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On January 07 2013 12:37 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 12:23 Kettchup wrote: I've actually been most impressed by his micro and battle management. It's kind of the opposite of Jaedong right now, who has great overall strategies and then just screws it up in the end by sending his banelings in the wrong direction. Flash's weakness right now seems to be in the strategic department. Starting off with his CC first, or not putting down a bunker, and then paying for it. exaclty the same was said about flash back in bw days when he got eliminated from msl by kwanro of all people. half a year later, he started the most successful and dominating year professional rts gaming has ever witnessed.
this by far is the most exciting thing for me. it's like he's regressed back a few years back to his old bw days and is trying to find perfection again. it came at a cost in bw to 14cc every game also, but a year later it paid off
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He is one of the best Kespa players, and could easily be low Code S level. Rain seems to be the only Kespa player who is on par with the top ESF players. That may change with time, considering the unmatched training discipline these guys possess.
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I think he can beat anyone in the world on any given day.
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I think the big question with these top Kespa players (and all pros for that matter) is whether hots will break their stride. We're just a few months away from when most tournaments will begin the switch, and I doubt that the top Kespa and gsl players are playing a lot of hots at the moment.
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I would rank him code A as he couldn't even qualify for code S yet, so until he at least makes it to code S, he will always be code A-B
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On January 07 2013 12:59 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 12:45 SupLilSon wrote:On January 07 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2013 12:25 SupLilSon wrote:On January 07 2013 11:19 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2013 11:16 SupLilSon wrote: I'd say he's easily a top5 Korean Terran but dunno if that really qualifies you for Code S these days. There are 10 other Terrans in Code S, how does that make any sense ;o I don't think Code S necessarily represents the strongest players anymore is all. Why do you think that? I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. If Flash had simply defeated Baby in Code A instead of losing he would already be Code S without having to deal with up/downs at all. There are a lot more good players nowadays, but the best rise to the top and It's always been that way. Yes there are Code S level players outside Code S, because there are so many more players nowadays, but the best of the best are still there consistently. Mvp is getting an award for being in Code S for 10 seasons in a row, despite that sc2 is more random than BW It's still not THAT random if you're truly the best. See Life, Been in GSL for 3 seasons, already a two time champion. You kinda answered your own question I think. IMO Flash is one of those players who could consistently perform in Code S. BaBy is one of the Terrans I'd rank in top 5 so I don't think Flash losing to him in a Bo3 proves him unworthy of Code S. So you think the qualification system should be better and more indepth...or what? The ones who win their games are the ones who get into Code S, how are they not the best?
So each GSL winner is automatically the best player on earth? More than a few champions and tons of runner ups have fallen off, some rather quickly and others over time. No I don't think the GSL system needs to be more in depth. Obviously getting to Code S is a major accomplishment, I'm not trying to downplay that fact. I think BaBy was one of the worse opponents for him to face and given a different draw he could have made it to Code S. If each season's Code S solidly defined the top players then threads like this wouldn't exist, no?
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Doesn't really matter how good he is now. The rate he's improving, he'll be on top soon enough, that is unless Blizzard further nerfs terran to the ground.
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On January 07 2013 13:39 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 12:59 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2013 12:45 SupLilSon wrote:On January 07 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2013 12:25 SupLilSon wrote:On January 07 2013 11:19 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2013 11:16 SupLilSon wrote: I'd say he's easily a top5 Korean Terran but dunno if that really qualifies you for Code S these days. There are 10 other Terrans in Code S, how does that make any sense ;o I don't think Code S necessarily represents the strongest players anymore is all. Why do you think that? I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. If Flash had simply defeated Baby in Code A instead of losing he would already be Code S without having to deal with up/downs at all. There are a lot more good players nowadays, but the best rise to the top and It's always been that way. Yes there are Code S level players outside Code S, because there are so many more players nowadays, but the best of the best are still there consistently. Mvp is getting an award for being in Code S for 10 seasons in a row, despite that sc2 is more random than BW It's still not THAT random if you're truly the best. See Life, Been in GSL for 3 seasons, already a two time champion. You kinda answered your own question I think. IMO Flash is one of those players who could consistently perform in Code S. BaBy is one of the Terrans I'd rank in top 5 so I don't think Flash losing to him in a Bo3 proves him unworthy of Code S. So you think the qualification system should be better and more indepth...or what? The ones who win their games are the ones who get into Code S, how are they not the best? So each GSL winner is automatically the best player on earth? More than a few champions and tons of runner ups have fallen off, some rather quickly and others over time. No I don't think the GSL system needs to be more in depth. Obviously getting to Code S is a major accomplishment, I'm not trying to downplay that fact. I think BaBy was one of the worse opponents for him to face and given a different draw he could have made it to Code S. If each season's Code S solidly defined the top players then threads like this wouldn't exist, no?
I have no idea what this has to do with what you said originally, but to answer your question, winning GSL means you are the best player in that season. Since the GSL is the hardest league it makes you the best player until the next season.
Sure, Flash could win games in code s and go far potentially, why not. I just don't understand why you said GSL doesn't show the best players, because the best player ( Life ) is in Code S, and winning GSL twice made him the best player.
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IDK i think Flash is borderline CODE S but honestly within a couple of months will be making ro16 appereances in GSL code S.
his tvp is sooo good.
EDIT: Also he looked a little flimsy vs Revival who isn't the greatest zerg player.
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has he played life or parting recently?
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On January 07 2013 13:56 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 13:19 dsousa wrote: I think he can beat anyone in the world on any given day.
That goes for a lot of players. If you are talking about BO1 that is. I can think of at least 10 players he would have a very small chance against in a BO5.
Rain, + 9 Zergs?
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On January 07 2013 14:15 MysteryMeat1 wrote: IDK i think Flash is borderline CODE S but honestly within a couple of months will be making ro16 appereances in GSL code S.
his tvp is sooo good.
EDIT: Also he looked a little flimsy vs Revival who isn't the greatest zerg player.
Revivals better then you think .
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On January 07 2013 13:56 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 13:19 dsousa wrote: I think he can beat anyone in the world on any given day.
That goes for a lot of players. If you are talking about BO1 that is. I can think of at least 10 players he would have a very small chance against in a BO5. Not sure who those 10 might be who can outright sweep or make it seem completely one-sided against Flash.. Maybe its my fanboy-ism talking but..
Off the top of my head.
Zergs: FXO.Leenock. ST Life Hyun
(Not DRG (already beaten on record), Not Symbol (chokes hard vs Kespa players), Not Sniper (it'd be a close series with Sniper having a slight edge), Stephano (close series with Stephano having the edge), Soulkey (edge Flash in this one), Jaedong (close series, about even), meh to Violet.
Protoss: Creator.Prime SKT T1 Rain
Squirtle/Seed/MC/herO/HerO/Parting would all have very close series with Flash.
Terran: FXO.Gumiho Fantasy
MVP = No because he's injured and recovering.. Bomber = Too inconsistent Taeja = very interesting series with edge on Taeja Baby= Harassment vs Strategy in this close series Innovation = One game sample size...havent seen too many of his TvTs MKP = close series Polt = Strategy vs Force.. Byun = *shrugs*
theres less than 10 players IMO where Flash is heavily unfavored to win
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He's not overhyped, but he is overpriced in FPL. Well, most high price players in FPL are, he's not the worst case at all, somewhere in the middle and better. As to his level in SC2, just wait. In a year his results will be telling the story better than us speculating. I'm not 100% sure he would be able to dominate SC2 in any totality, but I expect pretty good results from him.
The thing is, Flash has this winner sense and stamina, he knows how to win a tournament and makes it happen. When put in a league with similarly skilled players, he would be the guy that finds a way to that first place. He gets winning, in a nutshell.
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On January 07 2013 14:21 triforks wrote: has he played life or parting recently?
Flash has never played Parting; but I feel it would be an awesome awesome match; given Flash's storm dodging skills, and Parting's incredibly strong PvT
Life has played Flash 6 times in the MLG Flash went up 2-0 And then Life demolished him in the next 4 to take the series.
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You aren't Code S until you are in Code S for two seasons. In my humble opinion.
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its probably all about maps
let him play spl maps which he knows 100000000000% better than any non kespa player (bw maps in sc2 style ?) he got the edge over most players out there in my opinion
he could disable life on spl maps in a bo7 in my oppinion and al other esf players too
but drop him on gsl maps and u see what happens -.-
just look at the last spl result vs egtl
killed hero on antiga (tvp fav map) killed revival in very close game on onaha (definitly NOT a zerg map) killed taeja on a map in tvt without watch towers what is not common for sc2 players but resembles his style perfectly well and he outsmarted jyp (y i know stats dont show the skill in matchup for sure but somehow i m sure jyp is not known for his pvt 25% ?)
the moment he defeats a zerg on daybreak , a toss on onaha and stephano on antiga i probably stop arguing about this
right now his play in spl looked total frightening and dominating but in gsl he simply got crushed -.-
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On January 07 2013 14:39 eqinf wrote: its probably all about maps
let him play spl maps which he knows 100000000000% better than any non kespa player (bw maps in sc2 style ?) he got the edge over most players out there in my opinion
he could disable life on spl maps in a bo7 in my oppinion and al other esf players too
but drop him on gsl maps and u see what happens -.-
just look at the last spl result vs egtl
killed hero on antiga (tvp fav map) killed revival in very close game on onaha (definitly NOT a zerg map) killed taeja on a map in tvt without watch towers what is not common for sc2 players but resembles his style perfectly well and he outsmarted jyp (y i know stats dont show the skill in matchup for sure but somehow i m sure jyp is not known for his pvt 25% ?)
the moment he defeats a zerg on daybreak , a toss on onaha and stephano on antiga i probably stop arguing about this
right now his play in spl looked total frightening and dominating but in gsl he simply got crushed -.-
He didn't "get crushed" in GSL. He went 3-2. MC, who advanced into code S, also went 3-2.
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He is like mid code A level which is hardly an insult (top 64 players in the world). He hasn't played enough games to know how to deal with many of the crazy old allins that are rarely used anymore
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