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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On October 09 2013 09:37 Darkhoarse wrote: Bah I have to root for someone from Prime. Guess Maru has to be a 2 time WCS champ. If he wins another championship, we can start calling him a bonjwa? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 09 2013 10:04 tshi wrote: If he wins another championship, we can start calling him a bonjwa? maybe when he wins 5 | ||
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Highways
Australia6124 Posts
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On October 09 2013 10:04 tshi wrote: If he wins another championship, we can start calling him a bonjwa? If he wins the Season Finals, Blizzcon and leads Prime to GSTL glory, then we can say "if he keeps up this form, we might have to start thinking about calling him a bonjwa in a year or so". | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 09 2013 10:37 althaz wrote: If he wins the Season Finals, Blizzcon and leads Prime to GSTL glory, then we can say "if he keeps up this form, we might have to start thinking about calling him a bonjwa in a year or so". So literally impossible then since Prime isn't in GSTL. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
Well, you need to consider that there were 8 GSLs in 2011 when MVP got his three championships. And there are only 3 (GSL + OSL) in 2013. So MVP's 4 GSL achievement is equal to today's 2 GSL/OSL achievement. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 09 2013 10:41 bearhug wrote: Well, you need to consider that there were 8 GSLs in 2011 when MVP got his three championships. And there are only 3 (GSL + OSL) in 2013. So MVP's 4 GSL achievement is equal to today's 2 GSL/OSL achievement. I was just going to laugh at you but seeing as you're probably serious I'll treat your terrible suggestion seriously. More opportunities doesn't mean that you will win more often, there's a reason only a select few players in the history of this game ever win more than one premier tournament. It's easier to win 3 GSL's in a year when there are 8 GSL's, unquestionably, however it doesn't mean that if there were 3 GSL's in a year winning one of them equals winning 3 in a world where there are x3 as many. Maru is a veteran of this scene just as much as Mvp, he had a chance to take advantage of more GSL's in 2011 and he failed to win any of them. Now that Maru is hitting his peak you could suggest that, in a world where there were 8 GSL's this year, Maru might win 3 of them. But there's no way to prove that it is the case. Now more specifically for Mvp's case, not only did he win 4 times but he played in the finals 6 times. That's twice as much as any other player(nestea x3, MCx3, MMAx3 if you include Blizzard Cup) in SC2 history. They all had the same opportunities if they were here from the start like Maru was. Comparing achievements from different time periods is silly anyway, if there were 8 GSL's in 2012 maybe Mvp would have won another seeing as he was the only sc2 player to play in two different GSL finals in 2012. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On October 09 2013 08:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:To illustrate soO's situation at the time, here's a little excerpt from our old preview ahead of his semi-final match against eventual champion JangBi: "JangBi, you’ve shattered everyone’s expectations by getting this far at all, but the hardest part of your journey is yet ahead of you (Editor’s note: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA)." Hey, I remember that article. That was when Riptide finally explained why I had never really enjoyed watching Flash. On October 09 2013 10:04 tshi wrote: If he wins another championship, we can start calling him a bonjwa? The article above also explains how one goes about becoming a bonjwa. It's under spoilers as "Super secret Flash bonjwa build".  | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 09 2013 11:03 opterown wrote: ^ your argument hardly counters his suggestion you know what really annoys me on the internet? when someone posts " YOU'RE WRONG! " without actually explaining why they think you're wrong. His suggestion is stupid because you cannot simply scale tournament wins up because there are more of them. There are too many factors in sc2 to suggest that winning 1 tournament when there are 3 potential tournaments to play in equals winning 2 tournaments when there are 6 potential tournaments to play in. | ||
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XtreMe_au
Australia412 Posts
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On October 09 2013 11:11 Dodgin wrote: you know what really annoys me on the internet? when someone posts " YOU'RE WRONG! " without actually explaining why they think you're wrong. His suggestion is stupid because you cannot simply scale tournament wins up because there are more of them. There are too many factors in sc2 to suggest that winning 1 tournament when there are 3 potential tournaments to play in equals winning 2 tournaments when there are 6 potential tournaments to play in. i'm on my phone and typing something out is too difficult, but i entirely disagree with how you worded your rebuttal/what your argument came from. i don't think 1/3 is equivalent to 3/9 in 'achievement', but in terms of 'dominance' or 'relevance' it's pretty similar | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
Soulkey 3–2 soO (I hope  , want to see a Maru–Soulkey finals so bad! Season 1 champ against season 2 champ would be so sick!) | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
and OH MY DEAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR | ||
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goody153
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 09 2013 11:35 opterown wrote: i'm on my phone and typing something out is too difficult, but i entirely disagree with how you worded your rebuttal/what your argument came from. i don't think 1/3 is equivalent to 3/9 in 'achievement', but in terms of 'dominance' or 'relevance' it's pretty similar Well as much as people like to say WCS World < WCS Korea, honestly I see that as 1/6 still. Maru would need to win this season AND WCS world to get a look in from me as bonjwa. Same with Soulkey. Just winning either one on it's own means nothing. Innovation looked dominant when he basically had a lot of high finishes in the big tournaments in a row. He didn't even win a WCS KR when people were super hyped. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 09 2013 11:35 opterown wrote: i'm on my phone and typing something out is too difficult, but i entirely disagree with how you worded your rebuttal/what your argument came from. i don't think 1/3 is equivalent to 3/9 in 'achievement', but in terms of 'dominance' or 'relevance' it's pretty similar it's one tournament no matter how you slice it, just because it lasts a few weeks longer than the old code s' doesn't change that fact. What we should look at now is how a player does at the season finals after their run in that specific WCS season. If they can do well in both then I think that shows a " level of dominance " similiar to winning multiple GSL's in 2011, and yes they are different types of tournaments but It's all we have to go on with so few seasons. Innovation, Soulkey and Mvp both did very well in season 1 after making it to the finals of their region + making top 4 at the season finals. In season 2 Bomber did extremely well with making it to top 4 in Korea + 1st in the season finals. Maru won Korea but then bombed out of the season finals, I would say overall Bomber was more dominant for season 2 but for some reason he's not even mentioned in these discussions. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On October 09 2013 10:40 stuchiu wrote: So literally impossible then since Prime isn't in GSTL. That's the idea! | ||
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