Considered to be the best StarCraft: Brood War player of all time, South Korea's Lee "Flash" Young Ho has announced his StarCraft II team KT Rolster will be sponsored by Razer and that he will begin streaming on Twitch.tv.
"It's no secret how seriously I take my gaming hardware and it's truly an honor for me to use gaming equipment produced by Razer," said Flash. "Of all equipment manufacturers in global gaming, Razer products mean I am fully prepared to win. The way I can find subtle advantage and a feeling of stability in Razer product is very special and allows me to concentrate on the game and winning as I must."
"KT Rolster are one of the most enduring and prestigious names in eSports and StarCraft as a whole, so bringing them on board alongside our other Korean teams such as FXO and MVP made sense," Razer Associate eSports Manager Drew Holt-Kentwell told GameSpot on why the company decided to sponsor KT Rolster over other teams.
This will mark the first time that a player from the Korean eSports Association (KeSPA) will live-stream their games on Twitch. Known for intense all-day practice regimens and various team restrictions, professional players in South Korea under KeSPA have not been able to live stream their games as players in the West have done, or even fellow South Korean players not under KeSPA's rule. Former KeSPA player Lee "Jaedong" Jae Dong was the first player of that group to start streaming, only after leaving the umbrella to sign with the Western organization Evil Geniuses.
Oh god. SO MANY NERD CHILLS. Vods just don't do justice to live player streaming. Omfg. If I have to wake up at 4 in the morning to watch him stream for an hour, DONE.
Wheat: Do you think that the KeSPA practice has been stronger than ESF because the ESF players had more tournaments to go to, or are there any other differences in your practice schedules?
Flash: I'm not too sure, but from what I've heard, the ESF players practice more freely than us. It makes sense because we have better salary than the ESF players.
On June 27 2013 10:43 xgtx wrote: So what razer product does he use now? He said he tested it and they were great. Mouse+Keyboard?
For some reason, players sponsored by some hardware manufacturer always tell us that its equipment is the best even if they didn't use it until a month ago.
On June 27 2013 10:43 xgtx wrote: So what razer product does he use now? He said he tested it and they were great. Mouse+Keyboard?
For some reason, players sponsored by some hardware manufacturer always tell us that its equipment is the best even if they didn't use it until a month ago.
That's because they've never experienced it before. Stop being such a cynic.
Hmm.. I really really hope that he doesn't have to stream much and will only stream rarely. Streaming a lot would for sure affect his performance negatively and I feel like most players streams become a little boring to watch if they stream every single day. I just don't want that happen to Flash. Still very excited to watch his stream!
On June 27 2013 11:20 TR wrote: Hmm.. I really really hope that he doesn't have to stream much and will only stream rarely. Streaming a lot would for sure affect his performance negatively and I feel like most players streams become a little boring to watch if they stream every single day. I just don't want that happen to Flash. Still very excited to watch his stream!
Agreed. I love watching someone I haven't seen in weeks stream.
read the whole thing for someone people regard as "god", he's pretty bland zero charisma, no opinions that could "get him in trouble", and, overall, I couldn't get a glimpse of personality. good thing for him and his fans that he plays well I'll keep watching
in topic: his stream will, with no doubt, break the internet razor will get a ton of exposition, so GJ
Hope he starts streaming soon. Excited to see his mechanics and how he moves the screen :o Jaedong is so unbelievably good, can only imagine FlaSh would be better!
On June 27 2013 10:43 xgtx wrote: So what razer product does he use now? He said he tested it and they were great. Mouse+Keyboard?
For some reason, players sponsored by some hardware manufacturer always tell us that its equipment is the best even if they didn't use it until a month ago.
That's because they've never experienced it before. Stop being such a cynic.
If the testimonial actually sounded like Flash and not like every other Razer pro endorsement i`d be less inclined to be sceptical.
On June 27 2013 11:31 DavoS wrote: They must have offered an ungodly amount of money to get Flash to stream
And to use Razer's keyboards. No offence to razer, their mice product is great (if not count synapse 2.0 crap), but they are far behind in keyboard's war. They don't even have keyboards with mx blacks/reds yet. BW Stealth has browns, so hopefully Flash still can play on it after his Zowie kb which has browns too.
if he has to do it with a razer keyboard, i'm prepared for a shit show. albeit, streaming his practice is going to gimp him as it is. let's hope it's all benefit.
Everyone loves Flash, and I can see why as he was pretty much a prodigy and the best in BW, based on what I've read on forums and fanboys. But after reading the following, I just got the biggest impression that he's some Bronze noob who will never succeed in SC2...
Artosis: How do you feel about SCII Terran (versus BW)?
Flash: For me, HotS T is better than WoL T. I think there are improvements to make, for example mech is too weak, and if it is buffed we could have more variety.
Wheat: What would you do to make mech more powerful/to your liking?
Flash: I suggest that tank supply decreases from 3 to 2. I also think tanks should become stronger against Immortals, as they are too weak against them now. Maybe some bio nerfs would help mech too.
Huge thanks to Flash for coming on the show. Not only is this the first time we've had on a KeSPA player, but it's the first time he's done a major interview like this in the West. It's an honor to be able to be a part of that.
Also thanks to Dan was great today, really appreciative to him for coming on so early in the morning. He really does know Flash better than himself.
Last but not least, thanks to everyone that tuned in. Having spoken to KeSPA officials about bringing them on talk shows like these, I think this will go a long way in getting a lot of these players more exposure in the west. Hope the questions were good enough for you guys. Sorry if I failed you.
On June 27 2013 12:05 geokilla wrote: Everyone loves Flash, and I can see why as he was pretty much a prodigy and the best in BW, based on what I've read on forums and fanboys. But after reading the following, I just got the biggest impression that he's some Bronze noob who will never succeed in SC2...
Artosis: How do you feel about SCII Terran (versus BW)?
Flash: For me, HotS T is better than WoL T. I think there are improvements to make, for example mech is too weak, and if it is buffed we could have more variety.
Wheat: What would you do to make mech more powerful/to your liking?
Flash: I suggest that tank supply decreases from 3 to 2. I also think tanks should become stronger against Immortals, as they are too weak against them now. Maybe some bio nerfs would help mech too.
You are the noob, he was asked his opinion only about SC2 Terran, not about balance or game design. if his suggestions break the game is not his job to fix it.
As flash said in the interview, I too hope that blizzard will converse with fans and progamers more to improve the game - I love sc2 but i think there are things that could be changed to make the game even greater. I have many bw friends who just don't like sc2 for a variety of reasons, it would be nice for that gap to close a bit and get them keen on sc2.
Wheat: Do you think that the KeSPA practice has been stronger than ESF because the ESF players had more tournaments to go to, or are there any other differences in your practice schedules?
Flash: I'm not too sure, but from what I've heard, the ESF players practice more freely than us. It makes sense because we have better salary than the ESF players.
read the whole thing for someone people regard as "god", he's pretty bland zero charisma, no opinions that could "get him in trouble", and, overall, I couldn't get a glimpse of personality. good thing for him and his fans that he plays well I'll keep watching
in topic: his stream will, with no doubt, break the internet razor will get a ton of exposition, so GJ
Makes sense if they're sponsored by Razer now. Think about how willing these big sponsors are to drop players/teams based on unsafe comments. Check out the Flash-Medic Date interview with ToSsGirL from last year for a more personal interview.
Huge thanks to Flash for coming on the show. Not only is this the first time we've had on a KeSPA player, but it's the first time he's done a major interview like this in the West. It's an honor to be able to be a part of that.
Also thanks to Dan was great today, really appreciative to him for coming on so early in the morning. He really does know Flash better than himself.
Last but not least, thanks to everyone that tuned in. Having spoken to KeSPA officials about bringing them on talk shows like these, I think this will go a long way in getting a lot of these players more exposure in the west. Hope the questions were good enough for you guys. Sorry if I failed you.
you guys did great. his answers tho weren't that interesting. I'm not sure if this is a personal thing of his... or a cultural korean thing... or a kespa press office standardization in the answers.
I am afraid Americans don't know who flash is... Just look at Byun who gets much less viewers than some NA streamers. Greater skill not necessarily mean more viewers
Good lord how did Razer do this (get KT Rolster to agree to let God stream)? Anyone want to guess how many viewers Flash will get?
On June 27 2013 13:10 mostwanted wrote: I am afraid Americans don't know who flash is... Just look at Byun who gets much less viewers than some NA streamers. Greater skill not necessarily mean more viewers
Are you seriously comparing Byun with Flash? Everyone knows who Flash is. Even people who didnt follow BW now know Flash because he is hyped to shit everywhere.
Who cares about watching KT scrubs. SKT rich enough to keep everything in house especially with our sick Nike sponsored Jerseys. My closing thoughts, you can find KT Flash and the gang all on twitch live as they lose in the playoffs and they don't need any sponsors for that to happen. :O
On June 27 2013 13:14 havok55 wrote: Good lord how did Razer do this (get KT Rolster to agree to let God stream)? Anyone want to guess how many viewers Flash will get?
On June 27 2013 13:10 mostwanted wrote: I am afraid Americans don't know who flash is... Just look at Byun who gets much less viewers than some NA streamers. Greater skill not necessarily mean more viewers
Are you seriously comparing Byun with Flash? Everyone knows who Flash is. Even people who didnt follow BW now know Flash because he is hyped to shit everywhere.
anyone who follows BW/sc2 scene should know flash .. even now flash is a top tier player ..i guess flash will have the more/less than big daddy dongs stream
Great to see Flash start streaming~! Also, awesome interview, Flash seems like a humble guy despite his huge fame in BroodWar. Starting to become a fan <3
On June 27 2013 13:14 havok55 wrote: Good lord how did Razer do this (get KT Rolster to agree to let God stream)? Anyone want to guess how many viewers Flash will get?
On June 27 2013 13:10 mostwanted wrote: I am afraid Americans don't know who flash is... Just look at Byun who gets much less viewers than some NA streamers. Greater skill not necessarily mean more viewers
Are you seriously comparing Byun with Flash? Everyone knows who Flash is. Even people who didnt follow BW now know Flash because he is hyped to shit everywhere.
anyone who follows BW/sc2 scene should know flash .. even now flash is a top tier player ..i guess flash will have the more/less than big daddy dongs stream
What I think will happen is he'll get 10-14k viewers first time (jaedong got this for his first few times iirc). Then it'll die down and I imagine he'll average 2-3k, 5k at most as average.
Not too happy about him streaming. Maybe from time to time wouldn't be bad but if he has to stream regularly then it will only hinder his practice. Going the foreigner/eSF route is not the way to go if one wants to win championships.
argh. i really didn't want him to stream practice games. i just hope he doesn't stream too regularly and keeps his best strategies for unstreamed practice times >.>
On June 27 2013 14:17 sage_francis wrote: I really dont like the fact hes gonna stream.
Same. Even though I can say that I am a Flash fan, I prefer him not to stream so he can remain a "mysterious figure" to me and everyone else. Flash will eventually lose fan interest after exposing himself too much to community.
On June 27 2013 14:22 revoN wrote: Not too happy about him streaming. Maybe from time to time wouldn't be bad but if he has to stream regularly then it will only hinder his practice. Going the foreigner/eSF route is not the way to go if one wants to win championships.
Yeah i don't like him streaming either, and i don't like Twitch for this. He can't practice properly when he's streaming. I guess he might be following in the footsteps of the Dong and begin his descent? gj twitch and KT
On June 27 2013 14:22 revoN wrote: Not too happy about him streaming. Maybe from time to time wouldn't be bad but if he has to stream regularly then it will only hinder his practice. Going the foreigner/eSF route is not the way to go if one wants to win championships.
its the best way out of kespa slavery ...
I didn't know slaves got salaries upwards of $150k a year. Pretty sure playing for Prime is the closest thing to slavery in the Korean scene.
Flash needs to get a brand consultant. Streaming and posing for a common gear peddler like Razer is only going to hurt his mystical (and well deserved!) "God" status. Just look at that picture, he looks totally awkward posing with those fugly designs on him. Bleh.
On June 27 2013 11:31 DavoS wrote: They must have offered an ungodly amount of money to get Flash to stream
And to use Razer's keyboards. No offence to razer, their mice product is great (if not count synapse 2.0 crap), but they are far behind in keyboard's war. They don't even have keyboards with mx blacks/reds yet. BW Stealth has browns, so hopefully Flash still can play on it after his Zowie kb which has browns too.
Looking forward to his stream ofc.
I actually don't mind their keyboards but their mouses are incredibly inferior for RTS in my opinion. Huge (palm grip sucks for boxing units), buttons wear out easily, no tactile feedback, no optical sensor (smoothness is more important than dpi in RTS).
Salmosa and Taipan comes close, but they still have crappy buttons, and a bit too big and blocky and don't fit in your hand nicely like the LMO. I think it tries too hard to be ergonomic with all these lines and curves instead of just having a nice flat football shape.
When Razer brings out a simple, small, sturdy mouse like the Zowie Mico or LMO I will change my mind
On June 27 2013 14:22 revoN wrote: Not too happy about him streaming. Maybe from time to time wouldn't be bad but if he has to stream regularly then it will only hinder his practice. Going the foreigner/eSF route is not the way to go if one wants to win championships.
its the best way out of kespa slavery ...
I didn't know slaves got salaries upwards of $150k a year. Pretty sure playing for Prime is the closest thing to slavery in the Korean scene.
You'd be surprised! According to Blatter slaves can earn up to $20 million a year!
On June 27 2013 13:55 BisuDagger wrote: Who cares about watching KT scrubs. SKT rich enough to keep everything in house especially with our sick Nike sponsored Jerseys. My closing thoughts, you can find KT Flash and the gang all on twitch live as they lose in the playoffs and they don't need any sponsors for that to happen. :O
The man has a point. Those nike jerseys...
Where can I search for news when Flash is gonna stream?
Hello I love Flash so very much and thats why I dont want him to stream. He will become a bad player if he streams and since I love Flash more than most people I am willing to pass on the oppurtunity to watch God stream because its obvious streaming will kill him.
Did I mention I love Flash a little bit more than you?
On June 27 2013 16:02 AlgeriaT wrote: Flash needs to get a brand consultant. Streaming and posing for a common gear peddler like Razer is only going to hurt his mystical (and well deserved!) "God" status. Just look at that picture, he looks totally awkward posing with those fugly designs on him. Bleh.
I don't agree with that. He will keep his god status as long as he starts getting big results in tournaments again.
read the whole thing for someone people regard as "god", he's pretty bland zero charisma, no opinions that could "get him in trouble", and, overall, I couldn't get a glimpse of personality. good thing for him and his fans that he plays well I'll keep watching
in topic: his stream will, with no doubt, break the internet razor will get a ton of exposition, so GJ
Not sure what I feel about this. If this was still Broodwar I would've given anything to watch someone like Flash or Jaedong stream. I've only watched Jaedong's stream for like 5 minutes, the massive EG layouts just make me puke and die a little inside.
read the whole thing for someone people regard as "god", he's pretty bland zero charisma, no opinions that could "get him in trouble", and, overall, I couldn't get a glimpse of personality. good thing for him and his fans that he plays well I'll keep watching
in topic: his stream will, with no doubt, break the internet razor will get a ton of exposition, so GJ
Lmao, you deem someone as bland based upon his answers in one interview.
On June 27 2013 12:05 geokilla wrote: Everyone loves Flash, and I can see why as he was pretty much a prodigy and the best in BW, based on what I've read on forums and fanboys. But after reading the following, I just got the biggest impression that he's some Bronze noob who will never succeed in SC2...
Artosis: How do you feel about SCII Terran (versus BW)?
Flash: For me, HotS T is better than WoL T. I think there are improvements to make, for example mech is too weak, and if it is buffed we could have more variety.
Wheat: What would you do to make mech more powerful/to your liking?
Flash: I suggest that tank supply decreases from 3 to 2. I also think tanks should become stronger against Immortals, as they are too weak against them now. Maybe some bio nerfs would help mech too.
Have you played or watched Brood War?
What's wrong with wanting mech to be stronger? Especially if it's a return to the mech of old, and not hellbat-tank deathballs?
On June 27 2013 12:05 geokilla wrote: Everyone loves Flash, and I can see why as he was pretty much a prodigy and the best in BW, based on what I've read on forums and fanboys. But after reading the following, I just got the biggest impression that he's some Bronze noob who will never succeed in SC2...
Artosis: How do you feel about SCII Terran (versus BW)?
Flash: For me, HotS T is better than WoL T. I think there are improvements to make, for example mech is too weak, and if it is buffed we could have more variety.
Wheat: What would you do to make mech more powerful/to your liking?
Flash: I suggest that tank supply decreases from 3 to 2. I also think tanks should become stronger against Immortals, as they are too weak against them now. Maybe some bio nerfs would help mech too.
I really hope this doesn't force KT players to stream too much. Assuming it'll just be streaming ladder games, and knowing that ladder games isn't exactly the best way of practicing.
I'll still tune in, I just don't hope it becomes something very regular.
On June 27 2013 17:46 Nekovivie wrote: By streaming his play hes giving his opponents something to use against him
Hope it doesn't have a negative impact
I am pretty sure, that he won't play the way he plays in tournaments. Artosis said something along the lines of "It will be the best stream you've ever seen, but nothing like tournament play." And I think that will be right; also it will be worth watching just for like the screen movement etc. really looking forward to it.
On June 27 2013 16:01 govie wrote: would be funny if he offraces all streamed matches = terran hearts broken around the world
i'd be much happier with this honestly.
Same, streaming practice isn't optimal if you can afford not to as it gives away lots of information. Even offracing/fun games can give away information if you know what to look for and since streams are first person view it's a lot more valuable then VODs from tournaments. That said I'll be watching his stream for sure unless I'm sleeping at the time
I do understand the concerns, but let us be blunt here, Flash is THE best RTS player of all time (maaaaaaybe a LITTLE biased here, but bear with me), and Fans (like me) want so see more exposure of him. That is what professional sports are all about, becoming great at what you do, go public, make a living off of it.
Yes, there are reasonable concerns that he might be able to do less of his godly training. But guess what, don't count your chicken before they hatch. Maybe he will stream like once a week. That would make it special, so people (like me) would actually stay up all night once a week, just to see him ladder. Maybe he ladders for like 4-5 hours. This is NOT that huge of a time investment, considering his hardcore routine of 14hr/day. He might even do it in his spare time or to "relax", I don't know.
In the end, after what Nietzsche did, he is the only god we have left. So let us give him some credit and trust in his abilities and dedication!
On June 27 2013 17:46 Nekovivie wrote: By streaming his play hes giving his opponents something to use against him
Hope it doesn't have a negative impact
I am pretty sure, that he won't play the way he plays in tournaments. Artosis said something along the lines of "It will be the best stream you've ever seen, but nothing like tournament play." And I think that will be right; also it will be worth watching just for like the screen movement etc. really looking forward to it.
Which means he'll have to waste precious hours of his time for nothing... well not nothing, money, but it won't help his improvement, which is what we Flash fanboys want.
read the whole thing for someone people regard as "god", he's pretty bland zero charisma, no opinions that could "get him in trouble", and, overall, I couldn't get a glimpse of personality. good thing for him and his fans that he plays well I'll keep watching
in topic: his stream will, with no doubt, break the internet razor will get a ton of exposition, so GJ
You seem to be in the wrong place - I think this is what you're looking for.
Flash didnt seem too concerned about streaming affecting his practice, and quite frankly I dont expect him to stream terribly too often. Should be fun ^^.
Wow cannot wait to see him stream, I remember FP stream from the MLG exhibition tournament. Flash accuracy with the mouse was so amazing!! Want to see it again ! I hope I won't miss his stream !
On June 27 2013 17:46 Nekovivie wrote: By streaming his play hes giving his opponents something to use against him
Hope it doesn't have a negative impact
I am pretty sure, that he won't play the way he plays in tournaments. Artosis said something along the lines of "It will be the best stream you've ever seen, but nothing like tournament play." And I think that will be right; also it will be worth watching just for like the screen movement etc. really looking forward to it.
Which means he'll have to waste precious hours of his time for nothing... well not nothing, money, but it won't help his improvement, which is what we Flash fanboys want.
Yeah that is actually so true I didn't think of that. But more exposure is nice too. Still i see your point.
Edit: By the way, I predict that Flash will get a shit ton of viewers at first but after a while his numbers will dwindle down to something under 4k. That's what happened to JD. :s
On June 27 2013 18:45 Incognoto wrote: FLASH WILL BE STREAMING
SO GOOD
Edit: By the way, I predict that Flash will get a shit ton of viewers at first but after a while his numbers will dwindle down to something under 4k. That's what happened to JD. :s
God has steadily increased his followers for over 2000 years. I doubt it is going to stop now, infidel!
On June 27 2013 18:45 Incognoto wrote: FLASH WILL BE STREAMING
SO GOOD
Edit: By the way, I predict that Flash will get a shit ton of viewers at first but after a while his numbers will dwindle down to something under 4k. That's what happened to JD. :s
God has steadily increased his followers for over 2000 years. I doubt it is going to stop now, infidel!
Well sucks to be him I guess, at least he was able to make an way way better product with zowie before the sponsorship endet. I really hate seeing almost every team being sponsored by razer, so even if their products weren't incredibly bad I would still never buy anything from them.
I really hope he doesn't stream too much, maybe like a few hours a month and then only showing his off race, I'd really hate to see him get raped in PL because he streams his fp too much.
On June 27 2013 20:17 DJFaqU wrote: Poor guy, having to use Razer gear. But It's awesome that he'll stream.
I do think it's really annoying that he has to use all of this just becuase they sponsor the team now.
How not when their previous sponsor did manufactor a superior product (anyone who has used a zowie celeritas and any keyboard from razer will be able to confirm this) ?
Id choose Zowie products over razer anyday of the year, and I am not taking into consideration the price tags yet. zowie have much better understanding about quality than razer who focus more on cool product names and catalog pictures etc
On June 27 2013 20:17 DJFaqU wrote: Poor guy, having to use Razer gear. But It's awesome that he'll stream.
I do think it's really annoying that he has to use all of this just becuase they sponsor the team now.
How not when their previous sponsor did manufactor a superior product (anyone who has used a zowie celeritas and any keyboard from razer will be able to confirm this) ?
I have not liked any of the razer headsets. But I've used sennheiser for a while so might just be used to them. The Blackwidow is about as good of a keyboard as you can ask for. I just didn't like the glossy finish on it, also it might take someone like flash a little while to get used to the slightly shifted F keys. I love the goliath mouse pad but once again it might take him awhile to get used to. I am not sure about mouses since I've been happy with my logitech and never tried a razer mouse.
Overall I really doubt the change in gear will take more than a few days to get used to and then will have no effect on the KT player's play.
On June 27 2013 20:17 DJFaqU wrote: Poor guy, having to use Razer gear. But It's awesome that he'll stream.
I do think it's really annoying that he has to use all of this just becuase they sponsor the team now.
How not when their previous sponsor did manufactor a superior product (anyone who has used a zowie celeritas and any keyboard from razer will be able to confirm this) ?
I have not liked any of the razer headsets. But I've used sennheiser for a while so might just be used to them. The Blackwidow is about as good of a keyboard as you can ask for. I just didn't like the glossy finish on it, also it might take someone like flash a little while to get used to the slightly shifted F keys. I love the goliath mouse pad but once again it might take him awhile to get used to. I am not sure about mouses since I've been happy with my logitech and never tried a razer mouse.
Overall I really doubt the change in gear will take more than a few days to get used to and then will have no effect on the KT player's play.
Oh yeah of course, on top of that you will never ever win/loose because of your gear. I'm just saying that the blackwidow is actually kinda bad compared to the zowie celeritas (I have used both quiet a bit and I don't even wanna touch the blackwidow anymore).
I feel like it was silly to announce Razer is sponsoring them. I don't know didn't seem like a big deal too me. At least for them. IF Razer decided to sponsor root that would have been a big deal. The streaming thing is interesting. KESPA players especiailly never stream, and heck even winning korean players don't stream there builds. Like you never see MVP stream. FLash streaming will get 10k easily I bet. But I would expect to see really standard things, nothing crazy or exotic as he will save it for proleague and gsl.
On June 27 2013 20:17 DJFaqU wrote: Poor guy, having to use Razer gear. But It's awesome that he'll stream.
I do think it's really annoying that he has to use all of this just becuase they sponsor the team now.
Like every other professional athlete in the world, ever. I am sure he doesn't really mind that much and in the end, his feedback may result in better products.
It should be fun to see him stream. Glad a Kespa team is getting involved with streaming. I bet they can find a way to have their players stream games but not impact their play overall.
so they will market flash now and Innovation will become the new godlike player. Doubt flash is not aware of what it means to stream for tournament results.
On June 27 2013 22:27 HeeroFX wrote: I feel like it was silly to announce Razer is sponsoring them. I don't know didn't seem like a big deal too me. At least for them. IF Razer decided to sponsor root that would have been a big deal. The streaming thing is interesting. KESPA players especiailly never stream, and heck even winning korean players don't stream there builds. Like you never see MVP stream. FLash streaming will get 10k easily I bet. But I would expect to see really standard things, nothing crazy or exotic as he will save it for proleague and gsl.
Can't agree with you that sponsoring Root would have been a "big[er] deal" than sponsoring KT Rolster or even Flash alone... Not in terms of viewer count, how much the foreign community cares, or the sponsorship's ability to actually sell their product. Knowing that Razer probably only cares about that last part, I'm guessing they're thinking that having a tip top pro like Flash using their gaming products, as opposed to a mid-tier pros like those in Root (no offense guys, I love you), shows that their hardware can be utilized at the top level. That's a question many wannabe gosus need answered because they're looking for any edge they can get. I would say that perhaps fans might go and buy their favorite pros hardware just so they can support them and be like them, but I'm not sure that gamers behave like that. Mice/headset purchases from what I have seen tend to depend on comfort/usability.
Either way, thank you Razer for playing a part in having KT Flash stream! Please convince his other teammates to do so as well!
FLash will break the internet the day he starts streaming. As for this hurting him, don't worry about it. He wont be using his best builds and will likely only be doing it for the fans and to maintain his mechanics.
Definately anticipating 14k viewers for the first stream session. Dendi sometimes has 15k on random days.
Most of all I'm excited to see if we can see any streamed customs with his teammates besides the ladder games. That would distinguish his stream from the rest of what twitch SC2 has to offer.
It would be awesome to get some insight into the Kespa training regimen, but I think that's too much to ask. Most likely the stream sessions will be an hour or two hours long, be on the ladder and be after all the main practice for the day has concluded.
On June 28 2013 02:08 jinorazi wrote: the prototype is out, i can't fucking wait!
hahaha well played. Ill definatly tune in for Flash's stream. I dont mind if he doesnt stream a lot, just seeing him stream once will allow me to die happy.
Man even God himself looks like a huge sellout in all that razer gear. I seriously hope forcing him to stream doesn't screw his practice over too much.
He likely won't be streaming very often, but it would be nice if he had regularly scheduled streaming times so that we could plan to tune in when he does.
Why is everyone so worried about negative effects that streaming will have on Flash? He probably spends a good few hours laddering on his own anyway. And even if all his 10+ hours of practice time was spent playing with in-house teammates (which probably isn't the case, but it is possible), a few hours on Korean ladder would certainly not be the most hindering change to his practice schedule. He'll be fine and we'll get to witness the game through God's eyes. Everybody wins.
lets just hope Razer/twitch made a contract that requires a weekly amount of streaming, not just like 10 hours of streaming in total (although that is what I fear we will get, based on how it sounded with scheduling the first streaming session on the live on 3 show)
On June 28 2013 03:45 Cirqueenflex wrote: lets just hope Razer/twitch made a contract that requires a weekly amount of streaming, not just like 10 hours of streaming in total (although that is what I fear we will get, based on how it sounded with scheduling the first streaming session on the live on 3 show)
You guys are so spoiled already. It's not a given right.
On June 28 2013 03:47 Qwerty85 wrote: Cant wait to see him play in first person view. Although it could probably cause dizziness and headache.
On June 28 2013 03:45 Cirqueenflex wrote: lets just hope Razer/twitch made a contract that requires a weekly amount of streaming, not just like 10 hours of streaming in total (although that is what I fear we will get, based on how it sounded with scheduling the first streaming session on the live on 3 show)
Let's hope they didn't. Streaming effects practice and the last we wanna see is Flash getting worse cause he is forced to stream.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
Reading through the replies, everyone seems to think Flash will show something revolutionary. He won't. It's still sc2 and if you watch any of the other Terran gms on twitch, chances are you already know what you're in for. 99% of players couldn't even tell you the difference if they saw his stream next to demuslim's.
People want something new and exciting. That's all.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
IdrA 2nd most popular sc2-player?
I lol'd.
This will blow your mind, but Destiny once upon a time was in the top 3. popularity isnt always about skill.
actually to be fair, afaik Flash has a huuuge fanbase in china. Is twitch availiable in china?
On June 28 2013 06:50 TRaFFiC wrote: Reading through the replies, everyone seems to think Flash will show something revolutionary. He won't. It's still sc2 and if you watch any of the other Terran gms on twitch, chances are you already know what you're in for. 99% of players couldn't even tell you the difference if they saw his stream next to demuslim's.
People want something new and exciting. That's all.
I watched Innovation plays in 1st person its wayyy on another level than demu, its just too humanly fast.
So, when exactly does the streaming begin and where's the link? Looking forward to it, but until I really actually see HIM playing, there are still some doubts. :p
On June 28 2013 07:29 StarStruck wrote: Streaming is bullshit. I wouldn't base anyone's popularity based on stream numbers alone lmao.
what would you base it on? Your own personal top 10?
Don't put words in my mouth. There is a lot more to it than just streaming.
and i asked you what. And i'm gonna ask you what's your point, since whatever else it is facebook or twitter followers, idra has got it covered. Low stream numbers dont mean much. But high stream numbers mean hell of a lot.
On June 28 2013 07:29 StarStruck wrote: Streaming is bullshit. I wouldn't base anyone's popularity based on stream numbers alone lmao.
what would you base it on? Your own personal top 10?
Don't put words in my mouth. There is a lot more to it than just streaming.
and i asked you what. And i'm gonna ask you what's your point, since whatever else it is facebook or twitter followers, idra has got it covered. Low stream numbers dont mean much. But high stream numbers mean hell of a lot.
No, no they don't because that's only one aspect of the equation. Anywho, I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, which ironically is one of Greg's favorite pass-times and bitching. I guess that's just one reason his fan boys relate to him. See what I did there? -.^
EDIT: noticed you edited your post. So here's the last thing I'm going to say with regards to Greg. He does a lot of other things than just stream constantly and considering you sound like a fan boy of his I'm pretty sure you have a good idea of all his other extra-curricular stuff so let's end it there.
On June 28 2013 07:29 StarStruck wrote: Streaming is bullshit. I wouldn't base anyone's popularity based on stream numbers alone lmao.
what would you base it on? Your own personal top 10?
Don't put words in my mouth. There is a lot more to it than just streaming.
and i asked you what. And i'm gonna ask you what's your point, since whatever else it is facebook or twitter followers, idra has got it covered. Low stream numbers dont mean much. But high stream numbers mean hell of a lot.
No, no they don't because that's only one aspect of the equation. Anywho, I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, which ironically is one of Greg's favorite pass-times and bitching. I guess that's just one reason his fan boys relate to him. See what I did there? -.^
EDIT: noticed you edited your post. So here's the last thing I'm going to say with regards to Greg. He does a lot of other things than just stream constantly and considering you sound like a fan boy of his I'm pretty sure you have a good idea of all his other extra-curricular stuff so let's end it there.
well now that i realize you just dislike idra and talk out of your ass it's pretty clear yea.
On June 28 2013 08:39 jinorazi wrote: i think idra is popular like how jersey shore is popular from my view at least.
that's probably true, but on he still was the best paid SC2 player, and that is pretty much the end of it.
On June 28 2013 07:29 StarStruck wrote: Streaming is bullshit. I wouldn't base anyone's popularity based on stream numbers alone lmao.
what would you base it on? Your own personal top 10?
Don't put words in my mouth. There is a lot more to it than just streaming.
and i asked you what. And i'm gonna ask you what's your point, since whatever else it is facebook or twitter followers, idra has got it covered. Low stream numbers dont mean much. But high stream numbers mean hell of a lot.
No, no they don't because that's only one aspect of the equation. Anywho, I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, which ironically is one of Greg's favorite pass-times and bitching. I guess that's just one reason his fan boys relate to him. See what I did there? -.^
EDIT: noticed you edited your post. So here's the last thing I'm going to say with regards to Greg. He does a lot of other things than just stream constantly and considering you sound like a fan boy of his I'm pretty sure you have a good idea of all his other extra-curricular stuff so let's end it there.
well now that i realize you just dislike idra and talk out of your ass it's pretty clear yea.
Talk out of my ass? You sir are a riot and yeah we're done here. :V
Pure SC2 is boring to watch, even if it's Flash playing. People prefer some human commentary. I guess Stephano's popularity was unique because of his distinctive play-style coupled with good results.
While this is kinda awesome and I looooove watching KeSPA FPVoDs, I really hope he only streams a minimal amount. His main focus should still be private practice with his team and whatever else he does to be the best.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Well I guess that all the Terran streamers are in trouble when it comes to viewers, lol, actually all streamers will be suffering from this heh, When Flash starts streaming, he will literally have every possible viewer watching :-P
Regardless im SO HYPED to see flash stream, this will truly be an amazing experience. Thanks for this
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
I think you are way overestimating that number. As much as I would love being proven wrong, 50k is only a singular dream. Jaedong is every bit iconic as Flash is in the Starcraft world. Even if Flash may be more popular or well known, he will never consistently get 50k. Not to mention Korea generally does not really like SC2 as well as timezone differences. I would guess he will have similar streaming results as JD, perhaps slightly better or even lots better but never close to 50k. I can see him peaking at 25k-30k when he first starts streaming, though. JD's first session could have been better advertised, so I hope Flash's is done better. His stream will probably have similar viewership as Stephano's.
I hope I eat my words, and the whole world tunes in.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Not going to happen. There aren't even 50k people at the same time interested in watching SC2 first person streams. And also he will never enter GOD MODE anymore like his 30 game winning streak in bw proleague, because SC2 is just not as rewarding in skill as bw. However, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
On June 28 2013 06:50 TRaFFiC wrote: Reading through the replies, everyone seems to think Flash will show something revolutionary. He won't. It's still sc2 and if you watch any of the other Terran gms on twitch, chances are you already know what you're in for. 99% of players couldn't even tell you the difference if they saw his stream next to demuslim's.
People want something new and exciting. That's all.
you forget, that flashs decision making is legendary. thats why i will watch his stream
On June 28 2013 06:50 TRaFFiC wrote: Reading through the replies, everyone seems to think Flash will show something revolutionary. He won't. It's still sc2 and if you watch any of the other Terran gms on twitch, chances are you already know what you're in for. 99% of players couldn't even tell you the difference if they saw his stream next to demuslim's.
People want something new and exciting. That's all.
you forget, that flashs decision making is legendary. thats why i will watch his stream
sc2 is less about decisions more about getting a ball of stuff and figuring out what you want in that ball.
I highly doubt that he'll hit close to 50k, but I think it'll definitely be a lot more popular than Jaedong's. Not only because Flash is just a better player than Jaedong, but also because he'll probably stream pretty infrequently, which will draw more viewers the few times he does.
Don't even expect 20k viewers on twitch the first time. People don't really care about watching really good players play, they would prefer seeing IdrA rage while offracing with Terran in diamond or some shit. He could reach like 15k the first few times or if he streams only rarely. Not more than 5k if he streams daily.
rethinking this, i am of the opinion that it will be a "flash" (blablapunblabla). Im sure the very firsts time he will stream, given that there is a proper announcement with "Tune in at (link) at XX EDT YY KST and ZZ CEST" it might very well hit 20 kish upwards because everyone, including doubters/sceptics will tune in.
but afterwards when people calm down, its "just" a really fucking good/fast Terran. The "OMGFLASHSTREAMING" will fade pretty fast...
If they announce the stream in advance, I can see easy 20k figures - it might plataeu a bit at around 10k, but I dont think it'll be anywhere near as "low" as Jaedongs numbers.
It will probably settle at 5k or so simply because its just the game, no talking (probably no keyboard cam/player cam) - thats still really good.
Taeja gets a a lot of viewers and he only plays the game (with a few random team games etc)
On June 28 2013 06:50 TRaFFiC wrote: Reading through the replies, everyone seems to think Flash will show something revolutionary. He won't. It's still sc2 and if you watch any of the other Terran gms on twitch, chances are you already know what you're in for. 99% of players couldn't even tell you the difference if they saw his stream next to demuslim's.
People want something new and exciting. That's all.
you forget, that flashs decision making is legendary. thats why i will watch his stream
sc2 is less about decisions more about getting a ball of stuff and figuring out what you want in that ball.
Let's be honest, it won't take long before IdrA has more viewers than Flash. Especially if Flash streams regularly enough (at least once a week). I don't see why people expect something radically different from what happened to Jaedong's stream.
but seriously. this news is gonna take a while to sink in. i gtg spam all my friends who care, and then spam all my friends who dont care, to make them care.
On June 28 2013 16:37 ZenithM wrote:People don't really care about watching really good players play, they would prefer seeing IdrA rage while offracing with Terran in diamond or some shit.
On June 28 2013 20:15 figq wrote: Let's be honest, it won't take long before IdrA has more viewers than Flash. Especially if Flash streams regularly enough (at least once a week). I don't see why people expect something radically different from what happened to Jaedong's stream.
Actually a lot of expected what happened to JD's stream. I gave it a month (actually I gave it several weeks) and I wasn't far off, but that's beside the point. There are a lot of other things to appeal to the masses besides streaming.
Expected announcement. Glad that we will able to see him streaming and play in more foreign events tho. Flash is always amazing to watch. Just hoping that any of this will affect his training/performance, wanna see flash in "god mode" asap!!
Glad to see this. Hopefully this will pave the way for more and more kespa players to stream. I think this is an important step for them. Gaming is here to stay and the ones that get their name out there through sponsors and streams will have an advantage imo. Good luck KT!
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
I think you are way overestimating that number. As much as I would love being proven wrong, 50k is only a singular dream. Jaedong is every bit iconic as Flash is in the Starcraft world. Even if Flash may be more popular or well known, he will never consistently get 50k. Not to mention Korea generally does not really like SC2 as well as timezone differences. I would guess he will have similar streaming results as JD, perhaps slightly better or even lots better but never close to 50k. I can see him peaking at 25k-30k when he first starts streaming, though. JD's first session could have been better advertised, so I hope Flash's is done better. His stream will probably have similar viewership as Stephano's.
I hope I eat my words, and the whole world tunes in.
Pretty much this, i laughed at the +50k prediction though, it's totally unrealistic, not even top LoL streamers can pull those numbers.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
except people who didn't follow brood war competitively (most people) have no clue who he is. this idea that people who have superior skill get better numbers is just ridiculous. maybe that's what YOU prize when you're watching a stream, but not the general population.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
except people who didn't follow brood war competitively (most people) have no clue who he is. this idea that people who have superior skill get better numbers is just ridiculous. maybe that's what YOU prize when you're watching a stream, but not the general population.
Unless you followed Brood War competitively you don't know who Flash is? What?
On June 27 2013 10:43 xgtx wrote: So what razer product does he use now? He said he tested it and they were great. Mouse+Keyboard?
Who cares ? It won't make you a better player...
People care, just to mention one example I've seen one guy on twitch ask every streamer on twitch what dpi he uses, and he's been doing it for at least 2 years. Stuff like this is religion to some.
I was under the impression that most pros don't like streaming as it distracts from their regular practices and they don't really like to reveal stuff they are working on to the public (and obviously to their opponents).
On August 15 2013 00:20 e4e5nf3 wrote: I was under the impression that most pros don't like streaming as it distracts from their regular practices and they don't really like to reveal stuff they are working on to the public (and obviously to their opponents).
I guess he can proxy 2 rax all afternoon just for lolz :D
On June 27 2013 10:43 xgtx wrote: So what razer product does he use now? He said he tested it and they were great. Mouse+Keyboard?
Who cares ? It won't make you a better player...
If people wanna feel like flash with his gear, let them :p
Yeah but thing is, lately razer's gears have been kind of + Show Spoiler +
"fragile"
and it's coming from a lot of witnesses (including me as i'm also the owner of 2 deathadder and a abyssus, which both broke on me after only 6 months of use...). The razer's mousepad is good though. Cheap and pretty solid. We can't ask for more.
i'm still waiting for him to stream. Its been some time since the news was written already,they sure take their time and with proleague over flash has some free time.
I thought he would stream after proleague was done and he had some downtime before next tournament. Looks like I was wrong and once wcs starts up again, he'll be too busy to stream and needs to hide his strats again.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
He already started streaming? You seem to be the only person who has seen or heard of that happening. You say that 'allegedly' his team told him to stop streaming; according to who?
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
He already started streaming? You seem to be the only person who has seen or heard of that happening. You say that 'allegedly' his team told him to stop streaming; according to who?
It was after his loss to Puzzle, trying to find what tournament/event that was in.
It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
He already started streaming? You seem to be the only person who has seen or heard of that happening. You say that 'allegedly' his team told him to stop streaming; according to who?
It was after his loss to Puzzle, trying to find what tournament/event that was in.
You're confused. He wasn't streaming personally in the IEM shanghai qualifiers.. The official casters were streaming his matches and KT told them to stop. Carmac explained that it was a unique case and they would normally never let a team dictate whether tournament organizers can stream a players matches or not.
On August 07 2013 14:15 Traceback wrote: An update on this would be nice.
This is almost worse than an announcement of an announcement.
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
He already started streaming? You seem to be the only person who has seen or heard of that happening. You say that 'allegedly' his team told him to stop streaming; according to who?
It was after his loss to Puzzle, trying to find what tournament/event that was in.
KT asked IEM to not broadcast the 2nd game between Puzzle and Flash, and the third game.
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
Yup he's got 800 WCS points currently so he is kinda boned unless he steps it up in his secret training. Right now ForGG is at 1925 WCS points in 16th and stephano has 2025 WCS points in 15th. However, stephano is retiring and won't be attending blizzcon so ForGG will move to 15th and TLO with 1900 WCS points moves into 16th. You get 1500 for winning a regional finals points and 3000 for winning the season global finals.
On August 15 2013 02:42 renaissanceMAN wrote: [quote]
I believe KT stepped in and put a stop to this after FlaSh lost to Puzzle (or was it Arthur?). They didn't want people memorizing his strats.
That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
He already started streaming? You seem to be the only person who has seen or heard of that happening. You say that 'allegedly' his team told him to stop streaming; according to who?
It was after his loss to Puzzle, trying to find what tournament/event that was in.
You're confused. He wasn't streaming personally in the IEM shanghai qualifiers.. The official casters were streaming his matches and KT told them to stop. Carmac explained that it was a unique case and they would normally never let a team dictate whether tournament organizers can stream a players matches or not.
Ok, I am confused then. Why'd KT tell them to stop? What was the problem?
I feel like there was something said related to this regarding his personal stream though too.
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
Yup he's got 800 WCS points currently so he is kinda boned unless he steps it up in his secret training. Right now ForGG is at 1925 WCS points in 16th and stephano has 2025 WCS points in 15th. However, stephano is retiring and won't be attending blizzcon so ForGG will move to 15th and TLO with 1900 WCS points moves into 16th. You get 1500 for winning a regional finals points and 3000 for winning the season global finals.
On August 15 2013 02:50 Zenbrez wrote: [quote] That's quite the speculation.
I thought it was confirmed at some point by an article, but I'm too lazy to go and dig it up. Hard to devise your own strats when you're god and everyone wants to watch.
I have not heard of such an article, and it would not make sense for KT, business wise, to make an announcement like that and then simply not follow through.
When your best player, and arguably one of the best players in the world loses and you believe the reason is because he's broadcasting his strategies on the air for free, what would you do? Flash brings much more to KT than Razer does to Flash/KT. KT (with all respect to Razer) doesn't need Razer whatsoever.
They have no reason to believe that though, as he never even started streaming. Secondly, they made a deal with razer/twitch to start these streams ( Flash and a KT team stream); by not following through with that deal they could potentially lose the sponsorship (money), and make future sponsors less likely to want to deal with them.
He did start streaming though, then, allegedly, KT told him to stop.
He already started streaming? You seem to be the only person who has seen or heard of that happening. You say that 'allegedly' his team told him to stop streaming; according to who?
It was after his loss to Puzzle, trying to find what tournament/event that was in.
You're confused. He wasn't streaming personally in the IEM shanghai qualifiers.. The official casters were streaming his matches and KT told them to stop. Carmac explained that it was a unique case and they would normally never let a team dictate whether tournament organizers can stream a players matches or not.
Ok, I am confused then. Why'd KT tell them to stop? What was the problem?
I feel like there was something said related to this regarding his personal stream though too.
There was nothing regarding his personal stream.
KT asked them to stop because they had Proleague Playoffs the following week
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
Yup he's got 800 WCS points currently so he is kinda boned unless he steps it up in his secret training. Right now ForGG is at 1925 WCS points in 16th and stephano has 2025 WCS points in 15th. However, stephano is retiring and won't be attending blizzcon so ForGG will move to 15th and TLO with 1900 WCS points moves into 16th. You get 1500 for winning a regional finals points and 3000 for winning the season global finals.
...So what you're saying is...he has a chance? :D
He has a chance in that he COULD make it, but it's really not probable
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
3500 points or so should do for top 16, and he has 800 right now. Winning GSL and the S3 finals would give him a total of 5300. Plus he might go to IEM New York or Dreamhack Bucharest and there's more points there. So say he got top 4 in GSL, top 4 in the S3 finals, and got second at IEM or Dreamhack, that would put him right at 3500. Certainly doable.
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
3500 points or so should do for top 16, and he has 800 right now. Winning GSL and the S3 finals would give him a total of 5300. Plus he might go to IEM New York or Dreamhack Bucharest and there's more points there. So say he got top 4 in GSL, top 4 in the S3 finals, and got second at IEM or Dreamhack, that would put him right at 3500. Certainly doable.
This system sucks so hard, lol.
I mean, top8 GSL players could've easily come and stomp pretty much any other WCS(which is happening at season finals anyways). Well, Blizzard want to have their own way of doing business.
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
3500 points or so should do for top 16, and he has 800 right now. Winning GSL and the S3 finals would give him a total of 5300. Plus he might go to IEM New York or Dreamhack Bucharest and there's more points there. So say he got top 4 in GSL, top 4 in the S3 finals, and got second at IEM or Dreamhack, that would put him right at 3500. Certainly doable.
On August 15 2013 04:56 LimeNade wrote: It was all PR to get people to watch the interview he did and buy razer products!!! I highly doubt we'll see him stream anytime soon if ever with WCS constantly going on. He still has to work his ass off if he wants to have a chance to make the end of year global finals at blizzcon
Ehm, i believe he needs to win both Code S and S3 finals to have a shot at getting to top 16 now, no? He even needs to place high in couple of other tournaments i think.
3500 points or so should do for top 16, and he has 800 right now. Winning GSL and the S3 finals would give him a total of 5300. Plus he might go to IEM New York or Dreamhack Bucharest and there's more points there. So say he got top 4 in GSL, top 4 in the S3 finals, and got second at IEM or Dreamhack, that would put him right at 3500. Certainly doable.
This system sucks so hard, lol.
I mean, top8 GSL players could've easily come and stomp pretty much any other WCS(which is happening at season finals anyways). Well, Blizzard want to have their own way of doing business.
Well, some of the Top 8 GSL players attended the Season 2 finals, and got smashed by WCS America so I don't know how much stomping would occur.
You guys really think he won't make it to Top 16 :s? I don't know why but I think Flash will make it to Blizzcon Finals and make top 4, with the JAEDONG on his side, and probably JD taking 1st place , BW players still have the practice habits, making them top contenders in my book . We will probably see some new Flash builds this Code S and some pretty interesting play as well
On August 28 2013 07:01 Dodgin wrote: So how about that Flash stream
I say a Nu! ;9 Honestly I don't want players overdoing it with such things. Sometimes keeping some mystique is desirable.
I also think a strong part of his game, and a lot of the guys who win don't stream because they want to keep there style secret. Like if you knew flash was in your group and he streamed, I would totally look at those vods haha. I do enjoy watching SC II streams, but a lot it is more for entertainment now than anything.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
LoL is a lot more popular than SC2. SC2 is pretty nichey these days.
It will be just like Jaedong's, his very first session will pull 15k+ viewers, later on his average will be below of stephano numbers.
Right now the only streamers that can pull 20k+ on a regular basis are top LoL players and Dendi, as babylon said, SC2 is a niche genre and not nearly as popular as it used to be.
I guess Flash will peak 15k as JD did and then go down to 1-4k in rare days.
As babylon said, SC2 is quite nichey these days and HotS was supposed to revive it. #success...not @DDie DreadiSbaCk and Sing_sing also get that many. Sing_sing is expected but I guess Dread is quite popular with the russian community
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
LoL is a lot more popular than SC2. SC2 is pretty nichey these days.
Almost 200k viewers this weekend is not really "nichey" but yea it's smaller than LoL.
On August 28 2013 07:01 Dodgin wrote: So how about that Flash stream
I say a Nu! ;9 Honestly I don't want players overdoing it with such things. Sometimes keeping some mystique is desirable.
I also think a strong part of his game, and a lot of the guys who win don't stream because they want to keep there style secret. Like if you knew flash was in your group and he streamed, I would totally look at those vods haha. I do enjoy watching SC II streams, but a lot it is more for entertainment now than anything.
Flash's play style isn't really a secret though (not to say players don't want certain things getting out there). Let's say players had a choice to stream in 06-10 or whatever even if players were to get info from a Flash stream there's not much they would do with it. What do I mean when I say that? Flash is well studied; players know what to expect from him the real question back then was whether or not you could actually stop it. There have been plenty of times I've went, "what the hell man, why don't you just do this and this?" and you know what those players would probably say to me? "Sure, but you're forgetting one thing. I was playing against Flash and I didn't really have time to think that through because once he hit 190 I had too much pressure." Thank God Dear broke the streak and what do you know, he deployed one of the strats I would have used. There have been many times where you think Flash would have lost but he causes a lot of players to have brain freezes. Anyway, you guys all have a time now for the Stream. Enjoy it.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
LoL is a lot more popular than SC2. SC2 is pretty nichey these days.
Almost 200k viewers this weekend is not really "nichey" but yea it's smaller than LoL.
On June 27 2013 10:16 SupLilSon wrote: Wow so Flash will stream on twitch? I wonder how many viewers there will be... at least 20k hopefully.
10k, at best.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
LoL is a lot more popular than SC2. SC2 is pretty nichey these days.
Almost 200k viewers this weekend is not really "nichey" but yea it's smaller than LoL.
Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
LoL is a lot more popular than SC2. SC2 is pretty nichey these days.
Almost 200k viewers this weekend is not really "nichey" but yea it's smaller than LoL.
oO what had almost 200k viewers
They're counting kor/cn viewers in addition to all the twitch ones
On August 29 2013 06:49 Zenbrez wrote: *announced hes going to stream 2 months ago* "well I got my code S match next week, now's as good a time as ever"
Probably will leave a gap in his scouting and hope someone proxies there.
There is no way this is going to live up to the hype. He's gonna be late and the stream is gonna lag and he's going to play either offrace or against low leagues. Having said that... I'm still gonna stay up till 4 am
On June 28 2013 04:29 TsGBruzze wrote: [quote] Yes sadly... but i would watch every second of it...
IdrA has 10k viewers RIGHT NOW.
If Flash's stream is announced a few days beforehand so that everyone knows exactly when to sit their asses down in front of their computer to watch Flash show the world how he plays the game we all love, I am sure that his stream will hit very high numbers, if not reach new sc2-related records when it comes to personal streams.
On other subjects: I really hope he only streams once or twice. For one, the amount of viewers will diminish the more he streams and it might hurt his regular practice. We can't know for sure though, but I really hope he doesn't stream much.
idra is the 2nd most popular sc2 player. Jaedong would be a good indicator, he started at like what 12-15k but nowadays at about 3k? I dont see why flash would be any different.
At Flash's level, depending on frequency and length of the sessions, I think even a regular 50k+ viewers is possible . We have to consider the viewers from Korea(deal exclusive to Razer/Twitch AFAIK) and other parts of the world too. We are talking about the legendary Flash live streaming his practice FPVOD for the first time in history, now that's got to mean something every SC fans in the world!
And if he happens to enter GOD MODE in SC2 during this streaming deal...gosh $_$. Just hope Twitch can withstand the bandwidth.
Dude, even the top LoL streamers struggle to get 30k viewers.. its not that easy man
Wait, have you really just compared LoL streamers to Flash? :D
LoL is a lot more popular than SC2. SC2 is pretty nichey these days.
Almost 200k viewers this weekend is not really "nichey" but yea it's smaller than LoL.
oO what had almost 200k viewers
They're counting kor/cn viewers in addition to all the twitch ones
Which isn't all impressive if we include Dota2/LoL numbers but ok. :l
I feel if he did this at the start of HotS the viewers would be incredible because after beating Innovation at MLG he was considered not just one of the best Terran's but one of the best SC2 players and add to that the HotS hype. It's also a terrible time for Europeans (4AM) which seem to give more viewers on Twitch.
Everyone keeps saying he wont "show his builds".... Does flash seem like a build order player to you guys? He just plays as greedy as he possibly can (cc first, triple cc etc) and then defends and then crushes you with his mechanics. I don't think he has too many crazy builds to even hide.
On August 29 2013 10:37 Windexlol wrote: Everyone keeps saying he wont "show his builds".... Does flash seem like a build order player to you guys? He just plays as greedy as he possibly can (cc first, triple cc etc) and then defends and then crushes you with his mechanics. I don't think he has too many crazy builds to even hide.
I can't speak for his SC2 career but Flash was extremely meticulous and innovative in crafting build orders in BW.
On August 29 2013 10:37 Windexlol wrote: Everyone keeps saying he wont "show his builds".... Does flash seem like a build order player to you guys? He just plays as greedy as he possibly can (cc first, triple cc etc) and then defends and then crushes you with his mechanics. I don't think he has too many crazy builds to even hide.
It's not about builds. It's play style, the subtleties that make Flash different from other people that progamers can pinpoint and exploit.
On August 29 2013 10:37 Windexlol wrote: Everyone keeps saying he wont "show his builds".... Does flash seem like a build order player to you guys? He just plays as greedy as he possibly can (cc first, triple cc etc) and then defends and then crushes you with his mechanics. I don't think he has too many crazy builds to even hide.
It's not about builds. It's play style, the subtleties that make Flash different from other people that progamers can pinpoint and exploit.
They know his playstyle from his many sc2 games. In his streaming he will probably play pretty standard and some cheese, but he definitely won't show anything new obviously which I imagine no one expects. I would expect everyone to expect extremely standard play and nothing more.
I am just curious if he will get as many as jaedong did (15k) or higher. If he streams a decent amount (which I doubt he will) his viewership would probably drop to same as jaedongs 2-4k.
On August 29 2013 10:37 Windexlol wrote: Everyone keeps saying he wont "show his builds".... Does flash seem like a build order player to you guys? He just plays as greedy as he possibly can (cc first, triple cc etc) and then defends and then crushes you with his mechanics. I don't think he has too many crazy builds to even hide.
seems like he would be able to just screw around on stream for show but it's entirely possible we something new and innovative this code s
On August 29 2013 10:58 purakushi wrote: inb4 his stream looks like any other upper tier SC2 Terran stream.
He should play BW.
I was just thinking that they could probably just pass off this task to a KT B-teamer, and most viewers wouldn't notice the difference if there's no identifying feature (e.g. webcam). And if his macro slips, it could be passed off as "He's obviously just screwing around." Hahaha.
On August 29 2013 10:58 purakushi wrote: inb4 his stream looks like any other upper tier SC2 Terran stream.
He should play BW.
I was just thinking that they could probably just pass off this task to a KT B-teamer, and most viewers wouldn't notice the difference if there's no identifying feature (e.g. webcam). And if his macro slips, it could be passed off as "He's obviously just screwing around." Hahaha.
EDIT: OH. BUT THERE IS A WEBCAM.
Yeah, SC2 has too low of a skillcap to really differentiate between the top pros. sigh
Is it just me or is he not that fast? I expected my head to hurt. Jaedong's stream is FAST. I've seen falsh's bw fp vods and my eyes could barely keep up. Maybe its just cause its 9 min into the game... and nothings really going up. I wanted insane speed.
On August 29 2013 11:39 Kal_rA wrote: Is it just me or is he not that fast? I expected my head to hurt. Jaedong's stream is FAST. I've seen falsh's bw fp vods and my eyes could barely keep up. Maybe its just cause its 9 min into the game... and nothings really going up. I wanted insane speed.
Hes all about the effective apm. Doesn;t spam or anything. Guy can split real fast though
On August 29 2013 11:39 Kal_rA wrote: Is it just me or is he not that fast? I expected my head to hurt. Jaedong's stream is FAST. I've seen falsh's bw fp vods and my eyes could barely keep up. Maybe its just cause its 9 min into the game... and nothings really going up. I wanted insane speed.
Hes all about the effective apm. Doesn;t spam or anything. Guy can split real fast though
Yeah I guess.. its just a little underwhelming.. Hilarious seeing the twitch chat going all 'dat apm doe' when its just really effective instead of fast. I wanna see Bisu stream ^.^
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
Well, all those actions also require slinging the camera around quite a bit, so even if you're watching equal APM Terran and Zerg, the Zerg will look faster/more active.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
yes that is true
but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons
at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
On August 29 2013 11:39 Kal_rA wrote: Is it just me or is he not that fast? I expected my head to hurt. Jaedong's stream is FAST. I've seen falsh's bw fp vods and my eyes could barely keep up. Maybe its just cause its 9 min into the game... and nothings really going up. I wanted insane speed.
Hes all about the effective apm. Doesn;t spam or anything. Guy can split real fast though
Yeah I guess.. its just a little underwhelming.. Hilarious seeing the twitch chat going all 'dat apm doe' when its just really effective instead of fast. I wanna see Bisu stream ^.^
It's SC2... of course it's underwhelming.
All upper tier pros will look the same. Skill cap is too low to differentiate.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
yes that is true
but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons
at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races
If you are using the in game apm calc, it is inflated for Z.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
oh please, really?
See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
yes that is true
but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons
at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races
If you are using the in game apm calc, it is inflated for Z.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
oh please, really?
Maybe he means morphing eggs? lol else it doesn't make much sense, cause every race does that I hope.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
oh please, really?
See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey
...and how is that better than going going back to your rally point and shift selecting your new units? Hint: it's not
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
oh please, really?
See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey
...and how is that better than going going back to your rally point and shift selecting your new units? Hint: it's not
I never said its better? Its requires more apm, which is my point
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
oh please, really?
See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
yes that is true
but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons
at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races
If you are using the in game apm calc, it is inflated for Z.
SC2gears
Stephano was never a particularly fast player. He just played more intelligently than most.
he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
oh please, really?
See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey
...and how is that better than going going back to your rally point and shift selecting your new units? Hint: it's not
I never said its better? Its requires more apm, which is my point
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote: he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
Flash is also in Masters. :O The spread of top-tier players goes from Masters all the way up to GM, depending on how often they ladder.
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote: he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
GM hasn't started yet due to the new season, all these accounts he's playing have been GM in the past.
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote: he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
Flash is also in Masters. :O The spread of top-tier players goes from Masters all the way up to GM, depending on how often they ladder.
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote: he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
GM hasn't started yet due to the new season, all these accounts he's playing have been GM in the past.
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote: he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
Flash is also in Masters. :O The spread of top-tier players goes from Masters all the way up to GM, depending on how often they ladder.
It's a team shared account. Also, GM is not open, yet.
On August 29 2013 12:03 Havik_ wrote: He must be using custom hotkeys. The setup he's using now is completely inefficient and illogical if we take them at face value.
If i had a dollar for every time this was brought up, I'd be pretty rich.
On August 29 2013 12:03 Havik_ wrote: He must be using custom hotkeys. The setup he's using now is completely inefficient and illogical if we take them at face value.
I can only presume that the current custom hotkeys he is using is based on how BW history which means that it's more efficient for him than using the default hotkeys. Flash rocks! lol
On August 29 2013 12:03 Havik_ wrote: He must be using custom hotkeys. The setup he's using now is completely inefficient and illogical if we take them at face value.
I can only presume that the current custom hotkeys he is using is based on how BW history which means that it's more efficient for him than using the default hotkeys. Flash rocks! lol
i'm pretty sure he just rebound the keys so they appears odd. they've shown his hotkeys in gsl/proleague and they're pretty normal.
Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
It's 5am in Europe. It won't reach JD's numbers because of that for sure.
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
It's 5am in Europe. It won't reach JD's numbers because of that for sure.
Welp, that would do it.
I just realized that my "too early to tell" could be taken very literally for EU. -__-
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
If he streams at a better time for EU he might.
Dunno jaedong started streaming at the same time as flash did today (when he first streamed) and jaedong got 15k, this was during WoL to.
I think the difference though is jaedong was the first of the big bw names to stream is why he got more, but who knows. Doesn't look like he'll hit as high as jaedong did his first time. But no shame in that, jaedong is one sexy mofo
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
If he streams at a better time for EU he might.
Dunno jaedong started streaming at the same time as flash did today (when he first streamed) and jaedong got 15k, this was during WoL to.
I think the difference though is jaedong was the first of the big bw names to stream is why he got more, but who knows. Doesn't look like he'll hit as high as jaedong did his first time. But no shame in that, jaedong is one sexy mofo
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
If he streams at a better time for EU he might.
Dunno jaedong started streaming at the same time as flash did today (when he first streamed) and jaedong got 15k, this was during WoL to.
I think the difference though is jaedong was the first of the big bw names to stream is why he got more, but who knows. Doesn't look like he'll hit as high as jaedong did his first time. But no shame in that, jaedong is one sexy mofo
Iirc JD's one of the most popular BW legends while Flash is one of the least popular of that exclusive club.
On August 29 2013 12:17 babylon wrote: Viewers have been hovering around 10k for a while now. When last I checked it'd been 10.5k, so #'s dropped a tiny bit since then. I don't think he'll hit JD's numbers, but I guess it's too early to tell.
If he streams at a better time for EU he might.
Dunno jaedong started streaming at the same time as flash did today (when he first streamed) and jaedong got 15k, this was during WoL to.
I think the difference though is jaedong was the first of the big bw names to stream is why he got more, but who knows. Doesn't look like he'll hit as high as jaedong did his first time. But no shame in that, jaedong is one sexy mofo
JD had the big EG hype machine to help that out as well, still fun to see if he can beat it.
On August 29 2013 12:26 Havik_ wrote: Views aren't as high because JD did it first. Speaking of Jaedong, that's probably who he's playing against right now. Him or Soulkey
On August 29 2013 12:51 Shellshock1122 wrote: I know barcodes are important to the progamers because of anonymity but I wish I knew who he was playing against :/
Every Zerg is Soulkey, that's the only explanation for Flash losing TvZ games. TL told me It's imbalanced and Zerg can't win.
Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
I think the viewership drop is because you can't open the stream if you closed it, twitch is down or something.
But yeah It's already starting to lose its novelty for me.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
Wow, people can't watch sc2 all day. what a shocker. totally mind-blowing.
1) God destroyed twitch with his arrival. 2) Are those really God's current hotkeys? Or did he modify them to mess with people? Really weird setup and I doubt he messed with them just to throw people off.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
Wow, people can't watch sc2 all day. what a shocker. totally mind-blowing.
On August 29 2013 12:56 Havik_ wrote: Once the novelty goes away, you realize that its just another really good Korean Terran streaming. Its still Flash, so he wont miss depots and all that, but its stuff people have seen before. That's why viewership has dropped by 3k and is continuing to fall.
Wow, people can't watch sc2 all day. what a shocker. totally mind-blowing.
On August 29 2013 13:14 Daray wrote: Dis zerg is good :O
There are plenty of good players in Korea, even zergs. Also, we do not really know whom he plays, right?
I was implying that his opponent seemed like a formidable player even if we will never know whom he was. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, could you be more specific?
If it helps to ease your mind, from now on i wont comment on the skill level of these players, that's a promise!
On August 29 2013 13:14 Daray wrote: Dis zerg is good :O
There are plenty of good players in Korea, even zergs. Also, we do not really know whom he plays, right?
I was implying that his opponent seemed like a formidable player even if we will never know whom he was. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, could you be more specific?
If it helps to ease your mind, from now on i wont comment on the skill level of these players, that's a promise!
foking internets
All I meant is that meeting formidable opponent on ladder is nothing special.
All this hype about Flash is shocking, he isn't GOD anymore, other streamers who dont even get many viewers but could prob beat Flash and they get nothing compared to others, STGolden being one of them
On August 29 2013 14:19 Batiste wrote: All this hype about Flash is shocking, he isn't GOD anymore, other streamers who dont even get many viewers but could prob beat Flash and they get nothing compared to others, STGolden being one of them
Lol I thought maybe you had a valid point until I read STGolden... Flash is a Code S player STGolden is a... nothing? Sorry, but while Flash isn't "god" anymore, he certainly would crush someone like Golden.
On August 29 2013 14:19 Batiste wrote: All this hype about Flash is shocking, he isn't GOD anymore, other streamers who dont even get many viewers but could prob beat Flash and they get nothing compared to others, STGolden being one of them
It's the mystique that people buy into man. Just look at what happened with Jaedong. Limit your streaming to keep the aura. ;o
On August 29 2013 14:19 Batiste wrote: All this hype about Flash is shocking, he isn't GOD anymore, other streamers who dont even get many viewers but could prob beat Flash and they get nothing compared to others, STGolden being one of them
It's the mystique that people buy into man. Just look at what happened with Jaedong. Limit your streaming to keep the aura. ;o
What happened to Jaedong? Well, he got 2nd in the most prestigious tournament in SC2 just a week ago.
On August 29 2013 14:19 Batiste wrote: All this hype about Flash is shocking, he isn't GOD anymore, other streamers who dont even get many viewers but could prob beat Flash and they get nothing compared to others, STGolden being one of them
It's the mystique that people buy into man. Just look at what happened with Jaedong. Limit your streaming to keep the aura. ;o
What happened to Jaedong? Well, he got 2nd in the most prestigious tournament in SC2 just a week ago.
This is odd, usually I don't like talking about stream numbers but in this case this is what I meant and yeah I'm not fond of streaming a whole lot either because I don't find it to be good practice.
On August 29 2013 14:36 tuho12345 wrote: He didn't play to his full skill, lost too many games and he didn't bother to micro at all
Told you guys not to take a whole lot out of it to begin with.
Why are people always asking for stream numbers...? I think it is great that Flash, Jaedong etc are streaming. If you want high numbers go watch Athene or LoL Streams. That streams are boring as hell but get high numbers.
On August 29 2013 14:36 tuho12345 wrote: He didn't play to his full skill, lost too many games and he didn't bother to micro at all
hmm I dunno. I mean yes, he could've played better but his splits were insane at times and his multitasking/macro was pretty amazing. He did look tired though or that he didn't want to play.
Clearly whoever set up his stream was an IDIOT and just left everything on default settings. I mean, come on...1080p at only 1000 bitrate CBR? I just hope they didn't try to make him stream with monitor capture holy hell.
I think it was a bad time to start to stream.. It's extremly early for europeans.. I am not waking up at 5 in the morning to see a stream even if its Flash.. They should find a better time that is more suitable for europeans and americans.. Then I think he will get more than the numbers he had now.
On August 29 2013 15:46 AyaaLa wrote: I think it was a bad time to start to stream.. It's extremly early for europeans.. I am not waking up at 5 in the morning to see a stream even if its Flash.. They should find a better time that is more suitable for europeans and americans.. Then I think he will get more than the numbers he had now.
I think there are much more Europeans watching SC2 than Americans and even Koreans on twitch. This was a horrible time to stream in EU 3-4AM. The only tournament that reaches 100k+ viewers is WCS EU.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
JD def was very fast and I have seen him play fast than 350 apm in bw lots of times. Where did you get that from anyway?
Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
On August 29 2013 14:50 cutler wrote: Wonderful stream! Thank you for the VOD.
Why are people always asking for stream numbers...? I think it is great that Flash, Jaedong etc are streaming. If you want high numbers go watch Athene or LoL Streams. That streams are boring as hell but get high numbers.
Actually quite the opposite, Flash's stream was boring and because of this got low numbers.
Streamers need to be held to a higher entertainment standard. We shouldn't be praying for these high quality skilled player streams, we should be happy when they come around watch them for what they are, and go back to the entertaining streamers.
I don't think LoL is as entertaining a game to watch, but it's certainly infinitely easier to commentate while playing and to learn from or to just have fun doing silly crap while playing.
Obviously boring/exciting are dependent on the viewer, but it's considerably more interesting for someone like me to watch someone like Stephano or Idra play because of what they can do outside the game rather than inside. If I want to watch amazing play I can watch any number of pro Korean players stream similar starcraft 2 skill. If I want to be entertained (interaction with chat, comedy, emotion, etc) I can watch any number of less skilled players playing any game that makes them happy.
I'm glad Flash streamed if for no other reason than I think that it proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that name recognition and superstar status alone do not mean you can boot up a stream and simply wreck the streaming competition. Streamers need to do more to put them head and shoulders above the crowd, and honestly I don't feel like Starcraft 2 has gameplay that allows them to do that. Frankly I think the best way to raise numbers of an SC2 stream would be to stream practice sessions, which totally destroys the secrecy. I guess pros will just have to decide what's more important, money from tournaments or money from streams :-/
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
I'm not surprised that he 'only' hit 11k viewers with the lack of viewability for Europeans. If he streams again at a prime time Europe time (+watchable for America) I think he could get some incredible numbers.
On August 29 2013 20:56 Hollandrock wrote: I'm not surprised that he 'only' hit 11k viewers with the lack of viewability for Europeans. If he streams again at a prime time Europe time (+watchable for America) I think he could get some incredible numbers.
Flash will not wake up midnight just to stream for those useless viewers!
Enjoyed his stream last night, it's nice to see his Terran macro in regular games that we normally see when he plays in tournaments.
I worry that his stream numbers if he continues though will be average at best like Jaedong's, as the hype dies over time down similar to when Jaedong started last year up to now. Ugh I wish they eventually could make efforts to speak and/or interact on stream (easier said than done ofc with language barriers)
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
Don't forget about July. He clocked in 800 apm on one televised game if I remember correctly.
On August 29 2013 22:33 sacrilegious wrote: Enjoyed his stream last night, it's nice to see his Terran macro in regular games that we normally see when he plays in tournaments.
I worry that his stream numbers if he continues though will be average at best like Jaedong's, as the hype dies over time down similar to when Jaedong started last year up to now. Ugh I wish they eventually could make efforts to speak and/or interact on stream (easier said than done ofc with language barriers)
It's also very distracting to speak and one of the reasons most foreigners don't improve.
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
On August 29 2013 14:36 tuho12345 wrote: He didn't play to his full skill, lost too many games and he didn't bother to micro at all
hmm I dunno. I mean yes, he could've played better but his splits were insane at times and his multitasking/macro was pretty amazing. He did look tired though or that he didn't want to play.
He did random 2 base timings and used WM/hellbat drops/proxy mass reaper in TvZ, you really think he's going to do that in a real match?
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
I hope you guys aren't comparing BW apm to Sc2 apm. The tabulation is different.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
I hope you guys aren't comparing BW apm to Sc2 apm. The tabulation is different.
Were not BW APM counting in real time, while SC2's one is still in-game time, no? If so, then 300 SC2 APM = 400 BW APM.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
I hope you guys aren't comparing BW apm to Sc2 apm. The tabulation is different.
Were not BW APM counting in real time, while SC2's one is still in-game time, no? If so, then 300 SC2 APM = 400 BW APM.
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
I hope you guys aren't comparing BW apm to Sc2 apm. The tabulation is different.
Were not BW APM counting in real time, while SC2's one is still in-game time, no? If so, then 300 SC2 APM = 400 BW APM.
Something like that.
Also I think he's talking about by.Hero not Liquid.Hero?
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
I hope you guys aren't comparing BW apm to Sc2 apm. The tabulation is different.
Were not BW APM counting in real time, while SC2's one is still in-game time, no? If so, then 300 SC2 APM = 400 BW APM.
Something like that.
Also I think he's talking about by.Hero not Liquid.Hero?
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
Since when can you see the hotkeys the player used in-game in a replay?
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
Since when can you see the hotkeys the player used in-game in a replay?
Since every time, if you have them set to "visible".
On August 29 2013 22:33 sacrilegious wrote: Enjoyed his stream last night, it's nice to see his Terran macro in regular games that we normally see when he plays in tournaments.
I worry that his stream numbers if he continues though will be average at best like Jaedong's, as the hype dies over time down similar to when Jaedong started last year up to now. Ugh I wish they eventually could make efforts to speak and/or interact on stream (easier said than done ofc with language barriers)
It's also very distracting to speak and one of the reasons most foreigners don't improve.
Well ok, then the trade off in the long run is less viewers which I'm sure is bound to happen (e.g. again look at Jaedong's numbers now compared to when he first started streaming last year). Not saying he can do it right away, but if he's has to interact while playing then he'd have to start somewhere right? Why stream if you're only going to peak at a few hundred viewers to a thousand viewers?
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
Don't forget about July. He clocked in 800 apm on one televised game if I remember correctly.
it means that flash and JD just had very efficient APM + great decision making .. and thats the only thing that made them stand out
On August 29 2013 23:33 boxerfred wrote: Flash and JD kinda fall to Innovation and Soulkey though.
i think its equalized a little bit right .. they are fairly close in skills .. such that innovation is having a slump .. and JD is getting better and better
On August 29 2013 23:33 boxerfred wrote: Flash and JD kinda fall to Innovation and Soulkey though.
i think its equalized a little bit right .. they are fairly close in skills .. such that innovation is having a slump .. and JD is getting better and better
our tyrant jaedong is getting really good in his JvP, but the god has taken away his JvT skills...
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
Don't forget about July. He clocked in 800 apm on one televised game if I remember correctly.
it means that flash and JD just had very efficient APM + great decision making .. and thats the only thing that made them stand out
Because July had not efficient apm ? hell this guy won the shortest game in bw history (ok it's not relevant as it was a fail game but... :p)
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
Don't forget about July. He clocked in 800 apm on one televised game if I remember correctly.
it means that flash and JD just had very efficient APM + great decision making .. and thats the only thing that made them stand out
Because July had not efficient apm ? hell this guy won the shortest game in bw history (ok it's not relevant as it was a fail game but... :p)
July had a 800 apm peak. The guys i was talking about had average apm
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote: I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster
jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc
JD wasnt that fast in bw tbh... he had 350 apm, but the speed freaks like Hero and Hyuk were who had 450 apm
Don't forget about July. He clocked in 800 apm on one televised game if I remember correctly.
it means that flash and JD just had very efficient APM + great decision making .. and thats the only thing that made them stand out
Because July had not efficient apm ? hell this guy won the shortest game in bw history (ok it's not relevant as it was a fail game but... :p)
July had a 800 apm peak. The guys i was talking about had average apm
July had consistent fast apm too That's what i meant. I didn't say it right
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
Since when can you see the hotkeys the player used in-game in a replay?
Since every time, if you have them set to "visible".
Oh that makes sense... Got a probably really stupid question though: When you say 'scramble' it means them playing with their normal hot keys and a third party software scrambling it up for viewers / the replay right?
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
Since when can you see the hotkeys the player used in-game in a replay?
Since every time, if you have them set to "visible".
Oh that makes sense... Got a probably really stupid question though: When you say 'scramble' it means them playing with their normal hot keys and a third party software scrambling it up for viewers / the replay right?
They don't use a third party software. Just go into your hotkey settings, and rebind 'Hotkey 1' or whatever it's called to 6 or something, so even though you're using 6 it will display as your first control group in-game. If each account scrambles it in a different way it will be harder to identify players.
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
Since when can you see the hotkeys the player used in-game in a replay?
Since every time, if you have them set to "visible".
Really? i always looked at that and thought it was my hotkey setup
On August 29 2013 20:38 TurboMaN wrote: Did Flash change the A button for Attack? He has all his units in group 7 so I wonder if he uses A to attack or a complete own hotkey layout. Also he doesn't use group 1 and 2.
The hotkeys are scrambled, so that they can't be identified, or you could pin a barcode to a player by looking at hotkey layout.
Why didn't he just turn it off?
It's not so the viewers don't recognise his hotkey setup. They're so that other Korean progamers can't figure out who he is from the replay. Teams have several barcode accounts and must switch them around a lot, and each one would scramble the hotkeys a bit differently.
Since when can you see the hotkeys the player used in-game in a replay?
Since every time, if you have them set to "visible".
Oh that makes sense... Got a probably really stupid question though: When you say 'scramble' it means them playing with their normal hot keys and a third party software scrambling it up for viewers / the replay right?
They don't use a third party software. Just go into your hotkey settings, and rebind 'Hotkey 1' or whatever it's called to 6 or something, so even though you're using 6 it will display as your first control group in-game. If each account scrambles it in a different way it will be harder to identify players.
I think he streamed once or twice a couple of months after the announcement, Slasher, Artosis and someone else I cant recall made an quite awkvard interview with him and then he streamed once. Dont think anything more happend.
"It's no secret how seriously I take my gaming hardware and it's truly an honor for me to use gaming equipment produced by Razer," said Flash. "Of all equipment manufacturers in global gaming, Razer products mean I am fully prepared to win. The way I can find subtle advantage and a feeling of stability in Razer product is very special and allows me to concentrate on the game and winning as I must."
Kind of funny that they went to the trouble of suggesting that Razer gear gives him an advantage but toned it down by calling it "subtle" to avoid making the situation seem unfair. It's quantifiable, but it's no big deal! Buy it, it won't make that much of a difference!
Well it might have been just a promotional thingy for Razer. Maybe Flash just isn't so hot on streaming, or (almost certainly) his team officials are not. I would imagine that while they acknowledge that streaming can be a viable thing to do, it's still somewhat of a nuisance, and risk cause someone may look up on his strats.
Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
I didn;t knew players got kicked out for leaking replays0_o, any link to this?
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Most pros really don't care. Like really really. They play with basic, cheap mice and keyboards no problem at all. Razer stuff is an advantage over that and Flash probably won't be forced to use anything outside of the spotlight. Don't have much experience with their mice but their keyboards are excellent, just as good as any other mechanical keyboard manufacturer, so he won't have to complain there. Again, most pros are used to worse and your mouse/headphones/keyboard really doesn't affect your gameplay that much (unless you've got huge acceleration issues with them or w/e)
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Funny how for Koreans streaming is a chore that they do to help keep the team afloat, whereas sometimes (not a lot just "sometimes") I have this feeleing that foreign pros feel about training and winning as a chore.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
I didn;t knew players got kicked out for leaking replays0_o, any link to this?
Suprised you, as a Netherlander, are saying that. Ask ret on leaking replays and getting kicked out of the house.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Innovation and Taeja stream quite a lot. Look at how good they are.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Innovation and Taeja stream quite a lot. Look at how good they are.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Innovation and Taeja stream quite a lot. Look at how good they are.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Innovation and Taeja stream quite a lot. Look at how good they are.
So good that they are not even in PL.
You realize team liquid and Acer don't play in PL, so how could they? But the point the guy is making is that Taeja and Jaedong for example stream a lot and often make it to the top 4 of major tournaments. Flash, probably doesn't stream because he doesn't want people to steal from him, or see how he plays Terran, but in all honesty I don't think there is much "innovation" left in this game.
guys you realise pros dont use their builds on stream , they show the really standard go to builds. All the specially created crap we dont get to see until the day of the actual game.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Innovation and Taeja stream quite a lot. Look at how good they are.
But they are not playing in Proleague and playing a best of 1 is so much different than playing a best of 3 or more.
On May 13 2014 01:33 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: guys you realise pros dont use their builds on stream , they show the really standard go to builds. All the specially created crap we dont get to see until the day of the actual game.
you don't even need to watch the builds, just knowing the (bad) habbits of your opponent is so huge.
On May 13 2014 01:33 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: guys you realise pros dont use their builds on stream , they show the really standard go to builds. All the specially created crap we dont get to see until the day of the actual game.
you don't even need to watch the builds, just knowing the (bad) habbits of your opponent is so huge.
Yeah, Flash doesn't want people to know he likes to 14CC.
On May 13 2014 01:33 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: guys you realise pros dont use their builds on stream , they show the really standard go to builds. All the specially created crap we dont get to see until the day of the actual game.
you don't even need to watch the builds, just knowing the (bad) habbits of your opponent is so huge.
Yeah, Flash doesn't want people to know he likes to 14CC.
mechanical habbits... since when 14cc isn't a build ?
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
Agreed, I also think that the reason that Prime, MVP, and IM are at the bottom of PL is also because they have players that constantly stream which exposes their strategies by quite a lot.
Innovation and Taeja stream quite a lot. Look at how good they are.
So good that they are not even in PL.
You realize team liquid and Acer don't play in PL, so how could they? But the point the guy is making is that Taeja and Jaedong for example stream a lot and often make it to the top 4 of major tournaments. Flash, probably doesn't stream because he doesn't want people to steal from him, or see how he plays Terran, but in all honesty I don't think there is much "innovation" left in this game.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
I didn;t knew players got kicked out for leaking replays0_o, any link to this?
Suprised you, as a Netherlander, are saying that. Ask ret on leaking replays and getting kicked out of the house.
Wait, KESPA, kicked ret out of the house?0_o I can't find anything about it being kespa, also did anybody else got kicked? since if it was just ret on a team who he just joined, from a totaly diffrent culture with bad relationships within the team, how credit worthy is it to make such statements?
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
I didn;t knew players got kicked out for leaking replays0_o, any link to this?
Suprised you, as a Netherlander, are saying that. Ask ret on leaking replays and getting kicked out of the house.
Wait, KESPA, kicked ret out of the house?0_o I can't find anything about it being kespa, also did anybody else got kicked? since if it was just ret on a team who he just joined, from a totaly diffrent culture with bad relationships within the team, how credit worthy is it to make such statements?
It wasn't Kespa and neither the guy you quoted thought it was Kespa. It was rather a brachylogy, and by Kespa he meant Kespa teams. The whole situation was a misunderstanding, Ret didn't leak any replays and later on he even moved back in to the house but it shows that Kespa teams are really serious about their players replays and especially strategies they use.
On May 13 2014 00:39 Lorch wrote: Proleague is by far the most important league in Korean Starcraft. And it has been since 06ish. Your team winning Proleague is way way way more important than anything you could ever do in an individual league or really anything else you could do as a player. Proleague uses a preparation based format and streaming basically gives your opponent free gameplay to study, and it's even better than vods as you get the first person view. Basically watching your opponents stream is the best you could get unless someone leaks you some replays. Now given that Kespa has been known to throw players out of houses for leaking those, your opponent streaming is pretty much the best thing that could ever happen to you in terms of preparation. Now throw in that Flash plays in pretty much every game KT has and is often used as an Ace, I highly doubt we'll see him stream again.
Personally, I prefer his team and himself to perform well over watching his stream and I feel bad for him being forced to use Razer equipment, especially now that they have invented those god awful switches. No offense to Razer and I appreciate the amount of equipment/cash they are throwing at eSports, but I have never used anything from them that was good.
I didn;t knew players got kicked out for leaking replays0_o, any link to this?
Suprised you, as a Netherlander, are saying that. Ask ret on leaking replays and getting kicked out of the house.
Wait, KESPA, kicked ret out of the house?0_o I can't find anything about it being kespa, also did anybody else got kicked? since if it was just ret on a team who he just joined, from a totaly diffrent culture with bad relationships within the team, how credit worthy is it to make such statements?
It wasn't Kespa and neither the guy you quoted thought it was Kespa. It was rather a brachylogy, and by Kespa he meant Kespa teams. The whole situation was a misunderstanding, Ret didn't leak any replays and later on he even moved back in to the house but it shows that Kespa teams are really serious about their players replays and especially strategies they use.
"It's no secret how seriously I take my gaming hardware and it's truly an honor for me to use gaming equipment produced by Razer," said Flash. "Of all equipment manufacturers in global gaming, Razer products mean I am fully prepared to win. The way I can find subtle advantage and a feeling of stability in Razer product is very special and allows me to concentrate on the game and winning as I must."
Kind of funny that they went to the trouble of suggesting that Razer gear gives him an advantage but toned it down by calling it "subtle" to avoid making the situation seem unfair. It's quantifiable, but it's no big deal! Buy it, it won't make that much of a difference!
Actually, these kinds of statements end up biting players in the ass. What happens if razor drops him. How can he go to a company like SteelSeries now and say, "no no, I was wrong YOU have the best product now." Next time he should leave it more generic and not "over the top" comments on gaming gear which could potentially burn bridges in the future.
"It's no secret how seriously I take my gaming hardware and it's truly an honor for me to use gaming equipment produced by Razer," said Flash. "Of all equipment manufacturers in global gaming, Razer products mean I am fully prepared to win. The way I can find subtle advantage and a feeling of stability in Razer product is very special and allows me to concentrate on the game and winning as I must."
Kind of funny that they went to the trouble of suggesting that Razer gear gives him an advantage but toned it down by calling it "subtle" to avoid making the situation seem unfair. It's quantifiable, but it's no big deal! Buy it, it won't make that much of a difference!
Actually, these kinds of statements end up biting players in the ass. What happens if razor drops him. How can he go to a company like SteelSeries now and say, "no no, I was wrong YOU have the best product now." Next time he should leave it more generic and not "over the top" comments on gaming gear which could potentially burn bridges in the future.
Nah, business don't care. Or maybe it could even be preferred as it "shows" that their product is better than the competition as the player switched to theirs. Either way it worked just fine for EG.
"It's no secret how seriously I take my gaming hardware and it's truly an honor for me to use gaming equipment produced by Razer," said Flash. "Of all equipment manufacturers in global gaming, Razer products mean I am fully prepared to win. The way I can find subtle advantage and a feeling of stability in Razer product is very special and allows me to concentrate on the game and winning as I must."
Kind of funny that they went to the trouble of suggesting that Razer gear gives him an advantage but toned it down by calling it "subtle" to avoid making the situation seem unfair. It's quantifiable, but it's no big deal! Buy it, it won't make that much of a difference!
Actually, these kinds of statements end up biting players in the ass. What happens if razor drops him. How can he go to a company like SteelSeries now and say, "no no, I was wrong YOU have the best product now." Next time he should leave it more generic and not "over the top" comments on gaming gear which could potentially burn bridges in the future.
Nah, business don't care. Or maybe it could even be preferred as it "shows" that their product is better than the competition as the player switched to theirs. Either way it worked just fine for EG.
Excuse me about bumping this thread, but do you guys think since it's off season there is a chance that flash will stream again ? Given his recent performances I think it would be a gift for every terrans to watch him play ^^
On August 13 2014 01:53 Twine wrote: Excuse me about bumping this thread, but do you guys think since it's off season there is a chance that flash will stream again ? Given his recent performances I think it would be a gift for every terrans to watch him play ^^
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