Balance hasn't been much of an issue for half a year already I feel. The issues are small enough that a tournament can easily fix it by map selection. The combination of maps and general balance favor P just a little bit in general now I guess, possibly oracle buff was a bit much or maps like yeonsu favor P a little too much.

mudgolem

Canada1 Post

December 09 2013 01:13 GMT

#63

imo having watched pretty much all the tournaments this year, the Zerg buff to overseer speed combined with mine nerf really swung the favor to Zerg way too much. Mines are made near useless and Terrans have no other effective counter to Muta/bling ball. Before these two changes TvZ was entertaining and I thought very fair to both races but now after the changes I see more and more Zergs winning quite one sided their matches vs terrans. Seems like we're back to last year of WoL. Not fun to watch TvZ lately and really starting to affect my faith in Blizzard's balance team.

Mantaza

Germany87 Posts

December 09 2013 01:59 GMT

#64

On December 09 2013 08:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
huh, the PvT stats are odd. If anything you'd think it'd be the other way around with Protoss mostly getting all the benefits in the last patch.

It's not like we've seen an increase in mech nor even more siege tank usage in that matchup.

no but players learn to adapt to certain things...
and wtf is wrong with this biased talk here ? I have enough of people flaming in their dia or master league... Man at masters lvl you are not a top tier player you are really good but you have still a lot of room to improve.
Stop wasting your time flaming and instead start analyzing your replays and improve your Gameplay...

Dontkillme

Korea (South)806 Posts

December 09 2013 02:08 GMT

#65

Someone mind explaining how the winrate for T v P went up for terran after the oracle buff. wat

ffadicted

United States3545 Posts

December 09 2013 02:11 GMT

#66

On December 09 2013 11:08 Dontkillme wrote:
Someone mind explaining how the winrate for T v P went up for terran after the oracle buff. wat

Because everybody saying that the world was over-reacting was right? lol A match up was never going to go to the shitter because a harrassing unit that at most gets 2 or 3 made all game got a little speed boost lol Maybe the win% of oracle all-in builds went up, but alas, because this isn't ladder, you can't just do the same sh*t every game and expect to be successful.

Anyway, that change had by far the biggest impact in PvP

Waxangel

United States33704 Posts

December 09 2013 02:14 GMT

#67

is DK a god?

Ben...

Canada3485 Posts

December 09 2013 02:22 GMT

#68

On December 09 2013 11:14 Waxangel wrote:
is DK a god?

Yes, yes he is.

Armada Vega

Canada120 Posts

December 09 2013 04:32 GMT

#69

I think the patch had little to balance the game for terran in TvP. Who goes tanks against protoss on a regular basis? they are not used. And a lot of protoss, especially KR/EU go for early HT, not Colossus for some time. So I don't see the combined upgrades making a difference at all until its vikings vs Colossus.

If anything, it would seem that a lot more protoss have gone for an Oracle opening or proxy oracles every game, and for this reason it has become easier for terrans to figure it out and defend it? even if blindly countering it? not sure.

Crownlol

United States3726 Posts

December 09 2013 04:44 GMT

#70

On December 09 2013 09:12 goody153 wrote:
balance still pretty good. i was expecting horrible balance like 20% winrate increase from one side

Massive whining from one race about one matchup in particular doesn't indicate actual imbalance. It just indicates who's crying more on Reddit

MrMotionPicture

United States4327 Posts

December 09 2013 04:56 GMT

#71

Wow. That is some pretty good data to see.

9-BiT

United States1089 Posts

December 09 2013 05:00 GMT

#72

On December 09 2013 11:14 Waxangel wrote:
is DK a god?

I fear personally for DK's life, one week he is hailed as a god and the next he is slandered all over TL.

Shellshock

United States97277 Posts

December 09 2013 05:06 GMT

#73

I just realized that the first time I came to the thread I thought it was before on top and after on bottom and was wondering why everyone was saying it was getting better

DiMano

Korea (South)2066 Posts

December 09 2013 05:12 GMT

#74

I am very sad that there is no balance at premier tournaments.

9-BiT

United States1089 Posts

December 09 2013 05:17 GMT

#75

On December 09 2013 14:12 DiMano wrote:
I am very sad that there is no balance at premier tournaments.

Me too

larse

1611 Posts

December 09 2013 05:47 GMT

#76

Oh damn the winrate was wrong. My mistake. I have updated the corrected version. Is it possible that admins can edit the title of the thread to include "FIXED"? Admins, please? Thank you

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Metalcore1993

New Zealand92 Posts

December 09 2013 05:49 GMT

#77

Yay Terran doing badly. That means we are next for a buff!!! AMIRIGHT!!!

FrostedMiniWheats

United States30730 Posts

December 09 2013 05:50 GMT

#78

Okay yeah, that makes a little more sense with the PvT, even though Terran still did slightly better post-patch.

ZvP is right where I thought it was -_-;