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EG releases Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee - Page 10

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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
March 15 2013 07:07 GMT
#181
oh i am astonished, one of the better moves this team has done so far, maybe check out huk next lol
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 15 2013 07:08 GMT
#182
On March 15 2013 16:04 Antimatterz wrote:
Aww really liked Puma, but completely forgot he was a player. Haven't seen news about him in a long time. GL to him in the future!


He played in a good number of teamleagues, most notably Proleague (where he played absolutely terribly), and IPTL, where he was key in helping EG make it to the playoffs the past 2 seasons.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
March 15 2013 07:18 GMT
#183
BTW, anyone know of any high-profile Korean Terran free agents that EG might be interested in? The only Terrans they have left on their lineup are Demuslim and Thorzain. That's a lot of pressure to put on just those 2.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Scootaloo
Profile Joined January 2012
655 Posts
March 15 2013 07:20 GMT
#184
I wonder if this was prompted by their superstar coach, who, as Artosis said, is extremely good and expensive, perhaps either he or his salary forced EG to reconsider their investment in the recently lackluster Puma.
Flaele
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium182 Posts
March 15 2013 07:21 GMT
#185
Not entirely surprising, I really liked him but now he's juste the shade of what he used to be. I hope he can find a new team and get a fresh start with HotS.
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
March 15 2013 07:23 GMT
#186
As much as I hated 1-1-1 I really liked watching puma play he had some great tvp and Tvz matches its a shame to see him fall off so far but I think hots will allow him to get some confidence back
Moar banelings less qq
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 07:39:15
March 15 2013 07:30 GMT
#187
On March 15 2013 15:02 Sikly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 14:58 damahammer wrote:
seems like being Flash's practice partner is not enough :D
i think ppl overhyped this guy


Well, he won three tournies, placed second and third at multiple other tournies. When he was at the top he was probably the most threatening player in the world at foreign tournies. Seems like he was pretty appropriately hyped to me, but what do I know!


What you need to know is the level of competition puma faced at those foreign tournaments. He was one of the first koreans to join a foreign team, so was afforded the opportunity to go to a lot of foreign tourneys, which is an opportunity most koreans never got back then. Once more top tier koreans started going to those events, his results started disappearing at foreign tourneys.

Puma was always overhyped due to his foreign tourney wins and the artosis hype of proclaiming him a practice bonjwa. I'm sorry, but if you can't even qualify for GSL even once in your entire career, then you were never one of the top players in the game by korean standards.

You can't compare the koreans to the non koreans in terms of value in eg. Jaedong is a huge name from bw, so even if he's not winning, he still brings the team value and exposure. JYP, Puma, Revival only bring them exposure based on their results. If they're not winning then the exposure isn't as good because they don't do ads, they don't stream, they don't do live on three, etc. Idra can lose all day and everyday, but his fanbase is huge, so he doesn't need to win another game in his career and his fanbase will still be there to see him rage and be on shows and stuff.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Barkas853
Profile Joined January 2011
Croatia18 Posts
March 15 2013 07:33 GMT
#188
It's so funny to read this article. I mean, all the explanations about his performances fall on deaf ears when you know that EG has Machine, Incontrol and Huk. In comparison to those players how is Pumas performance lackluster? Obviously there's another issue at hand. Maybe he isn't such 'money making' personality as far as commercials and similar stuff go. EG pretty much showed it's policy when they decided they were going to boot axslav and keep incontrol, machine etc.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 15 2013 07:37 GMT
#189
A totally expected move...hope Puma can make a comeback and finds a new team...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
March 15 2013 07:37 GMT
#190
On March 15 2013 16:18 dabom88 wrote:
BTW, anyone know of any high-profile Korean Terran free agents that EG might be interested in? The only Terrans they have left on their lineup are Demuslim and Thorzain. That's a lot of pressure to put on just those 2.

aLive will probably be joining.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
March 15 2013 07:37 GMT
#191
not idra/huk fan, but to be honest , even tho their performance are lackluster they still have large fan base.(3k-10k viewer when streaming)
as1
Killerkrack
Profile Joined August 2010
664 Posts
March 15 2013 07:38 GMT
#192
Love puma but this is honestly a great move on EGs part. He wasn't winning, and they're trying to be the best they can be. Appreciate the honesty in the statement as well.
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
March 15 2013 07:39 GMT
#193
Great News, coach Park is already doing his thing. I see only Jaedong surviving Park's Reign of Coaching ^^
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
March 15 2013 07:39 GMT
#194
On March 15 2013 16:33 Barkas853 wrote:
It's so funny to read this article. I mean, all the explanations about his performances fall on deaf ears when you know that EG has Machine, Incontrol and Huk. In comparison to those players how is Pumas performance lackluster? Obviously there's another issue at hand. Maybe he isn't such 'money making' personality as far as commercials and similar stuff go. EG pretty much showed it's policy when they decided they were going to boot axslav and keep incontrol, machine etc.

If you found it funny to read you should have read the whole thing mate! They offered him a contract more suited to his performance, wich I guess at least Machine and Incontrol is already on, but he didn't want it.
"NO" -Has
eronica
Profile Joined October 2012
175 Posts
March 15 2013 07:41 GMT
#195
On March 15 2013 16:39 kyllinghest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 16:33 Barkas853 wrote:
It's so funny to read this article. I mean, all the explanations about his performances fall on deaf ears when you know that EG has Machine, Incontrol and Huk. In comparison to those players how is Pumas performance lackluster? Obviously there's another issue at hand. Maybe he isn't such 'money making' personality as far as commercials and similar stuff go. EG pretty much showed it's policy when they decided they were going to boot axslav and keep incontrol, machine etc.

If you found it funny to read you should have read the whole thing mate! They offered him a contract more suited to his performance, wich I guess at least Machine and Incontrol is already on, but he didn't want it.


we don't know the numbers, they even might have propose 0$ or even negative salary :D
Omnidroid
Profile Joined November 2011
New Zealand214 Posts
March 15 2013 07:43 GMT
#196
Best of luck PuMa. Maybe new korean terran for EG?
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
March 15 2013 07:44 GMT
#197
I'm impressed with the frankness and honesty of their statement and intent. None of this "we amicably parted ways after we couldn't reach a mutual agreement" kinda stuff you see all the time, but the honest truth "he was paid too much and he wasn't pulling his weight".

Thanks EG for being honest.
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 15 2013 07:45 GMT
#198
KT will pick him.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
March 15 2013 07:45 GMT
#199
When you are a pro, you represent your team not just in achievements/ performance, but by your personality and your promotion of your team/sponsor. Incontrol has not achieved much, but he does other behind the scenes stuff and promotes EG greatly. Huk still has that foreigner love.

Puma has no personality and is awkward. Don't want to sound rude, but if that's who you are, then your salary is solely based on performance. Koreans need to understand that there's a business side to every sport, and it helps the fans to be more engaged/entertained.
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
March 15 2013 07:45 GMT
#200
On March 15 2013 16:30 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 15:02 Sikly wrote:
On March 15 2013 14:58 damahammer wrote:
seems like being Flash's practice partner is not enough :D
i think ppl overhyped this guy


Well, he won three tournies, placed second and third at multiple other tournies. When he was at the top he was probably the most threatening player in the world at foreign tournies. Seems like he was pretty appropriately hyped to me, but what do I know!


What you need to know is the level of competition puma faced at those foreign tournaments. He was one of the first koreans to join a foreign team, so was afforded the opportunity to go to a lot of foreign tourneys, which is an opportunity most koreans never got back then. Once more top tier koreans started going to those events, his results started disappearing at foreign tourneys.

Puma was always overhyped due to his foreign tourney wins and the artosis hype of proclaiming him a practice bonjwa. I'm sorry, but if you can't even qualify for GSL even once in your entire career, then you were never one of the top players in the game by korean standards.

You can't compare the koreans to the non koreans in terms of value in eg. Jaedong is a huge name from bw, so even if he's not winning, he still brings the team value and exposure. JYP, Puma, Revival only bring them exposure based on their results. If they're not winning then the exposure isn't as good because they don't do ads, they don't stream, they don't do live on three, etc. Idra can lose all day and everyday, but his fanbase is huge, so he doesn't need to win another game in his career and his fanbase will still be there to see him rage and be on shows and stuff.

Yeah, it's not like he ever played against any top koreans at the tournies he was in. He only beat this scrub MC a few times to take two golds, lost to him to get a silver. Beat this terrible guy named Hero once to get a gold, lost to him as well for a silver. Took out some pretty terrible Koreans as well on his road to multiple top 8 finishes.

I mean Puma wasn't a god, far from it. But he was a hell of player. During his prime, definitely a top player.
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