EPTEG releases Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee - Page 13
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Ratch!
Peru258 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:25 Ratch! wrote: I don't get why he is being released at the begining of a new game. Then you did not bother reading the (bolded part in the) OP. They tried to negotiate a new contract but it didn't turn out well enough for PuMa. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
And I'm really, really sorry to see Puma leave EG. He was one of my absolute favourite players to watch - his army micro was always such a pleasure to see - and I always hoped to see him return to form in tournaments. Maybe he'll still achieve success again, but if not, I hope these last two years have been good to him. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:25 blackone wrote: I don't know how many more times I can write this, but I don't read about any other things in their statements. They're saying it's all about the results, and it's not. And I don't know how many more times I can write this, but as a business, what they care about the most is the bottom line. So the main question is always going to be is EG getting a return on their investment on a player. And results isn't the only way to get a return on your investment. It's just one of the ways, and they do take results into consideration. They tried to renegotiate their contract. All they asked was for a pay cut from on their top-paid players who was underperforming. A salary to better reflect his performance. He said no, and so they decided not to renew their contract with him. That's just business. You don't just pay a player the same amount for not bringing the same level of return on the investment you made on him as before. | ||
bGr.MetHiX
Bulgaria511 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 15 2013 16:49 xsnac wrote: i dont like this becose : idra is slumping yet i dont think his contract gets lower . when a player is slumping you help him not force him ... for idra you get a sport psihologist . for puma you lower his income rly ?? i start hating eg now IdrA is not slumping on the EG value card. He is as visible on the scene as ever, and possibly more with all the Razer shows, ITG's and other appearances. It's just that he's not winning stuff just now. But the fact that he's one of the last people to take out the GSL champion in a Bo3 says he is still a force to be reckoned with. And this translates into massive visibility. Just consider, Idra v Minigun in the MLG showmatches (results-wise a slumping player versus a player with 0 results) drew in the largest view count of any evening... | ||
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:25 blackone wrote: I don't know how many more times I can write this, but I don't read about any other things in their statements. They're saying it's all about the results, and it's not. They're not gonna write in a press release that Puma didn't have a selling personality, that would be incredibly unprofessional to attack a former employee's person. The reason they keep Idra, Incontrol and the likes is that they are valuable personalities, extremely good PR, and good for team morale. Puma wasn't. They don't need to write that in a press realease. Grow up. | ||
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Ratch!
Peru258 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:27 Cokefreak wrote: Then you did not bother reading the (bolded part in the) OP. They tried to negotiate a new contract but it didn't turn out well enough for PuMa. Sorry if i can't express myself correctly. I ment, maybe they could give him another chance since HOTS is just starting. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 15 2013 14:14 Jaaaaasper wrote: That leaves them in some serious line up trouble for pl and any other team league. EG on had thorzain on their lineup for terran, and taeja is not in top form for fpl, things look even worse egtl in proleague. Sad to see him leave eg, wonder who is going to pick him up this time. I don't think that losing someone who went 1-7 is really going to hurt their line up. | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
In light of this, I'm quite astonished that Puma would not be a little more realistic and accept less pay reflecting his recent performance more aptly, but still get the chance to be sent to foreign events to prove himself again. I doubt he will ever get a better deal anywhere else. He never streamed much, barely tweeted, was not part of any promotional team activities, and in all this time did not really make any visible effort to become better at speaking English like other fellow Koreans on foreign teams (MC, Polt, Crank, HerO, JYP, GanZi just to name a few) have. If his release means that there will now be more money available for better players (and a prominent coach) to improve the situation for EG-TL in Proleague, then I see this as a most welcome step taken and look forward to things to come. Either way, all the best to Puma in whatever will be next for him in life. | ||
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NKB
United Kingdom608 Posts
 But anyways, lets hope Puma gets picked up by a good team soon so we can see more of him :D | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
There's a lesson here, guys. The more money you make, the higher the expectations are, the bigger the target is on you back and the more expendable you become. | ||
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Xiss
Sweden8 Posts
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Zidane
United States1687 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:28 dabom88 wrote: And I don't know how many more times I can write this, but as a business, what they care about the most is the bottom line. So the main question is always going to be is EG getting a return on their investment on a player. And results isn't the only way to get a return on your investment. It's just one of the ways, and they do take results into consideration. They tried to renegotiate their contract. All they asked was for a pay cut from on their top-paid players who was underperforming. A salary to better reflect his performance. He said no, and so they decided not to renew their contract with him. That's just business. You don't just pay a player the same amount for not bringing the same level of return on the investment you made on him as before. So you still don't understand that all I'm talking about is the discrepancy between their statement and the reality? | ||
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KoRStarvid
Sweden767 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:33 blackone wrote: So you still don't understand that all I'm talking about is the discrepancy between their statement and the reality? And you didn't care to read my reply to you? Some things you just don't say in official press. This is business, dude, not kindergarten. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:30 KoRStarvid wrote: They're not gonna write in a press release that Puma didn't have a selling personality, that would be incredibly unprofessional to attack a former employee's person. The reason they keep Idra, Incontrol and the likes is that they are valuable personalities, extremely good PR, and good for team morale. Puma wasn't. They don't need to write that in a press realease. Grow up. They don't need to to anything, and I don't need to either. But when someone writes bullshit, I'm free to talk about it, and no amount of money they make changes that. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
At the same time, however, I wish Puma well and especially after reading the great write-up and teammate testimonials on the EG press page, he truly did have a remarkable record and run in Wings of Liberty at his prime - http://evilgeniuses.net/eg-releases-ho-joon-puma-lee/ On March 15 2013 14:14 HeeroFX wrote: I was thinking Machine, and Huk would be the first to go honestly. I dunno about Machine, but Huk is still performing decently well (he actually got out of his Up/Down group in GSL most recently). And who knows what shape he is going into HotS. Imma gonna tell you guys, "I told you so!" if he beats Innovation this Friday / today at MLG Dallas  (but as almost anyone would tell you, that's a bit of a long shot). | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On March 15 2013 17:33 blackone wrote: So you still don't understand that all I'm talking about is the discrepancy between their statement and the reality? Please enlighten us on what you feel is a "discrepancy". Give backed-up arguments, not general statements. | ||
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