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King of APM: Losira / Kangho
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Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
Make sure to subscribe to the YT Channel if you enjoy the content! Also: http://redd.it/1jqj5b Have fun with the video! | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
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umelbumel
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Thanks for the FPVOD! | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Thanks Khaldor | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
You know something you could add as content would be the equipment that the players are using, mouse and keyboard. Could be interesting. ^^ Edit: now that I think of it, what tournament is that? it's at gomtv no? qualifiers or something? | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
Not mechanical kb ? | ||
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ETisME
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Sevre
Ireland619 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote: My 140 APM feel terrible watching this My 40 apm makes me feel old | ||
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Wpcwe
Russian Federation126 Posts
Losira fighting! :3 | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
if there was a such thing as a tap dancing spider, it'd probably look something like Losira's hand. If only he made better decisions while playing D: | ||
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On August 05 2013 21:59 Incognoto wrote: Edit: now that I think of it, what tournament is that? it's at gomtv no? qualifiers or something? Description below the video says: "The video was recorded at the WCG Korea Qualifier in Seoul" Wow, KangHo is really fast and an interesting diagonal postion of his keyboard. Thanks Khaldor for yet again another well-recorded APM video (: | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote: My 140 APM feel terrible watching this You two are slow :\ Thanks for this khaldor | ||
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
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T0F4sT
Netherlands317 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:32 T0F4sT wrote: didnt he play piano for a long time? I don't know, but I feel like when we see a skilled pianist we should ask him if he played starcraft. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:32 TRaFFiC wrote: Looks like Kang Ho is firing up that keyboard as usual. I'd also be interested to know what gear he uses. Probably new one every 2 weeks. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:32 T0F4sT wrote: didnt he play piano for a long time? Yeah I've read somewhere that he used to be a quite good pianist. I believe his mother told this to Artosis or something like that. | ||
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
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Opera
France469 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:32 TRaFFiC wrote: Looks like Kang Ho is firing up that keyboard as usual. I'd also be interested to know what gear he uses. QSENN dt-35 like most of the korean pros which are not forced to used sponsor hardware. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:27 dreamseller wrote: amazing how he is selecting the keys with his left hand's thumb. i wonder how common this is? he must have excellent muscular control and flexibility in his left hand at least He used to be a pretty decent piano player from what I've heard. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
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syriuszonito
Poland332 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 05 2013 23:22 syriuszonito wrote: Holy shit, fastest sc2 player for sure :D Wonder what's his real apm? Prolly somewhere near 500? Check out yoda, if there's a fpvod around anywhere | ||
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Squiggles
Canada54 Posts
Thank you for the videos! Please keep doing them! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
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Mackem
United Kingdom470 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 05 2013 23:59 Mohdoo wrote: Shit like this is why its impossible to feel good at SC2 Just 4gate to masters league, and you'll be in the top 2% or w/e it is. You'll be technically good then | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:14 bo1b wrote: Just 4gate to masters league, and you'll be in the top 2% or w/e it is. You'll be technically good then i was staying in masters with 2gate proxy while farming my pics. not feeling good but better ranking than playing for serious  | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also i think we have found the Zerg version of NaDa? I mean NaDa to me was always the fastest, but looking at this i think we have found a Zerg equivalent? | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
 That said, it was seriously impressive. | ||
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mau5mat
Northern Ireland461 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:13 forsooth wrote: Is he actually using his thumb to press certain keys? That's crazy, I've never seen anyone do that. Does no-one else do this? I thought it was the most comfortable way to press certain keys myself? | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:21 mau5mat wrote: Does no-one else do this? I thought it was the most comfortable way to press certain keys myself? I use it for nothing but alt and spacebar. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On August 05 2013 23:02 renaissanceMAN wrote: i wonder if there are any youtube videos of him playing piano? Not sure about youtube videos but GOMTV used to make some mini documentaries about players and such. Losira was one of them and he's playing piano in that video. Links: GSL Players: Behind the Booth - IMLosirA part1 http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/gomcam/65175 GSL Players: Behind the Booth - IMLosirA part2 http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/gomcam/65190 Edit: It's about 10 mins into part 2. | ||
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EdouarKiLL
Russian Federation112 Posts
On August 05 2013 23:25 bo1b wrote: Check out yoda, if there's a fpvod around anywhere Yeah Yoda is the fastest imo | ||
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ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
I believe players such as DRG and Vibe also play at an average of 500+ apm. All the top zergs so fast ;; Like Ragnarok: | ||
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Backlash123
Canada57 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:27 dreamseller wrote: amazing how he is selecting the keys with his left hand's thumb. i wonder how common this is? he must have excellent muscular control and flexibility in his left hand at least I would be so slow if I couldn't use my left thumb to hit the bottom row of keys. | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:40 Zackeva wrote: I believe players such as DRG and Vibe also play at an average of 500+ apm. All the top zergs so fast ;; Like Ragnarok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXg3VqmNhpM I love how you managed to sneak Vibe in ; ) | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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matsushi
Philippines65 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:40 Zackeva wrote: I believe players such as DRG and Vibe also play at an average of 500+ apm. All the top zergs so fast ;; Like Ragnarok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXg3VqmNhpM Worth noting is that zerg's larva mechanics makes a player shoot up in APM. I have ~140 apm with my terran in an intense game, but shoots up to ~200 when playing zerg! | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:21 mau5mat wrote: Does no-one else do this? I thought it was the most comfortable way to press certain keys myself? If you watch a lot of POV vids, you'll see that many pros use their thumb. Personally, I don't know how hitting keys like b or v with something other than my thumb would even be comfortable. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
Losira's EPM is 240-250+, making him among the fastest Zergs in the world. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Just curious, do you ever ask the players prior? Would hate to distract them, though they might not care at all. | ||
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Walnuts
United States770 Posts
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
I shall dream forever | ||
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ant885
United States52 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Orangered
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Langjai
Canada4 Posts
I'd imagine that a lot of these players will develop repetitive stress disorders playing at this level o_o | ||
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thezanursic
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
I also wish things like 'Top Zergs play at 500 average APM' when they straightup don't. If I recall correctly, that fallacy is oft-repeated, and is based on DRG peaking at 550 or something at a moment where the observer had the APM overlayed. Also I remember reading that there were a bunch you took prior to upload, and Losira and Life were both correct. Whoever posted it also mentioned Rain, is this true? If so even MORE love if that were possible. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On August 06 2013 15:03 Wombat_NI wrote: Don't get me wrong Losira is fast, but he appears faster than he is due to his distinctive left hand. So beautiful, thanks Khaldor! I also wish things like 'Top Zergs play at 500 average APM' when they straightup don't. If I recall correctly, that fallacy is oft-repeated, and is based on DRG peaking at 550 or something at a moment where the observer had the APM overlayed. Also I remember reading that there were a bunch you took prior to upload, and Losira and Life were both correct. Whoever posted it also mentioned Rain, is this true? If so even MORE love if that were possible. Asus Rog just released their replays. DRG averages 420-430 apm. Not 500, but still fucking fast as shit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
I'm confused tbh, Blizzard have screwed with the stat so many times that I'm not really sure what the hell is going on! | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 06 2013 16:14 Wombat_NI wrote: I remember MLG used to have APM stats and very few players averaged much above 350 or so. I'm confused tbh, Blizzard have screwed with the stat so many times that I'm not really sure what the hell is going on! wasnt it when you held down R during a roach remax (or z for zergling etc whatever you have bound) it made your apm spike like crazy? Apollo claimed Leenock hit around 1000 once during a roach remax at an MLG if I remember right | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:09 Rhaegal wrote: From my experience, EPM in SC2gears is the best indicator of speed, because APM is meaningless, just look at players like Vibe or lastshadow. Losira's EPM is 240-250+, making him among the fastest Zergs in the world. Basicly this, APM is easily abused and misinterperted. I don't know if he's faster then others like an DRG or not, but what i will say is his movements are the most beautiful to watch for sure. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
At least with APM what you see is what you get, it's not just arbitrarily taking things out. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 06 2013 16:31 Wombat_NI wrote: Base APM > EPM which is rather selective imo. At least with APM what you see is what you get, it's not just arbitrarily taking things out. but APM takes everything into account even double clicking and such. At least EPM tries to take those things out. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On August 06 2013 16:01 Rhaegal wrote: Asus Rog just released their replays. DRG averages 420-430 apm. Not 500, but still fucking fast as shit. That's nice, going to watch those this morning I think; steal all Taeja's builds. | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:33 Venomsflame wrote: I love Losira. I wish I spoke Korean and we lived together and we could be best friends and tell stories and play 2s and double 6 pool people. Some people dream for fame and money, I dream of 2s with KangHo. I shall dream forever I speak to him on twitter every so often. His english (at least in tiny spurts) is pretty good. I suggest this for all your favorite Korean pros, get on twitter and tweet them, short easy to understand english statements. They seem to be very receptive to their english speaking fans and the language barrier seems to make it more exciting. I've tried it with KangHo and Zenio, and both have answered questions, said more than just hello, and been pretty cool guys. | ||
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robson1
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On August 06 2013 16:35 BigFan wrote: but APM takes everything into account even double clicking and such. At least EPM tries to take those things out. Epm takes valuable actions out as well. Cycling through hotkeys is not a meaningless action. | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
On August 06 2013 17:17 Noobity wrote: I speak to him on twitter every so often. His english (at least in tiny spurts) is pretty good. I suggest this for all your favorite Korean pros, get on twitter and tweet them, short easy to understand english statements. They seem to be very receptive to their english speaking fans and the language barrier seems to make it more exciting. I've tried it with KangHo and Zenio, and both have answered questions, said more than just hello, and been pretty cool guys. DRG does this as well. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 06 2013 17:18 robson1 wrote: Epm takes valuable actions out as well. Cycling through hotkeys is not a meaningless action. Spamming worker hotkeys early game is pretty useless, but mid-late game cycling of production facilities is suuuuuuper important. We'll never get a real "EPM". NEVER. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9408 Posts
On August 06 2013 16:14 Wombat_NI wrote: I remember MLG used to have APM stats and very few players averaged much above 350 or so. I'm confused tbh, Blizzard have screwed with the stat so many times that I'm not really sure what the hell is going on! If you multiply it with 1.38, I think there are quite some players which average 400+. Losira having games where he averages 500 doesn't seem that unrealistic. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On August 06 2013 08:53 Havik_ wrote: All that speed, yet the tip top players are significantly slower than he is!! I love Losira, but let's say it this way, he doesn't always play the smartest... DRG is pretty damn fast too. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
I am not saying that Zerg is an easier race, but i think Terran rewards the fast APM players the most. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 06 2013 16:26 Lysanias wrote: Basicly this, APM is easily abused and misinterperted. I don't know if he's faster then others like an DRG or not, but what i will say is his movements are the most beautiful to watch for sure. They're both about the same speed which is blisteringly fast. Yoda has replays of him above 280eapm, which is faster then anyone I've ever seen, including broodwar. | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On August 06 2013 17:56 gengka wrote: imagine if he is a Terran. I am not saying that Zerg is an easier race, but i think Terran rewards the fast APM players the most. His Terran is GM level. Back when he used to stream, he played Terran a lot, and it was scary how good it was. Also, he played Terran in BW. And from what I've seen, the player with the higher epm wins much more often in TvZ, regardless of the race. I thought about making a graph to show this from the Asus Rog / Dreamhack/ Iem/ MLG replays, but I was too lazy | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On August 06 2013 17:58 bo1b wrote: They're both about the same speed which is blisteringly fast. Yoda has replays of him above 280eapm, which is faster then anyone I've ever seen, including broodwar. Yes, from all the replays that have been released in SC2, Yoda is the fastest player. You can see it clearly from his play as well. | ||
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
On August 05 2013 22:01 shin_toss wrote: Thanks Khaldor! aawesome as alwayss Not mechanical kb ? Most ex-broodwar pros use the QSENN DT-35 if they haven't switched to mechanical. It's the one that they were provided in the teamhouses way back when and got used to | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
On August 06 2013 00:19 Iyerbeth wrote: Can't believe you posted a loss. That said, it was seriously impressive.It's not like I know the result of the matches before I record them ^^ I have to take what I get | ||
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lifesoheavy
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apm 500 | ||
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Squiggles
Canada54 Posts
On August 07 2013 20:20 Khaldor wrote: It's not like I know the result of the matches before I record them ^^ I have to take what I get I've wonder if being up so close to them makes them more nervous? What do you think? I know they're suppose to be professionals and it's a part of being a progamer. | ||
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dangthatsright
1160 Posts
how does epm make any sense in this context | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
THanks Khaldor, you clearly aren't skipping leg day for standing around like this : ) | ||
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Khaldor
Germany861 Posts
On August 07 2013 23:15 Squiggles wrote: I've wonder if being up so close to them makes them more nervous? What do you think? I know they're suppose to be professionals and it's a part of being a progamer. There were several pictures at Reddit that show that I'm pretty far away from them. Korean journalists took them during the qualifier. In fact those journalists are much closer to the players while taking the pictures for their articles and also much more in their face. I never had a single player complain. Most completely forget about me which is why I usually say "Good Job" or "Well done" at the end so that they look in the camera for a second. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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