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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 07:59:09
May 21 2013 07:55 GMT
#581
On May 21 2013 15:30 PieceOCake wrote:
Is it not skewed in EGs favor? Look how many EG buttons there are compared to TL or ROOT on pizza.gg


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 15:15 Brett wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:42 hasuterrans wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:29 Slightly wrote:
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote:
I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.

Sources:

1. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

2. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/11/15/the-corporate-blackmailing-of-america-is-now-all-the-rage/



While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.

On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.


From the 2nd link..

Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion
Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion
Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million
Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million

As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself

How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)


Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit

Wasn't my math, just misread the figures (and didn't check them). My bad! ;\
Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
May 21 2013 07:56 GMT
#582
haha, what a cool idea. :D
Ver funny rewards for the goals. Tier 8 sounds hilarious, I want to see that! xD
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 07:58:56
May 21 2013 07:58 GMT
#583
On May 21 2013 16:54 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 15:30 PieceOCake wrote:
Is it not skewed in EGs favor? Look how many EG buttons there are compared to TL or ROOT on pizza.gg


On May 21 2013 15:15 Brett wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:42 hasuterrans wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:29 Slightly wrote:
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote:
I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.

Sources:

1. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

2. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/11/15/the-corporate-blackmailing-of-america-is-now-all-the-rage/



While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.

On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.


From the 2nd link..

Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion
Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion
Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million
Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million

As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself

How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)


Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit

Total revenue minus total costs = Profit, yes?
Therefore, using his figures, 1218 - 1131 = -87
As in, negative. As in lost money. Aka loss.

Am I missing something here.


Yes, twelve hundred anything minus eleven hundred anything cannot possibly be a negative number since you know 12 - 11 = 1

Anyway as to part-time vs full-time, if you think that Obamacare is just an excuse for a long-term shift, go look at Bureau of Labor statistics. Full-time jobs nosedived in 2008, recovered slowly to a ceiling and have stagnated. Obamacare is not a current excuse. It is just another straw on the camel's back, another contributor to this long-term shift from a full-time worker society to a part-time one. And this shift isn't something that has to happen, but it will if external costs with half-baked justifications and half-baked mechanisms like Obamacare keep getting imposed on business.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
May 21 2013 08:00 GMT
#584
On May 21 2013 16:58 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 16:54 Brett wrote:
On May 21 2013 15:30 PieceOCake wrote:
Is it not skewed in EGs favor? Look how many EG buttons there are compared to TL or ROOT on pizza.gg


On May 21 2013 15:15 Brett wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:42 hasuterrans wrote:
On May 21 2013 14:29 Slightly wrote:
On May 21 2013 13:12 neorobo wrote:
I'm disappointed that Team Liquid, EG and ROOT are supporting a company that's owner, Mr. Schnatter, has said he will cut back working hours for his workers to avoid the cost of providing health care to his employees and their families as required by the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare). This is unacceptable and I hope the teams will reconsider their choice here.

Sources:

1. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

2. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/11/15/the-corporate-blackmailing-of-america-is-now-all-the-rage/



While not every CEO has spoken directly about this manner, pretty much every company offering group healthcare right now is cutting back hours for part time employees to no greater than 27 a week. From Home Depot to restaurant chains. It's just going to cost them too much money once health care reform rolls through in January, and since everyone is going to be able to qualify for it there isn't a reason for them to provide it.

On topic: I'm getting pizza tomorrow for tl.net of course.


From the 2nd link..

Papa John's total revenue for last year: $1.218 billion
Papa John's total operating costs for last year: $1.131 billion
Papa John's total profit = $1.218 billion - $1.131 billion = $87 million
Papa John's CEO estimate of the cost of Obamacare: $5-8 million

As you can see from the figures the cost of Obamacare is negligible and Papa John's is using it as a scapegoat to cut employee hours or to raise the price of pizza so that they can maintain the same margin of profitability. Regardless, this is a big moment for esports so I support the pizza promotion and will be ordering some myself

How is $5-8m of a $87m LOSS negligible (I'm assuming the figures you've used are correct)


Math must be upside down in AU too. 1.218 > 1.131. Its an 87 million profit

Total revenue minus total costs = Profit, yes?
Therefore, using his figures, 1218 - 1131 = -87
As in, negative. As in lost money. Aka loss.

Am I missing something here.


Yes, twelve hundred anything minus eleven hundred anything cannot possibly be a negative number since you know 12 - 11 = 1

Anyway as to part-time vs full-time, if you think that Obamacare is just an excuse for a long-term shift, go look at Bureau of Labor statistics. Full-time jobs nosedived in 2008, recovered slowly to a ceiling and have stagnated. Obamacare is not a current excuse. It is just another straw on the camel's back, another contributor to this long-term shift from a full-time worker society to a part-time one. And this shift isn't something that has to happen, but it will if external costs with half-baked justifications and half-baked mechanisms like Obamacare keep getting imposed on business.

Yeah, quite obvious when I redid it. Really don't know how I fucked that up. My mistake.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
May 21 2013 08:10 GMT
#585
Best Pizza is self-made Pizza no cheap fast food chains ain't ever gonna reach my level. No support!
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
May 21 2013 08:13 GMT
#586
On May 21 2013 17:10 Baum wrote:
Best Pizza is self-made Pizza no cheap fast food chains ain't ever gonna reach my level. No support!


Best clothes are also self-made. Brb, getting some sheep...
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
May 21 2013 08:15 GMT
#587
Never heard of Papq John
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
May 21 2013 08:18 GMT
#588
On May 21 2013 17:13 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 17:10 Baum wrote:
Best Pizza is self-made Pizza no cheap fast food chains ain't ever gonna reach my level. No support!


Best clothes are also self-made. Brb, getting some sheep...


I'm sure if you tasted my Pizza you wouldn't be making stupid comparisons.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
May 21 2013 08:18 GMT
#589
TIER 8!!! Order more pizza people!!
NDDseer
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia204 Posts
May 21 2013 08:19 GMT
#590
As much as I detest fast food, I can do nothing but praise those supporting esports by eating a pizza this week!!! Go go go. For the opportunity this represents to grow eSports, it's worth it to have one day off being a health nut.

Tier 8 plz.

Healthy Starcraft players killing eSports.
[On balance, and qq about cheese] "Sure some strategies might be easier to execute, but you can do them too - you have the same tools as your opponent, including your race selection." - Pokebunny
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 21 2013 08:24 GMT
#591
I feel it's very appropriate that we have a meter on the page, to measure the new low we've hit. It was depressing listening to commentators plugging/selling junk food on streams yesterday (D2L).

Holy shit do I want 2010 back.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
May 21 2013 08:28 GMT
#592
On May 21 2013 17:24 Talin wrote:
I feel it's very appropriate that we have a meter on the page, to measure the new low we've hit. It was depressing listening to commentators plugging/selling junk food on streams yesterday (D2L).

Holy shit do I want 2010 back.

LOL.

Thankfully, our opinion as Europeans matters very little since this isn't aimed towards us.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 21 2013 08:30 GMT
#593
On May 21 2013 17:18 Baum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 17:13 Arnstein wrote:
On May 21 2013 17:10 Baum wrote:
Best Pizza is self-made Pizza no cheap fast food chains ain't ever gonna reach my level. No support!


Best clothes are also self-made. Brb, getting some sheep...


I'm sure if you tasted my Pizza you wouldn't be making stupid comparisons.

Rude.
Refer to my post.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 21 2013 08:33 GMT
#594
Tier 8 - iNcontroL and TLO will switch teams for a week and act as head coaches in an EG vs. Liquid off-race showmatch


Hahaha man it would be weird to see them in TL and EG shirts respectively

This must happen
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
acinx
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia181 Posts
May 21 2013 08:47 GMT
#595
YES glen waverley (melbourne) has a papa john's apparently i'm so happy now :D
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
May 21 2013 08:49 GMT
#596
woah t8! eat pizzas USA!!! i wonder if i should call my relatives in florida?

"hello? yes its me! yeah havent talked for years, but postcards have been sent...
listen up, there is something REALLY important i have to tell you...
what? nobody died no... ORDER PAPA JOHNS PIZZA!"
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
May 21 2013 08:55 GMT
#597
On May 21 2013 17:49 Naphal wrote:
woah t8! eat pizzas USA!!! i wonder if i should call my relatives in florida?

"hello? yes its me! yeah havent talked for years, but postcards have been sent...
listen up, there is something REALLY important i have to tell you...
what? nobody died no... ORDER PAPA JOHNS PIZZA!"

Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 21 2013 08:57 GMT
#598
--- Nuked ---
Drorctopus
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands135 Posts
May 21 2013 09:16 GMT
#599
Guys its a fucking pizza. Who cares if its unhealthy. One pizza once in a while wont kill anyone. Stop being such buzzkills, seriously
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 21 2013 09:17 GMT
#600
It's horrible to see TL turned into a pizza shop...
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
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