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Four Koreans qualify from WCS AM Prelim Day 1 - Page 14

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Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 11:37:41
April 21 2013 11:34 GMT
#261
If I am from NA, I would be really pissed about that :D Luckily on EU we can watch our players play it out, of course there are some exceptions, but still it's a mostly EU tournament. They should have made something that NA looks similar, but Blizz even invited so many Koreans to Premier Divison. This is so ridicoulus...

They shoul just make the restriction that you have to play in the region you live...
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 11:45:24
April 21 2013 11:34 GMT
#262
On April 21 2013 13:41 GrapeApe wrote:
Wow, pretty lame. I'd have to agreed with catz before this and really agree with him after.


I do not. There are allready alot of NA peeps in the code s (do not forget). WHat i do feel sorry for ar the guys on NA-GM ladder. But then again, ladderpoints does not give anything or show anything. Next to that, NA has a 15 year old playing (xeno), that i really like to watch on stream. But how in the hell can he compete in code s when heromarine (15 i beleive) can not compete in code s EU? WHen is something childlabour in NA?

I still hope sage, demuslim macsed and qxc go threw tho..
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
April 21 2013 11:45 GMT
#263
What happened to IdrA?
h0munkulus
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1481 Posts
April 21 2013 11:47 GMT
#264
He got a direct invite into premiere divison. You be the judge if this was because of his name, or recent perfomances.
Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
April 21 2013 11:48 GMT
#265
On April 21 2013 20:34 govie wrote:
[But how in the hell can he compete in code s when heromarine (15 i beleive) can not compete in code s EU? WHen is something childlabour in NA?

Woah...
Vesimias
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland135 Posts
April 21 2013 11:59 GMT
#266
On April 21 2013 20:45 llIH wrote:
What happened to IdrA?

He is already seeded into the premier league.
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revoN
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan804 Posts
April 21 2013 12:07 GMT
#267
I wonder why JaeDong didn't get an invite when a player like NesTea did. But I guess the entire invite system is broken. I'd rather they all qualified the hard (or easy for most Koreans) way.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 21 2013 12:09 GMT
#268
On April 21 2013 21:07 revoN wrote:
I wonder why JaeDong didn't get an invite when a player like NesTea did. But I guess the entire invite system is broken. I'd rather they all qualified the hard (or easy for most Koreans) way.


Because he has no results to back a seed up! (i actually agree with this....amagad)
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Pedrombom
Profile Joined February 2013
Portugal4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 12:16:05
April 21 2013 12:14 GMT
#269
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 21 2013 12:36 GMT
#270
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.


My opinion exactly. But even as it is, it is already a slap in the face of every GSL participant that these two tournaments are weighed the same. There are at least 30 GSL players who are all better than the third best player in WCS NA (only HerO and Polt can be considered Code S level) and yet the price pool is the same. It is like giving the same money and reputation to the NBA and the German basketball League.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 12:50:53
April 21 2013 12:45 GMT
#271
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.

Uh this was a pretty offensive thing to say, both for the Special Olympics and to NA pros.

And anyways, prizes are commensurate with the fans, not the skill of the players. If Korea WCS has 5x as many viewers as NA WCS, then yes, the winner of Korea WCS should get 5x the money.

I will say that WCS is trying to walk the fine line between cultivating a foreign audience and providing the highest quality of games. Some fans are resisting this urge to cheer for any Korean, but I think if NA fans can get behind rooting for players like Polt or Nestea as their representative, this can work to make the regions more competitive. Empirically, the regions are NOT competitive if we take a hard line on residency. Korea will win, like they won WCS last year and win WCG every year. I think it would help if these players made a stronger effort to say they want to be the NA representative and not just for money or because the competition is easier.

This isn't unprecedented in sports. Lionel Messi is the face of both Argentine soccer and FC Barcelona. Pau Gasol is the go-to guy for Spanish basketball and the Los Angeles Lakers. Maria Sharapova represented Russia in the Olympics but has lived in the United States for 3/4 of her life (in fairness, many US tennis fans are NOT happy with Sharapova).
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
April 21 2013 12:45 GMT
#272
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.

Totally disagree, they should region lock it so that people contributing to each scene are in the pool. If Korean players, such as Code A or Code B feel their chances are better in NA, they should start contributing to the NA scene, and by that raising the competition and skill level of the whole of NA.

Just swooping into each scene and taking all the money just fucks up the scenes that are already behind. If you want NA and EU to compete in any realistic manner, at some point a rope has to be thrown and the scenes given chance to develop.
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
April 21 2013 12:48 GMT
#273
On April 21 2013 21:45 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.

Totally disagree, they should region lock it so that people contributing to each scene are in the pool. If Korean players, such as Code A or Code B feel their chances are better in NA, they should start contributing to the NA scene, and by that raising the competition and skill level of the whole of NA.

Just swooping into each scene and taking all the money just fucks up the scenes that are already behind. If you want NA and EU to compete in any realistic manner, at some point a rope has to be thrown and the scenes given chance to develop.


Could not agree more
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
April 21 2013 12:50 GMT
#274
Let the boredom begin!
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
April 21 2013 12:57 GMT
#275
On April 21 2013 15:19 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 15:15 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On April 21 2013 15:12 JJH777 wrote:
On April 21 2013 15:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 21 2013 15:07 JJH777 wrote:
Expected and good news. I am not even slightly interested in watching WCS EU aside from the days MVP plays and even then watching him play with a huge amount of lag will be very sad.

WCS EU was one of the better tournaments I can recall, but hey people have different tastes


I didn't watch any of the WCS tournaments aside from Korea, Asia, and the finals. I know it got a lot of hype for it's production values and storyline but I don't really care about either of those things at least not for the players that were at that event. Even for GSL I almost always mute the stream and switch tabs in-between games because that is all I care about.


You realize that you are a minority viewer correct? WCS EU had numbers that were on par with WCS Finals, a tournament that had zero Koreans.

There is a very large audience that wants to watch foreigners play.


MLG was all Korean from the top 8 on and had more viewers than WCS EU. Let's see how WCS KR compares in viewers (at least for the numbers we get to see) to WCS EU.


Right now WCS KR (GSL Code S) have about 23-28k viewers everything i check. I believe WCS EU Premier qualifiers had the same amount of viewers if you counted all Streams. WCS NA Premier qualifiers had about same amount of viewers as Code S.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#276
On April 21 2013 21:45 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.

Totally disagree, they should region lock it so that people contributing to each scene are in the pool. If Korean players, such as Code A or Code B feel their chances are better in NA, they should start contributing to the NA scene, and by that raising the competition and skill level of the whole of NA.

Just swooping into each scene and taking all the money just fucks up the scenes that are already behind. If you want NA and EU to compete in any realistic manner, at some point a rope has to be thrown and the scenes given chance to develop.


So should the NBA divide their money and fame evenly between Europe, USA and Asia? Should NBA players go to Korea and raise the Basketball competition level there so that the scene there can develop?
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
April 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#277
Fruitsbasket is Comm the wcs champion of china 2012. He changed his id around Feb.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 21 2013 13:00 GMT
#278
On April 21 2013 21:58 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 21:45 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.

Totally disagree, they should region lock it so that people contributing to each scene are in the pool. If Korean players, such as Code A or Code B feel their chances are better in NA, they should start contributing to the NA scene, and by that raising the competition and skill level of the whole of NA.

Just swooping into each scene and taking all the money just fucks up the scenes that are already behind. If you want NA and EU to compete in any realistic manner, at some point a rope has to be thrown and the scenes given chance to develop.


So should the NBA divide their money and fame evenly between Europe, USA and Asia? Should NBA players go to Korea and raise the Basketball competition level there so that the scene there can develop?


Or better even. Should the NBA devote most of there resources to the western conference just because they win more championships?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
April 21 2013 13:03 GMT
#279
YES, Oz fighting!
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
April 21 2013 13:07 GMT
#280
On April 21 2013 21:58 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 21:45 Zarahtra wrote:
On April 21 2013 21:14 Pedrombom wrote:
If you want NA players only to play in their qualifiers, the prize pool would have to be massively reduced. Compared to the Korean qualifiers, NA's is like the special olympics. 100k prize pool to low tier players is a slap in the face to Koreans when they have to compete against high tier players. Îf this qualifier was NA only with low caliber players and the prize pool was something like 5-10k, there would be no problem.

Totally disagree, they should region lock it so that people contributing to each scene are in the pool. If Korean players, such as Code A or Code B feel their chances are better in NA, they should start contributing to the NA scene, and by that raising the competition and skill level of the whole of NA.

Just swooping into each scene and taking all the money just fucks up the scenes that are already behind. If you want NA and EU to compete in any realistic manner, at some point a rope has to be thrown and the scenes given chance to develop.


So should the NBA divide their money and fame evenly between Europe, USA and Asia? Should NBA players go to Korea and raise the Basketball competition level there so that the scene there can develop?

That depends on their goals. I believe NBA doesn't in any way have the same goals as Blizzard. I'm guessing the incentive with the WCS was to push SC2 back into relevance in esports. That requires NA/EU, which requires familiar faces, storylines etc etc. You don't get those by just having korean#213 swooping in, killing everything and taking the price pool.

As an example, personally I thought(apart from the abyssmal production) the early MLGs were byfar more fun that 2012 ones, with my favourite probably when Jinro won.
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