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Csong
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada396 Posts
March 15 2013 06:27 GMT
#141
i wonder if puma is going to retire or switch to league now
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
March 15 2013 06:27 GMT
#142

Anyone else thinks this seems racist or discriminatory?

No, not even close. From what the official statement said, and from what people pointed to in this thread, I don't see no single reason to call this racism.
Friends don't let friends massacre civilians
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 06:32:08
March 15 2013 06:28 GMT
#143
On March 15 2013 15:12 mango_destroyer wrote:
Hmm..so performance actually matters on EG? Or just Puma? Since we don`t know the salary of other players I can only assume the other under performers took a pay cut as well (assuming this just isn`t a puma thing)


Also, I believe Scoots talked about this before. EG, and most e-sports teams in general, judge on both results AND brand/sponsor exposure. Ideally, a player would have both, but that is not always the case.

Take players like Idra and Incontrol. Not the very best, but they both are very active members of the community. They both go on a lot of e-sports shows, do a lot of interviews, and stream. At all of these they mention their Sponsors, generating exposure. Say what you want about their personalities, but guys Idra and Incontrol do have big followings, which are good for sponsors. As long as you're continuously exposing the brand and sponsors in some way, you don't necessarily have to win every tournament.

On the other hand, we have guys like Puma who were results-based. Winning tournaments also, obviously, creates exposure for the brand and sponsors. However, being someone who only speaks Korean and isn't MC, Puma isn't as active in the community, so he doesn't have as big a following. So he's not winning many games, he isn't generating positive exposure for the EG brand and its sponsors. So naturally, if you aren't generating enough positive exposure to justify your salary, you might have to take a pay cut.

Also, keep in mind, no one has any idea how much anyone on the team gets paid relative anyone else.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
T.O.P
Profile Joined December 2012
469 Posts
March 15 2013 06:28 GMT
#144
no more curse Puma!
I'm not the real T.O.P just a fan!
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
March 15 2013 06:28 GMT
#145
On March 15 2013 14:08 Kenny_oro wrote:
Official Statement: http://evilgeniuses.net/eg-releases-ho-joon-puma-lee/

Show nested quote +

Very Sincerely,

Alexander

CEO, Evil Geniuses
@ottersaresocool on Twitter



I had to lol at this.
the game is the game
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3310 Posts
March 15 2013 06:29 GMT
#146
Good luck in the future, Puma! I hope you show improving results and find a new team soon!
T P Z sagi
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 15 2013 06:30 GMT
#147
Oh wow, this feels like it just came out of the blue. EGs statement is very open and understanding though, you really can't fault them. I like Puma as a player, it's a shame he couldn't pick it up where it was needed. Even though you can argue that Puma wasn't the one to kick on the team, that's not really up for discussion as they all have varying salaries I'm sure, and as some have mentioned, EG reevaluated his salary, which Puma did not accept; they did not simply insta-boot him.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 15 2013 06:31 GMT
#148
Well, at the very least Mr. Garfield is being honest. GL to Puma.
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hai2u
Profile Joined September 2011
688 Posts
March 15 2013 06:32 GMT
#149
not surprising. Puma was a middle of the road Terran who never lived up to the hype after the 1-1-1 days.
grindC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany274 Posts
March 15 2013 06:32 GMT
#150
Weird to see PuMa leave... I'm guessing he'll join coL or Quantic, if he stays in SC2.
styLesdavis
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany833 Posts
March 15 2013 06:33 GMT
#151
What concerns me the most is the fact that i can`t read anything like that
his current contract ended.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 15 2013 06:34 GMT
#152
It's interesting that in this case a Korean is the one that has more problems dealing with Korean competitions. GL, Puma!
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
March 15 2013 06:34 GMT
#153
Saw this coming! Good luck to him, but hopefully this will be better for EG. I know they can do better ;D

Really hope they can get some great US blood though. Not to pay him a bunch, but to build into a real beast along with the Koreans who are training for ProLeague etc.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
March 15 2013 06:35 GMT
#154
On March 15 2013 15:28 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 15:12 mango_destroyer wrote:
Hmm..so performance actually matters on EG? Or just Puma? Since we don`t know the salary of other players I can only assume the other under performers took a pay cut as well (assuming this just isn`t a puma thing)


Also, I believe Scoots talked about this before. EG, and most e-sports teams in general, judge on both results AND brand/sponsor exposure. Ideally, a player would have both, but that is not always the case.

Take players like Idra and Incontrol. Not the very best, but they both are very active members of the community. They both go on a lot of e-sports shows, do a lot of interviews, and stream. At all of these they mention their Sponsors, generating exposure. Say what you want about their personalities, but guys Idra and Incontrol do have big followings, which are good for sponsors. As long as you're continuously exposing the brand and sponsors in some way, you don't necessarily have to win every tournament.

On the other hand, we have guys like Puma who were results-based. Winning tournaments also, obviously, creates exposure for the brand and sponsors. However, being someone who only speaks Korean and isn't MC, Puma isn't as active in the community, so he doesn't have as big a following. So he's not winning many games, he isn't generating positive exposure for the EG brand and its sponsors. So naturally, if you aren't generating enough positive exposure to justify your salary, you might have to take a pay cut.

Also, keep in mind, no one has any idea how much anyone on the team gets paid relative anyone else.


Yeah that makes sense. Thanks.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
March 15 2013 06:36 GMT
#155
Aww, good luck puma
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Adersick
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
March 15 2013 06:36 GMT
#156
I suppose it's in best interest for both the team and PuMa, which is important. Stinks to see him leave EG, but with any luck things will be bright in the future for both parties!
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 15 2013 06:38 GMT
#157
On March 15 2013 15:23 UnKooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 15:17 sitromit wrote:
On March 15 2013 15:14 ZenithM wrote:
On March 15 2013 15:13 sitromit wrote:
EGMKRC inc.

Don't you dare.

Kekekeke :p


My god, that would be terrible. I would not like that at all.

Sorry, it's inevitable, what coach Park wants, he gets. :p

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339200

Any Starcraft II players you like in particular?

JulyZerg.

*Everyone laughs. I don't know why.

Anyone who didn't come from Brood War?

Oddly, I end up mostly watching players who used to play Brood War. They just have so much personality.

I do like players like say, MarineKing, because he has his own unique characteristic, in his case making a lot of marines and using them well.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
March 15 2013 06:40 GMT
#158
On March 15 2013 15:32 grindC wrote:
Weird to see PuMa leave... I'm guessing he'll join coL or Quantic, if he stays in SC2.


The moment he joins another team, I highly doubt he would of been paid what EG would of renegotiated in his contracted. He has been in a rut for almost a year now, people didn't expect much from him in his PL matches.

The only way he can start redeeming himself is to pull off some huge upsets. Without being on a high profile team his chances of traveling to foreign events is very small, weakening his chances at redemption. There aren't many foreign team leagues so perhaps joining another foreign team might not be his best shot, unless they are offering a salary. His best chance, in my opinion is to try and get on a ESF team and dominate in GSTL and make his way back in code A. Otherwise, within a year and a half, he will become another code B player over staying his welcome in a very competitive game with an even more competitive community.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 15 2013 06:42 GMT
#159
What?! Puma was EG's ace for so long, it seems cold to throw him off like that.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
March 15 2013 06:42 GMT
#160
wow. bummer. he seems a decent fellow.

from a business standpoint, it's understandable. but, man, still harsh.
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