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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 29 2014 13:40 GMT
#1481
On July 29 2014 22:38 Hider wrote:
Morrow still completely misquoting what David Kim said. Reddit even corrected him and apparently he still didn't get the meme.

No Morrow, David Kim didn't nerf Widow Mines because he thought they were too strong vs zerg. Seriously, I don't understand how anyone can be on this show without being aware of that.

what was the reasoning behind it then?
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 19:16:57
July 29 2014 13:45 GMT
#1482
On July 29 2014 22:40 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 22:38 Hider wrote:
Morrow still completely misquoting what David Kim said. Reddit even corrected him and apparently he still didn't get the meme.

No Morrow, David Kim didn't nerf Widow Mines because he thought they were too strong vs zerg. Seriously, I don't understand how anyone can be on this show without being aware of that.

what was the reasoning behind it then?


Anyway, he nerfed it because he wanted to create synergy between Siege Tansk and Widow Mines + bio. It didn't work and thus was reverted.

David Kim actually said TvZ wasn't imbalanced when he nerfed it. So if you follow the logic of David Kim, then it is implied that TvZ would be zerg favored if terrans continued to only go 4M after the Widow Mine patch (which they did).
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 29 2014 13:58 GMT
#1483
Xenocider is a very good guest. Smart, eloquent, says what he thinks, yet remains respectful.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 29 2014 14:00 GMT
#1484
Yes Xenocider is awesome on the show . I could still do with a recall nerf/change btw .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 14:19:39
July 29 2014 14:17 GMT
#1485
Xenocider is great, Harstem is okay, but a bit borish in my opinion (however I still like him as a person, seems nice and does an okay job in Meta!). Morrow has a lot of opinions, but I feel that they are long shots and weird from time to time.
Overall this thing with going over the maps are extremly boring aswell. Other topics such as Pro League and other would be way more interesting.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 29 2014 14:26 GMT
#1486
I have to agree, the map part takes too long and is kinda boring :/. And now they are doing all 7.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 29 2014 14:47 GMT
#1487
From which page is Artosis taking the pictures? Ty
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 29 2014 14:51 GMT
#1488
On July 29 2014 23:47 deacon.frost wrote:
From which page is Artosis taking the pictures? Ty


From scdojo.com, MC did a map analysis, that's where the pictures are.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
July 29 2014 14:53 GMT
#1489
I must say I love Harstems game knowledge
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 29 2014 15:08 GMT
#1490
Man now they didn't do the questions from Reddit or mention Proleague at all. I think the map part took way too long, really a shame .

Great to hear there will be more next week though and scdojo looks cool!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 29 2014 15:09 GMT
#1491
On July 30 2014 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Man now they didn't do the questions from Reddit or mention Proleague at all. I think the map part took way too long, really a shame .

Great to hear there will be more next week though and scdojo looks cool!

at the beginning of this show artosis said he wanted to go into the game with this show analyse balance etc, not focusing on tournaments etc too much.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
July 29 2014 15:12 GMT
#1492
On July 30 2014 00:09 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Man now they didn't do the questions from Reddit or mention Proleague at all. I think the map part took way too long, really a shame .

Great to hear there will be more next week though and scdojo looks cool!

at the beginning of this show artosis said he wanted to go into the game with this show analyse balance etc, not focusing on tournaments etc too much.


I just think spending that much time just on discussing the maps was quite boring. You can discuss balance from other perspectives aswell such as Pro League, GSL and what not.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 15:14:19
July 29 2014 15:13 GMT
#1493
On July 30 2014 00:09 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Man now they didn't do the questions from Reddit or mention Proleague at all. I think the map part took way too long, really a shame .

Great to hear there will be more next week though and scdojo looks cool!

at the beginning of this show artosis said he wanted to go into the game with this show analyse balance etc, not focusing on tournaments etc too much.


They don't do drama and community news etc., but they always did tournament previews and tournament talk. Predicting winners etc was always done, was always the most fun part .

Edit: But Proleague finals are a good topic for next week, I thought we won't have another episode for a month or so, but this way it's fine. At least maps are out of the way now!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 29 2014 15:14 GMT
#1494
On July 30 2014 00:13 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 00:09 Undead1993 wrote:
On July 30 2014 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Man now they didn't do the questions from Reddit or mention Proleague at all. I think the map part took way too long, really a shame .

Great to hear there will be more next week though and scdojo looks cool!

at the beginning of this show artosis said he wanted to go into the game with this show analyse balance etc, not focusing on tournaments etc too much.


They don't do drama and community news etc., but they always did tournament previews and tournament talk. Predicting winners etc was always done, was always the most fun part .

oh yeah true i remember, have to agree the map part was where i closed the stream, not really worth watching i'd say
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Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 15:49:32
July 29 2014 15:49 GMT
#1495
I thought discussing the maps was excellent. It's actually why I tuned in to watch, but I seem to be an outlier. Maybe it did drag on a bit.

Perhaps it would be a more popular segment if it was sexier (more about balance) and/or shorter.

Don't cover the whole map pool, or cover a couple maps only very briefly.
Each guest picking their most imbalanced map, in general or for a match up or favouring a particular race.
Each guest picking their favourite/least favourite map. Making their case then the others have a pop at their analysis.
Splitting the discussion into two segments for two different episodes.
Or... something.

Maybe get a map designer on?

I dunno, whatever. This was fine for me and I'd like to see more of the same or similar plx.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Socup
Profile Joined June 2014
190 Posts
July 29 2014 16:40 GMT
#1496
Can anyone point to a thread or vod that discusses maps and importance of map selection, or is it just watching this meta thing in general?
There's no reason blizzard can't release new units or fixes to a game without creating another costly "expansion" you've already paid 100$ for, unless they want to treadmill the gambler with future promises of "it gets better"
eightym
Profile Joined May 2011
United States76 Posts
July 29 2014 16:47 GMT
#1497
Meta today was so boring, except for Xenocider. There needs to be a zerg on there, too. It's a balance discussion.

It's just too politically correct. The problem is that if you bring players with sponsors on, then they simply won't say anything controversial. But most good players have sponsors...
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 29 2014 17:04 GMT
#1498
On July 30 2014 00:08 Musicus wrote:
Man now they didn't do the questions from Reddit.


Just another thing to add to #brokenpromises
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
July 29 2014 17:40 GMT
#1499
Anyone know if there is an audio version of this one can stream? Can't load the high quality video without constant stuttering.
why?
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
July 29 2014 18:27 GMT
#1500
On July 30 2014 01:47 eightym wrote:
Meta today was so boring, except for Xenocider. There needs to be a zerg on there, too. It's a balance discussion.

It's just too politically correct. The problem is that if you bring players with sponsors on, then they simply won't say anything controversial. But most good players have sponsors...


If you look around for controversy, there's more than enough. If it were a balance discussion -I don't think it is- but if it were then it can do that perfectly well with a controversy quotient of exactly 0.

On July 30 2014 01:40 Socup wrote:
Can anyone point to a thread or vod that discusses maps and importance of map selection, or is it just watching this meta thing in general?


Good question.

But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
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