EPTTrue and soO are gonna knock out some favorites for sure ^_^ GL all
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tl2212
Belize731 Posts
True and soO are gonna knock out some favorites for sure ^_^ GL all | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:18 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Exactly, from the origin, it is basically old BW players vs original SC2 players. Also just like many TL "elites" pointed before in lots of LR thread, there are never any eSF fans exist anyway. Then why bother with the eSF term, just call non-kespa vs kespa, that will be more intense and valid. Because there are certainly a lot of KeSPA fans exist. Just drop the eSF term in this rivalry argument from now on. Sure, I'd be completely fine with turning it into non-Kespa vs. Kespa because that would be more accurate. I refer to it as eSF vs. Kespa because whenever I join a conversation regarding the subject, people are calling it that so I just go along with it instead of derailing the conversation on semantics. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:22 HolyArrow wrote: Sure, I'd be completely fine with turning it into non-Kespa vs. Kespa because that would be more accurate. I refer to it as eSF vs. Kespa because whenever I join a conversation regarding the subject, people are calling it that so I just go along with it instead of derailing the conversation on semantics. Sure, but if you call it eSF vs Kespa, then make it right by excluding ex-esf players, otherwise, that's pretty silly. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:24 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Sure, but if you call it eSF vs Kespa, then make it right by excluding ex-esf players, otherwise, that's pretty silly. Exactly, semantics. | ||
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arvinds94
United States40 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:55 Charlie.Sheen wrote: By your logic, Naniwa, Stephano, Huk, are all eSF players. That's called anti-kespa mentality, just call all of them as non-kespa players, and call your self as anti-kespa fan from now on. This has absolutely nothing to do with eSF. Because if we restrict to the true esf teams then the competition kespa vs esf becomes nonsensical given one side is three time as big. There is no fun in that. I don't think there is any confusion in referring to gomtv korean players as esf. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:09 Penev wrote: It wasn't a mistake. You have to know the history of the KesPA vs ESF thing aka the "the elephant in the room" thing. It's not important that it isn't completely accurate; It's actually more of a joke now, really. Replace ESF with "pioneers" if you want it to be more accurate. The pioneers being the players who left KesPA in the beginning of SC2. Many people thought (including me) that once KesPA would switch to SC2 after a certain time (my guess was after the release of HotS) their players would dominate the scene. At least until now, it's been pretty much 50/50, exactly 50/50 actually, because PartinG should be considered a pioneer. Not being a Korean esports organization enthusiast is, at least in my book, a good thing btw. I find the "YAY KESPA/ ESF" posts in the LR threads very silly. The seriously meant ones I mean. @HolyArrow: Telepathy, no doubt. xD It is my favorite joke on this forum actually. The elephant article was rubbish that disrespected a lot of hard working SC2 players. And it was wrong. But Kespa players still get too much credit. If you ignore Proleague results, a lot of the Kespa players aren't very good. And that says a lot about the quality of play in Proleague. We all know what happened when Dear called out Naniwa at MLG, and that is just one of the hard lessons in humility that the elephant believers have had to endure. | ||
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patchpotato
22 Posts
KeSPA(17) 3 CJ Entus -  Bbyong  herO[jOin]  SonGDuri2 JinAir - Pigbaby TRUE1 KT - Flash2 Samsung Khan - JangBi Reality3 SKT1 - PartinG Rain soO4 STX - Dear hyvaa INnoVation Trap2 WJS - sOs SoulkeyESF(14) 3 Azubu - Sleep SuperNova Symbol1 FXO - GuMiho3 IM - First KangHo YongHwa5 MVP - DongRaeGu DreAm KeeN Super Swagger1 Prime - Maru1 Startale - BomberOther(1) 1 mYi - jjakjiFor comparison, last season looked like this: KeSPA(17) 2 CJ Entus - Bbyong EffOrt1 JinAir (Team 8) - Savage1 KT - Flash3 Samsung Khan - JangBi RorO Shine4 SKT1 - FanTaSy PartinG Rain soO3 STX - hyvaa INnoVation Trap3 WJS - Flying sOs SoulkeyESF(14) 2 Azubu - SuperNova Symbol2 FXO - Hurricane Leenock5 IM - First KangHo RagnaroK Squirtle YongHwa1 MVP - KeeN1 Prime - Maru3 Startale - Bomber Curious LifeOther(1) 1 Root - YugiOh | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:09 Penev wrote: It wasn't a mistake. You have to know the history of the KesPA vs ESF thing aka the "the elephant in the room" thing. It's not important that it isn't completely accurate; It's actually more of a joke now, really. Replace ESF with "pioneers" if you want it to be more accurate. The pioneers being the players who left KesPA in the beginning of SC2. Many people thought (including me) that once KesPA would switch to SC2 after a certain time (my guess was after the release of HotS) their players would dominate the scene. At least until now, it's been pretty much 50/50, exactly 50/50 actually, because PartinG should be considered a pioneer. Not being a Korean esports organization enthusiast is, at least in my book, a good thing btw. I find the "YAY KESPA/ ESF" posts in the LR threads very silly. The seriously meant ones I mean. @HolyArrow: Telepathy, no doubt. xD So the entire thing was some weird inside-joke you and HolyArrow and a few other's got? I do remember the Elephant in the Room article, I remember the OSL / GSL spat last year where ESF was an important organization. Also, the earlier Slayer's and NASL 2* controversies both made ESF a tangible organization and not just some made-up entity in the mind of fanboys. I'm not entirely sure when it turned into meaning Kespa versus the World, probably when people realized Slayers wasn't in ESF and the non-Kespa Koreans started jumping around to different teams. So it's increasingly becoming more of a misnomer and almost short-hand for GSTL team or non-Kespa as you say. I agree that the entire rivalry is silly, but like you said, some people take it seriously, some keep score and you did word things pretty ambiguously (your first response especially). But I see what you mean now. Edit: Ok this was SC2Con, the precursor to eSF, but I think the point still stands. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
its no more than senior prank on freshmen...some seniors will take their elitism seriously with arrogance and most freshmen will get butthurt and take it serious...but most of seniors are just laughing our ass off and move on and some freshment will understand and move on too. so lets keep the esf/kespa rivalry, elephant, a fun thing to joke about and not something to go full retard over. | ||
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