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On May 02 2013 13:10 TheHansBecker wrote:
No, I just wouldn't come to Teamliquid anymore if all the forums were flames/trolls under your hypothetical, that's how you show support or not. Additionally, if people asked me about TL, I would say it's a waste of time, and tell them why....
No, I'm saying that I could provide horrible racist, sexist, misogynist, flame posts from tons of BW-SC2 progamers. You seem to hate Mewbert's flaming. Do you hate them too? They've posted worse on the forums I've named.
(BTW, I would never do this, just stating a fact).
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Always cool to see new teams rise, but why on earth would you ever allow a guy like Mewbert on it?
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On May 02 2013 13:08 -_- wrote:
A little advice for Clarity Academy; double check whether Mewbert is actually GM. I watched his stream a couple of months ago and he was mid masters and, no offense, bad. Watch him play. Compare it with older reps, etc... I'm not accusing him of anything based on any solid, but if he's not cheating, he improved very fast, and at a rate he wasn't improving at before.
If he's actually HOTS GM, serious congratulations.
He was GM in WoL, HotS beta, and HotS.
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On May 02 2013 13:08 -_- wrote:
A little advice for Clarity Academy; double check whether Mewbert is actually GM. I watched his stream a couple of months ago and he was mid masters and, no offense, bad. Watch him play. Compare it with older reps, etc... I'm not accusing him of anything based on any solid, but if he's not cheating, he improved very fast, and at a rate he wasn't improving at before.
If he's actually HOTS GM, serious congratulations.
I can confirm 20kbert is indeed legit GM.
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On May 02 2013 11:45 -Kyo- wrote:I fear I'm going to lose my ability to report people. If you have not read the thread I suggest you do so before reposting the same garbage, or jumping on the hate bandwagon. It's honestly a burden to people who like to conserve brain power to continually have to read the same post by different people, even those with significant post counts, that say the exact same thing that has been refuted, denied, or closed on a previous page. If you read a couple pages in why not finish it off before immediately posting and assuming your hate is needed on this issue? Keep in mind: The point of this thread is to congratulate the CG academy for their final roster. If you /really/ think there is an issue with a specific player you should honestly just talk to the management of CG instead of being like 'WELL YOU GOT THIS GUY, SO SCREW YOUR WHOLE TEAM!' TL posters used to be beyond this sort of stuff but the influx of these types of posts is depressing. Moreover, to complain one day about people killing e-sports and then posting like this is incredibly hypocritical. Funny people look past the cool coverage and importance CG is putting on their academy roster, even helping host a tournament, and instead choose to post on such things they have no internal knowledge of. Think before you post + Show Spoiler +I really wish I could moderate certain forums sometimes ;~;
P.S: If you don't think they'll solve the problem if anything else like this happens in the future you'd have to be incredibly silly.
Very well Said. I will go ahead and follow this up with some of my own thoughts.
To those of you who have come into this thread only to bash one -ONE- of the nine players that we have announced on this roster and/or to only follow it up with "well i will never support a team who has someone like this on their roster:"
(I assume most of these people are trolls, but I see some of you have high post counts on TL)
To the rest of you who appear to be sincere:
If you really feel that way then you probably were not actually a fan of Clarity Gaming to begin with. Or any organization for that matter if you're willing to so quickly pass judgement on one small aspect of an entire organization. You're entitled to your opinion, we are certainly not going to argue with that. I hope to change your mind after reading this post, and over the next couple of months. Good luck to whoever you do support. Hopefully we can be among them again, eventually.
To those of you betting against us, calling us a 'small start up team,' etc: Thanks, we welcome the challenge. We -are- a relatively small team compared to the likes of EG and TL (who isn't "small" in NA outside of EG, coL, ROOT, and Quantic?). But we're not going anywhere, and you're only going to hear more from us in coming weeks. So get used to seeing us around. Hopefully you can give us a second chance down the line. If not, that's too bad. You are in fact entitled to your own opinion. As I said above, we're not going to hold that against you.
For those of you who aren't the obvious mewbert haters/trolls and are just now learning about Clarity Gaming's existence: Hopefully you can overlook the past of -one- of the almost 40 people this organization supports. We have seen nothing but class from Mewbert since he came into the recruitment process eight weeks ago. We believe that this warrants him a second chance. Hopefully you can accept that and give us and mewbert time to prove ourselves. If not, well that's just too bad. But I'll say it again - we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
To those of you continuously posting someone else's twitter and saying it is Mewberts: Please stop. If you can not prove it is him, stop acting as if it is fact. From everything we have seen, it is -NOT- his twitter. There is absolutely no proof that it is. It is irrelevant. Yes, the video of him talking to Incontrol is him. We were aware of it some weeks ago, and it is nowhere near as bad as some of things that other professional gamers have done in the past and recovered from. So, take that for what it is. Please give him a second chance if you're not one of the people just posting here to troll or add to the hate.
To Those of you demanding a picture of Mewbert: He asked us if he could remain anonymous during his time on the Academy. And seeing the lack of tact in the majority of the negative responses to his position on the team I 100% do not blame him. That being said we made an agreement with Mewbert prior to accepting him onto the Academy that if he does reach the consistent level which would warrant him a spot on our Pro team or anywhere else, he will have to go public with his name and face. He understands that. Hopefully in the meantime he can show the community that he has in fact changed, just as he showed us over a 2 month recruitment process. Hopefully you all who are on the fence can give him/us that chance.
To Anyone who missed my initial response in this thread:
On May 02 2013 10:51 WinterTV wrote:
We are aware of Mewby's past and throughout the -EIGHT WEEK- Academy recruitment process it became clear that he has embraced turning over a new leaf. Clarity will continue to support him as long as his views and attitude don't change on the matter.
We'd like to ask that the community give him a second chance because most people wouldn't be where they are without one. Give him time to prove his intentions and by all means watch him closely but please don't rush to judgment. Especially over a twitter account that is -NOT- his.
To Everyone else who has been positive, supported us before this thread, and who continue to support us after: Thank you so much for your support, sincerely. I am here doing what I do every day because of people like you. I am not paid, I do this for free. I do it so that I can help an industry that I love grow into something better through my knowledge and experience. Your support makes dealing with all of the negative worthwhile, and we are very lucky and thankful to have your support. That being said, I think you're going to like what you see from us over the next 3 weeks. This announcement was just a taste, even with all of the "extra attention" from the negative responses to Mewbert.
Sincerely,
Mike 'winteR' Ortlani
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On May 02 2013 13:17 WinterTV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 11:45 -Kyo- wrote:I fear I'm going to lose my ability to report people. If you have not read the thread I suggest you do so before reposting the same garbage, or jumping on the hate bandwagon. It's honestly a burden to people who like to conserve brain power to continually have to read the same post by different people, even those with significant post counts, that say the exact same thing that has been refuted, denied, or closed on a previous page. If you read a couple pages in why not finish it off before immediately posting and assuming your hate is needed on this issue? Keep in mind: The point of this thread is to congratulate the CG academy for their final roster. If you /really/ think there is an issue with a specific player you should honestly just talk to the management of CG instead of being like 'WELL YOU GOT THIS GUY, SO SCREW YOUR WHOLE TEAM!' TL posters used to be beyond this sort of stuff but the influx of these types of posts is depressing. Moreover, to complain one day about people killing e-sports and then posting like this is incredibly hypocritical. Funny people look past the cool coverage and importance CG is putting on their academy roster, even helping host a tournament, and instead choose to post on such things they have no internal knowledge of. Think before you post + Show Spoiler +I really wish I could moderate certain forums sometimes ;~;
P.S: If you don't think they'll solve the problem if anything else like this happens in the future you'd have to be incredibly silly. Very well Said. I will go ahead and follow this up with some of my own thoughts. To those of you who have come into this thread only to bash one -ONE- of the nine players that we have announced on this roster and/or to only follow it up with "well i will never support a team who has someone like this on their roster:"(I assume most of these people are trolls, but I see some of you have high post counts on TL) To the rest of you who appear to be sincere:If you really feel that way then you probably were not actually a fan of Clarity Gaming to begin with. Or any organization for that matter if you're willing to so quickly pass judgement on one small aspect of an entire organization. You're entitled to your opinion, we are certainly not going to argue with that. I hope to change your mind after reading this post, and over the next couple of months. Good luck to whoever you do support. Hopefully we can be among them again, eventually. To those of you betting against us, calling us a 'small start up team,' etc: Thanks, we welcome the challenge. We -are- a relatively small team compared to the likes of EG and TL (who isn't "small" in NA outside of EG, coL, ROOT, and Quantic?). But we're not going anywhere, and you're only going to hear more from us in coming weeks. So get used to seeing us around. Hopefully you can give us a second chance down the line. If not, that's too bad. You are in fact entitled to your own opinion. As I said above, we're not going to hold that against you. For those of you who aren't the obvious mewbert haters/trolls and are just now learning about Clarity Gaming's existence: Hopefully you can overlook the past of -one- of the almost 40 people this organization supports. We have seen nothing but class from Mewbert since he came into the recruitment process eight weeks ago. We believe that this warrants him a second chance. Hopefully you can accept that and give us and mewbert time to prove ourselves. If not, well that's just too bad. But I'll say it again - we're not going anywhere anytime soon. To those of you continuously posting someone else's twitter and saying it is Mewberts: Please stop. If you can not prove it is him, stop acting as if it is fact. From everything we have seen, it is -NOT- his twitter. There is absolutely no proof that it is. It is irrelevant. Yes, the video of him talking to Incontrol is him. We were aware of it some weeks ago, and it is nowhere near as bad as some of things that other professional gamers have done in the past and recovered from. So, take that for what it is. Please give him a second chance if you're not one of the people just posting here to troll or add to the hate. To Those of you demanding a picture of Mewbert: He asked us if he could remain anonymous during his time on the Academy. And seeing the lack of tact in the majority of the negative responses to his position on the team I 100% do not blame him. That being said we made an agreement with Mewbert prior to accepting him onto the Academy that if he does reach the consistent level which would warrant him a spot on our Pro team or anywhere else, he will have to go public with his name and face. He understands that. Hopefully in the meantime he can show the community that he has in fact changed, just as he showed us over a 2 month recruitment process. Hopefully you all who are on the fence can give him/us that chance. To Anyone who missed my initial response in this thread:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:51 WinterTV wrote:
We are aware of Mewby's past and throughout the -EIGHT WEEK- Academy recruitment process it became clear that he has embraced turning over a new leaf. Clarity will continue to support him as long as his views and attitude don't change on the matter.
We'd like to ask that the community give him a second chance because most people wouldn't be where they are without one. Give him time to prove his intentions and by all means watch him closely but please don't rush to judgment. Especially over a twitter account that is -NOT- his. To Everyone else who has been positive, supported us before this thread, and who continue to support us after: Thank you so much for your support, sincerely. I am here doing what I do every day because of people like you. I am not paid, I do this for free. I do it so that I can help an industry that I love grow into something better through my knowledge and experience. Your support makes dealing with all of the negative worthwhile, and we are very lucky and thankful to have your support. That being said, I think you're going to like what you see from us over the next 3 weeks. This announcement was just a taste, even with all of the "extra attention" from the negative responses to Mewbert. Sincerely, Mike 'winteR' Ortlani
Look at what you are having to do already. Damage control, and you've barely started. I hope the best for your other players but I won't be surprised when you have to make an apology post for the behavior from one of your players.
Once a douche (Which he clearly is) always a douche
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On May 02 2013 13:17 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:08 -_- wrote:
A little advice for Clarity Academy; double check whether Mewbert is actually GM. I watched his stream a couple of months ago and he was mid masters and, no offense, bad. Watch him play. Compare it with older reps, etc... I'm not accusing him of anything based on any solid, but if he's not cheating, he improved very fast, and at a rate he wasn't improving at before.
If he's actually HOTS GM, serious congratulations.
I can confirm 20kbert is indeed legit GM.
GZ Mewbert.
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On May 02 2013 13:17 magnaflow wrote:
INB4 Clarity Gaming apology
Why would we apologize? We have done nothing wrong. Mewbert will be release his own personal address to the public. But we certainly will not be apologizing for anything posted here in this thread today.
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On May 02 2013 13:19 TheHansBecker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:12 -_- wrote:On May 02 2013 13:10 TheHansBecker wrote:
No, I just wouldn't come to Teamliquid anymore if all the forums were flames/trolls under your hypothetical, that's how you show support or not. Additionally, if people asked me about TL, I would say it's a waste of time, and tell them why.... No, I'm saying that I could provide horrible racist, sexist, misogynist, flame posts from tons of BW-SC2 progamers. You seem to hate Mewbert's flaming. Do you hate them too? They've posted worse on the forums I've named. (BTW, I would never do this, just stating a fact). I'm not a BW fan, so no, I can't really entertain this hypothetical, I don't follow forums where it's mainly trolls... I would however never support any caster or player who vulgarly attempted to bring down another player/caster for no reason other than for "cheap laughs" as he so eloquently stated. Like I said previously, he purposely went on InControl's show, with the intent in front of thousand of fans, maliciously attack him. Some players freak out during streaming, but they don't go out of their way to attack another member of the community, such as joining their stream/podcast/whatever and attacking them like that... And if they did... No I would not support them.
So you're against incontrol as well for getting cheap laughs at Destiny's expense?
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Congrats to those who makes the team , i just watch the video with Incontrol and i disagree with you guys to add mewbert
i really like Sterling Motok and Shuttle it would be great if you would kick this guy...
On a side note funny how he is the only one without a picture :D
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On May 02 2013 13:21 WinterTV wrote:Why would we apologize? We have done nothing wrong. Mewbert will be release his own personal address to the public. But we certainly will not be apologizing for anything posted here in this thread today.
What I meant by that it is only a matter of time before something happens and you will be apologizing on behalf of your team because somebody fucked up
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On May 02 2013 13:23 TheHansBecker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:21 WinterTV wrote:On May 02 2013 13:17 magnaflow wrote:
INB4 Clarity Gaming apology Why would we apologize? We have done nothing wrong. Mewbert will be release his own personal address to the public. But we certainly will not be apologizing for anything posted here in this thread today. A.K.A. -- They condone his actions, and will not be taking any action.
Exactly. This is a pathetic move on their part. Condoning the shit he said to Incontrol?! Wow
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On May 02 2013 13:27 bennyboy9201 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:23 TheHansBecker wrote:On May 02 2013 13:21 WinterTV wrote:On May 02 2013 13:17 magnaflow wrote:
INB4 Clarity Gaming apology Why would we apologize? We have done nothing wrong. Mewbert will be release his own personal address to the public. But we certainly will not be apologizing for anything posted here in this thread today. A.K.A. -- They condone his actions, and will not be taking any action. Exactly. This is a pathetic move on their part. Condoning the shit he said to Incontrol?! Wow
Giving someone a chance to redeem themselves based on what Winter said earlier:
throughout the -EIGHT WEEK- Academy recruitment process it became clear that he has embraced turning over a new leaf.
does not equal "condoning the shit he said to incontrol".
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Beyond 'second chances' and 'similar behavior from other players,' Mewbert has come a long way since that video was first made. He was around mid-high masters when he had that conversation with iNcontroL and, yeah, some of the stuff he said was pretty rude. But the take-away I got from that debate was iNcontroL telling Mewbert to fuck off, the world is unfair, and that he works 'really hard.' So what happens next? Mewbert ladders his fucking ass off and gets to top 50 GM (HIGHER THAN INCONTROL) in six months. This is a guy that was platinum league in early 2011.
Instead of looking at this as a source to condemn Mewbert's BM, I choose to look at it as proof of Mewbert's determination. I honestly cannot wait for the day when Mewbert matches iNcontroL in a tournament and 2-0's him. Maybe it'll show who's actually "working really hard."
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On May 02 2013 13:27 bennyboy9201 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:23 TheHansBecker wrote:On May 02 2013 13:21 WinterTV wrote:On May 02 2013 13:17 magnaflow wrote:
INB4 Clarity Gaming apology Why would we apologize? We have done nothing wrong. Mewbert will be release his own personal address to the public. But we certainly will not be apologizing for anything posted here in this thread today. A.K.A. -- They condone his actions, and will not be taking any action. Exactly. This is a pathetic move on their part. Condoning the shit he said to Incontrol?! Wow
Agreed. It's a shame too because I really like their current pro lineup and the rest of their academy crew. I've been following this team for quite a while now, but this mewbert guy really ruins it. When will these smaller teams learn that having combatex wannabes are not going help them in the long run.
Let's not forget he's known to stream snipe, cheat, and bm high profile community figures for no reason while they stream. People like that do not deserve to be a part of what I thought was a good organization CG was running. They should just stick with being ladder heroes and not tarnish the good reputations teams work so hard to achieve.
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Good luck with the new team. Glad to see that Clarity Gaming is trying to foster new talent. I truly hope that your player mewbert is able to stay under control and that he no longer acts the way he did (that video linked was brutal to watch/hear). Best of luck to the academy.
Btw keep up the good work with those recaps and player of the month article, they are fun to read.
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Congrats to those that made the roster.
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