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On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget.
It's not a matter of taking money back or taking wins, it's a matter of actually watching foreigners in a foreigner tournament... if i wanna watch korean only tournaments I'll watch Code S. The market for that was already set, we still got to watch foreigners at other events. Right now it's looking pretty grim... we'll have 6 months with foreigners still competing, after that it will be all korean in NA, Korea and even EU should see the wave coming.
Something like 8 korean players out of the 24 players would be way more appropriate than this stupid shit they're feeding us. I'm willing to bet WCS NA stream numbers will go down once there's no foreigners left... that's not good for anyone.. not even korean players.
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better players get a code s spot over up and cumming semipros
You could say...that they have to stop jerking off.
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On April 21 2013 23:43 Ireniicas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:17 rename wrote:
People still arguing about region locks... geez.
The region locks are 100% unnecessary, this will likely be the only season where koreans can play online from korea, and after that its either bye-bye proleague/gstl or bye-bye WCS EZ
Thanks for your insight. It does help the here and now
Talking about the current format when it's already decided and ongoing is pretty pointless. He talks about the future which is what we should be talking about. Or are you suggesting that we throw out all the Korean's and implement a region lock in the middle of the season? The discussion would be better if people focused on realistic changes for future seasons instead of just whining about how this is ruining the foreign scene (which is far from certain). Sure it's fine to analyze what's currently going on, but don't pretend it's actually helping anything.
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On April 22 2013 00:06 Topzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget. It's not a matter of taking money back or taking wins, it's a matter of actually watching foreigners in a foreigner tournament... if i wanna watch korean only tournaments I'll watch Code S. The market for that was already set, we still got to watch foreigners at other events. Right now it's looking pretty grim... we'll have 6 months with foreigners still competing, after that it will be all korean in NA, Korea and even EU should see the wave coming. Something like 8 korean players out of the 24 players would be way more appropriate than this stupid shit they're feeding us. I'm willing to bet WCS NA stream numbers will go down once there's no foreigners left... that's not good for anyone.. not even korean players.
Yeah it's not like MLG's and Dreamhacks have had good viewer numbers in 2012 with Korean's taking most of the top spots. Oh wait...
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On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:57 Xercen wrote:
People whining about how koreans are taking money back to korea.
Meanwhile in NA, ROOTgaming holds a 24 fundraiser and nets 25,000 dollars.
A few more of them and ROOT is sorted.
There are plenty of fans that support the scene on NA and EU and they support the players.
If other teams hold fundraisers as well im sure they will be well supported.
Koreans don't get as much love. Koreans work hard and they get whined at for taking winnings they work so hard for back home.
It's a complete joke. Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget.
I think the problem is really that foreign players might say..."well I can't compete with the koreans whats the point of putting in the effort to play, or even become a pro. I'll just go to college." Sure root got money but you can't live on donations, then you become a parasite. If there are plenty of fans, why not ban koreans who don't live in the US from playing in this thing. I feel really sad to potentially see Koreans show up and take all those qualify spots. They still have MLG and dreamhacks to win. I am not anti korean, I love the GSL and proleague and GSTL. But I also want to see foreigner players win things.
P.S I hate using the word foreigner because no one is foreign to a video game unless they haven't played it, and koreans didn't make SC II. D.B did.
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On April 22 2013 00:08 HeeroFX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 21 2013 23:57 Xercen wrote:
People whining about how koreans are taking money back to korea.
Meanwhile in NA, ROOTgaming holds a 24 fundraiser and nets 25,000 dollars.
A few more of them and ROOT is sorted.
There are plenty of fans that support the scene on NA and EU and they support the players.
If other teams hold fundraisers as well im sure they will be well supported.
Koreans don't get as much love. Koreans work hard and they get whined at for taking winnings they work so hard for back home.
It's a complete joke. Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget. I think the problem is really that foreign players might say..."well I can't compete with the koreans whats the point of putting in the effort to play, or even become a pro. I'll just go to college." Sure root got money but you can't live on donations, then you become a parasite. If there are plenty of fans, why not ban koreans who don't live in the US from playing in this thing. I feel really sad to potentially see Koreans show up and take all those qualify spots. They still have MLG and dreamhacks to win. I am not anti korean, I love the GSL and proleague and GSTL. But I also want to see foreigner players win things. P.S I hate using the word foreigner because no one is foreign to a video game unless they haven't played it, and koreans didn't make SC II. D.B did.
Then foreigners have to step up their game.
I just want to see great Starcraft, if it's Korean vs Korean, so be it.
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If all the whiners are right by saying a code s NA should be for NA-peeps.. then ill bet will see higher viewerratings at code B NA then at code s NA wont we? They wont, we all know that... its like the same if cba attracts more viewers then the NBA.. noway!
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Lol, calm down guys, Incontroll got this! 
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On April 22 2013 00:08 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:06 Topzerg wrote:On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget. It's not a matter of taking money back or taking wins, it's a matter of actually watching foreigners in a foreigner tournament... if i wanna watch korean only tournaments I'll watch Code S. The market for that was already set, we still got to watch foreigners at other events. Right now it's looking pretty grim... we'll have 6 months with foreigners still competing, after that it will be all korean in NA, Korea and even EU should see the wave coming. Something like 8 korean players out of the 24 players would be way more appropriate than this stupid shit they're feeding us. I'm willing to bet WCS NA stream numbers will go down once there's no foreigners left... that's not good for anyone.. not even korean players. Yeah it's not like MLG's and Dreamhacks have had good viewer numbers in 2012 with Korean's taking most of the top spots. Oh wait...
Last time I checked, foreigners were still competing in the tournament and taking games off. At one point NA will end up being 30 koreans to like 2 foreigners, different worlds.
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On April 22 2013 00:14 govie wrote:
If all the whiners are right by saying a code s NA should be for NA-peeps.. then ill bet will see higher viewerratings at code B NA then at code s NA wont we? They wont, we all know that... its like the same if cba attracts more viewers then the NBA.. noway!
lol... 8 koreans, 24 foreigners.. that's balance. and much more fun than 32 koreans or 32 foreigners in a NA tournament. Code S is already there if you want 32 koreans.
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On April 22 2013 00:20 Topzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:08 nihlon wrote:On April 22 2013 00:06 Topzerg wrote:On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget. It's not a matter of taking money back or taking wins, it's a matter of actually watching foreigners in a foreigner tournament... if i wanna watch korean only tournaments I'll watch Code S. The market for that was already set, we still got to watch foreigners at other events. Right now it's looking pretty grim... we'll have 6 months with foreigners still competing, after that it will be all korean in NA, Korea and even EU should see the wave coming. Something like 8 korean players out of the 24 players would be way more appropriate than this stupid shit they're feeding us. I'm willing to bet WCS NA stream numbers will go down once there's no foreigners left... that's not good for anyone.. not even korean players. Yeah it's not like MLG's and Dreamhacks have had good viewer numbers in 2012 with Korean's taking most of the top spots. Oh wait... Last time I checked, foreigners were still competing in the tournament and taking games off. At one point NA will end up being 30 koreans to like 2 foreigners, different worlds.
By the time we get there, they would have to permanently reside in NA.
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On April 21 2013 15:35 xiaomajia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:16 eXigent. wrote:On April 21 2013 15:05 xiaomajia wrote:
The Chinese player FruitBasket was a amateur, but got replaced by a Chinese progamer during the tournament. Looking forward to see how MLG will deal about this. Can you provide more details? What exactly do you mean? Someone smurfed on his account? At the beginning of the tournament, a Chinese amateur "FruitBasket" get into the bracket, played first round himself and 2:1 win,then he posted the result on Chinese forum(http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-1114030-1-2.html). But after that, because many Chinese progamer have not get into the bracket(check this post:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408776), "FruitBasket" gave his account to a Chinese progamer, let him have a chance to play in this tournament. tl;dr: the FruitBasket who is playing in the tournament now is not the same person who checked in at the beginning of the tournament. MLG can make a comparison between the first round's replay and the latest replays, then they will know the answer.
It is true. All of the things in China is fake, fake ID , fake photo ID , fake certificate , even the life is fake. But your ID is fake as well. PLU noob reckon you are NeoTV.YuXiaoGang then trolling in NTV forum. It is so funny, I like how Chinese fight with each other.
But seriously, this guy's story is true. FruitBasket give his ID to IG.COMM in order to attend this match. IG team didn't get the chance to join this party at beginning because of the loser team leader IG.Edision.
IG team leader go to make complain with WCS NA BOSS, but it is so funny that the fault obviously comes from IG end.
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On April 22 2013 00:23 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:20 Topzerg wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 nihlon wrote:On April 22 2013 00:06 Topzerg wrote:On April 21 2013 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Taking money back to Korea, geez. Yeah all those Koreans are getting paid sooooo much already. Most of them aren't even getting a salary whereas EG continues to brag that one of it's players is paid more a year than the entire Axiom budget. It's not a matter of taking money back or taking wins, it's a matter of actually watching foreigners in a foreigner tournament... if i wanna watch korean only tournaments I'll watch Code S. The market for that was already set, we still got to watch foreigners at other events. Right now it's looking pretty grim... we'll have 6 months with foreigners still competing, after that it will be all korean in NA, Korea and even EU should see the wave coming. Something like 8 korean players out of the 24 players would be way more appropriate than this stupid shit they're feeding us. I'm willing to bet WCS NA stream numbers will go down once there's no foreigners left... that's not good for anyone.. not even korean players. Yeah it's not like MLG's and Dreamhacks have had good viewer numbers in 2012 with Korean's taking most of the top spots. Oh wait... Last time I checked, foreigners were still competing in the tournament and taking games off. At one point NA will end up being 30 koreans to like 2 foreigners, different worlds. By the time we get there, they would have to permanently reside in NA.
Exactly. If they go to a round of 32 that is all offline that is run like the GSL, there is no way they will be able to live in Korea. I for one support this because having Korean players live here and play will only raise the level of the current NA talent. There were several players who took games off of Koreans and they would only be better if they could practice on the Korean server.
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Just want to point out a few things.
-All these koreans who "are invading and taking our money" are playing for foreign teams.
-Next season all of the premier league will probably be played offline.
-There is no way in hell Kespa players will leave Korea.
-Most esf players can't leave korea either.
-There is a good amount of American players in the first season.
-A lot of things will change next season(Blizz and foreign teams should have some talks and decide).
So let's just enjoy watching americans getting raped and have some good laughs :D
Things will eventually get better though so don't worry!
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On April 22 2013 00:02 ZenithM wrote:
If someone could provide a definition for "storyline" in Liquipedia, I would be grateful.
As I understand it, we use the word as such: when a random no-name foreigner nobody has ever heard of wins a game against a somewhat known player, it's a great storyline. When badass super-skilled players (incidentally: Koreans) win, we put on the unhappy face and blame the lack of storyline.
As for actual stories, we don't care about those. Gotta have the sick storyline man.
Please provide me with great storyline examples so that I can have a better understanding of the concept ("storyline", that is).
Most people just don't care as much for Korean players, it has to be pretty obvious to anyone by now. The scene has to evolve outside Korea to survive, otherwise people will lose interest outside of the niche "I watch the game to see the best play possible"-scene, which is about the size of the BW scene before SC2 came along.
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On April 22 2013 00:29 Cricketer12 wrote:
Since when are Demuslim and incontrol "top" foreigner favorites?
Demuslim is better than all those other guys on the list, so I think that makes him the top favorite there.
Incontrol, maybe not the best player but I think many people would be happy if he advanced. After all he is a polarizing but popular figure in the scene.
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On April 21 2013 13:38 tozi wrote:
basically Catz was right in the state of the game episode.
Koreans dominate the "american" tournament leaving little to no chance for americans...
What, was this a surprise to anyone?
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Instead of 'foreigners' how about saying 'non-Koreans'? It's the same number of letters and more accurate.
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