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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
March 15 2013 07:47 GMT
#201
Didn't saw it coming (or is it 'see' ?), but not surprised. At least it's cool to see they Alex admit that part of his prime was when he used and abused an imbalanced build (I remember him slumping a bit after it wasn't good anymore).

And for all the machine/idra/incontrol haters, if I follow your logic, EG has to release their entire sc2 team. Haters gonna hate anyway.
And maybe you didn't realised that maybe they accepted a new contract with less salary because of results, unlike Puma.
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
March 15 2013 07:49 GMT
#202
On March 15 2013 14:18 ILouieI wrote:
i'd pick him over incontrol


Sad, but true
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xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
March 15 2013 07:49 GMT
#203
i dont like this becose :

idra is slumping yet i dont think his contract gets lower .
when a player is slumping you help him not force him ... for idra you get a sport psihologist . for puma you lower his income rly ?? i start hating eg now
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Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
March 15 2013 07:53 GMT
#204
On March 15 2013 16:49 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 14:18 ILouieI wrote:
i'd pick him over incontrol


Sad, but true


As a player, sure but Incontrol has other qualities which a savvy business like EG value.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
March 15 2013 07:54 GMT
#205
On March 15 2013 16:49 xsnac wrote:
i dont like this becose :

idra is slumping yet i dont think his contract gets lower .
when a player is slumping you help him not force him ... for idra you get a sport psihologist . for puma you lower his income rly ?? i start hating eg now

You don't know if Idra has taken a salary cut due to performance. Last I checked EG, nor does any team, have to make a big post about cutting contracts with certain players. You even say your self you're unsure. Idra got the sport psychologist due to his rage/leaving games early. Not because he was in a slump.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
March 15 2013 07:55 GMT
#206
Since they mention statistics, idra/machine/huk/thorzain have all done worst than puma in the past year...soo...?
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Deadlyeye
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany14 Posts
March 15 2013 07:55 GMT
#207
well good luck for eg and puma.
the upside, maybe we see demuslim in proleague, in my eyes the most underrated eg member.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
March 15 2013 07:56 GMT
#208
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nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
March 15 2013 07:57 GMT
#209
Yet they keep the ever underperforming Huk, incontrol, and idra lol. I guess you can't beat that stream viewership , doesn't matter how many results those guys put up, they will still get paid more than the koreans that are way better.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 07:58:18
March 15 2013 07:57 GMT
#210
On March 15 2013 16:47 Sakray wrote:
And for all the machine/idra/incontrol haters, if I follow your logic, EG has to release their entire sc2 team. Haters gonna hate anyway.


That's not our logic, it's what they want us to believe is their logic. I don't hate idra, machine or incontrol. But PuMa has had better results in a month than these three had over their entire SC2 career. EG wants entertainers, not players.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
March 15 2013 08:00 GMT
#211
On March 15 2013 16:55 Sc2Null wrote:
Since they mention statistics, idra/machine/huk/thorzain have all done worst than puma in the past year...soo...?

I feel too many people aren't reading the entire OP and just jumping on the idea of "Puma cut because not doing good"

OP states that Puma was one of their highest paid Korean players, he was offered a smaller contract due to performance and said no. Thus resulting in the two splitting ways. Once again when bringing in other people on EG, you don't know how much anyone is getting contract wise. Perhaps EG offered them smaller contracts because of performance? And perhaps they took the offer! EG doesn't have to do a press release every time they renegotiate contracts with their players. It's not rocket science folks.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
March 15 2013 08:00 GMT
#212
On March 15 2013 16:57 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 16:47 Sakray wrote:
And for all the machine/idra/incontrol haters, if I follow your logic, EG has to release their entire sc2 team. Haters gonna hate anyway.


That's not our logic, it's what they want us to believe is their logic. I don't hate idra, machine or incontrol. But PuMa has had better results in a month than these three had over their entire SC2 career. EG wants entertainers, not players.


Yep. A lot of teams do. Why do you think casters even get sponsorships? Because they're about to win WCG in their spare time?

But hey. It's TL so "Burn the witch" "Down with money" "I hate foreigners" etc.
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iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
March 15 2013 08:02 GMT
#213
Fair enough. He'll find a new team soon, I think. Probably a foreign team again...
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
March 15 2013 08:02 GMT
#214
guess they dont have infinite money after all?
gl in the future puma, i really enjoyed watching you at the IEMs you attented
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
March 15 2013 08:03 GMT
#215
Regardless of people's opinion on it, I'm pretty thankful for EG to provide such clarity on why he was released. If more teams followed this instead of "amicably parted ways and wish each other the best" there would be much less dirtsheets and speculation in the community.

I hope Puma finds his way, as much as I hated what he did to the ladder as a Protoss player, I have to respect his accomplishments.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
March 15 2013 08:06 GMT
#216
So basically results only matter if you're Korean....
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
March 15 2013 08:07 GMT
#217
PuMa was my idol from NASL1, and was the model for Terran for me when I first started playing. Even though he is gone from EG, I hope he finds his way -- he is a talented player, and under the right hands, could be one of the greatest. I hope he finds his way back to that form.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
March 15 2013 08:08 GMT
#218
On March 15 2013 16:55 Sc2Null wrote:
Since they mention statistics, idra/machine/huk/thorzain have all done worst than puma in the past year...soo...?


I'm going to assume they were paying Puma a lot more than those players, especially from what was said in the article.
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
March 15 2013 08:09 GMT
#219
On March 15 2013 16:45 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 16:30 Canucklehead wrote:
On March 15 2013 15:02 Sikly wrote:
On March 15 2013 14:58 damahammer wrote:
seems like being Flash's practice partner is not enough :D
i think ppl overhyped this guy


Well, he won three tournies, placed second and third at multiple other tournies. When he was at the top he was probably the most threatening player in the world at foreign tournies. Seems like he was pretty appropriately hyped to me, but what do I know!


What you need to know is the level of competition puma faced at those foreign tournaments. He was one of the first koreans to join a foreign team, so was afforded the opportunity to go to a lot of foreign tourneys, which is an opportunity most koreans never got back then. Once more top tier koreans started going to those events, his results started disappearing at foreign tourneys.

Puma was always overhyped due to his foreign tourney wins and the artosis hype of proclaiming him a practice bonjwa. I'm sorry, but if you can't even qualify for GSL even once in your entire career, then you were never one of the top players in the game by korean standards.

You can't compare the koreans to the non koreans in terms of value in eg. Jaedong is a huge name from bw, so even if he's not winning, he still brings the team value and exposure. JYP, Puma, Revival only bring them exposure based on their results. If they're not winning then the exposure isn't as good because they don't do ads, they don't stream, they don't do live on three, etc. Idra can lose all day and everyday, but his fanbase is huge, so he doesn't need to win another game in his career and his fanbase will still be there to see him rage and be on shows and stuff.

Yeah, it's not like he ever played against any top koreans at the tournies he was in. He only beat this scrub MC a few times to take two golds, lost to him to get a silver. Beat this terrible guy named Hero once to get a gold, lost to him as well for a silver. Took out some pretty terrible Koreans as well on his road to multiple top 8 finishes.

I mean Puma wasn't a god, far from it. But he was a hell of player. During his prime, definitely a top player.


Puma was on the rise before joining EG. I remember that he made me some points in the fantasy GSTL, before EG took him (and I still hate EG for that, because the player I traded puma for was a guy named Huk...). Then he proceed to ride on a good 1-1-1 to win some foreign tourneys (as only MC and Hero could afford them at thoses times). He got stuck in code B for 2 years (I think he's the best player that didn't managed to get at least once to code A after multiple attempts), and I don't think he will ever again do a run as good as his NASL 1 run.
His prime was over pretty much the day he joined EG, because objectively his best achivements (as in "beat a lot of good people", not "winning some tourneys") were before (but remeber correlation doesn't mean causation).
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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
March 15 2013 08:09 GMT
#220
People think they will release Idra when he's got 4,000+ stream viewers at any moment?

Keep dreaming!
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