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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
September 09 2013 04:38 GMT
#281
On September 09 2013 13:37 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is. The only good thing about it is that it is slowly reinvigourating the BW scene.


Long ago the two starcraft scenes lived in harmony and peace. Then, everything changed when Blizzard attacked.


there was only one sc scene if not for blizzard? what are you aiming at?
Broodwar for life!
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 04:39:14
September 09 2013 04:38 GMT
#282
On September 09 2013 13:27 xsnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:21 vOdToasT wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:17 blade55555 wrote:
Not to surprised, he never really seemed to get how to play sc2 protoss very much or have that much success. I don't blame him, I would have retired to can only take so much frustration and having the pressure from fans/etc a good decision.

Sucks bisu could never really transition well like flash/jaedong.


Bisu's playstyle doesn't exist in SC2. It doesn't reward what he's good at.

it's called terran .


If you think SC2 Terran is similar to SC1 Protoss, you're making an extremely shallow comparison. Just because Terran does drops and harasses doesn't mean they reward the same skillset.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#283
no
KTY
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#284
finally. Time to get rid of that old stuff that was shiny like 10 years ago. We need new Players like Maru etc.

User was temp banned for this post.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#285
Best wishes, Bisu. I hardly knew ye.
Plat Support Main #believe
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#286
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.

I think the scene was dropping away as you said and instead of scaling back they wanted to take a chance on sc2 making it big.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 04:45:57
September 09 2013 04:45 GMT
#287
On September 09 2013 13:41 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.

I think the scene was dropping away as you said and instead of scaling back they wanted to take a chance on sc2 making it big.


No, BW was not declining as fast as SC2 actually.

If KeSPA introduces a more free model and play both BW and SC2, then it may be better. This transition thing just doesn't work.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3302 Posts
September 09 2013 04:46 GMT
#288
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.


Blizzard.
They (naturally) wanted to push SC2 out as much as possible, even if it meant making it much more difficult to have BW tounaments/etc. It was essentially forced upon Korea to switch over.
T P Z sagi
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
September 09 2013 04:49 GMT
#289
I just let out an audible "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK" when I read the headline. Bisu is the primary reason why I started following pro-BW in 2008. Holy shit, was this a kick to the gut for me. Shit, shit, shit.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
September 09 2013 04:49 GMT
#290
On September 09 2013 13:41 cutler wrote:
finally. Time to get rid of that old stuff that was shiny like 10 years ago. We need new Players like Maru etc.

User was temp banned for this post.

like maru who cheeses his way to victory then proceeds to get raped by alive and scralett in wcs finals, yeah gl with that. Ungrateful starcraft fans, give the props to the leaving legend.
Michael Probu
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
September 09 2013 04:50 GMT
#291
I'll never get to meet Bisu now T_T
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
September 09 2013 04:51 GMT
#292
Broodwar's back baby :D
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 09 2013 04:52 GMT
#293
One by one our BW heroes put away their swords sad day my favorite Protoss player </3
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 09 2013 04:55 GMT
#294
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.

Well, I remember how SSL 8 had this small uproar about being blocked from playing because they needed to buy a license from Blizzard. All that just because they managed to put up a tournament with over 5K USD in winnings.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
September 09 2013 04:55 GMT
#295
On September 09 2013 13:51 9-BiT wrote:
Broodwar's back baby :D
I predict 1 week until a Bisu stream. Jangbi's stream was up pretty quickly.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
September 09 2013 04:56 GMT
#296
WHAT THE HELL? NO WAY. Sigh.. It doesn't matter which team you root for. Bisu was influential in BW & was always amazing to watch. This is not cool :/
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
September 09 2013 04:57 GMT
#297
The man that took HIM down. gl hf Bisu, you're a legend, no SCBW story could be complete without you.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 05:03:00
September 09 2013 04:58 GMT
#298
On September 09 2013 13:57 Titusmaster6 wrote:
The man that took HIM down. gl hf Bisu, you're a legend, no SCBW story could be complete without you.


He slayed a bonjwa, and fixed PvZ. Just look at PvZ statistics from before and after Bisu's rise.
Almost every map, during like 2003 - 2006 had 55 - 60% winrates for Zerg in ZvP. After Bisu, it was closer to 50% than it was to 60. Before, it was the reverse.

Just like sAviOr fixed ZvT, and beat NaDa in the OSL, Bisu fixed PvZ, and defeated sAviOr in the MSL at the same time. Poetic.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
September 09 2013 05:02 GMT
#299
Bisu was the reason why I started following SC in the first place. I'm going to miss him...

Sigh -.- Well I stopped really following SC2 so I guess... it kinda goes with the flow on how the scene is really. Time to change my signature again :p
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
September 09 2013 05:03 GMT
#300
Only good memories.

If he decides to come back to eSports after his service, I'm sure the community will welcome him.
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