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On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to  Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups!
nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again. So he got 1) walked over for being late 2) DQed in the losers' bracket 3) reinstated somehow 4) DQed again in the next round
1st DQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=106#2112
hes back! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=114#2272
2nd DQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=115#2296
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On April 21 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups! nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again
It is not like MMA where you can literally knock someone out. If MLG doesn't put him into the next round in their bracket, then he can't do anything.
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MLG are just not very good at this stuff. Large one off tournaments they rock but for this NASL would have been better. Better yet BOTH should have been involved so as the load was spread. It is not like StarCcraft has so much production talent we can have half of it sitting idle because Blizzard cut them out of the deal.
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On April 21 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups! nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again. So he got 1) walked over for being late 2) DQed in the losers' bracket 3) reinstated somehow 4) DQed again in the next round
That's hilarious hahaha.
Kill it, kill it with fire. Don't let him into the ventilation ducts.
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On April 21 2013 22:42 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups! nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again It is not like MMA where you can literally knock someone out. If MLG doesn't put him into the next round in their bracket, then he can't do anything.
I know. It's pretty funny that this could happen but kind of sad at the same time. Maybe they couldnt get ahold of the other guy anymore so they just advanced HyuN but kept him DQd
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How do you mess up this bad? I dont understand
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On April 21 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups! nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again. So he got 1) walked over for being late 2) DQed in the losers' bracket 3) reinstated somehow 4) DQed again in the next round
So both parties seem to be at fault here. Seriously, he got walked over because he was late for a WCS qualifier? Doesn't sound like he just innocently didn't know that he isn't allowed to play in the tournament if that's the level of interest he has for the tournament.
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On April 21 2013 22:46 joopajoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups! nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again. So he got 1) walked over for being late 2) DQed in the losers' bracket 3) reinstated somehow 4) DQed again in the next round So both parties seem to be at fault here. Seriously, he got walked over because he was late for a WCS qualifier? Doesn't sound like he just innocently didn't know that he isn't allowed to play in the tournament if that's the level of interest he has for the tournament.
Yes, both parties are at fault. I don't buy the "HyuN was confused" because it's your fucking job, and ignorance is not an excuse. But MLG is who handled the applying process and brackets. If someone had to stop him from playing, was MLG. Hell, just a few pages into the LR thread, people were wondering why HyuN was playing. If you know jackshit about who should play, and check the brackets before being released, you would see HyuN and say "lol no". I don't know when the applying process ended to sign up for WCS NA, but i think players should sign up with their real IDs (x3 yoloswags, wtf) and those applicants should be cross checked by coordination of the different regions. I don't know how disconnected of the scene you can be to let HyuN play.
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Pretty disappointed about the singular stream with Axes. And maybe the US people should try and qualify for the EU tourney instead next season
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On April 21 2013 22:59 Koesader wrote:Pretty disappointed about the singular stream with Axes. And maybe the US people should try and qualify for the EU tourney instead next season
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if most NA players play on EU if the lag isn't as bad as Korea -> EU and NA just becomes a online Korea.
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On April 21 2013 22:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 21 2013 20:55 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:50 Lysanias wrote:On April 21 2013 20:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 21 2013 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 21 2013 17:56 Waxangel wrote:
rofl, they let HyuN play and actualyl eliminate people? the best part is he was listed as DQed. then he resurrected himself and knocked out the next person in the bracket and got DQed again Truly HyuNstoppable ;o Says alot about Hyun as a person to Yeah because I'm sure he knew the rules of WCS very well... just like every other player... Oh wait... Blizzard botched this in every possible way with regards to handling information about their event. A player in a major team that played in code S, that got 0 instructions. He got disqualified then just played his next match, yeah nothing fishy going on there. Offcourse this is true that MLG/Blizzard admins made a big mistake, to let him play for 5 hours, then DQ him and needing to DQ him again, but i doubt he went in there all ignorant. The first DQ wasn't a DQ it was a walk over loss for being LATE not because he played in Code S, and he kept playing because there is a fucking losers bracket to play in -.- not like he just said fuck it and kept playing people after being eliminated Don't you dare go blaming HyuN for Blizzard/MLG's Fuck ups! nah he got a walkover for being late. Then he recorded a 2-0 win vs Ivy later on in the loser bracket. Then he got DQed and Ivy got a 1-0 advance. Then it got changed to HyuN 1-0. Then HyuN played the next guy. Then HyuN got DQed again. So he got 1) walked over for being late 2) DQed in the losers' bracket 3) reinstated somehow 4) DQed again in the next round 1st DQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=106#2112hes back! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=114#22722nd DQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408680¤tpage=115#2296
Yeah Necro)Phagist( sounds like Hyun could not help it a single bit !
I don't like Hyun's mentality in this, he sure is at fault, then again if an Organisation makes blunder after blunder you have to wonder if they didn't deserve something like this comming there way.
I hope these are lessons learned well for next qualifiers.
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Out of all the broadcasters out there, i feel that MLG is the least passionate about the game and most greedy.
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tghey not allow other streams ? esl in europe had i think 10 streams simultanly ... how stupid is that
i am normaly an ESL shitter but i have to say, in every of that 6 points ESL and WCS EUROPE was FAR better ...
sad that they not use a better system/admin/mods whatever on usa seems like old days where guys with no clue admin it
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On April 21 2013 22:27 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:24 bittman wrote:On April 21 2013 22:18 vinsang1000 wrote:On April 21 2013 21:36 Fionn wrote:
Some of them aren't really MLG's fault, but letting Hyun play is just stupid. Yehaa but cannot Hyun must be blammed also ? He kenw the rules isn't he M I think there is a real chance that Hyun could be punished somewhat. Then again the fault is with both parties. iono, I blame a tournament not knowing its OWN RULES a bit more than the player
Yup, player breaking the rules puts to the test organizators, who knows how many "mini-tragedies" like that happened throughout this bracket.
Talk about progaming being a dream for someone and then he gets owned by a guy who shouldn't be even there.
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Every other esport community knew this before - you can not take online qualifiers/play seriously, now the SC2 guys learn the lesson as well. It does not matter how well organized, there is always a big questionable part to it that just makes these kinds of tournaments unappealing to many viewers.
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EU was a lot better.
I mainly wish for other streams. The rest of points mentioned in OP are just shameful for MLG.
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On April 21 2013 23:10 Like a Boss wrote:
Out of all the broadcasters out there, i feel that MLG is the least passionate about the game and most greedy.
Well, what did you expect? It is after all an american company...
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Didnt watch it. Don't care. Please support Korea
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On April 21 2013 21:53 JKM wrote:
And I thought EU was badly run*, but WCS.NA seems so much worse off, especially with the issue of Chinese (and aussie?) players not getting to participate because of a ridiculous 512 player cap. I don't know who has the finger on the trigger at MLG regarding those choices, but it seems very stupid to limit the tournament like.
Their stream was run quite smoothly and overall I think Axslav and Axeltoss does a decent job, but I would've liked the option of choosing another stream to see other games!
* In retrospect it wasn't that bad actually, considering how short of a notice ESL probably had on the entire thing.
Nah, EU really wasn't run badly. I would have been great if Kaelaris have had a co-caster. But to have a 30 min delay because of a huuuge grid, some problems with too much traffic and changing one sign in with short timed notice. Not great, but endurable.
Bracket was good, many streams, delay no too bad, good admins and great games.
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