EPTOn November 04 2016 08:12 Elentos wrote:
Aligulac has been acting up for me all week, is that a problem on my end?
Aligulac has been acting up for me all week, is that a problem on my end?
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Aligulac.com changelog and feedback thread - Page 27
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2220 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On November 16 2016 22:15 Edpayasugo wrote: Hi, I want to find all TvZ matches played on Apothoesis, is there a way to filter submissions to show this please? Nope, we do not have any kind of map-specific functionality or even map-related stat-tracking. It has come up in the past but our conclusion has always been that the drawbacks greatly outweigh the benefits, and as such it's not something that we plan on or have ever planned on implementing. Sorry. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2220 Posts
On November 16 2016 22:39 207aicila wrote: Nope, we do not have any kind of map-specific functionality or even map-related stat-tracking. It has come up in the past but our conclusion has always been that the drawbacks greatly outweigh the benefits, and as such it's not something that we plan on or have ever planned on implementing. Sorry. Ok, cool, thanks. I thought I'd done it before on aligulac or TL, but maybe I didn't. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On November 17 2016 02:26 Edpayasugo wrote: Ok, cool, thanks. I thought I'd done it before on aligulac or TL, but maybe I didn't. It's possible in TLPD. Like so. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Just because of moving to foreign scene and winning there a lot doesn't mean you are better than most of other Korean players... There is definitely much gap of difficulty to win a premier tournament between in foreign scene and korea. (not saying skill gap is huge) Kelazhur is a good terran but he is higher ranked than someone like Ryung, aLive, Polt, and Cure in that website.... and MarineLorD went 0-4 in kespa cup and couldn't even fight back against koreans like Solar and Trap and still MlorD is higher ranked than Trap... Nerchio is a best foreign zerg player and really close to top korean zergs, but he shouldn't be higher than Dark and other top korean zergs...... I don't understand at all how come he is ranked 4, even tho he is top 10, I would still say it's bit high for him. Simply, what did he won?? He didn't even beat any top players in Korea and even in foreign scene, he wasn't that dominant among foreigners. He won only single title (dreamhack) during whole 2016 even only in foreign scene. I am 100% sure this website made by a foreigner, but sorry, I just can see too many... even among foreign players ranking.... I was laughing instantly when I saw Nerchio is ranked 4.. I understand about Neeb's high rank, he deserves cuz he defeated top Koreans in kespa cup which is offline, but Nerchio... only beated Korean through online bo1 matches.... what makes you make him ranked 4? Did he ever beated any korean in bo3 or 5 in offline recently?? No. He may beated most of other foreigners, but that doesn't make him rank 4 in the whole rating.... Is this can be 'the foreign bias is real as always'? 4Head User was warned for this post | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On November 18 2016 07:17 TheHumanLife wrote: I found this ranking system totally doesn't make any sense... how come Hydra is higher ranked than someone like Zest, and many other top koreans??? And also, TRUE, when he was in Korea he was ranked really low, and right after he went to foreign scene and won WCS very easily, he became so high ranked...... Just because of moving to foreign scene and winning there a lot doesn't mean you are better than most of other Korean players... There is definitely much gap of difficulty to win a premier tournament between in foreign scene and korea. (not saying skill gap is huge) Kelazhur is a good foreigner terran but he is higher ranked than someone like Ryung, aLive, Polt, and Cure in that website.... and MarineLorD went 0-4 in kespa cup and couldn't even fight back against koreans like Solar and Trap and still MlorD is higher ranked than Trap... Nerchio is a best foreign zerg player and really close to top korean zergs, but he shouldn't be higher than Dark and other top korean zergs...... I don't understand at all how come he is ranked 4, even tho he is top 10, I would still say it's bit high for him. Simply, what did he won?? He didn't even beat any top players in Korea I am 100% sure this website made by a foreigner, but sorry, I just can see too many... even among foreign players ranking.... I was laughing instantly when I saw Nerchio is ranked 4.. I understand about Neeb's high rank, he deserves cuz he defeated top Koreans in kespa cup which is offline, but Nerchio... only beated Korean through online bo1 matches.... what makes you make him ranked 4? Did he ever beated any korean in bo3 or 5 in offline recently?? No. He may beated most of other foreigners, but that doesn't make him rank 4 in the whole rating.... Is this can be 'the foreign bias is real as always'? 4Head First of all, keep your memes to /r/the_donald or to twitch. Nobody has time for these. Second, all of your remarks have been covered in the past and they are inherent flaws of the system that cannot be adressed unless you want to split the scene calculations which won't ever happen, especially not now that Korea has abandonned the ship. Tl;DR : Blah Blah Blah ... tell me something I don't know. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
First of all, keep your memes to /r/the_donald or to twitch. Nobody has time for these. Second, all of your remarks have been covered in the past and they are inherent flaws of the system that cannot be adressed unless you want to split the scene calculations which won't ever happen, especially not now that Korea has abandonned the ship. Tl;DR : Blah Blah Blah ... tell me something I don't know. I am pretty sure, even among foreigners, nobody care much about this system. And, through HSC today, I noticed there is a rating website such as that Aligulac. When I saw the ratings... I instantly noticed, this is somthing cannot be trusted. They don't care about online tournament, offline tournament, and minor offline tournament, and GSL code S. Kelazhur is more rated than Ryung, Polt, and Cure... (let's be honest. he is a great terran, but he's not better than them.) Only low league players who is unfamilar with sc2 will believe and trust this website. "Oh well, then I might bet on this player today." And get RIPPED  | ||
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Prillan
Sweden350 Posts
On November 18 2016 08:13 TheHumanLife wrote: I am pretty sure, even among foreigners, nobody care much about this system. And, through HSC today, I noticed there is a rating website such as that Aligulac. When I saw the ratings... I instantly noticed, this is somthing cannot be trusted. They don't care about online tournament, offline tournament, and minor offline tournament, and GSL code S. Kelazhur is more rated than Ryung, Polt, and Cure... (let's be honest. he is a great terran, but he's not better than them.) Only low league players who is unfamilar with sc2 will believe and trust this website. "Oh well, then I might bet on this player today." And get RIPPED The system is designed by using fairly simple mathematical principles to be as accurate as possible when predicting outcomes. The ranking is a side effect of that. It's in no way constructed to agree with the current "people's choice", or hyped player of the month, but rather as something that is not affected at all by opinion. By having that you can be sure that the system can be trusted, based on the parameters which define it. Trying to read more into the output of the computation than the definition provides could be considered an error on the user's side. Example: Glicko 2*, which Aligulac uses, has the problem that it won't properly rank people that play in different clusters (e.g EU vs KR). The algorithm is not built to handle that. However, since it's nice to have a world ranking, we still provide it. The consequence of these two points is that the ranking only matters as long as the players you're comparing play in the same cluster. When they do, it's fairly accurate. Trying to solve the clustering problem is something both TheBB and I wanted to do, but we never found the time to actually do it. I'm a bit sad about that. * Actually, CSGO matchmaking suffers from the same problem where some players rank up to Global Elite (highest rank) by just playing the less popular maps. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
The system is designed by using fairly simple mathematical principles to be as accurate as possible when predicting outcomes. The ranking is a side effect of that. It's in no way constructed to agree with the current "people's choice", or hyped player of the month, but rather as something that is not affected at all by opinion. By having that you can be sure that the system can be trusted, based on the parameters which define it. Trying to read more into the output of the computation than the definition provides could be considered an error on the user's side. Example: Glicko 2*, which Aligulac uses, has the problem that it won't properly rank people that play in different clusters (e.g EU vs KR). The algorithm is not built to handle that. However, since it's nice to have a world ranking, we still provide it. The consequence of these two points is that the ranking only matters as long as the players you're comparing play in the same cluster. When they do, it's fairly accurate. Trying to solve the clustering problem is something both TheBB and I wanted to do, but we never found the time to actually do it. I'm a bit sad about that. * Actually, CSGO matchmaking suffers from the same problem where some players rank up to Global Elite (highest rank) by just playing the less popular maps. yea exactly as I thought. Just pure results and trying to rate by opponents, but threat all tournaments as same(because it is hard to rate with calculation) It's still really tough to make skill ratio by rank, and calculation system will make error of skill ratings. KR vs World still seems not even close. (foreigners were still able to beat top koreans back in WOL and HOTS) It should be made with KR ratio and Foreign ratio separately. I can see that from someone like Hydra and TRUE who were hyped by joining foreign scene... (TRUE had only 300 WCS points in Korea right before joining WCS Circuit) and he's ranked 17th now just because he moved to foreign scene and winning WCS with great win ratio there... And, some other Korean zergs, who is usually better than TRUE and had better results and win ratio than TRUE when he was in Korea, is lower ranked just because they are playing in much harder tournaments with lower win ratio than TRUE has in foreign scene... I really think it is unfair way to rank it. (by seeing Hydra is ranked 12 there... I know it is calculation by a system, so it has nothing to do with you guys decisions) However, still there are information ppl can refer to, such as players' general win ratio, and other results. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
They're approved now, I'm pretty sure it's week 9, match 5 (440 vs TeS) and week 8, match 3 (440 vs isImba acad). | ||
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:36 InfCereal wrote: I submitted some Wardi TL games the other week, and they never got added. I'm 99% sure it's because the liquipedia link I used as a source didn't have the edits approved yet. They're approved now, I'm pretty sure it's week 9, match 5 (440 vs TeS) and week 8, match 3 (440 vs isImba acad). Just added them for you  . Havent been able to pay attention to WTL since the scheduling have been so messy | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/earnings/ Should be $35,656 according to liquipedia | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On September 21 2017 05:03 pvsnp wrote: INnoVation's earnings page is missing the money he got from winning the most recent GSL http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/earnings/ Should be $35,656 according to liquipedia He also miss the 425$ he earned in OG 6 start, it may not have been regular mod (it was the 6 workers start mod) but it's still sc2 and it was real monney... so I think it belongs in his earnings http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/OG_6_Start_4 | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On September 21 2017 07:08 Mun_Su wrote: I don't think those should be added, Aligulac's primary purpose is to track performance in standard SC2 matches, it's not Esportsearnings.4 He also miss the 425$ he earned in OG 6 start, it may not have been regular mod (it was the 6 workers start mod) but it's still sc2 and it was real monney... so I think it belongs in his earnings http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/OG_6_Start_4 | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On September 21 2017 07:41 bduddy wrote: I don't think those should be added, Aligulac's primary purpose is to track performance in standard SC2 matches, it's not Esportsearnings. We do however track earnings pretty accurately (at least we did last I was involved a few years ago) :-) | ||
Poopi
France13011 Posts
The last 4 results of this profile don't belong to this player (hinO, spacemarine, mperorm, spacemarine games), but to this one : http://aligulac.com/players/1287-Poopi/ (me) I had to create another ESL account to participate in go4sc2 because I didn't have access to my old ESL account email, I think the new one has Grimbergen in it and my ingame name is Grimbergen as well, so it might be why my LotV go4sc2 games were added to the wrong aligulac profile, but is it possible to fix this? | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 21 2017 20:24 Poopi wrote: http://aligulac.com/players/13451-Grimbergen/ The last 4 results of this profile don't belong to this player (hinO, spacemarine, mperorm, spacemarine games), but to this one : http://aligulac.com/players/1287-Poopi/ (me) I had to create another ESL account to participate in go4sc2 because I didn't have access to my old ESL account email, I think the new one has Grimbergen in it and my ingame name is Grimbergen as well, so it might be why my LotV go4sc2 games were added to the wrong aligulac profile, but is it possible to fix this? Yes it's fairly easy to fix. In the same go4sc2 #665 there is also a match against Justix. I assume that one needs to be changed as well yeah? | ||
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