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On April 19 2013 05:37 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 05:35 Grovbolle wrote:On April 19 2013 05:33 Prplppleatr wrote:
I really wish you would of seperated HOTS and WoL results...so much of this is still coming off of WoL, so quite frankly I think it means nothing until we get more results in HOTS and WoL is diluted out. If we did, then the ratings would have NO validity what so ever. We have less than 2K hots matches. Someone already linked TLPD HotS, which has Empire Happy as the best player IN THE WORLD That's my point. We don't have enough results...so until we can get more results and dilute WoL out, it really has no meaning as to the current state.
So you just want us to make no prediction whatsoever in 6 months? 
If so, then just ignore anything we do for the next couple of months, then when we have a lot of results, we can discuss if we want to separate the two
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On April 19 2013 05:39 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 05:37 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 19 2013 05:35 Grovbolle wrote:On April 19 2013 05:33 Prplppleatr wrote:
I really wish you would of seperated HOTS and WoL results...so much of this is still coming off of WoL, so quite frankly I think it means nothing until we get more results in HOTS and WoL is diluted out. If we did, then the ratings would have NO validity what so ever. We have less than 2K hots matches. Someone already linked TLPD HotS, which has Empire Happy as the best player IN THE WORLD That's my point. We don't have enough results...so until we can get more results and dilute WoL out, it really has no meaning as to the current state. So you just want us to make no prediction whatsoever in 6 months? If so, then just ignore anything we do for the next couple of months, then when we have a lot of results, we can discuss if we want to separate the two
LOL, what? I never said anything to that point. What you guys are doing is great. I'm simply pointing out the obvious, to those who can't recognize it, so that they don't take this as such fact. It is statistics based on a lack of information for the state of HOTS. Make all the predictions you want (I already have for WCS NA), but it should be warned (as I am doing) that these are less reliable than they were in WoL (because of the lack of information).
IE. statistics are great, but they are dangerous - especially when based on a lack of information. People should take this with more of a grain of salt.
@conti, agreed. However, the reason I said that I wanted to see a separation is because it would make people confused and more inclined to see why (look at details). Then realize that there is a lack of information, which is the truth. I have nothing against you guys for making a post to say the leading race (based on your site) has changed, but people need to realize the details of the situation and not make such crazy assumptions and interpretations (already one closed post because of it, lol). Again, great job to everyone at aligulac, appreciate it, I didn't mean any offense or anything negative to what you are doing. I just know that some people never bother with details, so I try to add information so they may realize it.
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On April 19 2013 05:33 Empedocles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 05:25 dani` wrote:On April 19 2013 05:02 MCXD wrote:
Anyway, TheBB used the system to do his liquibetting last season, and won. So technically it's already done better than most people's subjective analysis of player skill. Don't Liquibet winners get some special icon next to their name (TheBB doesn't have one)? Not sure i thought special icons came from having lots of posts and/or interesting posts, not sure though :D
no special icons from lots of posts D:
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On April 19 2013 05:46 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 05:39 Grovbolle wrote:On April 19 2013 05:37 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 19 2013 05:35 Grovbolle wrote:On April 19 2013 05:33 Prplppleatr wrote:
I really wish you would of seperated HOTS and WoL results...so much of this is still coming off of WoL, so quite frankly I think it means nothing until we get more results in HOTS and WoL is diluted out. If we did, then the ratings would have NO validity what so ever. We have less than 2K hots matches. Someone already linked TLPD HotS, which has Empire Happy as the best player IN THE WORLD That's my point. We don't have enough results...so until we can get more results and dilute WoL out, it really has no meaning as to the current state. So you just want us to make no prediction whatsoever in 6 months? If so, then just ignore anything we do for the next couple of months, then when we have a lot of results, we can discuss if we want to separate the two LOL, what? I never said anything to that point. What you guys are doing is great. I'm simply pointing out the obvious, to those who can't recognize it, so that they don't take this as such fact. It is statistics based on a lack of information for the state of HOTS. Make all the predictions you want (I already have for WCS NA), but it should be warned (as I am doing) that these are less reliable than they were in WoL (because of the lack of information). IE. statistics are great, but they are dangerous - especially when based on a lack of information. People should take this with more of a grain of salt.
People should. They should take any kind of statistics with more of a grain of salt, in fact.
But as for this ranking and HotS, keeping the WoL games in proves to offer a far more reliable ranking than taking just the HotS games themselves. There will always be a new expansion, or a new patch, or a new metagame, that will make most of the previous games "obsolete", so to speak. But, for the most part, these players are good (or bad) because of their skill, and not because of WoL or the current patch version.
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On April 19 2013 05:02 MCXD wrote:Also, TheBB used the system to do his liquibetting and is (was?) leading in winrate. So technically it's already done better than most people's subjective analysis of player skill, despite its flaws.
For a while I had a winrate roughly equal to the leader of the LB rank. I was never actually leading since I jumped into the season late. That blog was posted before the Up and Downs, where we didn't do so well. Another guy posted earlier in this thread that he used Aligulac to get to top 20 with no problems, which agrees with what I found. I didn't keep it up (too lazy/irregular) so I will not win LB, now or ever.
So in its current state, I feel very few can legitimately claim that Aligulac tells them nothing they didn't already know. But for sure it's possible to beat it if you know what you're doing.
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What if we could get 50 of us fans to pledge $10 each for a best of 7 show match between ForGG and Flash? Someone awesome like Husky would probably cast it for free. That could help move points from EU to Kespa and would be fun to watch.
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You should try to find the most underrated player possible  . That would have the biggest effect. Maybe Gumiho.
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Who is the most underrated Kespa player?
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Hmm, Bisu is currently at a measly 213st place, due to him not doing all too well in WoL. He seems to be pretty good in HotS though, and he sure as hell is better than a lot of those 212 other dudes.
Also, it's Bisu. So I vote Bisu!
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On April 19 2013 06:29 Salient wrote:
What if we could get 50 of us fans to pledge $10 each for a best of 7 show match between ForGG and Flash? Someone awesome like Husky would probably cast it for free. That could help move points from EU to Kespa and would be fun to watch.
Not sure if it is that easy, to get a kespa player to something like that. Especially with Proleague and Gsl ongoing, i don't see that happening.
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On April 19 2013 06:47 Conti wrote:
Hmm, Bisu is currently at a measly 213st place, due to him not doing all too well in WoL. He seems to be pretty good in HotS though, and he sure as hell is better than a lot of those 212 other dudes.
Also, it's Bisu. So I vote Bisu!
Good call. I think that you're right.
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ForGG world top4? Lucifron best foreigner?
This is simply wrong.
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I'm not sure how Zerg rule is toppled with more zergs than any other race including the #1 spot by far, but ok.
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On April 19 2013 06:59 Belha wrote:
ForGG world top4? Lucifron best foreigner?
This is simply wrong.
I swear to god that if one more person posts that without reading through the thread I am going to gauge out my own eye with a spoon.
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On April 19 2013 07:06 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 06:59 Belha wrote:
ForGG world top4? Lucifron best foreigner?
This is simply wrong. I swear to god that if one more person posts that without reading through the thread I am going to gauge out my own eye with a spoon.
Ooh! Ooh!
"Lucifron best foreigner???"
Huh? Huh?
Let's get King Lear up in the hizzy
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On April 19 2013 06:59 Belha wrote:
ForGG world top4? Lucifron best foreigner?
This is simply wrong.
It's a travesty, I know. How can ForGG not be #1? :/
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Damn, first time I see this website, really impressed with the amount of work put into it!
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On April 19 2013 00:27 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 00:24 DifuntO wrote:On April 18 2013 22:52 Grovbolle wrote:
ONLY WINS MATTER. Meaning that a win in an online qualifier Bo3 is the same as beating someone in Ro4 GSL.
Isn't this a big flaw of the ranking system? That depends, can you objectively rank matches simply based on the context in which they were played?
That would be similar to how teh old MTG system worked, different lvel of tournament had a different "K" value, meaning in bigger tournament the points swings would be bigger, while a pre release event would be K8 with a max of 8 points swing and only points for evenly matched players, a noral event would be k16, a GP k32, worlds k40.
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On April 19 2013 06:47 Conti wrote:
Hmm, Bisu is currently at a measly 213st place, due to him not doing all too well in WoL. He seems to be pretty good in HotS though, and he sure as hell is better than a lot of those 212 other dudes.
Also, it's Bisu. So I vote Bisu!
If he really does well, he will clim dont sorry, rankings are not an instant measurement of skill, you have to earn it
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Well that list looks absoutely inaccurate considering the koreans that are on it. Life is not surprising but the rest are. I wouldnt use this data for anything, TLPD ELO is way better.
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