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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
TvP seems balanced, but the oracle is still broken, because any unit with high damage that can obliterate mineral lines gives the game another luck factor, (like DTs, pre-nerfed hellbats, banshees during 1/1/1) and the game is already heavily luck based as is. I only expect Protoss to continue to win more against T and Z in the future | ||
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mihajovics
179 Posts
Than I flipped some again and now tails won 102 out of 195, that's a 52.3% winrate for TvH. OMG T got better after patch!!! blah, blah, imba, imba, redesign the game, remove forciefieldstimcolossusswarmhost give us back the reaver. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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VieuxSinge
France231 Posts
On December 09 2013 23:50 BakedButters wrote: I expect Terrans to stop doing MMMM, and go into mech to balance out TvZ. One can still hope. Sorry for being disillusional but I don't think it will happen :-p | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
As expected, this patch is a failure and illustrates the fact that most of the changes were not necessary. | ||
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
I think the sample size is way too small considering the amount of metagaming that goes on in these tournaments. Also the korean vs foreigner skill gap. Is there any tool available to look at ALL korean GM games? | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
Bigger sample size, then others complain about the quality of the games. No matter how big or small sample sizes are, people find a way to discredit it. Maybe we should kidnap all those top Korean players and have them play millions of games in a basement so that we can finally have a huge quality sample size. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:22 Orek wrote: Smaller sample size, then some people complain about it. Bigger sample size, then others complain about the quality of the games. No matter how big or small sample sizes are, people find a way to discredit it. Maybe we should kidnap all those top Korean players and have them play millions of games in a basement so that we can finally have a huge quality sample size. Without Top5 player each race is the best. A top5 player is winning against everyone until he mets a top5 player from other race. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 10 2013 01:39 deepfield1 wrote: so 2400 total games.. how many of those are PVT? I think the sample size is way too small considering the amount of metagaming that goes on in these tournaments. Also the korean vs foreigner skill gap. Is there any tool available to look at ALL korean GM games? 205 TvP games after the patch. 428 games before the patch. Btw. If I am doing my math correctly, there is around 350 game discrepancy between the sample size stated on the image and the actual games listed in the google doc. Not sure where those games disappeared, I asked the OP about it, but so far no response from him. | ||
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:22 Orek wrote: Smaller sample size, then some people complain about it. Bigger sample size, then others complain about the quality of the games. No matter how big or small sample sizes are, people find a way to discredit it. Maybe we should kidnap all those top Korean players and have them play millions of games in a basement so that we can finally have a huge quality sample size. all of korean GM would be a good place to start. Who is complaining about a large sample size? and quality of games? lol | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:32 Qwerty85 wrote: 205 TvP games after the patch. 428 games before the patch. Btw. If I am doing my math correctly, there is around 350 game discrepancy between the sample size stated on the image and the actual games listed in the google doc. Not sure where those games disappeared, I asked the OP about it, but so far no response from him. Sorry the data set was not updated since the mistake. It is now updated. Pre patch TvP has a sample size of 509 post patch TvP has a sample size of 205 | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On December 10 2013 04:05 deepfield1 wrote: all of korean GM would be a good place to start. Who is complaining about a large sample size? and quality of games? lol Sure let's use blind, random bo1s online to determine our balance. I never really figured this out, no one has ever before pointed to ladder as legitimate balance evidence until now and anyone that tried was basically mocked. A race that relies more on tricks and gimmicks(Protoss) will naturally be better on ladder. | ||
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
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MadeInEarth
United States1 Post
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
OP can you give us p-values for the changes? I'd like to see how statistically significant the changes in winrate before and after the patch are. | ||
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yokohama
United States1116 Posts
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