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On December 13 2013 02:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On December 12 2013 23:55 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 12 2013 23:30 Larkin wrote:
Can people actually watch this? It was so good last season, but no one watches... What do you mean ? He's talking out of his butt. Let me explain something for those who like to bitch and moan about viewership. Compared to every other bush league out there and the GSTL the numbers are similar across the board. Why do I pay attention to the actual numbers myself? So I can kibosh people like Larkin every time they try to get smart. The numbers really are no different on this website when it comes to western teams playing against each other with TB to SKT versus CJ in PL, which is quite remarkable because it shows consistency in such events. It doesn't matter if it's foreigners. It doesn't matter if it's Koreans or necessarily the time of the event. People will tune it to watch and the key thing to note here is across the board the numbers are almost identical. It's so miniscule it's not worth noting. I know TB said he brings in a few thousand more people because of his viewer base and this is true for things like the ATC, but it's not a significant impact. Actually iirc the highest western views Proleague ever got was when I casted it with Mr Bitter. Also EGTL always got the highest views in Proleague when they played, so the argument that foreign owned teams somehow don't bring in more eyeballs is nonsense.
It's also entirely moot. My enjoyment of SPL is not contingent on the foreign viewership numbers.
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On December 13 2013 01:56 Radicalness wrote:
I didn't read every comment yet but am I the only one who liked Whiplash and Super Nova Maniac?
They brought energy and excitement imo. I loved the "Geeeeegeeeeeeeeeee" every time someone won a match and SPM always had a ton of cool facts even if he did stumble on his fluidity at times. I thought they did a great job overall.
They were my favorite casters because of the sheer energy and respect they brought to Proleague.
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Someone please tell me that "Samsung Galaxy" in the OP is a typo and that they didn't change their team name to the name of Samsung's smartphone line..
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On December 13 2013 03:58 iamho wrote:
Someone please tell me that "Samsung Galaxy" in the OP is a typo and that they didn't change their team name to the name of Samsung's smartphone line..
They did.
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On December 13 2013 03:48 Gen.Rolly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 01:56 Radicalness wrote:
I didn't read every comment yet but am I the only one who liked Whiplash and Super Nova Maniac?
They brought energy and excitement imo. I loved the "Geeeeegeeeeeeeeeee" every time someone won a match and SPM always had a ton of cool facts even if he did stumble on his fluidity at times. I thought they did a great job overall. They were my favorite casters because of the sheer energy and respect they brought to Proleague.
While I was never satisfied with his casting during Proleague, I actually found Whiplash to be much improved by the time he co-casted WCS KR s2 with Doa. They've become one of my favorite pairs. Actually, Doa + jester is almost always my favorite pair. I miss him with Catzpajamas.
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On December 13 2013 03:43 vesicular wrote:
It's also entirely moot. My enjoyment of SPL is not contingent on the foreign viewership numbers.
Yes but your enjoyment of SPL is perhaps the most irrelevant statistical point in any meaningful discussion, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here.
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On December 13 2013 03:59 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 03:58 iamho wrote:
Someone please tell me that "Samsung Galaxy" in the OP is a typo and that they didn't change their team name to the name of Samsung's smartphone line.. They did.
As far as I know they are Samsung Galaxy Khan (that's what Roro was called in the Hot6ix Cup).
Basically:
Galaxy Khan = SC2
Galaxy Ozone and Blue = LoL
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Whew, at least they kept the "Khan."
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On December 13 2013 06:14 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Whew, at least they kept the "Khan."
Yeah atleast the good ol' khan is intact. If they would have gone to full smartphone even i would have gone apeshit.
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On December 13 2013 02:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 01:32 StarStruck wrote:On December 12 2013 23:55 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 12 2013 23:30 Larkin wrote:
Can people actually watch this? It was so good last season, but no one watches... What do you mean ? He's talking out of his butt. Let me explain something for those who like to bitch and moan about viewership. Compared to every other bush league out there and the GSTL the numbers are similar across the board. Why do I pay attention to the actual numbers myself? So I can kibosh people like Larkin every time they try to get smart. The numbers really are no different on this website when it comes to western teams playing against each other with TB to SKT versus CJ in PL, which is quite remarkable because it shows consistency in such events. It doesn't matter if it's foreigners. It doesn't matter if it's Koreans or necessarily the time of the event. People will tune it to watch and the key thing to note here is across the board the numbers are almost identical. It's so miniscule it's not worth noting. I know TB said he brings in a few thousand more people because of his viewer base and this is true for things like the ATC, but it's not a significant impact. Actually iirc the highest western views Proleague ever got was when I casted it with Mr Bitter. Also EGTL always got the highest views in Proleague when they played, so the argument that foreign owned teams somehow don't bring in more eyeballs is nonsense.
Actually that had more to do with your own viewer base (the numbers went up for ATC as you were casting). the discrepancy goes between 3K to 10K on average when you consider all the other factors the consistency is the same. You guys got to cast EG-TL and it was one of the first telecasts so of course the number was going to be a little higher than normal. That's what happens at the start. Let's say Mil is playing Axiom-Acer. Guess what those figures are similar too? CJ verus Stars. Baddah bing baddo boom. At the end of the day, it might be different viewers tuning in, but the numbers lineup regardless.
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opterown
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after EG-TL kinda bombed out of PL, interest/viewership dropped for a fair length iirc. the first few broadcasts were popular because everyone was expecting EG-TL to do well.
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On December 13 2013 06:44 opterown wrote:
after EG-TL kinda bombed out of PL, interest/viewership dropped for a fair length iirc. the first few broadcasts were popular because everyone was expecting EG-TL to do well.
yep, but that doesn't change the fact that the viewership numbers for different leagues still bring in roughly the same numbers for certain matches and that's the point I was trying to make originally, which is kind of interesting once you think about it with all the moving pieces on this website because the ATC does get similar views to PL. I found that quite interesting.
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opterown
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i think that's somewhat mainly due to the fact that ATC has better viewing times for the western audience, especially EU, which is the bulk of western esports viewership.
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EG-TL days on Proleague were always the highest stream numbers by far. Maybe something like 3-7k vs 1.5k. My memory is a little fuzzy.
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On December 13 2013 06:20 Sepi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 06:14 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Whew, at least they kept the "Khan." Yeah atleast the good ol' khan is intact. If they would have gone to full smartphone even i would have gone apeshit. Considering how many Galaxy phones there are these days, how long can it be until they release a phone with the same name?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
can't wait for the Storkphone
i'll buy a RorOphOne for Zealously too.
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On December 13 2013 07:20 opterown wrote:
can't wait for the Storkphone
i'll buy a RorOphOne for Zealously too.
Please no I'm innocent
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On December 13 2013 07:23 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:20 opterown wrote:
can't wait for the Storkphone
i'll buy a RorOphOne for Zealously too. Please no I'm innocent
Roro is cute and innocent too.
I don't see a problem~
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I like how they have Bisu and JangBi in the trailer. haha
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dont know why you guy keeps shitting on viewership or how bad SPL is stream-wise. I've said it thousand of times, this is a televised cable program. Not like they care about a few thousand of (mostly unsubscribed) viewers with that charity price.
Even for online experience, there are Korean ones like some naver stream or SPOTV (which is also on some kind of cable iirc) in which Korean audience is the focus. Yeah not a few thousand of mostly unsubscribed viewers who bitch about 4 days of free, great entertainment every week
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