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WCS Grand Finals Format and Seedings - Page 4

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Cream)Muffin
Profile Joined October 2013
Sweden9 Posts
October 22 2013 00:49 GMT
#61
I do also think Naniwas being in the tournament increases viewership. He played really well in IEM NY, and almost won against that Korean Z guy in the final, and did a remarkable comeback against the other Korean Z in the semis. He definitely deserves to be in the finals.
So i get someone to root for besides Jaedong.

I have to say that the races in the finals are almost perfectly balanced. Just two or three Z away from perfect balance.
Even though it is 50% Terran.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
October 22 2013 00:55 GMT
#62
I don't know if my case will tell something, but since I switched to Dota 2 I obviously watch a lot less of sc2. Still watching big events, but not as much as before when I used to watch almost everything. And Naniwa making it to the event will probably help me watching.
Anyway I'ill probably give it an eye, but Naniwa's presence would help to increase my hype.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 01:04:26
October 22 2013 01:00 GMT
#63
On October 22 2013 08:33 TaishiCi wrote:
I hope soO and Dear keep Naniwa out.
I don't think there is a doubt that both of them are in better form than Naniwa, not that they were ever in worse form than Naniwa.
Dear winning KR and not making it to the Grand Finals would be outrageous.

I don't like NaNiwa very much either, he's a complete fucking hypocrite and complains when anyone but him makes excuses for losing even though he makes excuses all the time + Show Spoiler +
and he's bm as fuck
, but I think it would be more hilarious if only one of Oz/soO/Dear make top 4 and him and Revival tie for 16th place and Revival beats him at BlizzCon making him one Bo5 short of qualifying for the main tournament therefore going to BlizzCon and getting 0 prize money for it... Unless Revival is put into an ultimate group of death in challenger league and doesn't make top 2 in it...

But that's just what I want to happen. :D

Also this was left out of the OP:
Ties within the Top 16 seeded players
Ties within the top 16 WCS players will be decided by cumulative points earned only in World Championship Series America, Europe, Korea, and Season Finals events. If a tie remains, it will be settled through points earned only in WCS Tier 1 events. If the players in question are still tied, seeding will be decided by coin-toss.

Ties for qualification to the Global Finals
If there is a tie across the Global Finals cutoff, the players in question will travel to BlizzCon to play an offline, best-of-five match to decide who will be seeded into the WCS Global Finals bracket.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 22 2013 01:09 GMT
#64
On October 22 2013 08:08 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 07:48 Boucot wrote:
On October 22 2013 05:55 XaCez wrote:
Feels utterly bizarre to use a different format for the Grand Finals in comparison to both the regional and seasonal finals.

Feels pretty normal to me. BlizzCon is not a season finals. It's way different and bigger. However I would have preferred a double elimination bracket.


I think this is fine from a hype and good games point of view, MLG winter used the same system with bo5 single elimination and it was one of the best tournaments ever.

Yeah, in fact you're right, it's probably better from a spectator view in terms of tension. The only point who annoys me is the fact that half of the players will travel a lot to play only one match.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
October 22 2013 01:12 GMT
#65
hmmm not sure if I would like group stage format better....
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
October 22 2013 01:24 GMT
#66
On October 22 2013 10:00 Elite_ wrote:
Also this was left out of the OP:

and that's why there is a link to the article so I don't copy everything
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miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 22 2013 01:26 GMT
#67
On October 22 2013 10:09 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 08:08 Dodgin wrote:
On October 22 2013 07:48 Boucot wrote:
On October 22 2013 05:55 XaCez wrote:
Feels utterly bizarre to use a different format for the Grand Finals in comparison to both the regional and seasonal finals.

Feels pretty normal to me. BlizzCon is not a season finals. It's way different and bigger. However I would have preferred a double elimination bracket.


I think this is fine from a hype and good games point of view, MLG winter used the same system with bo5 single elimination and it was one of the best tournaments ever.

Yeah, in fact you're right, it's probably better from a spectator view in terms of tension. The only point who annoys me is the fact that half of the players will travel a lot to play only one match.


I'm starting to come around to single-elim, they've had the entire season to improve their standings, so if you come 16th and get knocked out instantly well that's just too bad. I mean it's not like Wimbledon is double-elim right? That's only 1 match to lose and you're out.
@miicah88
TheMagicianSC2
Profile Joined May 2013
France74 Posts
October 22 2013 01:43 GMT
#68
Bo5 give sense to the single elim.
well done from blizz
"Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek happiness." Day[9]
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
October 22 2013 01:46 GMT
#69
I like it! Single elim bo5 should make it really exciting to watch
KT_Perry
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)71 Posts
October 22 2013 03:05 GMT
#70
So if the global finals weren't to be played, blizzcon would be:

Inno/revival-
MMA/SoS-

Bomber/Alive-
Soulkey/MVP-

__________________

Taeja/Maru-
Duckdeok/Polt-

Hero/MC-
Jaedong/Naniwa-


This wasn't just pointless, any form of hype is needed , you do the math on what it might be,

Just see who's in globals and find out what combos will be messed with.

On another note, Revival, Duckdeok and alive are the possible evil villians of this tourney. sry for no spoiler, I'm new.


;)
KT_Perry
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)71 Posts
October 22 2013 03:16 GMT
#71
Top 5 personal favorite outcomes(based on current ranking):

1. (a)Jaedong/MVP(b)Jaedong/MMA(c)Jaedong/Innovation(srybomber )
2.Mvp/MC(new form)
3.MVp/Maru(both in new forms(drool))
4.Naniwa/MVp

4 was already stretching it, and 2 or 3 switched I can't decide!!!!!! So hyped!! IF only life was here.

p.s, it's funny to note pretty much every single important terran since beta are here, mkp yes, but in terms of results nay.

MVp, bomber, mma, polt, taeja, innovation and new osl winner maru. The bosstoss....the tyrant...........and mo fuckin Naniwa???? Please, it's just to good, and I like the bo5's maybe loser bracket of bo3's but that's just icing. So happy, so hyped.

Jaedong and MVp fighting!
;)
KT_Perry
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)71 Posts
October 22 2013 03:18 GMT
#72
But if I could flick a wand, ideal finals....mvp vs mma hands down and Im a die hard zerg fan.
;)
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
October 22 2013 03:19 GMT
#73
I'm pumped to be working this event as an sc2 admin. Gonna be some sick games combined with a sick crowd. Can't wait!
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
October 22 2013 03:27 GMT
#74
basically blizzard fucks riot and value in this round
Incredible Miracle
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 22 2013 04:07 GMT
#75
On October 22 2013 12:18 KT_Perry wrote:
But if I could flick a wand, ideal finals....mvp vs mma hands down and Im a die hard zerg fan.


Would be pretty amazing. Mvp needs revenge from last time they met at Blizzcon
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
October 22 2013 04:10 GMT
#76
I like how you can split the current Top 16 into 4 groups of 4 players each:

2011 GSL All-Stars: Mvp, MC, MMA, Bomber

Foreigner Favorites: Polt, HerO, TaeJa, NaNiwa

The KeSPA Invasion: INnoVation, Soulkey, Jaedong, sOs

We've Been Around Forever and Now We REALLY Mean It: aLive, duckdeok, Maru, Revival
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 22 2013 04:22 GMT
#77
On October 22 2013 13:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
I like how you can split the current Top 16 into 4 groups of 4 players each:

2011 GSL All-Stars: Mvp, MC, MMA, Bomber

Foreigner Favorites: Polt, HerO, TaeJa, NaNiwa

The KeSPA Invasion: INnoVation, Soulkey, Jaedong, sOs

We've Been Around Forever and Now We REALLY Mean It: aLive, duckdeok, Maru, Revival

Polts also a 2011 gsl allstar though
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
October 22 2013 04:26 GMT
#78
On October 22 2013 13:22 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 13:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
I like how you can split the current Top 16 into 4 groups of 4 players each:

2011 GSL All-Stars: Mvp, MC, MMA, Bomber

Foreigner Favorites: Polt, HerO, TaeJa, NaNiwa

The KeSPA Invasion: INnoVation, Soulkey, Jaedong, sOs

We've Been Around Forever and Now We REALLY Mean It: aLive, duckdeok, Maru, Revival

Polts also a 2011 gsl allstar though


I know but then I wouldn't have that awesome 4-4-4-4 symmetry

Honestly I admit it's kind of a stretch putting Bomber in the first category at all; his biggest GSL accomplishment in 2011 was winning Code A. He probably belongs more in the last group than anything.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 22 2013 05:20 GMT
#79
On October 22 2013 13:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 13:22 GumBa wrote:
On October 22 2013 13:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
I like how you can split the current Top 16 into 4 groups of 4 players each:

2011 GSL All-Stars: Mvp, MC, MMA, Bomber

Foreigner Favorites: Polt, HerO, TaeJa, NaNiwa

The KeSPA Invasion: INnoVation, Soulkey, Jaedong, sOs

We've Been Around Forever and Now We REALLY Mean It: aLive, duckdeok, Maru, Revival

Polts also a 2011 gsl allstar though


I know but then I wouldn't have that awesome 4-4-4-4 symmetry

Honestly I admit it's kind of a stretch putting Bomber in the first category at all; his biggest GSL accomplishment in 2011 was winning Code A. He probably belongs more in the last group than anything.

Yeah sry hahah
And yeah Bomber greatest achievments in 2011 are code A and being the most hyped player
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
October 22 2013 05:50 GMT
#80
On October 22 2013 05:58 smogg wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ties within the top 16 WCS players will be decided by cumulative points earned only in World Championship Series America, Europe, Korea, and Season Finals events. If a tie remains, it will be settled through points earned only in WCS Tier 1 events. If the players in question are still tied, seeding will be decided by coin-toss.

This means if Revival gets 1st or 2nd in his Challanger group, he's gonna surpass Naniwa ;( Which would mean that if even a single other player gets 3200+ points, Naniwa is out... T.T

Doesn't Revival only get 25 points for Challenger? If that happens he'll be equal with nani on points and players equal across the threshold will all go to Blizzcon and play a Bo5 to determine who goes into the main comp.
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