Kespa Chairman announced at the G-Star Festival that Prime, MVP, IM and Najin joined Kespa.
He also talked about the Next Generation E-Sports Action plan with two stages.
1. Stage: Is to open the door for every party who wants to join in E-Sports activities 2. Stage: Improvement of System and different System plans are the key factor. The Korean Sports Council will hold a meeting in January 2014 and Kespa will apply to become a formal member. (Something with the Iesf and Kespa to face better issues and strengthen esports interests)
On December 28th the SC2 Proleague will start with eight teams Prime, IM, MVP Hotsix, SKT, KT, Samsung, CJ Entus and Green Wings.
Together with Proleague and LoL World Cup participating Teams and Players we will open a "Kespa Shop" as a matching and different Revenue Model. (Details about financing the costs of the shop, the initial costs will be paid by Kespa)
Kespa Chairman said Busan is besides the Movie and Baseball festvial city will also be the Game Festival City. The recent Game regulations policys is because of stagnating Korean games companies. In this Situation the large game companies should be a supportive elder brother.
(The korean companies should try to react reasonably) in the wake of G-Star this should be a restoration period for the korean game companies.
dont see a thread on this yet, so might as well. hopefully we can see those teams play in proleague
Kespa Chairman announced at the G-Star Festival that Prime, MVP, IM and Najin joined Kespa.
He also talked about the Next Generation E-Sports Action plan with two stages.
1. Stage: Is to open the door for every party who wants to join in E-Sports activities 2. Stage: Improvement of System and different System plans are the key factor. The Korean Sports Council will hold a meeting in January 2014 and Kespa will apply to become a formal member. (Something with the Iesf and Kespa to face better issues and strengthen esports interests)
On December 28th the SC2 Proleague will start with eight teams Prime, IM, MVP Hotsix, SKT, KT, Samsung, CJ Entus and Green Wings.
Together with Proleague and LoL World Cup participating Teams and Players we will open a "Kespa Shop" as a matching and different Revenue Model. (Details about financing the costs of the shop, the initial costs will be paid by Kespa)
Kespa Chairman said Busan is besides the Movie and Baseball festvial city will also be the Game Festival City. The recent Game regulations policys is because of stagnating Korean games companies. In this Situation the large game companies should be a supportive elder brother.
(The korean companies should try to react reasonably) in the wake of G-Star this should be a restoration period for the korean game companies. ---------------------------------------
if somebody finds errors in my translation please point it out. I will fix it!
yay for another sc2 proleague, pl is one of the few sc2 tournaments I watch, also I think this confirms that there will def be a LoL proleague soon since I don't see why Najin would join kespa unless they want to get into sc2
not surprising. We knew this or rather heard lots of rumours about it from a while back. I believe the prime coach mentioned it in an interview as well. Still, maybe they'll have more success with sponsors
I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
On November 16 2013 17:39 Vonthin wrote: I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
I don't think it will be a real hybrid league but they will probably have the 2 leagues played on the same day. First sc2 and then lol at the prime time slot. Maybe some league fans will be in the audience for sc2, cause they wanna have seats for lol (lol). Whatever, i am looking forward to proleague, even without JD
Expected this since the moment those teams left ESF and I couldn't be happier. I miss seeing IM and MVP in the team leagues, super hyped to see them in proleague!
I thought WJS players would still find a way to join the proleague...
btw, i really hope(i knew it's quite impossible) that they could just merge GSTL and SPL together into one team league, that would be the greatest starcraft 2 team league ever...
On November 16 2013 17:49 lystier wrote: I thought WJS players would still find a way to join the proleague...
btw, i really hope(i knew it's quite impossible) that they could just merge GSTL and SPL together into one team league, that would be the greatest starcraft 2 team league ever...
I want this too. The other option I would like is if KeSPA/ESF teams all play in proleague and they also play in GSTL; with both leagues not coinciding with each other..
On November 16 2013 17:15 herMan wrote: I guess NaJin is some LoL team?
Not "some" LoL team. It's the team that Reach founded and coaches. It got top 4 at Worlds and was the only team that came even close to beating SK Telecom. A very big name in Korean League.
On November 16 2013 17:39 Vonthin wrote: I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
I hope not. I wish for the same as you, but the last hybrid ProLeague experiment was pretty abysmal. Please not another one.
Im so happy! IM is save and in the Proleague! Also there will be Proleague this year! AND a Shop? SO I can throw my money out of the window for KT Rolster merch? (hopefully) Oh Yeah! KT Rolster Bag, Flag, yersey here i come!
On November 16 2013 17:15 herMan wrote: I guess NaJin is some LoL team?
Not "some" LoL team. It's the team that Reach founded and coaches. It got top 4 at Worlds and was the only team that came even close to beating SK Telecom. A very big name in Korean League.
On November 16 2013 17:39 Vonthin wrote: I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
I hope not. I wish for the same as you, but the last hybrid ProLeague experiment was pretty abysmal. Please not another one.
still just "some" LoL team to me. good for Reach but I could give two shits about each of these kespa LoL squads honestly, it's just not interesting to watch, at all. best in the world or not.
Najin... curious what they'll turn into relating to SC scene.
On November 16 2013 17:15 herMan wrote: I guess NaJin is some LoL team?
Not "some" LoL team. It's the team that Reach founded and coaches. It got top 4 at Worlds and was the only team that came even close to beating SK Telecom. A very big name in Korean League.
On November 16 2013 17:39 Vonthin wrote: I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
I hope not. I wish for the same as you, but the last hybrid ProLeague experiment was pretty abysmal. Please not another one.
still just "some" LoL team to me. good for Reach but I could give two shits about each of these kespa LoL squads honestly, it's just not interesting to watch, at all. best in the world or not.
Najin... curious what they'll turn into relating to SC scene.
Lol sorry I thought you were actually curious who they were, didn't realize it was purely based on salt. Nevermind then.
On November 16 2013 17:15 herMan wrote: I guess NaJin is some LoL team?
Not "some" LoL team. It's the team that Reach founded and coaches. It got top 4 at Worlds and was the only team that came even close to beating SK Telecom. A very big name in Korean League.
On November 16 2013 17:39 Vonthin wrote: I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
I hope not. I wish for the same as you, but the last hybrid ProLeague experiment was pretty abysmal. Please not another one.
It was not founded by Reach, he was simply offered a position from the team owner.
On November 16 2013 17:15 herMan wrote: I guess NaJin is some LoL team?
Not "some" LoL team. It's the team that Reach founded and coaches. It got top 4 at Worlds and was the only team that came even close to beating SK Telecom. A very big name in Korean League.
On November 16 2013 17:39 Vonthin wrote: I have a feeling that MVP will pick up one of the new small LoL teams like NB or Dark, and then they will make some Hybrid Proleague with LoL and SC2 in the future, I know a lot of people would not be happy with that since they dislike LoL but I think it would be good for SC2 to try and get some of LoLs viewers, I also enjoy watching both games and would be cool since it wouldn't have the problems of the BW/SC2 league with players practicing 2 games
I hope not. I wish for the same as you, but the last hybrid ProLeague experiment was pretty abysmal. Please not another one.
It was not founded by Reach, he was simply offered a position from the team owner.
Ah that's quite nice to know. It always felt like he was a founding member since he was so involved with them from the very beginning, similar to Yellow with Xenics.
On November 16 2013 17:37 Shellshock wrote: Where are the woongjin players going to go?
IM.sOs IM.Soulkey
Sorry but Acer|sOs and Acer|Soulkey. We have dat cash
Isn't all your cash tied up, polishing, debugging and running maintenance on Innovation?
Jokes aside, I really hope we get good news regarding Woongjin and their players. Soulkey and sOs are really good and they deserve the best as far as teams go.
On November 16 2013 18:29 jonich0n wrote: Def hyped for Proleague but goddamnit looks like no EG-TL, Soul, or Woongjin players as things stand. That's a huge bummer
In case you miss EGTL, you can watch Prime get stomped even harder
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
I cant agree more with the guy above me, as far as bringing back guys like Dong, Innovation, Soulkey, and sOs. I mean, can you guys imagine a Proleague without those 4? I can't.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
On November 16 2013 17:37 Shellshock wrote: Where are the woongjin players going to go?
IM.sOs IM.Soulkey
Sorry but Acer|sOs and Acer|Soulkey. We have dat cash
Isn't all your cash tied up, polishing, debugging and running maintenance on Innovation?
Jokes aside, I really hope we get good news regarding Woongjin and their players. Soulkey and sOs are really good and they deserve the best as far as teams go.
Dat aint nothing for our deep pockets Inno is easy maintenance just hook him up to sc2 and leave him :D
On November 16 2013 18:47 Gen.Rolly wrote: I cant agree more with the guy above me, as far as bringing back guys like Dong, Innovation, Soulkey, and sOs. I mean, can you guys imagine a Proleague without those 4? I can't.
I already imagined it. Not that hard tbh. But yeah, losing pretty much all of 2012-2013 SPL finalists hurts.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
TBH this man is pretty much speaking of the truth. all or at least a few of those players NEED to be in proleague.
this just damn esf/kespa bullshit, bleh, I'm done before I rant forever
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
TBH this man is pretty much speaking of the truth. all or at least a few of those players NEED to be in proleague.
this just damn esf/kespa bullshit, bleh, I'm done before I rant forever
Well, you cannot really participate in team league when your team is pretty much personal sponsorship for couple of players with paid coach and rented team house (do they still have it btw ?). SouL got screwed hard though, but even they apparently look for foreign teams/personal sponsorships too.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
TBH this man is pretty much speaking of the truth. all or at least a few of those players NEED to be in proleague.
this just damn esf/kespa bullshit, bleh, I'm done before I rant forever
Well, you cannot really participate in team league when your team is pretty much personal sponsorship for couple of players with paid coach and rented team house (do they still have it btw ?). SouL got screwed hard though, but even they apparently look for foreign teams/personal sponsorships too.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
TBH this man is pretty much speaking of the truth. all or at least a few of those players NEED to be in proleague.
this just damn esf/kespa bullshit, bleh, I'm done before I rant forever
Well, you cannot really participate in team league when your team is pretty much personal sponsorship for couple of players with paid coach and rented team house (do they still have it btw ?). SouL got screwed hard though, but even they apparently look for foreign teams/personal sponsorships too.
Still Prime will participate somehow..
They have more than 2 players. Notably more. It's just Gerrard never sending out anyone but Creator, Maru, MKP (RIP) and ByuN :D
not sure what to think of that... I guess I could finally see MVP and IM again, but it's going to be the proleague production hell with casters I don't know at times I can't watch... Not to mention that hardly any of the best players will play there. It's like Maru... and that's it for the very top players, right?
All I was saying is that KeSPA should've helped to establish some form of collaboration between different teams to keep its star players.
Something like Acer + SouL for PL, or have Soulkey/sOs play as mercenaries for Prime. Still hope to see something like this announced till the start of the season.
Man people really laying on Prime. They deserve it after their terrible performance last GSTL but I wouldn't be surprised if the new players and an ACE in the form of Maru makes them of one of the best teams this proleague season.
Creator has been streaming a lot so I'm hopeful he got over the HOTS transition. Byun might just be a lost cause at this point when he was doing so well all killing Azubu last GSTL right off the bat.
On November 16 2013 19:39 crimsonlink wrote: Man people really laying on Prime. They deserve it after their terrible performance last GSTL but I wouldn't be surprised if the new players and an ACE in the form of Maru makes them of one of the best teams this proleague season.
Creator has been streaming a lot so I'm hopeful he got over the HOTS transition. Byun might just be a lost cause at this point when he was doing so well all killing Azubu last GSTL right off the bat.
As for the new Players, dunno really.
ByuN has always been one of those players with a ton of potential. When thins click he looks amazing but alas nerves etc hold him back :/
On November 16 2013 20:01 purgerinho wrote: what will happen when eventually all teams go under kespa? end of gsl, gstl and tastosiss? or gom and kespa can cooperate somehow?
Proleague will have all korean teams? GSTL may die because of it, but gsl is fine because no other individual league around :D
Both sos and soulkey will most likely be picked up by another team i guess. They are top players. I hope they are coming back to bw though and play SOSPA.
On November 16 2013 17:02 cLvrandomness wrote: On December 28th the SC2 Proleague will start with eight teams Prime, IM, MVP Hotsix, SKT, KT, Samsung, CJ Entus and Green Wings.
I'm surprised no one pointed this out yet. Has there been an announcement of Hotsix as MVP's title sponsor, or is this new? If so.. awesome!
On November 16 2013 17:02 cLvrandomness wrote: On December 28th the SC2 Proleague will start with eight teams Prime, IM, MVP Hotsix, SKT, KT, Samsung, CJ Entus and Green Wings.
I'm surprised no one pointed this out yet. Has there been an announcement of Hotsix as MVP's title sponsor, or is this new? If so.. awesome!
It happened a while ago I think I made a thread here on TL
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
When will ESF and KESPA realize that the only way to bring stability to the Korean scene is through a big combined proleague where players are able to play every week. I mean it's great that proleague is starting again, but in order for there to be a "best player" in the world there needs to be other than the over-stacked GSL/WCS, where the few who make it to the higher rounds can be easily knocked out by the next guy, because the tournaments so hard everyone is too good. In a proleague all the players play every week, so we can really see who can show us consistency week after week in proleague rather than who gets knocked out last in the GSL rat race. If you look at Flash's tournament results you will just see a low tier code S player, so we just see another low-tier code S player, but he showed consistency week after week in Proleague, earning himself the number one in wins, so we can still he is the same flash from BW.
Now imagine a proleague with all ESF and Kespa teams and all the small teams paired up Prime MVP IM CJ_Entus KT_Rolster SKT_T1 Samsung_Khan Jin Air fou+WJS Azubu+Soul Startale Team Epic EG-TL
That looks pretty good doesn't it, now imagine if that were reality
On November 16 2013 21:06 isaachukfan wrote: When will ESF and KESPA realize that the only way to bring stability to the Korean scene is through a big combined proleague where players are able to play every week. I mean it's great that proleague is starting again, but in order for there to be a "best player" in the world there needs to be other than the over-stacked GSL/WCS, where the few who make it to the higher rounds can be easily knocked out by the next guy, because the tournaments so hard everyone is too good. In a proleague all the players play every week, so we can really see who can show us consistency week after week in proleague rather than who gets knocked out last in the GSL rat race. If you look at Flash's tournament results you will just see a low tier code S player, so we just see another low-tier code S player, but he showed consistency week after week in Proleague, earning himself the number one in wins, so we can still he is the same flash from BW.
Now imagine a proleague with all ESF and Kespa teams and all the small teams paired up Prime MVP IM CJ_Entus KT_Rolster SKT_T1 Samsung_Khan Jin Air fou+WJS Azubu+Soul Startale Team Epic EG-TL
That looks pretty good doesn't it, now imagine if that were reality
I hope there will be 1 team league GOD PLEASE HELP MAKE IT TRUE!!!!!!!!
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
SPL need 6 players Prime: Maru ByuN Creator GooJila TerrOr PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.
So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
On November 16 2013 17:37 Shellshock wrote: Where are the woongjin players going to go?
Well they are trying to keep them in woongjin apparently and rebuild the team around sOs and Soulkey. So id say they will either join the eSF and rebuild there or just sit back and rebuild without the problem of expectation of performance.
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
SPL need 6 players Prime: Maru ByuN Creator GooJila TerrOr PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.
So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
Yea agreed, i don't see Prime doing to well. It is also kinda sad how last seasons Finalists are not even in Proleague anymore.
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
SPL need 6 players Prime: Maru ByuN Creator GooJila TerrOr PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.
So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
SPL need 6 players Prime: Maru ByuN Creator GooJila TerrOr PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.
So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.
Prime also has: Splendid Chance Eins
I think they can win some games vs rookies, especially when for example Jin Air do not have a roster better then Prime's one (Only 6 players up to now!!).
On November 16 2013 21:01 GTR wrote: Najin will most likely replace MVP as the '8th' team in the LoL Proleague (since MVP's LoL teams jumped ship to Samsung).
So MVP is a SC2 only member and Najin is a LoL only member.
So that would be CJ, SKT, KT, Jin Air, Samsung, Najin, IM, Prime. With each of them having two teams I wonder if we will actually have 16 teams then, or maybe a club masters format.
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
SPL need 6 players Prime: Maru ByuN Creator GooJila TerrOr PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.
So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.
Also the "6 good players" is quite relative when looking at the roster.
On November 16 2013 20:44 Gendo wrote: Pretty good but this means GSTL is no more...
It does?
I think there's not enough teams around to fill both leagues and they can't play in both..shame because GSTL was my favourite
Yes yes I know GSTL is small, but nothing will change for next season. The league is already down to the five of fOu, ST, Azubu, AxA and Azubu. With Prime, IM and MVP joining PL, nothing actually changes.
On November 16 2013 21:37 ACrow wrote: Yay for ProLeague, hail to our Kespa Overlords for trying to save SC2!!!
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote: Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!
SPL need 6 players Prime: Maru ByuN Creator GooJila TerrOr PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.
So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.
Also the "6 good players" is quite relative when looking at the roster.
Obviously - it's Prime we're talking about after all
On November 16 2013 21:52 MicMacAngl wrote: PL will be great, but looking at the TOP 10 ELO players right now on main page:
1. Dear 2. sOs 3. INnoVation 4. Polt 5. TaeJa 6. MMA 7. San 8. NaNiwa 9. Jaedong 10. Life
None of them will be there...
Maybe it is because there is NOTHING in Korea and I see only KeSPA rookie players owning weekly events. There were some online prelims for DH and IEM but nobody counts these results.
And Top 1 player is the player who has managed to overcome insane Code B and Code A to be here. There are about dozens of korean players who can do the same they just have no chance and luck.
KeSPA shop? Does this mean we finally have a consistent, official way to obtain team merchandise, or am I mistaking what they mean by "shop?" I'd really like some KT Rolster gear.
You guys means ST/fou should stop being amateur and join KeSPA. 3 teams have realized where the future lies. Its not an issue of merging or not merging lol
a very good LoL team which is coached by Reach. Najin is also a famous electronic store brand.
You wouldn't happen to know what the kespa shop means would you?
they didnt specify is but my guess is merchandise. I heard from an intern who worked for KEspa and did some LoL stuff that KEspa is thinking about merchandise.
On November 16 2013 21:52 MicMacAngl wrote: PL will be great, but looking at the TOP 10 ELO players right now on main page:
1. Dear 2. sOs 3. INnoVation 4. Polt 5. TaeJa 6. MMA 7. San 8. NaNiwa 9. Jaedong 10. Life
None of them will be there...
Maybe it is because there is NOTHING in Korea and I see only KeSPA rookie players owning weekly events. There were some online prelims for DH and IEM but nobody counts these results.
And Top 1 player is the player who has managed to overcome insane Code B and Code A to be here. There are about dozens of korean players who can do the same they just have no chance and luck.
Noone doubts that the korean players not on the list are also exeptionally strong and that there are too less tournements most of KeSPA players can go to, which makes that "ELO List" more a experience*skill list. But its a point for the fans. Those 10 Players have lots of Fans. And without them PL must fight for viewer counts. I hope many people which watch it regularly. I love watching Proleague for many many year, I hope it will exist many years longer.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
Tell us more about all the tournaments jaedong has won please. He has been playing foreign tournaments and still hasn't won shit. I wouldn't even put him in a list with innovation or sos.
I am so looking forward to the next season of PL. Last season was, simply put, the greatest sc2 event for me yet (though it's almost unfair to call it a single event due to the length, I guess that's the power). I love the team format, and getting a chance to see new maps, new players and so many prepared strategies.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
Tell us more about all the tournaments jaedong has won please. He has been playing foreign tournaments and still hasn't won shit. I wouldn't even put him in a list with innovation or sos.
Well then I'm afraid you're probably a little stupid.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
Tell us more about all the tournaments jaedong has won please. He has been playing foreign tournaments and still hasn't won shit. I wouldn't even put him in a list with innovation or sos.
Well then I'm afraid you're probably a little stupid.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
Tell us more about all the tournaments jaedong has won please. He has been playing foreign tournaments and still hasn't won shit. I wouldn't even put him in a list with innovation or sos.
On November 16 2013 17:08 Pandain wrote: Mvp/Nestea/DRG/Maru/Keen/Dream in proleague?
ohh yeah
And Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong/HerO/Taeja out of PL.. poor trade IMO.
Not to mention all those who retired (Argo, Jangbi, Free, Zero, Bisu, Best..)
Good to hear that Proleague is back, but I just hope they manage to bring back some of the star players (Jaedong back to JinAri, maybe some sort of partnership with SouL / Stars / Acer..)
There are more good players than the ones he listed joining
Innovation/Trap/Dear/Soulkey/sOs/Jaedong are all easily in top10 best players right now.
From IM/Prime/MVP that's only Maru
Tell us more about all the tournaments jaedong has won please. He has been playing foreign tournaments and still hasn't won shit. I wouldn't even put him in a list with innovation or sos.
poor fools. But alteast this time Proleague might have better play. But don't mind me to much I am just sad I won't see my favorite Korean team and players that often anymore. But I can only win if Kespa atleast changed slightly :p
On November 17 2013 01:33 FeyFey wrote: poor fools. But alteast this time Proleague might have better play. But don't mind me to much I am just sad I won't see my favorite Korean team and players that often anymore. But I can only win if Kespa atleast changed slightly :p
Seeing as CJ-players tried to qualify for Dreamhack Winter online, I don't think they're as steadfast on keeping their pros from travelling.
On November 16 2013 17:49 lystier wrote: I thought WJS players would still find a way to join the proleague...
btw, i really hope(i knew it's quite impossible) that they could just merge GSTL and SPL together into one team league, that would be the greatest starcraft 2 team league ever...
I would like to see both be difference conferences. You play your conference the most but there are cross conference games. Playoffs take the best from both.
hmm...i hope we'll still see them in gsl / wcs? not a fan a pro-league i have to admit (or the current form of gstl for that matter). snm just isn't pleasant to listen to; he constantly trips over his tongue.
On November 17 2013 01:41 astray71 wrote: Najin has a Starcraft 2 team?
No, only a LoL team, just like MVP only has a Starcraft team.
Interesting thing is, MVP also is the only team in Kespa that has Dota2 team, other teams, such as Startale and FoU have dota2 team, but not join Kespa yet.
On November 17 2013 01:41 astray71 wrote: Najin has a Starcraft 2 team?
No, only a LoL team, just like MVP only has a Starcraft team.
Interesting thing is, MVP also is the only team in Kespa that has Dota2 team, other teams, such as Startale and FoU have dota2 team, but not join Kespa yet.
Why would that be relevant? It's not like Dota 2 is popular in Korea or anything.
On November 17 2013 02:32 CycoDude wrote: hmm...i hope we'll still see them in gsl / wcs? not a fan a pro-league i have to admit (or the current form of gstl for that matter). snm just isn't pleasant to listen to; he constantly trips over his tongue.
SNM won't be casting Proleague as he went back to school.
On November 16 2013 21:14 TAMinator wrote: GSTL and proleague need to get their shit together and just merge.
That basically just happened, except for Startale. eSF is just 4 teams now, of which 3 don't really have any sponsors. SouL just left PL - if they had an opportunity to participate, they would've stayed.
And Axion-Acer (not eSF) apparently don't want to commit to Proleague, as their players are participating a lot in foreign tournaments and WCS AM/EU
On November 17 2013 02:36 renaissanceMAN wrote: Who the hell is Nanjin!?
Najin is a pretty big Korean LoL team (name sponsor is Najin Industries) which is coached by Reach. They got 4th at S3 Worlds and were the only team to come close to beating SK Telecom in a series at that tournament. They have 2 teams, Najin Sword and Najin Shield. They were pretty much the only non-KeSPA team that was able to compete with the KeSPA organizations after MVP sold both their teams and coaches to Samsung, but that's obviously not the case anymore now that they're KeSPA, too. Short summary for you, hope it helps out a bit.
Something should probably be put in the OP since a lot of people keep wondering about that.
a very good LoL team which is coached by Reach. Najin is also a famous electronic store brand.
You wouldn't happen to know what the kespa shop means would you?
they didnt specify is but my guess is merchandise. I heard from an intern who worked for KEspa and did some LoL stuff that KEspa is thinking about merchandise.
Wait are you talking about me? But yes you can all finally buy your favorite players and team gear! Also, I'll be working at KeSPA starting February to continue to improve Proleague for all the fans outside of Korea.
a very good LoL team which is coached by Reach. Najin is also a famous electronic store brand.
You wouldn't happen to know what the kespa shop means would you?
they didnt specify is but my guess is merchandise. I heard from an intern who worked for KEspa and did some LoL stuff that KEspa is thinking about merchandise.
Wait are you talking about me? But yes you can all finally buy your favorite players and team gear! Also, I'll be working at KeSPA starting February to continue to improve Proleague for all the fans outside of Korea.
yes talking about you ^^ I remebered that you wrote it on reddit. Just didnt want to name you in case you might get in trouble
On November 17 2013 04:23 malady wrote: they started there own teams to get away from kespa
and now back to kespa lol
anyways I am excited for this proleague always interesting with new teams
It has more to do with the fact that KeSPA weren't ready to switch/support the game in the early stages because of the legal battle with Blizzard et la. You didn't really have a choice as a Korean if you wanted to play SC2.
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
On November 17 2013 06:19 Tunga wrote: Does that mean MVP will have to drop its DotA team because they are under Kespa now?
I don't think they're gonna drop it, but it's certainly more beneficial to get a LoL team than a Dota2 team. If they cannot afford all 3 games, it's possible that they will drop dota2 team, considering their dota2 team is not a top team and only get picked up one month ago anyway.
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
On November 17 2013 06:19 Tunga wrote: Does that mean MVP will have to drop its DotA team because they are under Kespa now?
I don't think they're gonna drop it, but it's certainly more beneficial to get a LoL team than a Dota2 team. If they cannot afford all 3 games, it's possible that they will drop dota2 team, considering their dota2 team is not a top team and only get picked up one month ago anyway.
Ah, it was more of a question of KeSPA not wanting to associate with DotA 2 because they have a relationship with RIOT. I have some misconception that KeSPA is some nazi org that likes to control all the teams and what they play. Just want to verify if it was true or not.
On November 17 2013 06:19 Tunga wrote: Does that mean MVP will have to drop its DotA team because they are under Kespa now?
I don't think they're gonna drop it, but it's certainly more beneficial to get a LoL team than a Dota2 team. If they cannot afford all 3 games, it's possible that they will drop dota2 team, considering their dota2 team is not a top team and only get picked up one month ago anyway.
Ah, it was more of a question of KeSPA not wanting to associate with DotA 2 because they have a relationship with RIOT. I have some misconception that KeSPA is some nazi org that likes to control all the teams and what they play. Just want to verify if it was true or not.
Unlike other countries Korea does not have a contract with riot making it so no other moba can be played in the same tournament. Don't quote me on this but I don't think any DoTA teams will be dropped unless DoTA is unable to gain popularity in Korea.
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
they have 5 but yeah.
3 out of 5 are kinda invisible though.
Prime is in Proleague. let's be reality here. they have one player.
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
they have 5 but yeah.
3 out of 5 are kinda invisible though.
Prime is in Proleague. let's be reality here. they have one player.
they have maru, creator, byun, maru, terror, maru, goojjila, maru, they've got plenty of players
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
they have 5 but yeah.
3 out of 5 are kinda invisible though.
Prime is in Proleague. let's be reality here. they have one player.
they have maru, creator, byun, maru, terror, maru, goojjila, maru, they've got plenty of players
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
they have 5 but yeah.
3 out of 5 are kinda invisible though.
Prime is in Proleague. let's be reality here. they have one player.
they have maru, creator, byun, maru, terror, maru, goojjila, maru, they've got plenty of players
On November 16 2013 17:35 Dodgin wrote: no woongjin in proleague? I hope sos and soulkey join other teams so they can play, or at least join foreign ones that will send them everywhere.
they have 2 players, no way they can play in proleague.
they have 5 but yeah.
3 out of 5 are kinda invisible though.
Prime is in Proleague. let's be reality here. they have one player.
they have maru, creator, byun, maru, terror, maru, goojjila, maru, they've got plenty of players
I called on Najin joining kespa = P. Hope this proleague goes well, I wonder if they do something about those teams with thin rosters, I dont think they can survive on format that depends more on preparation than anything...
Great news, but we lost A LOT of good players by SouL and Stx peacing out...sad sad I don't know why teams like Axiom, Soul, Acer and Startale didn't also join
On November 18 2013 00:57 ffadicted wrote: Great news, but we lost A LOT of good players by SouL and Stx peacing out...sad sad I don't know why teams like Axiom, Soul, Acer and Startale didn't also join
Soul probably can't just be like "sry lagged out we rj now" Axiom, maybe doesn't want to commit to proleague since their players are traveling all the time and we saw how that worked out for egtl Acer, do they have five players? Also same as ax No clue about st
On November 18 2013 00:57 ffadicted wrote: Great news, but we lost A LOT of good players by SouL and Stx peacing out...sad sad I don't know why teams like Axiom, Soul, Acer and Startale didn't also join
On November 18 2013 00:57 ffadicted wrote: Great news, but we lost A LOT of good players by SouL and Stx peacing out...sad sad I don't know why teams like Axiom, Soul, Acer and Startale didn't also join
On November 18 2013 00:57 ffadicted wrote: Great news, but we lost A LOT of good players by SouL and Stx peacing out...sad sad I don't know why teams like Axiom, Soul, Acer and Startale didn't also join
There are millions of reasons not to join Kespa.
Maybe you can write the reasons ;3
They take all your freedom and you have to pay them for it.
On November 18 2013 05:36 HeadlessWonder wrote: Well with Prime, MVP, and IM I'm definitely looking forward to this season of ProLeague way more than last season.
I'm really worried about Prime. They'll probably get crushed much worse than even EGTL did. Maru is good, but who else does Prime have? Byun and Creator haven't looked that good in HotS, and the coach never bothered to develop new talent.
On November 18 2013 05:36 HeadlessWonder wrote: Well with Prime, MVP, and IM I'm definitely looking forward to this season of ProLeague way more than last season.
I'm really worried about Prime. They'll probably get crushed much worse than even EGTL did. Maru is good, but who else does Prime have? Byun and Creator haven't looked that good in HotS, and the coach never bothered to develop new talent.
We've yet to see Kal play and there are a few players on Prime that have been performing okay in online qualifiers and the like. Unless a miracle happens they won't win the season, but if they take it more seriously and don't send players overseas for tournaments I could see them performing at least as well (haha) as EGTL.
On November 18 2013 05:51 Zealously wrote: but if they take it more seriously and don't send players overseas for tournaments I could see them performing at least as well (haha) as EGTL.
On November 18 2013 05:36 HeadlessWonder wrote: Well with Prime, MVP, and IM I'm definitely looking forward to this season of ProLeague way more than last season.
I'm really worried about Prime. They'll probably get crushed much worse than even EGTL did. Maru is good, but who else does Prime have? Byun and Creator haven't looked that good in HotS, and the coach never bothered to develop new talent.
It would be rough for Prime indeed, but they could use this season to develop new talent. Traditional sports teams have "rebuilding seasons" all the time. Better late than never, right?
On November 18 2013 05:36 HeadlessWonder wrote: Well with Prime, MVP, and IM I'm definitely looking forward to this season of ProLeague way more than last season.
I'm really worried about Prime. They'll probably get crushed much worse than even EGTL did. Maru is good, but who else does Prime have? Byun and Creator haven't looked that good in HotS, and the coach never bothered to develop new talent.
It would be rough for Prime indeed, but they could use this season to develop new talent. Traditional sports teams have "rebuilding seasons" all the time. Better late than never, right?
I just hope these teams will get some title sponsors, i mean thats the whole point of it all right? But i fear if you don't have a (successful) lol team there is little chance you will get a sponsor :/
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
Well, considering that he still won a hell lot of PL games even when he was still struggling to get past Code A, he has proven he can still dominate PL like BW Bisu and still has the chance to be the #1 player this season that he had last season. He shall soon be hailed as the new King of Proleague #2014YearOfFlash
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
Maru is the best Terran so he's better. Flash is better than all the others though!
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
Maru is the best Terran so he's better. Flash is better than all the others though!
Yeah cause you can say that right now, we didnt see them for weeks/months, you can't really say who is the best of them, except maru ofc. Maybe TY is the best terran right now? :D
On November 18 2013 06:40 canikizu wrote: I hope Najin thinks about taking in SouL or Woonjin team, that would be nice.
Or both? Soulkey, sOs, Dear, Trap, and Hyvaa? That would be a freaking scary lineup.
In the current state of affairs? That would be one heck of a ridiculous team. If someone were to score an All-Kill on them they'd be like. "Hey, hey! Where the heck is my frigging TROPHY!"
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
Maru is the best Terran so he's better. Flash is better than all the others though!
Yeah cause you can say that right now, we didnt see them for weeks/months, you can't really say who is the best of them, except maru ofc. Maybe TY is the best terran right now? :D
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
Maru is the best Terran so he's better. Flash is better than all the others though!
Yeah cause you can say that right now, we didnt see them for weeks/months, you can't really say who is the best of them, except maru ofc. Maybe TY is the best terran right now? :D
Flash would've absorbed TY's skills by now
Plot twist: TY is the best terran becuz he absorbed Flash's skill.
A shop ? A SHOP ? KT ROLSTER SHIRTS ????? ok i'm pumped ! this news is so awesome because it means that proleague that was kind of suffering loss of team and players made a rebound ! Proleague fighting !!!!
Also. What is Najin and Hotsix ? I think i heard something for Hotfix but i don't know Najin. Lol team ?
EDIT : oh ok Najin is a LoL team (i didn't read all the posts ).
EDIT 2 : Ohhh Hotfix MVP that's a sponsor. i didn't saw the absence of "," (coma ?)
I wonder where Soulkarp and sOs will end up. With their success, the sky is the limit, really, as long as they don´t get too greedy. Prime surely could use some help, if only they had the money for it.
I´m afraid though, my excitement has to wait for the casters to be announced.
Great to see a proleague coming up again. Even after the merging lots of talent left out of it though but i guess you'll always have this. Still I would have liked to see a EGTL. Soul, WJS and Startale are unfortunately missing too leaving out quite some top players. I wouldn't be surprised if the PL players just become the top though, such regular high level matches is the best training scheme there is, though a funky mappool plus knowing your opponents so well could lead to some weird PL only metagaming.
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
maybe flash form as we have seen .. but people seem to disregard the fact the he has the most kills in proleague .. that is no joke TBH .. if you are just a korean terran you cant just score that many kills without real talent
On November 18 2013 21:37 Markwerf wrote: Great to see a proleague coming up again. Even after the merging lots of talent left out of it though but i guess you'll always have this. Still I would have liked to see a EGTL. Soul, WJS and Startale are unfortunately missing too leaving out quite some top players. I wouldn't be surprised if the PL players just become the top though, such regular high level matches is the best training scheme there is, though a funky mappool plus knowing your opponents so well could lead to some weird PL only metagaming.
I hope they will do something special next proleague and not just rehash the same things they did in the last season. Seeing the low amount of spectators and the lackluster venue really hurt.
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
maybe flash form as we have seen .. but people seem to disregard the fact the he has the most kills in proleague .. that is no joke TBH .. if you are just a korean terran you cant just score that many kills without real talent
Yes, it is an accomplishment, but the fact that he couldn´t make a splash in boX series so far also speaks volumes. That said, I am absolutely sure Flash has it in him to become an absolute top terran as he has already shown many excellent games. Lets see what the mech buff does for him.
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
maybe flash form as we have seen .. but people seem to disregard the fact the he has the most kills in proleague .. that is no joke TBH .. if you are just a korean terran you cant just score that many kills without real talent
Yes, it is an accomplishment, but the fact that he couldn´t make a splash in boX series so far also speaks volumes. That said, I am absolutely sure Flash has it in him to become an absolute top terran as he has already shown many excellent games. Lets see what the mech buff does for him.
He would also have won a stacked MLG if he wasn't facing Life in the finals
On November 18 2013 11:01 hansonslee wrote: Guess without Innovation and other strong Terran players, Flash will at least be the # 1 Terran and possibly the # 1 player in Proleague!
Um.... Maru, Bunny, Keen, Byun, Yoda, TY, maybe Fantasy all roughly as good or better than Flash...
maybe flash form as we have seen .. but people seem to disregard the fact the he has the most kills in proleague .. that is no joke TBH .. if you are just a korean terran you cant just score that many kills without real talent
Yes, it is an accomplishment, but the fact that he couldn´t make a splash in boX series so far also speaks volumes. That said, I am absolutely sure Flash has it in him to become an absolute top terran as he has already shown many excellent games. Lets see what the mech buff does for him.
He doesn't have to prove himself in BoX series yet if he's to become the Sea of SC2 first ^^. Wait until he wins like 2 PL seasons.
On November 18 2013 14:05 havok55 wrote: "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - SC2
So more uniformity in structure should probably help SC2 get popular in Korea, right? I mean, like BW was. I'm sure it's 51/49 Blizzard, but still. It WILL help -- even if its not as big as BW.
AGAIN, to reiterate, having uniformity over there will help some, not a lot because it's up to Blizzard to make good changes, etc.
On November 18 2013 14:05 havok55 wrote: "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - SC2
So more uniformity in structure should probably help SC2 get popular in Korea, right? I mean, like BW was. I'm sure it's 51/49 Blizzard, but still. It WILL help -- even if its not as big as BW.
AGAIN, to reiterate, having uniformity over there will help some, not a lot because it's up to Blizzard to make good changes, etc.
Blizzard needs to make Sc2 free to play if they want to make it even come close to brood war or even league of legends levels.
So Proleague finally found a way how to continue being irrelevant in SC2! In the last season, they played mainly with the old BW pool, leaving half of the (then) top players out. Now, as their players started to really shine, it seems that they got rid of enough of them to still keep half of the (current) top players out ...
On November 19 2013 04:13 opisska wrote: So Proleague finally found a way how to continue being irrelevant in SC2! In the last season, they played mainly with the old BW pool, leaving half of the (then) top players out. Now, as their players started to really shine, it seems that they got rid of enough of them to still keep half of the (current) top players out ...
On November 18 2013 14:05 havok55 wrote: "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - SC2
So more uniformity in structure should probably help SC2 get popular in Korea, right? I mean, like BW was. I'm sure it's 51/49 Blizzard, but still. It WILL help -- even if its not as big as BW.
AGAIN, to reiterate, having uniformity over there will help some, not a lot because it's up to Blizzard to make good changes, etc.
Blizzard needs to make Sc2 free to play if they want to make it even come close to brood war or even league of legends levels.
To be fair, SC2 is going f2p soon in patch 2.1, with the exception of campaign and 1v1 matchmaking. All custom game maps and arcade maps will be free to Starter Edition users, and team game and FFA matchmaking will be easily available with spawning. And all races will be unlocked.
However, I've been hearing that SC2 has been f2p in Korean PC Bangs for a while now.
On November 18 2013 14:05 havok55 wrote: "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - SC2
So more uniformity in structure should probably help SC2 get popular in Korea, right? I mean, like BW was. I'm sure it's 51/49 Blizzard, but still. It WILL help -- even if its not as big as BW.
AGAIN, to reiterate, having uniformity over there will help some, not a lot because it's up to Blizzard to make good changes, etc.
Blizzard needs to make Sc2 free to play if they want to make it even come close to brood war or even league of legends levels.
Blizzard needs to make a game that people actually want to play.
On November 19 2013 04:13 opisska wrote: So Proleague finally found a way how to continue being irrelevant in SC2! In the last season, they played mainly with the old BW pool, leaving half of the (then) top players out. Now, as their players started to really shine, it seems that they got rid of enough of them to still keep half of the (current) top players out ...
If a tournament is irrelevant because it doesn't have every top player in it then I don't think there's ever been a relevant tournament.
Excellent and fully expected news. Finally we can have a more cohesive and less confusing scene in Korea. I guess it could be considered a little sad that GSTL had to die to make this happen, but it's certainly for the best in the long run.
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
because kespa is gonna create LoL Proleague soon.
I thought KeSPA was a non-Profit organisation.
You think KeSPA cam do stuff like open a shop for the teams, support their marketing, run their own broadcasting, etcetc without getting money?? If KeSPA wants to spend $50,000, they first need $50,000.
Not only that, but KeSPA is designed to support eSports, which idk if some people forgot, but eSports is the business of competitive gaming. Why would you go into business AND go for least popular and least profitable games?
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
KeSPA isn't only Starcraft at all, they run a lot of games.
On December 26 2013 02:41 Miragee wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:08 zerious wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:07 docvoc wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:20 Chexx wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
because kespa is gonna create LoL Proleague soon.
I thought KeSPA was a non-Profit organisation.
I'm not sure how this is related.
I was just saying that they seem to go for profit games nowadays in a weird way.
I think they go where people want to see games played
They totally did that with BW/SC2, yep.
But to get it right: I do think it is good if they are expanding to LoL. Not only is it one of the better candidates in korea in terms of interest, MOBAS probably fit well into the proleague format and its always good if you get major tournaments outside of Riots dictatorship.
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
KeSPA isn't only Starcraft at all, they run a lot of games.
On December 26 2013 02:41 Miragee wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:08 zerious wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:07 docvoc wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:20 Chexx wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
because kespa is gonna create LoL Proleague soon.
I thought KeSPA was a non-Profit organisation.
I'm not sure how this is related.
I was just saying that they seem to go for profit games nowadays in a weird way.
Yeah I'm sure BW was neither popular nor profitable! KeSPA has gotten so weird nowadays.
It wasn't really popular when they started of. They took a very high risk there in the beginning. That is why many shit on blizzard when they came after over ten years of doing nothing to put licence fees on bw, while KeSPA made the starcraft franchise to what it is now - by themselves. They basically built up a name for blizzard resulting in millions of copies bought and blizzard came in the end was telling them they were doing blizzard harm.
Don't get me wrong, I think KeSPA has many flaws, but the point that they started from nowhere and built up something really big cannot be argued.
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
KeSPA isn't only Starcraft at all, they run a lot of games.
On December 26 2013 02:41 Miragee wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:08 zerious wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:07 docvoc wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:20 Chexx wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
because kespa is gonna create LoL Proleague soon.
I thought KeSPA was a non-Profit organisation.
I'm not sure how this is related.
I was just saying that they seem to go for profit games nowadays in a weird way.
Yeah I'm sure BW was neither popular nor profitable! KeSPA has gotten so weird nowadays.
It wasn't really popular when they started of. They took a very high risk there in the beginning. That is why many shit on blizzard when they came after over ten years of doing nothing to put licence fees on bw, while KeSPA made the starcraft franchise to what it is now - by themselves. They basically built up a name for blizzard resulting in millions of copies bought and blizzard came in the end was telling them they were doing blizzard harm.
Don't get me wrong, I think KeSPA has many flaws, but the point that they started from nowhere and built up something really big cannot be argued.
It's not like they hopped on to LoL super late, either. OGN Champions has been sponsored by KeSPA for quite some time now and the RO8 of that tournament has been 7/8 KeSPA teams for this and last season. CJ, for example, has had a team for over 1 1/2 years now. I'm not very big on Special Forces, did they build that from the ground aswell?
Organizations with actual employees need money, because employees need money, because employees will probably have to eat at some point. Even if Kespa were non-profit, they would still need a source of revenue for basic upkeep. Going into LoL, which is dominating the Korean market like game has ever come close to before, isn't even a choice. They need that money.
Besides, Kespa is the Korean Esports Association, not the Korean Starcraft Association, because then it would Kstaa, which looks and sounds really stupid. It could eventually become KLoLa, which if anything sounds even more stupid.
Re-translation, errors and mis-interprets guaranteed but you should get the point.
Seven months after Jun Byung Hun took the chair as Chief Executive of Korea e-Sports Association (KeSPA), he announced the "NEXT eSports" project, with the vision of unifying the eSports scene in mind.
This project will included four major steps, the first of which will be drastic changes to the structure of the association and its operating commitee.
First, changes to the participating companies will be discussed. Currently all teams are belong to their corresponding sponsor companies, which are also members of the association or members of the Council, cost of running the association are provided by those members, thus all decisions of the association are determined by them.
But since the National Assembly of South Korea voted and passed the eSports Promotion Bill, KeSPA is no longer a professional association, it is now serving the entire citizenship.
For pushing the Korean eSports scene, Chief Jun Byung Hun announced the "NEXT eSports" project, determined to make changes to the association itself.
1. KeSPA will open its doors to all organizations currently active in the South Korean eSports industry;
2. The teams will no longer need to pay the membership fee, a membership agreement is all it's needed to join KeSPA, receiving rights to participate the operating of corresponding games and association activities like player protection protocols, thus receiving long-time support from KeSPA;
3. TV stations can also join KeSPA via media agreements, grant rights to broadcast KeSPA tournaments and government-run tournaments. KeSPA will provide active support for its media partners;
4. If game developers pay their share of membership fee, the money will be used to promote eSports, organzing amateur tournaments like the Presidential Cup, and supporting eSports teams and players. The Association will actively support the domestic amateur scene, later IeSF will join the Sports Accord, to further provide support for the globalization of eSports.
5. Members and membership companies will be able to discuss events relating to leagues separately, they can also submit proposals to the Operating Commitee for discussion, the Commitee will be able to make decisions on minor subjects. Major subjects will be submitted to the Association under agreement of the general consensus. At the annual Korean eSports Award Ceremony, there will be a meeting for all members and membership companies.
6. The companies acting as Vice Chief Executive will be able to discuss the major subjects decided by the Operating Commitee with the Chief.
7. Financial operations will go under supervision by the Association Council, which will also be able to discuss and finalize major subjects submitted by the Chief.
8. KeSPA will operate under the Chief as the governing body of Korean eSports, with financial support from the membership fee and Council membership fee, to develop the Korean eSports scene. KeSPA will be working on their best to protect the players and help them retire into society if necessary, and provided support for the continuous running of teams. The Association will further maintain peace relationships among all members, and help communicate between members, to fans and media.
There was also a interview by fomos stating KeSPA is negotiating with GomTV and SPOTV (Proleague broadcaster) for accepting them as official broadcasting partners, and KeSPA is looking good being accepted as an official sports organzation.
TL;DR: KeSPA no longer requires membership fee to join, all Korean teams and organization will be able to join; broadcasting companies will be free to broadcast KeSPA events as long as they join KeSPA.
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
KeSPA isn't only Starcraft at all, they run a lot of games.
On December 26 2013 02:41 Miragee wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:08 zerious wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:07 docvoc wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:20 Chexx wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
because kespa is gonna create LoL Proleague soon.
I thought KeSPA was a non-Profit organisation.
I'm not sure how this is related.
I was just saying that they seem to go for profit games nowadays in a weird way.
I think they go where people want to see games played
Went to liquipedia, I knew they did more than just sc2, but was surprised to find out they oversee about 20 different esports. Also to my knowledge it's governmentally run since a politician is the head right now.
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
KeSPA isn't only Starcraft at all, they run a lot of games.
On December 26 2013 02:41 Miragee wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:08 zerious wrote:
On December 26 2013 02:07 docvoc wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:20 Chexx wrote:
On December 26 2013 01:19 docvoc wrote: Najin? Who's gonna be on the Najin team?
They only have two LoL teams
On December 25 2013 23:40 PixelNite wrote: Has there been any other announcements regarding the Kespa Shop ?
no news
So why are they joining KeSPA, I thought KeSPA was only starcraft.
because kespa is gonna create LoL Proleague soon.
I thought KeSPA was a non-Profit organisation.
I'm not sure how this is related.
I was just saying that they seem to go for profit games nowadays in a weird way.
Yeah I'm sure BW was neither popular nor profitable! KeSPA has gotten so weird nowadays.
It wasn't really popular when they started of. They took a very high risk there in the beginning. That is why many shit on blizzard when they came after over ten years of doing nothing to put licence fees on bw, while KeSPA made the starcraft franchise to what it is now - by themselves. They basically built up a name for blizzard resulting in millions of copies bought and blizzard came in the end was telling them they were doing blizzard harm.
Don't get me wrong, I think KeSPA has many flaws, but the point that they started from nowhere and built up something really big cannot be argued.
At that time, coming out of a huge financial crisis, Korean government is eager to create new industry. The government supported esports relentlessly, otherwise KeSPA would never happen, and BW won't be a sports at that internet stage. KeSPA doesn't have huge risk back then, Korean government does.
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