EPTPrize money summary of WoL: Races,KoreaVSWorld etc - Page 3
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1599 Posts
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Ace Frehley
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
 Really interesting to see some of the variations there. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 24 2013 12:24 RParks42 wrote: Premier Tournament Championship Contenders 2011 Terran: Mvp, MKP, Bomber, Polt, Puma, MMA, Jjakji (debatable) Zerg: Nestea, July, Losira, Leenock, DRG Protoss: MC, Huk, Naniwa, Inca, Puzzle, Oz, Hero 1st half of 2012 Terran: Mvp, Gumiho, MKP, aLive, MMA, Polt Zerg: DRG, Violet, Symbol, Nestea, Stephano Protoss: MC, Genius, Squirtle, PartinG, Seed, Hero 2nd half of 2012 Terran: TaeJa, Mvp, Polt, MKP Zerg: Life, Leenock, DRG, Stephano, Sniper, Violet, Symbol, HyuN (debatable) Protoss: Alicia, MC, Creator, Squirtle, PartinG, Rain, HerO Balance may play a part in it, but to me it looks like the change in percentages was mostly because of the players who became legitimate threats to win titles. 2011 Looks like an all-star team of Terrans, Nestea plus the start of a few current succesful Zergs, along with a group of Protoss that is pretty uninspiring other than MC. 2012 then started out much the same way, with the Terrans having not gone through a slump/injury yet, while Zerg starts to look very solid and the Protoss looks unbeatable (anybody remember the 5 Protoss Ro8 Season 2?). Then came Polt getting burned out, Gumiho having problems in individual leagues, aLive coming back down to earth, MMA and the Slayers thing, Mvp's injuries. Protoss then had their own problems with MC not having a team house, Squirtle slumping, Genius falling off, Seed losing desire. Rain also wasn't in the scene for that long, and for all of Alicia's success outside of Korea, if all you watched was GSL you wouldn't even know who he was in 2012. This combined with Life joining a real team, DRG keeping his skill level and results high even though he was "slumping", Symbol maintaining skill level, Sniper finally getting the results his skills warranted, and Leenock returning to top form, isn't it obvious why Zerg has more winnings in 2012? Especially with more of the premier tournaments being held in the latter half of the year, about 65% of the years winnings Well, it is impossible to accurately separate the two. Was MMA's caused by Slayers situation or Ryu Won leaving? Probably. Did his TvZ drop off because balance of patch changes? Likely as well. or maybe the zergs got enter at multitasking? | ||
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RParks42
United States77 Posts
On February 24 2013 12:58 vthree wrote: Well, it is impossible to accurately separate the two. Was MMA's caused by Slayers situation or Ryu Won leaving? Probably. Did his TvZ drop off because balance of patch changes? Likely as well. or maybe the zergs got enter at multitasking? I agree with both of your points, that many different factors caused players to either get better or struggle. And that's, in my opinion the biggest reason why racial balance changed. Players and their skills changed for numerous reasons, sometimes due to a patch, other times due to outside factors. I don't know about the multi tasking thing (I do think that's true), I think a bigger factor is just that Zerg's figured out how to react to almost everything properly | ||
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Csong
Canada396 Posts
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
Now I am definitely done with this however. The amount of figures is starting to become crazy, and for every calculation I add it becomes more likely that I make an error. I have double checked almost all calculations however, a few times there was around 1000$ missing but what the hell. Like 0.05% in the context, probably I missed this one Chinese guy from the Asian list somewhere (I have to manually remove all the none Koreans from the Asian list) | ||
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Babru
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On February 24 2013 00:19 aTnClouD wrote: Thanks a lot for this. It would be really interesting to do a separate korean and foreign statistics for 2011 and 2012 but I suppose a lot of work went down on your research. Korean race OP as usual, David Kim is bias and no fix :[ I dont get the argument that goes; "foreigner terrans are doing so bad compared to foreigner zergs, therefor blizzard must address balance", thats like saying; "look blizzard, terrans are having trouble in masters league (as opposed to GM), do something blizzard!". The highest level is what matters when it comes to balance. So during the entire history of WoL zerg wasnt even the race making the most money, it was terran. Bad news for certain rage kids on NA/EU who never gg vs a zerg and always flame (just to be clear, im not referring to ClouD). | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 24 2013 16:05 jcroisdale wrote: This numbers look good, more money is put into Sc2 each year, and koreans win a little less each year. Actually, I think koreans winning less is misleading. It is mainly due to less payout from GSL in 2012 (since there are only 5 per year) and several big payouts from regional locked tournaments (mainly the WCS series with countries and continentals). I think if you look at the true 'international' tournaments(IPL, MLG, DH, NASL, etc), koreans have taken more of the money compare to 2011. | ||
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wammyz
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On February 24 2013 22:28 vthree wrote: Actually, I think koreans winning less is misleading. It is mainly due to less payout from GSL in 2012 (since there are only 5 per year) and several big payouts from regional locked tournaments (mainly the WCS series with countries and continentals). I think if you look at the true 'international' tournaments(IPL, MLG, DH, NASL, etc), koreans have taken more of the money compare to 2011. Indeed, GSL had a crazy amount of tournaments in 2011. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League Just look at the change between 2011 and 2012 | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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zw1er
Poland81 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On March 02 2013 14:26 ZenithM wrote: 2011 was truly the golden age. of imbalance. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On a related note has anyone ever compiled statistics of raceswitches of foreigners coming from BW to SC2. I think a possible reason for the korean terran > foreign terran relation comes from the simple fact that there are much more korean terran than there are foreign terrans. It would be very interesting to see whether more foreigners than koreans switched away from terran in BW -> SC2 transition. Also quite few foreigners come from other games, mainly WC3, and attraction to "badass aliens" protoss and zerg might be a relevant factor for players who never played BW. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On March 02 2013 17:25 KingOfPain wrote: Protoss the weakest Same way in brood war. Back then protoss could only win in the fall, none of the other months | ||
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wammyz
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On March 02 2013 14:26 ZenithM wrote: 2011 was truly the golden age. Of Terran... | ||
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