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Sorathez
Australia209 Posts
Now THAT"S a team-kill. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 14 2013 08:21 bourne117 wrote: I know they aren't just saying in the last month or less Taeja has played all of them and has won against all of them. It obviously won't be easy (they are the underdog for a reason) but they have Taeja and its an all kill format so there is always a chance especially when Acer doesn't have any super reliable player to snipe Taeja. He's 2-2 vs Scarlett and 5-4 vs MMA, hardly a spectacular record. He does a very good record vs Innovation, 9-3. And he's still 1-7 vs Jaedong. Hah. | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On December 14 2013 08:32 Bagration wrote: Hopefully that doesn't happen. Liquid barely squeezed their way to the playoffs, while Acer dominated. Acer is definitely the better team. Oh no doubt. But Liquid has the best player that has no clear weak point and in this format that can mean a lot. He's 2-2 vs Scarlett and 5-4 vs MMA, hardly a spectacular record. He does a very good record vs Innovation, 9-3. On December 14 2013 08:50 Squat wrote: And he's still 1-7 vs Jaedong. Hah. Yeah but Taeja beat Scarlet 2-1 at HSC beat MMA 3-2 at DH Winter and Innovation 2-1 also so nothing I said is false. And what does the point about JD have anything to do with this? Is JD there? No. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 14 2013 08:51 bourne117 wrote: Oh no doubt. But Liquid has the best player that has no clear weak point and in this format that can mean a lot. He's 2-2 vs Scarlett and 5-4 vs MMA, hardly a spectacular record. He does a very good record vs Innovation, 9-3. Yeah but Taeja beat Scarlet 2-1 at HSC beat MMA 3-2 at DH Winter and Innovation 2-1 also so nothing I said is false. And what does the point about JD have anything to do with this? Is JD there? No. The point is there are far too few games vs MMA and Scarlett and the records are far too even to draw any conclusion that Taeja has an advantage against either. If anything Liquid wants to match him against Innovation while avoiding the aforementioned duo. Too much of a gamble. If MMA or Scarlett loses vs Taeja, Acer is still ok, if Taeja goes down before taking out Innovation, TL is fucked. The JD thing was just to gloat because JD is awesome and stomps the supposedly best terran in the world like it ain't no thang whenever they play. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
Yeah I don't know what this guy is smoking either | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:00 Squat wrote: The point is there are far too few games vs MMA and Scarlett and the records are far too even to draw any conclusion that Taeja has an advantage against either. If anything Liquid wants to match him against Innovation while avoiding the aforementioned duo. Too much of a gamble. If MMA or Scarlett loses vs Taeja, Acer is still ok, if Taeja goes down before taking out Innovation, TL is fucked. The JD thing was just to gloat because JD is awesome and stomps the supposedly best terran in the world like it ain't no thang whenever they play. I wasn't saying there was a clear advantage but that recent records show Taeja has a slight edge. And don't forget Taeja basically gets two lives because of the format which I think is huge. Without that I think they have a WAY smaller chance. But beating Taeja twice is not going to be easy. Taeja has gone up against much deeper teams in the past and come up big for TL (IPL TAC 3 *cough cough*) And about JD Taeja has more championships than JD and all are equal or bigger wins than JDs sole win. And he doesn't stomp him. Since Taeja has actually been in form they have played one bo3 series iirc and it was a 1-2 JD and that was when Taeja was still not looking too hot because he then lost to heart. Where was JD at DH winter? Oh that's right couldn't win a series outside of his relatively easy group while Taeja went on to smash multiple players in the top 10 overall right now. On December 14 2013 09:02 DavoS wrote: Yeah I don't know what this guy is smoking either me neither. On top of that I have a hard time even trying to figure out what he is trying to say. Does he mean Taeja didn't carry Team Taeja err Liquid at IPL TAC 3? | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:10 bourne117 wrote: And about JD Taeja has more championships than JD and all are equal or bigger wins than JDs sole win. And he doesn't stomp him. Since Taeja has actually been in form they have played one bo3 series iirc and it was a 1-2 JD and that was when Taeja was still not looking too hot because he then lost to heart. Where was JD at DH winter? Oh that's right couldn't win a series outside of his relatively easy group while Taeja went on to smash multiple players in the top 10 overall right now. Cool, by that reasoning the only reason JD didn't win more tournaments than Taeja is because he was not in form, so it doesn't count. 1-7 is still 1-7, you don't get to pretend like some of those games didn't happen because Taeja played poorly. Taeja not having any real mental fortitude is a legitimate weakness and something we've seen more than once, it's not some kind of freak occurrence that makes him lose games randomly. And you don't want to do the "my guy has more tournament wins!" thing here, 5 major titles in BW trump pretty much anything ever achieved in SC2. Is Taeja the best player right now? Possibly, he has a good claim to it, better than more or less anyone else. Is he still prone to tilting and under-performing? I think so. | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:26 Squat wrote: Cool, by that reasoning the only reason JD didn't win more tournaments than Taeja is because he was not in form, so it doesn't count. 1-7 is still 1-7, you don't get to pretend like some of those games didn't happen because Taeja played poorly. Taeja not having any real mental fortitude is a legitimate weakness and something we've seen more than once, it's not some kind of freak occurrence that makes him lose games randomly. And you don't want to do the "my guy has more tournament wins!" thing here, 5 major titles in BW trump pretty much anything ever achieved in SC2. Is Taeja the best player right now? Possibly, he has a good claim to it, better than more or less anyone else. Is he still prone to tilting and under-performing? I think so. Ok you have convinced you have very little idea what you are talking about. 1. By out of form I meant dealing with wrist injuries so bad you almost retired there was a reason he barely played PL after season 1. 2. How on earth does taeja not have mental fortitude? He is arguably the best Team league ace in SC. Has shown to be beyond clutch for his team on multiple occasions. During the first summer of taeja was easily the most concaistent Terran for the last year of WoL (last non Zerg ever in the GSL WoL) then when his wrists got better was right back to being. Top 10 or better player. In terms of consistency he is probably one of the very best in all of SC. If you still think he has weak mental fortitude or often underperformed and tilts please find 5 examples of that. 3. We are talking about SC2 not BW. No one denies JD is a legend but in SC2 Taeja is the undeniable better overall player and the results clearly show that. 4. Because we are talking about a team league tournament let me ask you a question. If you could start a SC2 team with one ace player who would you take. JD or taeja? | ||
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:37 bourne117 wrote: Ok you have convinced you have very little idea what you are talking about. 1. By out of form I meant dealing with wrist injuries so bad you almost retired there was a reason he barely played PL after season 1. 2. How on earth does taeja not have mental fortitude? He is arguably the best Team league ace in SC. Has shown to be beyond clutch for his team on multiple occasions. During the first summer of taeja was easily the most concaistent Terran for the last year of WoL (last non Zerg ever in the GSL WoL) then when his wrists got better was right back to being. Top 10 or better player. In terms of consistency he is probably one of the very best in all of SC. If you still think he has weak mental fortitude or often underperformed and tilts please find 5 examples of that. 3. We are talking about SC2 not BW. No one denies JD is a legend but in SC2 Taeja is the undeniable better overall player and the results clearly show that. 4. Because we are talking about a team league tournament let me ask you a question. If you could start a SC2 team with one ace player who would you take. JD or taeja? Dozens of players deal with wrist injuries, it's a fact of life as a pro gamer. It doesn't invalidate results. If it did we would of course have to say the HSC victory vs Scarlett doesn't count since she had just taken a big break for wrist issues of her own. But of course we won't do that because that would be silly. Taeja has been known to GG early, has said more than once he is in it mostly for the money. Honestly I don't even give a shit about whether he is the best or not, this conversation is dumb. He is a fantastic player who is often overrated by his sometimes rather delusional fans, possibly the best player in the world but he will never live up to the absurd image TL fans have of him. I think he loses to Scarlett and beats MMA of they play this weekend. | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:53 Squat wrote: Dozens of players deal with wrist injuries, it's a fact of life as a pro gamer. It doesn't invalidate results. If it did we would of course have to say the HSC victory vs Scarlett doesn't count since she had just taken a big break for wrist issues of her own. But of course we won't do that because that would be silly. Taeja has been known to GG early, has said more than once he is in it mostly for the money. Honestly I don't even give a shit about whether he is the best or not, this conversation is dumb. He is a fantastic player who is often overrated by his sometimes rather delusional fans, possibly the best player in the world but he will never live up to the absurd image TL fans have of him. I think he loses to Scarlett and beats MMA of they play this weekend. There can be different degrees of severity to an injury. When a player has to cancel playing in the most prestigious league in SC because he physically can't practice enough and is struggling from it so much he is about to retire. And saying ignore a win vs Scarlett when the next two weekends she had massive wins against bomber doesn't really make a lot of sense. GGing early is not even close to saying he has weak mental fortitude or starts titling. He GGs because he thinks the game is over. Some players stay way to late like fantasy or MKP does that mean they have way more mental fortitude because they think they can still win? Of course not. Saying he is in it for the money is obviously a very black and white statement. He clearly still cares about his fans but at the same time any player that is telling you they don't care at all about the money is flat out lying. Finally what image do you think TL fans have of him that he can't live up to? He is a top 3 player in the world unquestionably. He is one of the most clutch TL players in all of SC. Has carried TL through multiple team leagues including this one. How can you possibly hold someone to higher standards than that? | ||
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sithvincent
24 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On December 14 2013 10:59 sithvincent wrote: Gogo Team Taeja, Team San, Team INnoVation and Team SlayerS! Taeja ad MMA are both Slayers Terrans. Boxer's legacy is just too strong. | ||
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Kitai
United States885 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On December 14 2013 11:43 Kitai wrote: As much as I'm a fan of Liquid, they only have 1 super heavy hitter to Acer's 3 =/. While I'd favor TaeJa over any of them individually, asking him to beat all 3 is a really tall order. Not looking good without HerO. Don't forget he can be played twice because of the ace player so its more like 2v4. Still hard but not AS hard lol. | ||
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Sophisticado
United Kingdom42 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:39 GranDGranT wrote: Go nerchio! Not at ATC i'm afraid :--/ | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On December 14 2013 02:46 ACrow wrote: Hahaha, poor TLO will have to hear that sentence about as long as Huk will hear the one about top three control  it's okay you just pretend it isn't sarcasm! :D | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On December 14 2013 02:14 Nerchio wrote: Go Acer! Go this guy111 | ||
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