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I'm surprised that a thread hasn't sprung up yet since this has been up on reddit since this morning. I can't read Korean, and Google Translate only produces gibberish for long text in Korean, but apparently, Fnatic is closing down their Korean gaming house according to thisisgame.com's article.
After 10 months in operation, it seems that Fnatic has started cleaning up the apartment, removing the furniture, chairs and equipment, and the closure had been planned for some time. Apparently, accommodation for the players has already been arranged. The news comes about as Fnatic turned down participation for the next GSTL.
Recently, Fnatic lost four of their Korean members, being Ares, ByuL, Moon and Rain, as well as their manager and coach Hwanni, who moved to EG. aLive even changed his Twitter handle, removing the Fnatic tag, though rumours of his departure have been denied by Fnatic representatives and aLive himself.
I will keep this post up to date with any translations of the article, and any reactions by Fnatic.
Fnatic's current roster:
 aLive
 Oz
 Luvsic
Harstem
Naama
NightEnD
Personal opinion: I think Fnatic took a huge blow with the departure of Hwanni, and could not effectively manage the team without a dedicated link and a coach. Their results in the GSTL were pretty good considering, and whilst it is true that perhaps aLive and Oz slumped a lot, they still managed to foster ByuL into becoming a big team league asset.
PS: For GSTL, the probability is that AZUBU and Axiom will replace TSL and Fnatic.
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oh. wow. i really hope that they can get their stuff together, i really like FNATIC as a team
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Just a matter of days before Fnatic goes with the house =[
Even more sick free agents now..
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So this happen when they said one month ago they have some big stuff planned for SC2. Weird
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Close up shop, restart, reconsider strategy of not pouring your entire roster into Koreans while dismissing any potential exposure and marketing opportunities you can do with your non-Korean players.
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Wow. It was such a nice team house, too. Was very exciting at the time.
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On January 11 2013 03:33 ROOTheognis wrote:
Just a matter of days before Fnatic goes with the house =[
Even more sick free agents now..
too many 
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Shiet! Quite a blow to them . Looking forward to a response from Fnatic
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Shit. This isnt good. but cant blame them when their players have really bad results lately.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
If this turns out to be true, I fear there will be too many good free agents on the market. Unless KeSPA picks up a bunch of players, I see a bunch of these guys retiring =/
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Too many player, less money => Cheaper players. Teams have a huge amout of free agents to choose from and with most teams having huge lineups already, its not likely that many of the free agents will get a new team with a salary.
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There will be a lot of things coming for Fnatic StarCraft 2 in 2013. People have speculated that it's going downhill for the Fnatic SC2 division, I've spoken to the SC2 manager and things aren't going downhill at all, everything's looking bright going into this year!
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On January 11 2013 03:43 Inz` wrote:
There will be a lot of things coming for Fnatic StarCraft 2 in 2013. People have speculated that it's going downhill for the Fnatic SC2 division, I've spoken to the SC2 manager and things aren't going downhill at all, everything's looking bright going into this year!
One can hope!
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Russian Federation604 Posts
Poor Fnatic, it was great a team 3 years ago.. i think fnatic have norm resources and players, but stupid managеment cut this all.
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It was downhill for me after Moon was booted. I understand perfectly well why they did it, but wanting to seen Moon play was what made me want to support Fnatic.
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is this because of sponsors backing down from negotiating with organisations and teams? what is going on with esports right now...seems like so many teams are folding and going bust already this year. #worststartto2013
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On January 11 2013 03:58 Finnz wrote:
is this because of sponsors backing down from negotiating with organisations and teams? what is going on with esports right now...seems like so many teams are folding and going bust already this year. #worststartto2013
Nothing to do with sponsors.
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If my team decided to close the house in koreea why u all think they close the sc2 section ?:O
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Sadly, I can't say I'm surprised. They've been cutting back on their Korean players. I'd imagine this was a move long in the making (i.e. even before Hwanni left). Still, great team and good luck to all of them.
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I was surprised they didnt put together a full 10 player roster for their house...
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So that is why aLive stayed at the EG team house for a week and Oz could be seen there on webcam frequently.
Wouldn't mind seeing EG-TL take Fnatic's spot in GSTL. 
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Dang. Well at least they still have aLive and Oz. Really the main reason why i still like fnatic as much as i do. Good luck to the team and players.
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On January 11 2013 04:00 NightEnD wrote:
If my team decided to close the house in koreea why u all think they close the sc2 section ?:O
Maybe we were a bit fast concluding that :S
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Now this is really sad news. I liked all of their players and I've always been a fnatic fan even since the cs 1.6 days. I wonder what will happen with Alive, my personal favorite sc2 player.
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Dont worry guys everything is good  trust me
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I trust nightend =D! cant be losing alive hes just tooo fucking good
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On January 11 2013 04:10 NightEnD wrote:Dont worry guys everything is good trust me
In Nightend we trust!
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I can't understand why people are speculating that they will be closing their SC2 division. They just closed the house, probably because they want to change strategy, and perhaps focus less on Korea or something. Fnatic is still one of the most stable, organised and well off organisations in eSports, and also the one with most fans (a quarter of a million fans on Facebook only). The chemistry between players does seem a bit off: two top Koreans in a slump, a Korean that never did much, two mid-tier Europeans and an up and coming Dutchman, but still, I have faith that they have some interesting plans for SC2.
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On January 11 2013 04:00 NightEnD wrote:
If my team decided to close the house in koreea why u all think they close the sc2 section ?:O
Because they're pulling back instead of putting in (loss of Hwanni, players and now the house).
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I hope that we get to see Azubu in GSTL. I think they still need another couple of real top tier players to be competitive in GSTL, but seeing viOLet is always good.
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Wowwww Fnatic is so legit, this house in korea would be the icing on the cake.
Grats Fnatic, make it happen!
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Man, first SlayerS, then Quantic, and it seems like compLexity and Fnatic aren't looking to hang around for long either.
Meanwhile, some people on EG make six figure salaries.
This thought comforts me
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Close the House...?? Why Not...?? More Money >> Get more Players + more Support the Members ...!!
AnyWay... For Ever Fnatic...!! All Support to my Team ...
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On January 11 2013 04:18 t e a C h e r wrote:
Wowwww Fnatic is so legit, this house in korea would be the icing on the cake.
Grats Fnatic, make it happen!
Uhhh.
Yep, didn't read much did ya?
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On January 11 2013 04:22 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:18 t e a C h e r wrote:
Wowwww Fnatic is so legit, this house in korea would be the icing on the cake.
Grats Fnatic, make it happen! Uhhh. Yep, didn't read much did ya?
this is actually funny
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On January 11 2013 04:24 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:22 AnomalySC2 wrote:On January 11 2013 04:18 t e a C h e r wrote:
Wowwww Fnatic is so legit, this house in korea would be the icing on the cake.
Grats Fnatic, make it happen! Uhhh. Yep, didn't read much did ya? this is actually funny
Didn't do his assignment. XD.
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On January 11 2013 03:43 Inz` wrote:
There will be a lot of things coming for Fnatic StarCraft 2 in 2013. People have speculated that it's going downhill for the Fnatic SC2 division, I've spoken to the SC2 manager and things aren't going downhill at all, everything's looking bright going into this year!
Sure doesn't look that way...
But I like the idea of AZUBU and Axiom in GSTL.
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closing the team house does not mean disbanding, or am i wrong?
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On January 11 2013 04:29 Silencioseu wrote:
closing the team house does not mean disbanding, or am i wrong?
no they won't disband, they will recruit some European players
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On January 11 2013 04:29 Silencioseu wrote:
closing the team house does not mean disbanding, or am i wrong?
Doesn't mean they are disbanding but it probably signals that Fnatic is pulling out of Korea. I'm guessing they will try to refocus on Europe with Namma, Nightend, Harstem. They don't really have any players left who are capable of making GSL runs. Sadly I think Oz and aLive have peaked in SC2 and Fnatic is probably realizing this as well.
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We still have Harstem, everything is all right.
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until now i thought fnatic and fxo were the same thing...
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there goes another starcraft team... ....
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On January 11 2013 04:33 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:29 Silencioseu wrote:
closing the team house does not mean disbanding, or am i wrong? no they won't disband, they will recruit some European players
Oh nice.
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in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8)
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That's too bad 
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Who said they're folding, lol. The only fact is that they are moving out.
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On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8)
they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher.
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Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G.
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So we find the next Kor disband !
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On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher.
That sucks :/
Wouldn't mind seeing Nani on fnatic, seems like it would be a good fit for both. Nani and nightend were both und players in war3 and both toss in sc2 ^_^.
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Another sc2 team struggling to stay afloat.. even though its a pretty renowned team in Fnatic. i dont think hots is gonna do anything to stop this armageddon. ggwp sc2
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With these many free agents lately, really doubt Parting can get some good offer. He's at the peak, any offer satisfies himself will be a bad deal for the team, especially when teams have so many choices.
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This kinda sucked actually :/
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Fnatic house ;((( I loved it it seemed like a very cozy place.
I'm curious about what they will do now,expanding more to europe or keep the corean thing.
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On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher.
Why bid for Naniwa with all that talent out there o0
(not saying Naniwa himself is not a talent ofc it just won't seem smart to go in a bidding war when there are so many good players teamless right now)
I am sure Fanatic realises this to, i hope they will pick up some nice players.
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Hate seeing all these problems with teams recently.
I especially feel bad for aLive, Oz, and NightEnd.
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Did anyone see that walkthrough video they made of the gaming house back when they first opened it? The place was essentially a god damn mansion in downtown Seoul. I'm not surprised that after losing 4 big Korean players they had to close the doors on the place.
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On January 11 2013 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher. That sucks :/ Wouldn't mind seeing Nani on fnatic, seems like it would be a good fit for both. Nani and nightend were both und players in war3 and both toss in sc2 ^_^.
Naniwa and NightEnd dont really have the best relationship, still think Fnatic should go with an all swedish lineup. Its worked for them in other games before and communication would be a lot easier since cArns from Sweden. I'd love to see something like:
Naniwa
SaSe
Seiplo
Bischu
MorroW (as T)
SortOf
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Maybe they are shutting down the house because they will be starting up the Fnatic Starleague (FSL) and the newly built studio will also house the team! Am I dreaming too big?
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I'm not surprised so many foreign teams don't renew their contracts with Koreans. Outside of winning tournaments they are in general not that good for promoting the teams and their sponsors. Most Koreans in foreign teams could thus be seen as mercenaries (was a popular concept in WC3).
I doubt we'll see fnatic signing any new Koreans in a while. I bet we'll not see them making any big foreign recruits either until a couple of months into HotS. Financially it's hard to estimate the value of a SC2 team now and fnatic as a long running succesive organisation is well aware of this. (Same goes for the compLexity situation.)
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From what I can see the place was clearly too big to justify the costs. Not surprised at that, the place is like prime real estate given its location :-S Dunno why they leased such an expensive apartment in the first place...
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Or EGTL to replace one of those teams. Would love to see them in the GSTL.
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Can you play in the GSTL with only 6 players??
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On January 11 2013 05:51 Elroi wrote:
Can you play in the GSTL with only 6 players??
Yes u Need only 5 Members...
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On January 11 2013 05:51 Elroi wrote:
Can you play in the GSTL with only 6 players??
Yes, 6 is the minimum afaik, also, it would probably be a bit silly for EG/TL to commit to GSTL when they're playing Proleague. The distraction of so many individual tournaments is already a lot.
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It seems like its just the gaming house being shut down and not the SC2 team - the sky is not falling 
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Hwanni what have you done?!
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On January 11 2013 05:55 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 05:51 Elroi wrote:
Can you play in the GSTL with only 6 players?? Yes, 6 is the minimum afaik, also, it would probably be a bit silly for EG/TL to commit to GSTL when they're playing Proleague. The distraction of so many individual tournaments is already a lot.
I don't think it'd be silly at all. It's more practice and is always a all-kill format; whereas, Pro League only two rounds are all-kill, rest are individual. It would also possibly increase viewers for GSTL for GSL. Not to mention, Stephano could have the possibility to all kill any team in the GSTL.
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Not really that surprising. I believe that the only way foreign team houses can pull in enough attention to justify a team house in korea is by playing in GSTL or Proleague to keep attention coming in for their whole team and not just specific individuals who have success in tournaments.
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Naniwa and NightEnd dont really have the best relationship...
Referring to their time as teammates on mTw?
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They are probably just moving to a bigger house ... right? right???? it has to be.... =(
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This announcement is very close to the one of axiom finding a house. Maybe they bought this one? They said "as soon as january 10th" iirc. Would make sense if this is in a good location close to the gom studios.
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fnatic should go back to be a foreign team ... way more famous then !
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Damn, I'm kinda surprised by this. I don't want another disband
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On January 11 2013 05:36 pencil_ethics wrote:
From what I can see the place was clearly too big to justify the costs. Not surprised at that, the place is like prime real estate given its location :-S Dunno why they leased such an expensive apartment in the first place...
Too big? It was just a apartment where they could barely fit their all the computers etc with bulkbeads or am I completely wrong here?
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When I did see Hwanni did leave/got money offer from EG, I didn't see this gaming house last long.
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On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G.
Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground.
If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2.
I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division...
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Man, if fnatics sc2 squad disbands, it's a huge blow to the scene IMO. Fnatic, such a big and established team in the esport scene.
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Nooooooooooooooo! PLEASE NO!
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Sad but i think a lot of people saw it coming. I'll happily trade Fnatic/TSL for Azubu/Axiom they seem to have a much better business/team enviroment that should breed more success imo (It would be cool to have them all)
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I don't think Axiom has enough players to compete by themselves in the GSTL, I could see EGTL participating as well as Azubu but Axiom seems pretty unlikely
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On January 11 2013 07:24 Laplaces_imp wrote:
I don't think Axiom has enough players to compete by themselves in the GSTL, I could see EGTL participating as well as Azubu but Axiom seems pretty unlikely
Axiom will be in GSTL, they are picking up Alicia and Heart and working on a deal with Acer which will have MMA play with them as well.
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Well it seems Fnatic wants to focus on being an european team again since they invited their actual player to live in Europe.
Lets go King of Europe now ! ^_^
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On January 11 2013 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher. That sucks :/ Wouldn't mind seeing Nani on fnatic, seems like it would be a good fit for both. Nani and nightend were both und players in war3 and both toss in sc2 ^_^.
From watching Naniwa's GSL run and how much he has been flip flopping on teams I don't think he feels he fits in any where or he probably would have stayed on one of his past teams instead of leaving everyone
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On January 11 2013 07:47 GGodSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher. That sucks :/ Wouldn't mind seeing Nani on fnatic, seems like it would be a good fit for both. Nani and nightend were both und players in war3 and both toss in sc2 ^_^. From watching Naniwa's GSL run and how much he has been flip flopping on teams I don't think he feels he fits in any where or he probably would have stayed on one of his past teams instead of leaving everyone
wait are we talking coinflip and fnatic ?
Fnatic has naama your agument is invalid :D
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On January 11 2013 07:49 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 07:47 GGodSlayer wrote:On January 11 2013 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher. That sucks :/ Wouldn't mind seeing Nani on fnatic, seems like it would be a good fit for both. Nani and nightend were both und players in war3 and both toss in sc2 ^_^. From watching Naniwa's GSL run and how much he has been flip flopping on teams I don't think he feels he fits in any where or he probably would have stayed on one of his past teams instead of leaving everyone wait are we talking coinflip and fnatic ? Fnatic has naama your agument is invalid :D
"flip flopping", not coin flipping. :p
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On January 11 2013 06:54 testthewest wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G. Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground. If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2. I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division...
Korea is not the sacred land of esports..
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Are Fnatic and coL to shut down at the same time now? Axiom is still a small team and could potentially pick up many players, Azubu are reasonably likely to expand given their race-imbalance, what other teams could the players go to? Maybe someone will join MMA in Acer?
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On January 11 2013 03:35 PixelNite wrote:
So this happen when they said one month ago they have some big stuff planned for SC2. Weird
well somehow this is big -.-.
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The team itself is ok (Fnatic.LOL is doing exceptionally) but the SC2 division is lacking.
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I love how a lot of people in this thread seem to think that any Team that has SC2 players is a StarCraft 2 team only. Fnatic as an organisation is fine and as a StarCraft 2 team is fine. I posted earlier on the front page of this post and NightEnD also posted, things with the StarCraft division aren't going backwards they're very much so going forwards. Stay tuned, and quit this sky is falling bullshit it's getting boring.
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On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher.
I've asked cArn (fnatic's Chief Gaming Officer) more then once, and they will not sign naniwa.
I think it's sad, cuz fnatic is a great team with a lot of greatness in it's history, wich most ppl in sc2 wouldn't know about, and I'd like to see nani in that kind of a team.
Anyway, hope everything works out for fnatic, definitly one of my fav teams!
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ares moon rain and byul are not BIG names..
maybe they will recruit new players
like symbol or hyun.
they have a healthy team now
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On January 11 2013 07:47 GGodSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 05:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On January 11 2013 04:52 Eee wrote:On January 11 2013 04:46 mikkmagro wrote:
in b4 Fnatic goes all Scandinavian with NaNiwa, SaSe and MorroW 8) they're not biding for Naniwa according to Slasher. That sucks :/ Wouldn't mind seeing Nani on fnatic, seems like it would be a good fit for both. Nani and nightend were both und players in war3 and both toss in sc2 ^_^. From watching Naniwa's GSL run and how much he has been flip flopping on teams I don't think he feels he fits in any where or he probably would have stayed on one of his past teams instead of leaving everyone
once he faced a zerg, he's out.
no matter it is a patch one or not
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On January 11 2013 06:54 testthewest wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G. Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground. If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2. I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division...
The only thing that's confirmed is that they're moving out of that place. And a house like they had really doesn't make a lot of sense in their current situation. There's several soccer teams out there who can tell you why "well then just get more players" isn't always the best of options either. Not to mention it not being as simple as "just put players in Korea and they'll start owning" anymore. As for them leaving Korea not boding well for SC2, I think you may be overestimating their current relevance a bit, but if anything that's probably something they'll be wanting to focus on, from whichever geographical base.
Fact is, we don't know any of their current plans. It could well be they are pulling out of SC2, which seems like something you'd tell your players but ok. That's just one scenario though. They could get another place, work with another team, shift priorities to acquiring other players or playing in different markets, whatever.. we don't know.
What we do know is that many'll pick the most drama option in their responses however and that's just been proven again, so well done there at least.
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On January 11 2013 08:13 pNRG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 06:54 testthewest wrote:On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G. Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground. If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2. I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division... Korea is not the sacred land of esports..
Any way to back that claim?
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fnatic is one of the largest eSports organizations in Europe, they're not dying. If anything they're just pulling out of Korea, which could be bad news for aLive and Oz. I don't see this change affecting any of their European players or their organization on a whole. Doesn't really make sense to have a Korean training house when you have 2 players in Korea.
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well since Fnatic dominate in FPS and MOBA, i don't see their SC2 do anything like.
Hope aLive and Oz will be fine
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On January 11 2013 11:20 foxj wrote:
well since Fnatic dominate in FPS and MOBA, i don't see their SC2 do anything like.
Hope aLive and Oz will be fine
1.6 is gone and I wouldn't say they dominate LoL, they're a top3 foreign team. And it's gonna be interesting to see if they will remain so since Rekkles is gone now. But that's all off topic :p.
Hope aLive will be fine, too.
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On January 11 2013 10:38 BretZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 08:13 pNRG wrote:On January 11 2013 06:54 testthewest wrote:On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G. Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground. If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2. I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division... Korea is not the sacred land of esports.. Any way to back that claim?
Sacred land of Esports is Brazilia Nation.
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Haha so happy. Hope this team totally goes under and Alive ends up in a good team like LGIM.
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On January 11 2013 13:36 redviper wrote:
Haha so happy. Hope this team totally goes under and Alive ends up in a good team like LGIM.
why would you hope a team goes under? Especially Fnatic, which has been around for so long and has such a rich history in esports?
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On January 11 2013 13:40 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 13:36 redviper wrote:
Haha so happy. Hope this team totally goes under and Alive ends up in a good team like LGIM. why would you hope a team goes under? Especially Fnatic, which has been around for so long and has such a rich history in esports?
Beacuse of the shit way they treated Moon. Any an organization that releases a statement like that deserves bankruptcy.
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bad news for a nice team....
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On January 11 2013 14:13 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 13:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On January 11 2013 13:36 redviper wrote:
Haha so happy. Hope this team totally goes under and Alive ends up in a good team like LGIM. why would you hope a team goes under? Especially Fnatic, which has been around for so long and has such a rich history in esports? Beacuse of the shit way they treated Moon. Any an organization that releases a statement like that deserves bankruptcy.
lmfao. thats... Moon got paid very well by fnatic and didn't deliver. can't believe people got so upset about that.
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Kind of a pity that stuff like this is happening, really hope that what Nightend etc. are saying (that Fnatic isn't screwed) is true.
Alive and Oz have really fallen off, and with ByuL gone, it seems like a lot of the threat in their roster is now kinda done
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On January 11 2013 09:15 Inz` wrote:
I love how a lot of people in this thread seem to think that any Team that has SC2 players is a StarCraft 2 team only. Fnatic as an organisation is fine and as a StarCraft 2 team is fine. I posted earlier on the front page of this post and NightEnD also posted, things with the StarCraft division aren't going backwards they're very much so going forwards. Stay tuned, and quit this sky is falling bullshit it's getting boring.
you keep saying this for a while, yet nothing and i mean nothing changes for the good.
no more teamhouse, if you ask me its the first step of a slow decay.
only a matter of time until fnatic goes full mediocre foreign team, which no one cares about (except 2 or 3 hipster maybe)
if you want to get back on track and shock people and actually get fans on your side, you got to hire Polt, HyuN and Symbol, for the salary Moon received. TSL members got nothing. Its your turn, now or never.
Fnatic can NOW remain relevant or next month already drow into a meaningless nirvana, while other teams take opportunity
They have all their fate now in their hands.
Good luck
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On January 11 2013 14:13 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 13:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On January 11 2013 13:36 redviper wrote:
Haha so happy. Hope this team totally goes under and Alive ends up in a good team like LGIM. why would you hope a team goes under? Especially Fnatic, which has been around for so long and has such a rich history in esports? Beacuse of the shit way they treated Moon. Any an organization that releases a statement like that deserves bankruptcy.
How did they treat Moon badly? He received a salary better than other SC2 players which were above his level, just because of his name, yet he never produced results which justified his salary. He wasn't forced to live in the team house like the rest of the players, so he could live with his wife, which is understandable, but it's an even bigger logistical problem for Fnatic. Then, he practiced WC3 to participate in WCG, rather than concentrate on SC2. He failed the qualify for the GSL for the entirety of 2012, failed to qualify for OSL, He did quite well for Fnatic in GSTL, but since they were dropping out for 2013, he was simply an unnecessary and very expensive investment.
Then his contract ran out, or they mutually decided to part ways, I'm sure there were no hard feelings between them.
Yes, I used to drool over his play in WC3, but he's far from being on the same level here, just like ToD for example. You should you be mad that they simply stated the truth? They merely said that his results weren't up to par, which is the obvious truth - they didn't lie or cover it up like most organisations do. They even acknowledged him as a WC3 legend, as well as his close call achievements.
You should be thankful that they gave him the opportunity to continue his legacy. It didn't work out for either party. I wouldn't be surprised if Moon left because he wanted to retire from SC2. We'll see whether he'll try to qualify for GSL Season 2, and then we'll know.
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On January 11 2013 04:36 LTI_sc2 wrote:
We still have Harstem, everything is all right.
when he was doing some commentary at HSC, he was very funny.
i hopes everything go well for the team!
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That was quick. Man I really want to see Oz getting some good result just like when he was in FXO.
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On January 11 2013 15:23 Inzan1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 09:15 Inz` wrote:
I love how a lot of people in this thread seem to think that any Team that has SC2 players is a StarCraft 2 team only. Fnatic as an organisation is fine and as a StarCraft 2 team is fine. I posted earlier on the front page of this post and NightEnD also posted, things with the StarCraft division aren't going backwards they're very much so going forwards. Stay tuned, and quit this sky is falling bullshit it's getting boring. you keep saying this for a while, yet nothing and i mean nothing changes for the good. no more teamhouse, if you ask me its the first step of a slow decay. only a matter of time until fnatic goes full mediocre foreign team, which no one cares about (except 2 or 3 hipster maybe) if you want to get back on track and shock people and actually get fans on your side, you got to hire Polt, HyuN and Symbol, for the salary Moon received. TSL members got nothing. Its your turn, now or never. Fnatic can NOW remain relevant or next month already drow into a meaningless nirvana, while other teams take opportunity They have all their fate now in their hands. Good luck
Since when korean teamhouse and a bunch of koreans equals successful team ? The things that we know are that they are moving out of their house and they are not participating in GSTL. That probably means that fnatic didn't find what they were seeking in Korea and are pulling out of there. It looks like a business decision to me. The foreign market is way bigger anyways.
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Sad news but kinda expected.
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On January 11 2013 11:23 ChriseC wrote:
never liked fnatic
Blasphemy! They've been an esports staple since pretty much the very beginning. Pioneers, if you will.
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On January 11 2013 04:36 LTI_sc2 wrote:
We still have Harstem, everything is all right.
No you don't, he transformed into Mr.Bitter
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Maybe moving to a bigger house?
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On January 11 2013 10:38 BretZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 08:13 pNRG wrote:On January 11 2013 06:54 testthewest wrote:On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G. Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground. If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2. I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division... Korea is not the sacred land of esports.. Any way to back that claim?
Korea is the sacred land of starcraft (or was at least). Esports isn't just starcraft, for example China is the sacred land of Dota 1/2.
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A bit surprised, but I guess that they are going to focus their resources somewhere else
On January 12 2013 13:25 dooraven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 10:38 BretZ wrote:On January 11 2013 08:13 pNRG wrote:On January 11 2013 06:54 testthewest wrote:On January 11 2013 04:55 schimmetje wrote:
Hmm. New teams promise sun, moon AND all the stars in the sky -> get cheered on all the way through the inevitable fuckups. Established name makes sane financial decision -> funeral held in advance.
G.G. Well the funeral is more the suspicion that SC2 is losing more ground. If they leave Korea, the sacred land of esports, this doesn't bode well for SC2. I don't think we need to fear that any big and old multi-game-team will disband because of it's SC2 division... Korea is not the sacred land of esports.. Any way to back that claim? Korea is the sacred land of starcraft (or was at least). Esports isn't just starcraft, for example China is the sacred land of Dota 1/2.
And the sacred landed of CounterStrike is Sweden. For example, NiP hasn't lost a map on LAN-events in CS:GO (But hey have been beaten online)
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On January 11 2013 04:22 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 04:18 t e a C h e r wrote:
Wowwww Fnatic is so legit, this house in korea would be the icing on the cake.
Grats Fnatic, make it happen! Uhhh. Yep, didn't read much did ya?
made me lol
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Axiom's going to need at least 3 more players if they want to join a GSTL.
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