• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:33
CEST 21:33
KST 04:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection My starcraft 2 changes SCFusion - WoL, HotS & LotV Build Order Optimizer TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes?
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread BW animated web series: seeking contributors FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event 14k games analyzed: Cross Spawn Nexus first good? Data needed
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5964 users

Bisu retires - Page 15

Forum Index > SC2 General
1100 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 56 Next
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
September 09 2013 04:38 GMT
#281
On September 09 2013 13:37 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is. The only good thing about it is that it is slowly reinvigourating the BW scene.


Long ago the two starcraft scenes lived in harmony and peace. Then, everything changed when Blizzard attacked.


there was only one sc scene if not for blizzard? what are you aiming at?
Broodwar for life!
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 04:39:14
September 09 2013 04:38 GMT
#282
On September 09 2013 13:27 xsnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:21 vOdToasT wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:17 blade55555 wrote:
Not to surprised, he never really seemed to get how to play sc2 protoss very much or have that much success. I don't blame him, I would have retired to can only take so much frustration and having the pressure from fans/etc a good decision.

Sucks bisu could never really transition well like flash/jaedong.


Bisu's playstyle doesn't exist in SC2. It doesn't reward what he's good at.

it's called terran .


If you think SC2 Terran is similar to SC1 Protoss, you're making an extremely shallow comparison. Just because Terran does drops and harasses doesn't mean they reward the same skillset.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#283
no
KTY
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#284
finally. Time to get rid of that old stuff that was shiny like 10 years ago. We need new Players like Maru etc.

User was temp banned for this post.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#285
Best wishes, Bisu. I hardly knew ye.
Plat Support Main #believe
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
September 09 2013 04:41 GMT
#286
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.

I think the scene was dropping away as you said and instead of scaling back they wanted to take a chance on sc2 making it big.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 04:45:57
September 09 2013 04:45 GMT
#287
On September 09 2013 13:41 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.

I think the scene was dropping away as you said and instead of scaling back they wanted to take a chance on sc2 making it big.


No, BW was not declining as fast as SC2 actually.

If KeSPA introduces a more free model and play both BW and SC2, then it may be better. This transition thing just doesn't work.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3302 Posts
September 09 2013 04:46 GMT
#288
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.


Blizzard.
They (naturally) wanted to push SC2 out as much as possible, even if it meant making it much more difficult to have BW tounaments/etc. It was essentially forced upon Korea to switch over.
T P Z sagi
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
September 09 2013 04:49 GMT
#289
I just let out an audible "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK" when I read the headline. Bisu is the primary reason why I started following pro-BW in 2008. Holy shit, was this a kick to the gut for me. Shit, shit, shit.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
September 09 2013 04:49 GMT
#290
On September 09 2013 13:41 cutler wrote:
finally. Time to get rid of that old stuff that was shiny like 10 years ago. We need new Players like Maru etc.

User was temp banned for this post.

like maru who cheeses his way to victory then proceeds to get raped by alive and scralett in wcs finals, yeah gl with that. Ungrateful starcraft fans, give the props to the leaving legend.
Michael Probu
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
September 09 2013 04:50 GMT
#291
I'll never get to meet Bisu now T_T
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
September 09 2013 04:51 GMT
#292
Broodwar's back baby :D
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 09 2013 04:52 GMT
#293
One by one our BW heroes put away their swords sad day my favorite Protoss player </3
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 09 2013 04:55 GMT
#294
On September 09 2013 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 13:34 purakushi wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
sigh... I'm starting to think SC2 was the worst thing to happen to Starcraft.


It is.

tbh I have never really understood why the big BW leagues stopped. Even post match fixing scandal OSL's had huge amounts of spectators. Definitely more than SC2 ever has had in Korea. If sponsors started becoming more hesitant they could have just scaled back the tournies. It's not like SC2 has had the best sponsor support either. BW was heavily played in PC bangs up until recently, much more than SC2 ever has. Why did the leagues stop? Most people point to match fixing as the reason but honestly I can't help but feel like Kespa and co were forced to switch by blizzard :/

I'm all for the huge growth of Starcraft in the foreign scene due to SC2, but I still can't really understand why it had to mean BW's death.

Well, I remember how SSL 8 had this small uproar about being blocked from playing because they needed to buy a license from Blizzard. All that just because they managed to put up a tournament with over 5K USD in winnings.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
September 09 2013 04:55 GMT
#295
On September 09 2013 13:51 9-BiT wrote:
Broodwar's back baby :D
I predict 1 week until a Bisu stream. Jangbi's stream was up pretty quickly.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
September 09 2013 04:56 GMT
#296
WHAT THE HELL? NO WAY. Sigh.. It doesn't matter which team you root for. Bisu was influential in BW & was always amazing to watch. This is not cool :/
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
September 09 2013 04:57 GMT
#297
The man that took HIM down. gl hf Bisu, you're a legend, no SCBW story could be complete without you.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 05:03:00
September 09 2013 04:58 GMT
#298
On September 09 2013 13:57 Titusmaster6 wrote:
The man that took HIM down. gl hf Bisu, you're a legend, no SCBW story could be complete without you.


He slayed a bonjwa, and fixed PvZ. Just look at PvZ statistics from before and after Bisu's rise.
Almost every map, during like 2003 - 2006 had 55 - 60% winrates for Zerg in ZvP. After Bisu, it was closer to 50% than it was to 60. Before, it was the reverse.

Just like sAviOr fixed ZvT, and beat NaDa in the OSL, Bisu fixed PvZ, and defeated sAviOr in the MSL at the same time. Poetic.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
September 09 2013 05:02 GMT
#299
Bisu was the reason why I started following SC in the first place. I'm going to miss him...

Sigh -.- Well I stopped really following SC2 so I guess... it kinda goes with the flow on how the scene is really. Time to change my signature again :p
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
September 09 2013 05:03 GMT
#300
Only good memories.

If he decides to come back to eSports after his service, I'm sure the community will welcome him.
[TLMS] REBOOT
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 56 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:00
FSL s11 TeamLeague: ASH vs ST
Liquipedia
Grudge Match
16:00
Best of 7
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
Discussion
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Season Finals: Group Stage 1
uThermal1833
TaKeTV 409
SteadfastSC268
LamboSC2167
IndyStarCraft 158
sc2solar50
trigger43
SpiritSC210
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 1833
SteadfastSC 258
IndyStarCraft 158
LamboSC2 140
BRAT_OK 53
sc2solar 50
trigger 43
Railgan 42
SpiritSC2 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21483
Calm 6378
Hyuk 376
Sexy 49
Rock 23
GoRush 20
yabsab 14
NaDa 10
Dota 2
Gorgc8620
Counter-Strike
fl0m9473
zeus264
xp33
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King102
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor287
MindelVK6
Other Games
FrodaN3226
Grubby3174
Mlord683
B2W.Neo515
Pyrionflax105
UpATreeSC42
OptimusSC215
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV930
gamesdonequick758
BasetradeTV165
StarCraft 2
angryscii 26
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 33
• Reevou 7
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 41
• 80smullet 18
• FirePhoenix6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota250
Other Games
• Shiphtur193
• tFFMrPink 8
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 27m
MaxPax vs YoungYakov
Krystianer vs Shameless
GgMaChine vs Creature
LetaleX vs MiniZergUA
ReBellioN vs TBD
ArT vs HiGhDrA
Nicoract vs Azura
GSL
12h 27m
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
Patches Events
17h 27m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
19h 27m
BSL
23h 27m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
OSC
1d 4h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
Replay Cast
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.