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Original data sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApECVF5U539XdE9kM0F6X1ZMMVNGQzIxdk9nYlYwYlE&usp=sharing
Included tournaments:
2013 Global StarCraft II League Hot6ix Cup
ASUS ROG NorthCon 2013 2013 Dailymotion Cup
2013 Intel Extreme Masters S8 Global Challenge Singapore
2013 World Cyber Games Finals
2013 DreamHack Open Winter
Acer TeamStory Cup Season 2
2013 Red Bull Battle Grounds New York City
HomeStory Cup VIII
2013 Global StarCraft 2 Team League Season 2
2013 WCS Global Finals
2013 WCS Season 3 America Challenger Group Stage
StarsWar League Season 3
2013 WCS Season 3 Finals
2013 WCS Season 3 Europe Challenger Group Stage
2013 WCS Season 3 America Premier
2013 WCS KR: JOGUNSHOP GSL Season 3 Code S
2013 WCS Korea Season 3: GSL Challenger
2013 WCS Season 3 America Challenger Bracket Stage
2013 Intel Extreme Masters S8 Global Challenge New York
2013 WCS Season 3 Europe Premier
2013 WCS Season 3 Europe Challenger Bracket Stage
2013 WCS Season 3 America Qualifier #1
2013 WCS Season 3 Europe Qualifier #1
2013 WCS KR: GSL Season 3 Qualifier
2013 WCS Season 3 Europe Qualifier #2
2013 WCS Season 3 America Qualifier #2
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Interesting, definitely expected different stats at TvZ, before and after the patch. You mean the mine patch, don´t you?
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That's pretty damn balanced.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Gj with TvZ blizz and thank Taeja for those Terran wins in TvP.
But to be fair I expected worse
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i like how the winrate before the oracle buff is for protoss higher then after... Its just that people nowadays learned how to deal with Oracle thats why its closer to the 50% now. Funny is how the TvZ MU was 50% before patch and now just favors zerg a bit Oo
But overall is the winrate rly good and its really close to perfectly balanced, when my opponents now flame that toss OP is im just going to post this shit... Man always blame the balance instead of working on your own mistakes.
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But this can't be true! These forums have been telling me this whole time that Blizzard hates Terran and Protoss has a 90% winrate against Terran!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 09 2013 06:15 GumBa wrote:
Gj with TvZ blizz and thank Taeja for those Terran wins in TvP.
But to be fair I expected worse
You realise that TvP was actually, statistically, less balanced pre-patch? With a per-matchup sample size of some 800 games (I think we can assume at least 600 TvPs were played post-patch), I don't think Taeja being a beast influenced the win rates that much.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On December 09 2013 06:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 06:15 GumBa wrote:
Gj with TvZ blizz and thank Taeja for those Terran wins in TvP.
But to be fair I expected worse You realise that TvP was actually, statistically, less balanced pre-patch? With a per-matchup sample size of some 800 games (I think we can assume at least 600 TvPs were played post-patch), I don't think Taeja being a beast influenced the win rates that much.
I know. Im just personally frustrated at my own play at the moment ao im jut generally abit bitter and cynical  so please dont take everything I say by word.
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damn that siege tank buff must've made a great impact on TvP and looks like the oracle buff wasn't doing what it was intended to do.
Can we expect another buff on the oracle?
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Is there a way to filter the games and sort them according to game duration?
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On December 09 2013 06:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 06:15 GumBa wrote:
Gj with TvZ blizz and thank Taeja for those Terran wins in TvP.
But to be fair I expected worse You realise that TvP was actually, statistically, less balanced pre-patch? With a per-matchup sample size of some 800 games (I think we can assume at least 600 TvPs were played post-patch), I don't think Taeja being a beast influenced the win rates that much.
Post-patch TvP sample size is 286
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Is there a way to filter these games and adjust them to my personal view of balance?
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On December 09 2013 06:28 nkr wrote:
Is there a way to filter these games and adjust them to my personal view of balance?
I post the original data set. You can do your own stuff with it.
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I got almost the same thing with Aligulac stats from the 4th october till now.
Pre patch
PvT 53,8%
PvZ 48,3%
TvZ 50,4%
Post patch
PvT 52,5%
PvZ 52,3%
TvZ 48,0%
But looking at the last list (list 99), things aren't going on the right tracks :
PvT 54.29%
PvZ 50.83%
TvZ 42.91%
Anyway, I think the reason why PvT has a more balanced W/R after the patch is that really good protoss like Daer, Trap & co didn't play that much after the 11/11.
For TvZ, we see more and more mass mutalisk that looks like a bit imbalanced.
Anyway, there are way less TvX match up than the others, that's also something that need to be noticed.
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Well those tournaments including the few best KR terrans are one thing. So the game seems pretty balanced at the high end Level of Play.
But what about this?
Protoss GMs by Region:
America ~ 98
Europe ~ 92
Korea ~ 82
Just random numbers? I don't think so. I think it's wrong to just look at those numbers and claim that the game is finally balanced.
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Where are the Korea only graphs at?
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Canada13425 Posts
On December 09 2013 06:53 RyF wrote:
Well those tournaments including the few best KR terrans are one thing. So the game seems pretty balanced at the high end Level of Play.
But what about this?
Protoss GMs by Region:
America ~ 98
Europe ~ 92
Korea ~ 82
Just random numbers? I don't think so. I think it's wrong to just look at those numbers and claim that the game is finally balanced.
Ladder is ladder. You can win randomly on ladder. There are a lot of one base all ins protoss can do vs Terran. Its similar to how terran was dominating early WoL - they just had so many early options that ladder could be abused by it.
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On December 09 2013 06:50 Faust852 wrote:
I got almost the same thing with Aligulac stats from the 4th october till now.
Pre patch
PvT 53,8%
PvZ 48,3%
TvZ 50,4%
Post patch
PvT 52,5%
PvZ 52,3%
TvZ 48,0%
But looking at the last list (list 99), things aren't going on the right tracks :
PvT 54.29%
PvZ 50.83%
TvZ 42.91%
Anyway, I think the reason why PvT has a more balanced W/R after the patch is that really good protoss like Daer, Trap & co didn't play that much after the 11/11.
For TvZ, we see more and more mass mutalisk that looks like a bit imbalanced.
Anyway, there are way less TvX match up than the others, that's also something that need to be noticed.
Yeah I also noticed the huge surge with terrans in Aligulac. Also you point out a good point, the small amount of TvX matches, even in mirrors as in aligulac you have 134 PvP, 68 TvT, 170 ZvZ.
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On December 09 2013 06:56 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 06:53 RyF wrote:
Well those tournaments including the few best KR terrans are one thing. So the game seems pretty balanced at the high end Level of Play.
But what about this?
Protoss GMs by Region:
America ~ 98
Europe ~ 92
Korea ~ 82
Just random numbers? I don't think so. I think it's wrong to just look at those numbers and claim that the game is finally balanced.
Ladder is ladder. You can win randomly on ladder. There are a lot of one base all ins protoss can do vs Terran. Its similar to how terran was dominating early WoL - they just had so many early options that ladder could be abused by it.
And it got nerfed. Why shouldn't it be the case now ?
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