of Prime together
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 22:59:05
December 18 2013 22:58 GMT
#162
oh god fucking damnit Bomber. i knew i should have called in sick today. if i had watched i'm sure he would've won. were the games good at least?

someone sure sounds disappointed, wonder who?

I have nothing against bomber fans, but I surely dislike prime antifans
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 23:26:06
December 18 2013 23:24 GMT
#163
On December 19 2013 07:40 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

funny, i'd've said that about bomber fans too for a long, long time.

It's true about both of them though ^^
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 19 2013 02:13 GMT
#164
so pumped for proleague!!!! SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT :D

i dont really like the state of prime, IM, and MVP at the moment.. i wish StarTale or EGLiquid would be there instead. I hope their fortunes change for the better throughout the season and onto next season.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
December 19 2013 13:39 GMT
#165
On December 19 2013 07:58 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
oh god fucking damnit Bomber. i knew i should have called in sick today. if i had watched i'm sure he would've won. were the games good at least?

someone sure sounds disappointed, wonder who?

I have nothing against bomber fans, but I surely dislike prime antifans

lmao. i have nothing against Prime, in fact i used to be a fan when they still had MKP and Byun was kinda relevant. but let's be honest, they're bout to become absorbed by some other team pretty soon.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
skdeimos
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada155 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 21:59:39
December 19 2013 21:59 GMT
#166
On December 19 2013 11:13 Champi wrote:
so pumped for proleague!!!! SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT SKT :D

i dont really like the state of prime, IM, and MVP at the moment.. i wish StarTale or EGLiquid would be there instead. I hope their fortunes change for the better throughout the season and onto next season.


What's not to like about IM's position? They have Trap, HerO, Squirtle, Yongwha, and First, so their protoss lineup is going to be absolutely sick in PvProleague. Plus Mvp and YoDa for Terran depth. If they pick up another Zerg to back up ByuL (maybe hyvaa since SouL disbanded?) they would easily be playoff caliber.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44116 Posts
December 28 2013 16:32 GMT
#167
I agree with the top three standings (in no particular order though): SKT, CJ, and JAGW are looking to be incredibly strong this year.
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
December 28 2013 19:07 GMT
#168
I hope Prime wins the season with a Zerg in ace match.
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