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Aligulac Jan 23 update: First first (++features) - Page 2

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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 24 2013 14:27 GMT
#21
Great work, (try to) keep it up!
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bpgbcg
Profile Joined February 2011
United States74 Posts
January 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#22
It seems that the "Most Specialized" category now again includes people with very few games played (J). Is this intentional?
I don't have the creativity to think of a signature.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 24 2013 16:08 GMT
#23
Maru up there? Since when is he not awful again? (genuine curiosity, I thought he hadn't been good since the first GSL).
The universe created an audience for itself.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
January 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#24
On January 25 2013 01:08 Mortal wrote:
Maru up there? Since when is he not awful again? (genuine curiosity, I thought he hadn't been good since the first GSL).

http://aligulac.com/players/49/period/76/
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
January 24 2013 16:59 GMT
#25
A huge shift occured, I didn't expect someone like HyuN to fall so hard, or Maru to jump just because he did well at one team league tournament :/

I still find somethings quite dubious, but I guess it has a general ranking of players, just not as accurate as I think it is.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 24 2013 17:05 GMT
#26
On January 25 2013 01:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A huge shift occured, I didn't expect someone like HyuN to fall so hard, or Maru to jump just because he did well at one team league tournament :/

I still find somethings quite dubious, but I guess it has a general ranking of players, just not as accurate as I think it is.


That's what I thought both about Hyun and when I saw Maru. I'm not saying he's bad, but he's nowhere near the caliber of players he finds himself among on the rankings. Consistency seems to be suspect here :x
The universe created an audience for itself.
ganil
Profile Joined August 2009
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 17:40:39
January 24 2013 17:29 GMT
#27
Wow ! very nice improvements !
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 17:33:36
January 24 2013 17:32 GMT
#28
Was it normal in BW for all of the very top players to have below 64% winrate ?
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 24 2013 17:46 GMT
#29
On January 25 2013 02:32 Apolo wrote:
Was it normal in BW for all of the very top players to have below 64% winrate ?

Yeah. A winrate of 70% and above was usually considered extraordinary and only held by the likes of Flash or Jaedong, if I remember correctly.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
January 24 2013 17:48 GMT
#30
On January 25 2013 02:05 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 01:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A huge shift occured, I didn't expect someone like HyuN to fall so hard, or Maru to jump just because he did well at one team league tournament :/

I still find somethings quite dubious, but I guess it has a general ranking of players, just not as accurate as I think it is.


That's what I thought both about Hyun and when I saw Maru. I'm not saying he's bad, but he's nowhere near the caliber of players he finds himself among on the rankings. Consistency seems to be suspect here :x


Maru only won during the last period, whereas HyuN lost to players with much lower ranking than him.
HyuN's results during the last period
Remember that when you are highly ranked, losing to almost anyone will cost you points.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 24 2013 18:01 GMT
#31
On January 25 2013 02:32 Apolo wrote:
Was it normal in BW for all of the very top players to have below 64% winrate ?


It depends. Brood War was far less volatile in terms of who could beat who simply because of game design and the way it allowed a skilled player to outperform his opponent in more than just a few ways.

FlaSh is the only one who still holds an overall winrate of over 70%, whereas the other S-Class players fall somewhere between 60-70%. Of course I'm talking overall here, not just a streak in a tournament, or a month, or even a year, but the entire career. I'd still wager towards saying no, it wasn't normal, unless they were already years past their prime (think NaDa, oov, July etc)

But yeah I don't think a comparison to BW is warranted since the game was much more stable, with fewer upsets and fewer tournaments in general. Because, imagine if FlaSh, JaeDong or sAviOr had to play in a different major tournament every other month, most of which being gauntlet 3 or 4 day events with open brackets and online qualifiers allowing all sorts of darkhorses through, not to mention the toll travel would take on them... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to reach quite the same peaks that they actually did. Then again, we've seen that in SC2 even the preparation format of GSL and OSL yields a lot of unpredictability and upsets still. Who knows...

[yes this was worth my 1337th post]
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Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 18:14:23
January 24 2013 18:14 GMT
#32
@OP: Something is amiss here:
Top 10 teams by all-kill score:
MVP 95.07%
StarTale 94.62%
Incredible Miracle 92.80%
SK Telecom T1 90.68%
FXOpen e-Sports Kore 89.77%
AZUBU 87.80%
Prime 86.12%
Team Liquid 84.72%
Evil Geniuses 83.87%
STX SouL 83.81%

StarTale has lost some players, and those who stayed lost some points (Parting most significantly). MVP and IM has caught up a bit now. The Proleague-style list looks almost identical, except that STX passes EG, TL drops out of the list and Woongjin sneaks in on 10th place.


Otherwise, good job
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 24 2013 20:48 GMT
#33
On January 25 2013 03:14 Ender985 wrote:
@OP: Something is amiss here:
Show nested quote +
Top 10 teams by all-kill score:
MVP 95.07%
StarTale 94.62%
Incredible Miracle 92.80%
SK Telecom T1 90.68%
FXOpen e-Sports Kore 89.77%
AZUBU 87.80%
Prime 86.12%
Team Liquid 84.72%
Evil Geniuses 83.87%
STX SouL 83.81%

StarTale has lost some players, and those who stayed lost some points (Parting most significantly). MVP and IM has caught up a bit now. The Proleague-style list looks almost identical, except that STX passes EG, TL drops out of the list and Woongjin sneaks in on 10th place.

Otherwise, good job

Unless you mean the has/have mistake, I don't quite see it. Thanks for being specific....
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
January 24 2013 20:50 GMT
#34
Thank you for all the effort you continue to put into this. You, sir, are a scholar and gentleman!
Get off my lawn, young punks
delHospital
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 21:15:48
January 24 2013 21:13 GMT
#35
There's some bug that makes list 1 look kinda silly.
+ Show Spoiler +

Best overall
Orly (1442)
Best vs. Protoss
Orly (1749)
Best vs. Terran
Orly (1521)
Best vs. Zerg
Orly (1056)
Most specialised vP
Orly (+307)
Most specialised vT
Orly (+79)
Most specialised vZ
Orly (+-386)
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
January 24 2013 21:18 GMT
#36
On January 25 2013 06:13 delHospital wrote:
There's some bug that makes list 1 look kinda silly.
+ Show Spoiler +

Best overall
Orly (1442)
Best vs. Protoss
Orly (1749)
Best vs. Terran
Orly (1521)
Best vs. Zerg
Orly (1056)
Most specialised vP
Orly (+307)
Most specialised vT
Orly (+79)
Most specialised vZ
Orly (+-386)

Haven't you heard of Orly's dominant run back then? He was literally unbeatable!

On a more serious note, this appears to be a result of Orly being the only player in that period who had enough matches to be listed in the ranking. Here you can see a list of all games being played in that period.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
January 25 2013 08:28 GMT
#37
On January 25 2013 06:13 delHospital wrote:
There's some bug that makes list 1 look kinda silly.
+ Show Spoiler +

Best overall
Orly (1442)
Best vs. Protoss
Orly (1749)
Best vs. Terran
Orly (1521)
Best vs. Zerg
Orly (1056)
Most specialised vP
Orly (+307)
Most specialised vT
Orly (+79)
Most specialised vZ
Orly (+-386)


Orly is badass :D
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 25 2013 09:37 GMT
#38
On January 25 2013 05:48 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 03:14 Ender985 wrote:
@OP: Something is amiss here:
Top 10 teams by all-kill score:
MVP 95.07%
StarTale 94.62%
Incredible Miracle 92.80%
SK Telecom T1 90.68%
FXOpen e-Sports Kore 89.77%
AZUBU 87.80%
Prime 86.12%
Team Liquid 84.72%
Evil Geniuses 83.87%
STX SouL 83.81%

StarTale has lost some players, and those who stayed lost some points (Parting most significantly). MVP and IM has caught up a bit now. The Proleague-style list looks almost identical, except that STX passes EG, TL drops out of the list and Woongjin sneaks in on 10th place.

Otherwise, good job

Unless you mean the has/have mistake, I don't quite see it. Thanks for being specific....

Nah, i actually think he means the Parting bit. You say:

"StarTale has lost some players, and those who stayed lost some points (Parting most significantly)."

But PartinG is on SKT now and didn't stay. Perhaps i understand it wrong, but idk.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
January 25 2013 09:50 GMT
#39
On January 25 2013 18:37 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 05:48 TheBB wrote:
On January 25 2013 03:14 Ender985 wrote:
@OP: Something is amiss here:
Top 10 teams by all-kill score:
MVP 95.07%
StarTale 94.62%
Incredible Miracle 92.80%
SK Telecom T1 90.68%
FXOpen e-Sports Kore 89.77%
AZUBU 87.80%
Prime 86.12%
Team Liquid 84.72%
Evil Geniuses 83.87%
STX SouL 83.81%

StarTale has lost some players, and those who stayed lost some points (Parting most significantly). MVP and IM has caught up a bit now. The Proleague-style list looks almost identical, except that STX passes EG, TL drops out of the list and Woongjin sneaks in on 10th place.

Otherwise, good job

Unless you mean the has/have mistake, I don't quite see it. Thanks for being specific....

Nah, i actually think he means the Parting bit. You say:

"StarTale has lost some players, and those who stayed lost some points (Parting most significantly)."

But PartinG is on SKT now and didn't stay. Perhaps i understand it wrong, but idk.


Definitely a mistake. Great catch
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
January 25 2013 09:57 GMT
#40
Thanks for putting so much effort into this. Please continue!
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