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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On April 24 2013 23:22 GhandiEAGLE wrote: You better start! We need a Washington champion!! Unfortunately the season has been locked  . I dropped out of gm because of bonus pool smurfing for WCS. Luckily I got into gm a day or two ago but I'm low gm. It'll be awhileeeeeee to get to top 16 lol xD | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Actually if you read the fine print, then neither Demuslim or Polt should be allowed to play. Neither are Permanent Residents or Citizens in the legal sense. Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not. | ||
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acudoc
United States4 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:07 zachMEISTER wrote: Permanent residence can be established quite easily by Demuslim methinks...Polt OTOH, probably not. That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 24 2013 23:59 DaddyX wrote: It makes no sense to give out WCS points to a restricted entry tournament...how would it be fair to the Korean players in WCS NA who have no chance to earn this "small, but somewhat significant" points as you've said. But there will be other tournaments as well, where they very much will have the chance to win an equal or greater amount of points. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
Will be fun to finally see an ACTUAL foreign tournament, and see how the players match up vs eachother. have never been the biggest fan of TB, but this is AWSOME. especially since he has no problem locking out members of his own team for his own tournament, shows true grit IMO. Am excited to see what happens with this. Really think Demuslim might be the favorite, he showed excellent games in WCS, even took down matches vs Koreans, and was only eliminated after 3 cheeses in a row from Oz. | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote: That is going to be the argument for this entire thread: what does “Permanent residence” mean? Is it based on intent of the individual or legal status within the country? There are strong arguments on either side. It is sort of the like the class “what is a dwelling” argument that everyone does in law school. Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards. | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
On April 24 2013 23:51 Gool wrote: How many spots for NA and how many for south america? Reading the OP its says top 16 on ladder so no reserved spots are given | ||
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TDV
31 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:21 zachMEISTER wrote: Genna stated herself the requirement is based on citizenship and permanent residence. The only way to obtain permanent residence in these United States if you're not a natural born citizen, is via Green card. Not much to argue about. Work visas are temporary residence cards. You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be. | ||
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scii
United Kingdom4 Posts
On April 24 2013 21:49 Quateras wrote: Haha that point is so good ^ _ ^ I wonder where Demuslim would be had he stayed in europe, with regular Dremhacks, IEM's etc. to attend. Not to forget the wcs eu seed that he would have had :S Props to him though, i would be in such a negative mood with all this going around, be he seems happier than ever  Yeah me too, but I guess it's nice having all those people tune in to watch him be him and get paid, and do something he loves. Must be a buzz. I guess these restrictions are the only way to make the competition 'No Koreans allowed'. I would think that a big team like Evil Geniuses need Demulism to be in more competitions other than the challenger league though. (if he qualifies). | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
Unfortunately, I doubt DeMusliM will be able to play in this, I don't believe he is a permanent resident. Seems he is falling through the cracks everywhere... | ||
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lovelyrose
Canada160 Posts
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:28 Plansix wrote: You are 100% correct if they take the legal definition of “Permanent residence”. That is why I said it is going to come down to if they used the legal definition or if they use intent of the player. It is a semantics argument on how strictly they wish to define what they consider “Permanent residence” to be. Genna said Green card or equivalent, so definition of permanent resident is pretty clear. Sorry Polt and Demuslim Edit: adding Genna's quote On April 24 2013 18:22 Intricacy wrote: Hey guys! Thanks so much for the initial wave of support. This idea just sort of came on while I was watching my guys play in WCS qualifiers. I'm American, so my heart was breaking seeing so many spots for an NA event go to non-NA players. Not to take anything away from how awesome those players are, but I really want to infuse our region's ladder with some much needed enthusiasm. To clarify a point some of you are bringing up : Eligibility is dependent on the player having either citizenship or a permanent residency card (green card or equivalent) for any North America or South America country. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:31 MstrJinbo wrote: Genna said Green card or equivalent, so definition of permanent resident is pretty clear. Sorry Polt and Demuslim I hope it isn't that cut and dry. At one point TB didn't have a green card when he lived here with Genna, but no one would argue that he was anything but a permanent resident. I would hope they would count players that have visa's that allow paths to citizenship. They are very hard and expensive to obtain and I think the act of getting one would be enough to qualify the player for "permanent resident". That is just my opinion. I like rules that aren't cut and dry and allow some personal judgment in situations like this. I would hate to see a player unable to compete because they are on a refuge visa or something that was beyond their control. | ||
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betaman
United Kingdom355 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:01 CursedFeanor wrote: Will definitely watch! Awesome tournament incoming by the looks of it. I also love that there won't be some subjective crap about the invitees. Let the best players join, not those who were popular years ago but can't play at a competitive level anymore. edit: Demuslim and Polt should definitely be allowed in this tournament as they are living in America and considered by many as local heros who contribute to our scene. I know I'd love to see them compete in this! Well I dont think either will be allowed into the tournament, neither qualify as permanent residents. Polt would dominate so hard to the point of it being a foregone conclusion anyway.The whole point of it is to foster american talent while encouraging competition on ladder and give pros in America something to aim for. | ||
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126Q;A1
Sweden517 Posts
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On April 25 2013 00:38 Plansix wrote: I hope it isn't that cut and dry. At one point TB didn't have a green card when he lived here with Genna, but no one would argue that he was anything but a permanent resident. I would hope they would count players that have visa's that allow paths to citizenship. They are very hard and expensive to obtain and I think the act of getting one would be enough to qualify the player for "permanent resident". That is just my opinion. I like rules that aren't cut and dry and allow some personal judgment in situations like this. I would hate to see a player unable to compete because they are on a refuge visa or something that was beyond their control. I imagine few people know the horrors of the US immigration process than TB and Genna. Getting a green card is incredibly difficult, time consuming and expensive. It's basically unattainable for most players out there. It sucks for players like demuslim who invested a lot in a work visa but won't be able to participate, but it is a single tournament and he will get other chances. | ||
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GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
Also, cleverly done announcing it while there's still a lot of anger bubbling about WCS NA, and also to make the $10k prize pool to avoid the ban on broadcasting during WCS. Hopefully these things will help the tourney gain traction. | ||
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