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On March 06 2013 23:33 blackbrrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:06 Squiggles wrote:
The whole Code A/Code S system is messed up anyway. They should have a better method of ranking all players and seed the top 16/24 in the main tournament every time, and everyone else qualifies + wildcards. This is how they do it for tennis tournaments.
This allows for less volatility, a more stable set of players (grow popularity), and have rivalries. It sucks when the top players pick themselves into the same group and get knocked out in RO32. You'll net get the #1 and #2 favorites meeting in the final. They had a much simpler system earlier, but you got a stagnant Code S. Not good. The way they have it now gives plenty of opportunities to both Code S and Code A players to move up and down, but at the same time makes it likely that bad Code S players drops down, or good Code A players move up. If you have a bad streak or are in a slump, you can drop down, but for this they have the seeding from other tournaments, which I think works pretty well. A bit unusual that they haven't told us why Rain got the seed.
During those days, you had the likes of Virus, Ensnare, Tester and others sticking in Code S forever, even though you knew they were pretty bad, but the system just didn't dropped them out.
Was is the opposite of today, top24 make next code S and only 8 spots for new faces?
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On March 06 2013 23:32 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:19 Gruntt wrote:
Someone prob dropped out and they figured Rain was a good seed, but the person that is dropping out just doesn't want it announced yet. I'm having this impression, too Probably stephano, but he doesn't want to announce it yet
This doesn't make any sense. Without anyone else dropping out, there are 2 empty slots in Code S. The message by GOM says that Rain and one other person will receive seeds. If Stephano (or anyone else) dropped out they would need to give out 3 seeds.
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I agree for a wild card group, i'm very sad for all the players who lose in U&D groups. That's unfair! When they give the 1 or 2 spots for foreigners it's like "you will succeed?", it goes better, but for Rain...
On March 06 2013 23:21 illidanx wrote:
this is the REASON:
stephano drops out of code S and GOMTV needs someone to replace him. He cannot state it right now or he will spoil the whole thing about stephano.
I hope not.
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Fenrax
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On March 06 2013 23:36 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:32 Ace Frehley wrote:On March 06 2013 23:19 Gruntt wrote:
Someone prob dropped out and they figured Rain was a good seed, but the person that is dropping out just doesn't want it announced yet. I'm having this impression, too Probably stephano, but he doesn't want to announce it yet This doesn't make any sense. Without anyone else dropping out, there are 2 empty slots in Code S. The message by GOM says that Rain and one other person will receive seeds. If Stephano (or anyone else) dropped out they would need to give out 3 seeds.
Also they could simply say that Stephano doesn't play Code S. Why would they make such a secret and piss off their viewers only to do a minor favor to a player that has no relation to them? Makes no sense.
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Wonder what the explanation could be... The best I can come up with is that it has something to do with Rain's forfeit in season 5 2012. I always felt we didn't get the whole picture there.
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Could an epic flash vs rain rematch be in the stars this season?
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maybe they can argue, rain receives a seed on GSL because OSL champion, and the next GSL champion receives a seed on OSL.
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On March 06 2013 23:33 blackbrrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:06 Squiggles wrote:
The whole Code A/Code S system is messed up anyway. They should have a better method of ranking all players and seed the top 16/24 in the main tournament every time, and everyone else qualifies + wildcards. This is how they do it for tennis tournaments.
This allows for less volatility, a more stable set of players (grow popularity), and have rivalries. It sucks when the top players pick themselves into the same group and get knocked out in RO32. You'll net get the #1 and #2 favorites meeting in the final. They had a much simpler system earlier, but you got a stagnant Code S. Not good. The way they have it now gives plenty of opportunities to both Code S and Code A players to move up and down, but at the same time makes it likely that bad Code S players drops down, or good Code A players move up. If you have a bad streak or are in a slump, you can drop down, but for this they have the seeding from other tournaments, which I think works pretty well. A bit unusual that they haven't told us why Rain got the seed.
You have a good point, but times are different now. We have IEM, MLG, Proleague, OSL, and other tournaments you can use for an official SC2 ranking. Seed them according to their world ranking, ensuring that you have the best players playing in the best league.
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I don't actually get what all the fuss is about. So Rain got a seed, so what? GomTV has the right to offer 2 seeds for the GSL Code S in it's current format and they actually don't have to explain why they're giving someone a seed. In tennis tournaments and some other sport scenes, seeds or wildcards are a valid way to gain participation to a tournament. And I prefer the seeds to go to former semifinalists more than to a random good foreigner (but that's just personal preference).
That said however, it feels a bit not-GomTV-like to do it this way, so I think Mr. Chae will have a good explanation for this.
That, and I hope mvp gets a seed too.
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On March 06 2013 23:40 mishimaBeef wrote:
Could an epic flash vs rain rematch be in the stars this season?
Fuck flash vs rain, what about flash vs fantasy?
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On March 06 2013 23:41 Squiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:33 blackbrrd wrote:On March 06 2013 23:06 Squiggles wrote:
The whole Code A/Code S system is messed up anyway. They should have a better method of ranking all players and seed the top 16/24 in the main tournament every time, and everyone else qualifies + wildcards. This is how they do it for tennis tournaments.
This allows for less volatility, a more stable set of players (grow popularity), and have rivalries. It sucks when the top players pick themselves into the same group and get knocked out in RO32. You'll net get the #1 and #2 favorites meeting in the final. They had a much simpler system earlier, but you got a stagnant Code S. Not good. The way they have it now gives plenty of opportunities to both Code S and Code A players to move up and down, but at the same time makes it likely that bad Code S players drops down, or good Code A players move up. If you have a bad streak or are in a slump, you can drop down, but for this they have the seeding from other tournaments, which I think works pretty well. A bit unusual that they haven't told us why Rain got the seed. You have a good point, but times are different now. We have IEM, MLG, Proleague, OSL, and other tournaments you can use for an official SC2 ranking. Seed them according to their world ranking, ensuring that you have the best players playing in the best league.
Except there is no world ranking. For that to work every single tournament would have to work together to create such a system.
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On March 06 2013 23:41 Squiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:33 blackbrrd wrote:On March 06 2013 23:06 Squiggles wrote:
The whole Code A/Code S system is messed up anyway. They should have a better method of ranking all players and seed the top 16/24 in the main tournament every time, and everyone else qualifies + wildcards. This is how they do it for tennis tournaments.
This allows for less volatility, a more stable set of players (grow popularity), and have rivalries. It sucks when the top players pick themselves into the same group and get knocked out in RO32. You'll net get the #1 and #2 favorites meeting in the final. They had a much simpler system earlier, but you got a stagnant Code S. Not good. The way they have it now gives plenty of opportunities to both Code S and Code A players to move up and down, but at the same time makes it likely that bad Code S players drops down, or good Code A players move up. If you have a bad streak or are in a slump, you can drop down, but for this they have the seeding from other tournaments, which I think works pretty well. A bit unusual that they haven't told us why Rain got the seed. You have a good point, but times are different now. We have IEM, MLG, Proleague, OSL, and other tournaments you can use for an official SC2 ranking. Seed them according to their world ranking, ensuring that you have the best players playing in the best league.
I always figured the main reason they've never moved to that system is that some teams/players just don't travel nearly as much as others. Be it cost or time or whatever, it'd be painful for a lot of careers to have GSL entry revolve around other tournaments. And it'd obviously be very tough to break in as an up and comer.
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Really wonder what the explanation is, I'm guessing it's either linked to his OSL championship or his previous code S place.
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Can't believe no one has said EG.Rain yet 
Makes sense to me. Article seems to imply its not a Kespa playing coming in, its Rain. And would make sense to me, that Rain would be changing teams then, and therefore best "non KR teamed player"
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
- It can't be the OSL/GSL champion cross seeds because that doesn't fit with the new statement
- it can't be because of Stephano's forfeit because that would mean two additional seeds, not one like he stated and also they would not have to keep it secret
- it can't be Rain's former GSL run because they wouldn't have to keep it such a secret
any other ideas???
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This makes total sense. Rain got seeded because Group E was too imba, and they needed to give more players a chance to advance from the group of death.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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GOM thought Rain is the worthy one to get the seed. End of story.
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On March 07 2013 00:01 Leetley wrote:
GOM thought Rain is the worthy one to get the seed. End of story.
Obviously not, or they would've just said that.
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On March 06 2013 23:45 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 23:40 mishimaBeef wrote:
Could an epic flash vs rain rematch be in the stars this season? Fuck flash vs rain, what about flash vs fantasy?
If that happens and it isn't the final I might cry.
It'd be the best thing to ever happen to the GSL TvT wise IMO <3
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