EPTCoca and Puzzle return to SC2 (?) - Page 11
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
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Walnuts
United States770 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:00 Wuster wrote: I'm skeptical Coca can regain the form people in this thread seem to think he had. But we'll see, a lot will depend on where he ends up of course. I'm more interested to see how Puzzle will do with some real Protoss teammates (sorry, Alicia didn't count, cuz he was pretty bad when Puzzle was doing well). From what I recall, Puzzle had good micro and played about as standard as possible in all match-ups and was terrible at PvP, which to me screams he had no Protoss help. I mean, Coca was Ro8 GSL and 2nd at an MLG along with an AK of Prime and almost all of his losses after he came back (preliminaries, online tournies) were from his weak ZvZ, and Puzzle was a Code A championand GSL Ro8, so they were both pretty good. Also, Puzzle had pretty good PvP earlier, but it became a weakness toward the end. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:00 Wuster wrote: I'm skeptical Coca can regain the form people in this thread seem to think he had. But we'll see, a lot will depend on where he ends up of course. I'm more interested to see how Puzzle will do with some real Protoss teammates (sorry, Alicia didn't count, cuz he was pretty bad when Puzzle was doing well). From what I recall, Puzzle had good micro and played about as standard as possible in all match-ups and was terrible at PvP, which to me screams he had no Protoss help. I don't know what time you were talking about when Puzzle was doing well, but Alicia was on a hot streak the summer of 2012, making the finals of 3 premier tournaments, when Puzzle was killing the GSTL. | ||
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figq
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Negius
Netherlands290 Posts
I hope more retired or switched pro's will come back, maybe this is a signal (I hope). | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:04 Walnuts wrote: I mean, Coca was Ro8 GSL and 2nd at an MLG along with an AK of Prime and almost all of his losses after he came back (preliminaries, online tournies) were from his weak ZvZ, and Puzzle was a Code A championand GSL Ro8, so they were both pretty good. Also, Puzzle had pretty good PvP earlier, but it became a weakness toward the end. After Coca came back he didn't really have a strong match-up either though. I said earlier in this thread I always saw Coca as a player who could contend if the brackets went his way, but I didn't think he was consistently good enough across all match-ups to be an obvious future champion (especially since Protoss were basically non-existent during Coca's peak). But I know a lot of people feel otherwise, so I'll agree to disagree =p. I remember thinking he had good PvP until it basically cost him his Code S spot, then I looked at his record and don't remember anything really standing out other than a nice streak in his first Code A season. Either way, my impression is he just didn't have much help from other Protoss players towards the end and I always though someone with his micro shouldn't ever struggle the way he did (especially since he usually played standard). On March 05 2013 07:04 Bagration wrote: I don't know what time you were talking about when Puzzle was doing well, but Alicia was on a hot streak the summer of 2012, making the finals of 3 premier tournaments, when Puzzle was killing the GSTL. I do remember Alicia's hot streak and maybe I'm underrating it too much. But I wasn't impressed from the actual quality of games, but I'll admit I watched less than half of them since they were pretty much all foreign events (another reason I might be underrating them). | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:58 Wuster wrote: After Coca came back he didn't really have a strong match-up either though. I said earlier in this thread I always saw Coca as a player who could contend if the brackets went his way, but I didn't think he was consistently good enough across all match-ups to be an obvious future champion (especially since Protoss were basically non-existent during Coca's peak). But I know a lot of people feel otherwise, so I'll agree to disagree =p. I remember thinking he had good PvP until it basically cost him his Code S spot, then I looked at his record and don't remember anything really standing out other than a nice streak in his first Code A season. Either way, my impression is he just didn't have much help from other Protoss players towards the end and I always though someone with his micro shouldn't ever struggle the way he did (especially since he usually played standard). I do remember Alicia's hot streak and maybe I'm underrating it too much. But I wasn't impressed from the actual quality of games, but I'll admit I watched less than half of them since they were pretty much all foreign events (another reason I might be underrating them). Watch his series against MKP at MLG Spring Championships. This was when MKP looked absolutely unstoppable against Protoss. His blink and DT micro was impeccable and even MKP had trouble keeping up. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
Why is Coca so hyped vs Puzzle, who was pretty much showing good solid play until the day he left the scene, whereas Coca didn't really recapture his former heights. They're both potentially very good anyway. I recall from Puzzle's stream when he was on Zenex that he had the most crisp mechanics out of any Protoss I've ever watched live, and I think that could positively mesh well with the new HoTS game. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On March 28 2013 11:36 Wombat_NI wrote: I did a wee search for this, after I saw a player on Puzzle's ID dismantle various people pretty interesting. Why is Coca so hyped vs Puzzle, who was pretty much showing good solid play until the day he left the scene, whereas Coca didn't really recapture his former heights. They're both potentially very good anyway. I recall from Puzzle's stream when he was on Zenex that he had the most crisp mechanics out of any Protoss I've ever watched live, and I think that could positively mesh well with the new HoTS game. I'd say CoCa has a more interesting story with the long ban from competition and even the team house. Everyone should know that Puzzle was great, and CoCa just got beat down hard when he had a lot of momentum and never really recovered fully. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On March 28 2013 11:36 Wombat_NI wrote: I did a wee search for this, after I saw a player on Puzzle's ID dismantle various people pretty interesting. Why is Coca so hyped vs Puzzle, who was pretty much showing good solid play until the day he left the scene, whereas Coca didn't really recapture his former heights. They're both potentially very good anyway. I recall from Puzzle's stream when he was on Zenex that he had the most crisp mechanics out of any Protoss I've ever watched live, and I think that could positively mesh well with the new HoTS game. What I remember from Puzzle stream is that he usually play one game (10-15min) then afk for 30 min, then come back to play 1 more game, then afk for another 30 minutes lol. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On March 28 2013 11:44 canikizu wrote: What I remember from Puzzle stream is that he usually play one game (10-15min) then afk for 30 min, then come back to play 1 more game, then afk for another 30 minutes lol. He probably played a game of LoL while afk.  | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On March 28 2013 11:44 LuckoftheIrish wrote: CoCa is one of the great might-have-beens of eSports. This is the main draw for CoCa. It's fun to argue how good he might have been or not been if not for the suspension. Khaldor said onair that he saw CoCa as a future GSL champ and a lot of people here share that opinion. Personally I think people just focused on his upside and ignored his downside (which hadn't been exposed too much) at the time of his suspension. But we'll never know! | ||
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