• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:29
CEST 03:29
KST 10:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202534Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 581 users

IM, MVP, Prime, Najin joins kespa - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
302 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 16 Next All
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5220 Posts
November 16 2013 11:56 GMT
#121
Woongjin noooooooo something has to be done.
The heart's eternal vow
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51450 Posts
November 16 2013 12:01 GMT
#122
Najin will most likely replace MVP as the '8th' team in the LoL Proleague (since MVP's LoL teams jumped ship to Samsung).

So MVP is a SC2 only member and Najin is a LoL only member.
Commentator
isaachukfan
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada785 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 12:06:36
November 16 2013 12:06 GMT
#123
When will ESF and KESPA realize that the only way to bring stability to the Korean scene is through a big combined proleague where players are able to play every week. I mean it's great that proleague is starting again, but in order for there to be a "best player" in the world there needs to be other than the over-stacked GSL/WCS, where the few who make it to the higher rounds can be easily knocked out by the next guy, because the tournaments so hard everyone is too good. In a proleague all the players play every week, so we can really see who can show us consistency week after week in proleague rather than who gets knocked out last in the GSL rat race.
If you look at Flash's tournament results you will just see a low tier code S player, so we just see another low-tier code S player, but he showed consistency week after week in Proleague, earning himself the number one in wins, so we can still he is the same flash from BW.

Now imagine a proleague with all ESF and Kespa teams and all the small teams paired up
Prime
MVP
IM
CJ_Entus
KT_Rolster
SKT_T1
Samsung_Khan
Jin Air
fou+WJS
Azubu+Soul
Startale
Team Epic
EG-TL

That looks pretty good doesn't it, now imagine if that were reality

I'm a mennonite, yes I'm allowed to use a computer
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 12:08:31
November 16 2013 12:06 GMT
#124
On November 16 2013 21:06 isaachukfan wrote:
When will ESF and KESPA realize that the only way to bring stability to the Korean scene is through a big combined proleague where players are able to play every week. I mean it's great that proleague is starting again, but in order for there to be a "best player" in the world there needs to be other than the over-stacked GSL/WCS, where the few who make it to the higher rounds can be easily knocked out by the next guy, because the tournaments so hard everyone is too good. In a proleague all the players play every week, so we can really see who can show us consistency week after week in proleague rather than who gets knocked out last in the GSL rat race.
If you look at Flash's tournament results you will just see a low tier code S player, so we just see another low-tier code S player, but he showed consistency week after week in Proleague, earning himself the number one in wins, so we can still he is the same flash from BW.

Now imagine a proleague with all ESF and Kespa teams and all the small teams paired up
Prime
MVP
IM
CJ_Entus
KT_Rolster
SKT_T1
Samsung_Khan
Jin Air
fou+WJS
Azubu+Soul
Startale
Team Epic
EG-TL

That looks pretty good doesn't it, now imagine if that were reality



I hope there will be 1 team league GOD PLEASE HELP MAKE IT TRUE!!!!!!!!

On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!


SPL need 6 players Prime:
Maru
ByuN
Creator
GooJila
TerrOr
PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.

So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.
FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
November 16 2013 12:08 GMT
#125
On November 16 2013 17:37 Shellshock wrote:
Where are the woongjin players going to go?


Well they are trying to keep them in woongjin apparently and rebuild the team around sOs and Soulkey. So id say they will either join the eSF and rebuild there or just sit back and rebuild without the problem of expectation of performance.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 16 2013 12:09 GMT
#126
On November 16 2013 21:06 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!

SPL need 6 players Prime:
Maru
ByuN
Creator
GooJila
TerrOr
PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.

So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.


However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.
AdministratorBreak the chains
WeRRa
Profile Joined December 2010
378 Posts
November 16 2013 12:10 GMT
#127
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!

Yea agreed, i don't see Prime doing to well. It is also kinda sad how last seasons Finalists are not even in Proleague anymore.
InnoVation Fighting!!!
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
November 16 2013 12:10 GMT
#128
On November 16 2013 21:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:06 DiMano wrote:
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!

SPL need 6 players Prime:
Maru
ByuN
Creator
GooJila
TerrOr
PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.

So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.


However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.


sOsPrime, SoulkeyPrime
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
November 16 2013 12:11 GMT
#129
A good influx of teams. This is good.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 12:14:26
November 16 2013 12:12 GMT
#130
On November 16 2013 21:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:06 DiMano wrote:
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!

SPL need 6 players Prime:
Maru
ByuN
Creator
GooJila
TerrOr
PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.

So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.


However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.


Prime also has:
Splendid
Chance
Eins

I think they can win some games vs rookies, especially when for example Jin Air do not have a roster better then Prime's one (Only 6 players up to now!!).
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 16 2013 12:13 GMT
#131
On November 16 2013 21:01 GTR wrote:
Najin will most likely replace MVP as the '8th' team in the LoL Proleague (since MVP's LoL teams jumped ship to Samsung).

So MVP is a SC2 only member and Najin is a LoL only member.


So that would be CJ, SKT, KT, Jin Air, Samsung, Najin, IM, Prime. With each of them having two teams I wonder if we will actually have 16 teams then, or maybe a club masters format.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
November 16 2013 12:14 GMT
#132
GSTL and proleague need to get their shit together and just merge.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
November 16 2013 12:14 GMT
#133
No SoulKey or sOs in proleague (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Cool to see Prime again. I hope players like Creator and Byun will get back to their old forms!
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
November 16 2013 12:29 GMT
#134
buja! i knew it... question ist, whats with the woongjin stars...
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
November 16 2013 12:35 GMT
#135
On November 16 2013 20:46 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 20:44 Gendo wrote:
Pretty good but this means GSTL is no more...

It does?


I think there's not enough teams around to fill both leagues and they can't play in both..shame because GSTL was my favourite
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 16 2013 12:37 GMT
#136
Yay for ProLeague, hail to our Kespa Overlords for trying to save SC2!!!

On November 16 2013 21:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:06 DiMano wrote:
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!

SPL need 6 players Prime:
Maru
ByuN
Creator
GooJila
TerrOr
PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.

So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.


However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.

Also the "6 good players" is quite relative when looking at the roster.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
November 16 2013 12:47 GMT
#137
RIP EG-TL.
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 16 2013 12:47 GMT
#138
On November 16 2013 21:35 Gendo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 20:46 Zealously wrote:
On November 16 2013 20:44 Gendo wrote:
Pretty good but this means GSTL is no more...

It does?


I think there's not enough teams around to fill both leagues and they can't play in both..shame because GSTL was my favourite


Yes yes I know GSTL is small, but nothing will change for next season. The league is already down to the five of fOu, ST, Azubu, AxA and Azubu. With Prime, IM and MVP joining PL, nothing actually changes.

On November 16 2013 21:37 ACrow wrote:
Yay for ProLeague, hail to our Kespa Overlords for trying to save SC2!!!

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 21:09 Zealously wrote:
On November 16 2013 21:06 DiMano wrote:
On November 16 2013 20:56 fx9 wrote:
Maru will have a hard time carrying team Prime. Yeah, like many, I hope for Prime/Woongjin Stars partnership. Maru/Soulkey/sOs on the same team will be sick!

SPL need 6 players Prime:
Maru
ByuN
Creator
GooJila
TerrOr
PenguiN If DH prelims are correct he left KT and joined Prime.

So Prime has 6 good players to perform well in SPL.


However, playing with a 6-man roster isn't great for a team. They'll need one or two more players with at least a minimal chance to beat mediocre to good PL players. I don't doubt that they have a few rookies accessible, but can those win games? If not, all their players are essentially locked in Korea for the PL season.

Also the "6 good players" is quite relative when looking at the roster.


Obviously - it's Prime we're talking about after all
AdministratorBreak the chains
MicMacAngl
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany11 Posts
November 16 2013 12:52 GMT
#139
PL will be great, but looking at the TOP 10 ELO players right now on main page:

1. Dear
2. sOs
3. INnoVation
4. Polt
5. TaeJa
6. MMA
7. San
8. NaNiwa
9. Jaedong
10. Life

None of them will be there...
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 12:59:01
November 16 2013 12:56 GMT
#140
On November 16 2013 21:52 MicMacAngl wrote:
PL will be great, but looking at the TOP 10 ELO players right now on main page:

1. Dear
2. sOs
3. INnoVation
4. Polt
5. TaeJa
6. MMA
7. San
8. NaNiwa
9. Jaedong
10. Life

None of them will be there...

Maybe it is because there is NOTHING in Korea and I see only KeSPA rookie players owning weekly events. There were some online prelims for DH and IEM but nobody counts these results.

And Top 1 player is the player who has managed to overcome insane Code B and Code A to be here.
There are about dozens of korean players who can do the same they just have no chance and luck.
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 218
Nina 156
RuFF_SC2 121
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5574
Barracks 2696
ggaemo 137
Sexy 75
NaDa 59
firebathero 48
Aegong 39
Icarus 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever917
League of Legends
febbydoto7
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K216
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox962
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor212
Other Games
tarik_tv25869
summit1g12843
shahzam513
JimRising 461
C9.Mang0210
ViBE148
ROOTCatZ23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick948
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH167
• Hupsaiya 53
• davetesta30
• gosughost_ 10
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 46
• Azhi_Dahaki17
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22514
Other Games
• Shiphtur44
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 31m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
12h 31m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
14h 31m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 9h
OSC
1d 22h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.