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On April 22 2013 00:32 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:29 Cricketer12 wrote:
Since when are Demuslim and incontrol "top" foreigner favorites? Demuslim is better than all those other guys on the list, so I think that makes him the top favorite there. Incontrol, maybe not the best player but I think many people would be happy if he advanced. After all he is a polarizing but popular figure in the scene.
Incontrol was doing really well until he got knocked out by Top, who went on to smash everyone but sleep deprived Crank. If there were no Korean players in the bracket, I think he had a really good chance of qualifying. I think it is very reasonable to think he will get into NA Code A.
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On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job !
This!! says it all
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On April 21 2013 23:59 Topzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:00 SoulHarvester wrote:
I do not understand this whining. Even if Blizzard would have invited more NA players for the NA Code S, they would've been 2-0'ed in every game in the seasonal finals anyways; so where is the point? If NA players want more spots, they will have to earn them. That's just being stupid... demuslim does not get 2-0d by every koreans lol... he would be way more interesting to watch than koreans or b list foreigners like hellokitty.
Meanwhile, he got knocked into the lower bracket by the FIRST Korean he played against in the qualifier. :D
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On April 22 2013 00:38 tomatriedes wrote:
Instead of 'foreigners' how about saying 'non-Koreans'? It's the same number of letters and more accurate.
why isnt your country called new zeeland instead of new zealand, its the same number of letters and more accurate.
because history.
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On April 21 2013 15:05 Emzeeshady wrote:I wouldn't watch if there were all NA players. Thank god for these Koreans qualifying. No Zergs again though 
What's the problem? You don't need the NA players in their tournament, because they are weak.
We also don't need inferior races like zerg and toss in the tournament.
Best play is korean TvT anyway!
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On April 22 2013 00:41 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:59 Topzerg wrote:On April 21 2013 23:00 SoulHarvester wrote:
I do not understand this whining. Even if Blizzard would have invited more NA players for the NA Code S, they would've been 2-0'ed in every game in the seasonal finals anyways; so where is the point? If NA players want more spots, they will have to earn them. That's just being stupid... demuslim does not get 2-0d by every koreans lol... he would be way more interesting to watch than koreans or b list foreigners like hellokitty. Meanwhile, he got knocked into the lower bracket by the FIRST Korean he played against in the qualifier. :D
He got knocked out 2-1 by OZ and those were close games. OZ went on to qualify, so he also beat out other Korean players too. Demuslim could easily have been the one to make it out of that match.
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On April 22 2013 00:40 govie wrote:This!! says it all
Yeah because it's all xenophobia, not people trying to create a sustainable SC2 scene.
Because if you think people will forever watch KR vs KR, well, with the way things are evolving I can only hope you are right.
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On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job !
tuuuk tuuu tuuuuuuuuuuuu
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On April 22 2013 00:47 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:40 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job ! This!! says it all Yeah because it's all xenophobia, not people trying to create a sustainable SC2 scene. Because if you think people will forever watch KR vs KR, well, with the way things are evolving I can only hope you are right.
Speak for yourself, the player pool in EU is better than ever. If we disregard the Korean and had all the Americans in WCS NA try to qualify in WCS EU, I bet that no NA player would qualify.
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Lets not get too carried away guys, it does suck that the NA WCS is going to be the KR WCS #2, but at least we may get one or two real NA players in the challenger division so that may be worth watching.
Also I didn't see anything about idra, is he not playing in the NA WCS?
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i absolutely dont get this mindset... I mean, in BW koreans were fighting vs koreans and non kor vs non kor. always...
In sc2 we have this huge opportunity to mix both koreans and non koreans because the skill difference is actually not that high.
Its good for non kor players because they will increase their skill in order to compete with kors.
Its good for viewers because it is always fun to watch kor vs non kor and because non kor will get better and better.
Its good for the game because mixing cultures, strategies, gamestyle is awesome.
I understand sometimes u can have favorites or so, but what prevails at the end of the day is the joy to witness players skills, awesome games, outstanding moves, etc...
I dont understand why everybody is not just enjoying this ....
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On April 22 2013 00:56 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:47 Bagi wrote:On April 22 2013 00:40 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job ! This!! says it all Yeah because it's all xenophobia, not people trying to create a sustainable SC2 scene. Because if you think people will forever watch KR vs KR, well, with the way things are evolving I can only hope you are right. Speak for yourself, the player pool in EU is better than ever. If we disregard the Korean and had all the Americans in WCS NA try to qualify in WCS EU, I bet that no NA player would qualify.
I am from EU and I do agree that the EU WCS is looking really good.
The NA WCS however is an utter and complete joke, which really hurts the scene overall as a big part (majority?) of the viewers come from NA.
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On April 22 2013 01:03 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:56 SayTT wrote:On April 22 2013 00:47 Bagi wrote:On April 22 2013 00:40 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job ! This!! says it all Yeah because it's all xenophobia, not people trying to create a sustainable SC2 scene. Because if you think people will forever watch KR vs KR, well, with the way things are evolving I can only hope you are right. Speak for yourself, the player pool in EU is better than ever. If we disregard the Korean and had all the Americans in WCS NA try to qualify in WCS EU, I bet that no NA player would qualify. I am from EU and I do agree that the EU WCS is looking really good. The NA WCS however is an utter and complete joke, which really hurts the scene overall as a big part (majority?) of the viewers come from NA.
Well a lot of Europe is not English speaking so the viewer is spread out. But I would say that EU has about equal amount of viewers combined. I'm not sure though. Anyway I get the feeling that most viewers from NA like to watch EU players over KR?
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So many Koreans, but meh if the NA players can compete in spite of delay it's okay :-(. I am happy they didn't try in Europe!
On April 22 2013 00:58 FretfulAnimL wrote:
Also I didn't see anything about idra, is he not playing in the NA WCS?
Idra was invited directly into code S :-).
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On April 22 2013 01:10 JKM wrote:So many Koreans, but meh if the NA players can compete in spite of delay it's okay :-(. I am happy they didn't try in Europe! Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:58 FretfulAnimL wrote:
Also I didn't see anything about idra, is he not playing in the NA WCS? Idra was invited directly into code S :-).
Yea it seems like he got a "mercy invite" much like TLO did
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On April 21 2013 15:37 VArsovskiSC wrote:
What they should've done is make different number of spots qualify from different regions..
Like - say for example:
Korea - 13,
EU - 6,
NA - 5,
SEA - 4,
AUS - 2,
SA - 2
That way you'd get a decent ratio of players from around the world
Something like that if y know what I mean, and THEN maybe allow the players to pick their region of interest (under the condition that they've been/lived more than say 6 months or a year on that soil) or decide where they have the highest chances for for winning a spot..
This is a smart idea to promote players to stay in their local region, and it's how a lot of global sports are organized, with more competitive regions getting more slots in the global tournament.
Given the current three regions, I'd make the final tournament 32 players rather than 16 and make the slots:
Korea: 15
America: 7
Europe: 8
Host Region: +2
Or, make it 24 players (top 8 get a first round bye) and distribute as:
Korea: 12
America: 5
Europe: 6
Host Region: +1
They could float the slots a little based on how players in each region are performing from year to year and redistribute the slots for the next season.
EDIT: Or, they could also just give a minimum number of slots per regions, like 6 for each of the three regions, +2 for the host country, and then add another 12 globally based on points, though that runs into thorny issues of how many points each event is worth in each region and how accessible points-generating events are for everyone. Seeding the championship solely on regional performance is easier to manage.
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On April 22 2013 01:04 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:03 Bagi wrote:On April 22 2013 00:56 SayTT wrote:On April 22 2013 00:47 Bagi wrote:On April 22 2013 00:40 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job ! This!! says it all Yeah because it's all xenophobia, not people trying to create a sustainable SC2 scene. Because if you think people will forever watch KR vs KR, well, with the way things are evolving I can only hope you are right. Speak for yourself, the player pool in EU is better than ever. If we disregard the Korean and had all the Americans in WCS NA try to qualify in WCS EU, I bet that no NA player would qualify. I am from EU and I do agree that the EU WCS is looking really good. The NA WCS however is an utter and complete joke, which really hurts the scene overall as a big part (majority?) of the viewers come from NA. Isn't there still about a 50/50 ratio of foreigners to Koreans in the main tournament? That is what Blizzard thinks we want to see.
For season 1 sure, but the next season is when the shit truly hits the fan. 16 players were seeded purely because of their placement in NA WCS 2012, not because they can compete against koreans.
Unless Blizzard changes the rules, season 2 will be more than half Koreans at the very least. Every season after that, their share will only grow.
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On April 22 2013 01:03 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:56 SayTT wrote:On April 22 2013 00:47 Bagi wrote:On April 22 2013 00:40 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 00:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
They took our job ! This!! says it all Yeah because it's all xenophobia, not people trying to create a sustainable SC2 scene. Because if you think people will forever watch KR vs KR, well, with the way things are evolving I can only hope you are right. Speak for yourself, the player pool in EU is better than ever. If we disregard the Korean and had all the Americans in WCS NA try to qualify in WCS EU, I bet that no NA player would qualify. I am from EU and I do agree that the EU WCS is looking really good. The NA WCS however is an utter and complete joke, which really hurts the scene overall as a big part (majority?) of the viewers come from NA.
Its hard to compare the two.. but i do think EU base is wider and therefore stronger. In EU every game u get a descent opponent, ofcourse against topkoreans they will most likely loose, but in a eliminationbracket all bets are off.. 1 mistake and your out of the tournament.. Its hard to play 15 perfect games in 1 evening against farily skilled players, even for topkoreans..
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