Thoughts: One or two all star level player capable of scoring a high kill streak is essential, Taeja and Bogus are very reliable on this. Jaehoon already showed great potential in last season and R1, he could be a solid back up (and that's a lesson I learnt from putting him in my anti team last round!). For team, SKT1 has the rain factor, in a all-kill format they could do very well.
I don't really like my team to be honest. I bailed on Fantasy and picked Flash as my capt, bec I think he is worth a few long kill streaks in All Kill format. Flying seems undervalued at a 2, but he hasn't been performing great. I'm keeping Dear and Classic from my previous team; I felt Dear was my best value player, while I am still hoping for a Classic comeback. I have a feeling Revival is going to be the EGTL Zerg ace over Jaedong and Stephano.
Effort because, I dunno. Out of the 8s he seems the weakest, and I don't think he has the stamina. Zenio won't play this round because of JD Revival and Stephano. Turn is... Turn.
Will probably still change this up a bit; will likely replace Classic, Wooki and Effort.
Fantasy and herO are both fairly good players who are likely to rack up some kills, Hydra and Last are fairly good as well. Mini is Code A, and a bit undervalued at 1 I feel. ParalyzE? I needed a 2 pointer, and I needed the afro. Can't lose with the afro. Decided to bet on SKT for this one, mostly because I think KT is up for a fight vs EGL this week, as EGL is a lot more used to the all-kill format.
Anti, I decided to trust my gut on going against Light. Stork on anti worked well in R1 - watch him turn a shocker on us and bust out the all-kill Wooki... Eh. I feel like he overperformed in R1, and I don't think he can hold it up in the long run.
It was hard construct my main but I feel I managed to make a team without conflict of interest. Fantasy was my main carry in the first round and hon-sin did so well I had to trade Dear (sadly, he was pretty good, imo too) in. Wanted free but Light won his last two matches so I have confidence in him wrecking as much in sctoo as he used to in BW. WJ as a team was obvious but iI was almost unable to pick a last man without fucking up my idea of restricting myself with two teams, so there is no counter when I found Flying who I think is a steal, really for a whopping TWO points.
Flash is Flash. Very solid solid player. Flash + All-Kill-Format = Fun Fun Fun. I'm also sticking with KT as my team. The rest of the team is just solid players, and Bisu. I'm really hoping he breaks through soon, he's one of my fav players and I want to see him do well.
The anti team is pretty straight forward. I'm planning on adjusting it after the first few matches. Thanks, and good luck everyone!
I was trying to spread out my team so that i didn't double up too much on one team. While it isn't that big of a deal for proleague, i think this changes a lot more in an all kill format were one person can bring in major points. I think taeja overall is just a solid bet and he should be raking in the points as well. Since the maps are already pre-chosen i think we will definitely see some snipers in their as well. I think SK T1 will have the best chance at the all kill format. I was also debating about whether to choose baby from T* or Shy from WJS but i decided to place absolute trust in Major in get some good points, now that he has motivation to practice on his kespa team. I also liked classic since they let him play a bit, was going to pick shine over classic but it seems SAM have lost faith in SHINE atm since they stopped sending him out every week.
I don't like my team. I'm pretty terrible at Fantasy things, my last one was pretty horrid as well. Fantasy doesn't really need any explanation. I feel like it's just a matter of time until Bisu finds his feet in SC2, and considering how well Revival did in IPTL vs FXO, I feel he's fairly cheap at 3. RorO and ZerO, I dunno. I guess I picked 'em just because everytime I expected them to win last round, they didn't.
First time trying this, exited :D Teaja as captain seemed a no brainer, he is really good, almost always guaranteed to play and very streaky. Revival seemed really good to, and a nice cheap player. SonGduri is my hipster pick, so far he went really under the radar but he won almost all his round 1 matches. Thorzain and Zenio might not have been the smartest picks, but they where cheap and TLEG really likes playing them, so I have faith. Jeahoon just because.
Anti: Same reason for all three to be honest, I don't see them doing well, aslo I don't like afro's.
First and foremost, those bastards Jaehoon and Skyhigh dug me into a huge anti-team hole last season, so I kicked them off.. and they ended up on my main (4 and 3 points respectively is pretty good value from what I saw). Instead of doing the mass KT player method like last season, this time I wanted to use players from all different teams. It didn't work out that way, (just like Action and Wooki too much) but I like having some rooting interest spread out more. Didn't pick Flash this time because his recent losses made him look a bit fallible, and he's probably going to have at least one sniper practicing just for him. Instead I picked TaeJa, and did this simply because I think that he can tear this format apart (as noted in IPTL, etc). Picked Khan for mathematical reasons only.
Anti-team... well, Bisu's still there. The others I'm totally gambling on. We'll see.
And of course I'll probably change this around before the deadline
didnt do so well last round but still hes a steal for 3 points 5 Dear (captain) shown hes really good and can take out players like soulkey. also used as pvp sniper and aced for stx 9 Fantasy did pretty damn good last round. plus hes starting this week. 2 Flying although he did poorly last round hes a steal for 2 points 3 Revival my gamble here. I dream he can all-kill kt. did well in GSTL. 4 Speed seemed to be the most solid player on t8 last round. starts a match and will probably play the other one too.
i also have a player for each team. cept for khan 4 [tlpd#teams#sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]
I still think SKT is the best team outhere Anti Team 3 Bisu lets hope the toss master is still sleeping 4 hyvaa did poor for stx last round
6 RorO seems to be slumping. his zvz not so good either. might be the worst choice ever roro on anti....
Main Team 1 Acacia For team points 10 Flash (captain) Flash is pretty consistent, I can see an All-Kill coming out of him 3 Motive Isn't Motive the secret KT gosu? 2 Puma PuMa seems like he'll be able to pull off 2-kills and 3-kills from time to time 1 Snow For team points 9 TaeJa After the Summer of TaeJa, how can you not put TaeJa in the All-Kill round? 4 SK Telecom T1 SKT has too many aces, lots of aces = heavy hitting power in all-kill format
Anti Team 5 hOn_sin 5 JYP 3 Terminator I'm crossing my fingers and hoping these guys flop
Main Team I wanted Flash so bad for my fantasy team, but I think he would have downgraded my whole team too much with his high value. Fantasy has been preforming well in all matchups, and I easily think he was worth a 9. BByong and majOr are both in my opinion two very solid terrans players, even though majOr haven't played proleague before. I didn't lay much thought behind Calm and s2, I only knew about s2 victory over Jaedong, and I think he is a strong player. I don't even expect Calm to play. Last but not least, I thought Wooki was an rather obvious pick, since he has been performing very well recently.
Anti Team I haven't been impressed by either Puma or HerO, and I don't expect it to change. Hyvaa thought, when proleague started, I thought we would be one of the absolute strongest Zerg players around, but that haven't been the case, as he often underperformed.
Went with a more stats based team this time, trying to do it like a statistician would Just gotta hope Bogus does not like the All Kill format.
Also Revival is the biggest steal in the PL, if people haven't got Revival in their team for how cheap he is and how good he does in these formats, then they are silly :3
My thought process was go with 3 solid players that will play every match. For this reason I avoided KT players because you can't be sure what players will play because they have a stacked roster right now. So I picked 3 aces in Taeja, Bogus, and Roro. I expect all 3 of them to play in every match and I'm hoping they each produce multiple wins. I didn't go with Fantasy or Rain because it is a guessing game between who will be sent out first. I would hate to pick Fantasy and see Rain get an all kill. I skipped Flash as well because his TvT seems very weak so it feels like he can get sniped rather easily. I don't see why anyone would skip Taeja in this format but maybe I will eat my words lol. Bogus and Roro both seem capable of all kills as well so they were obvious choices for me. My other 3 players are all from KT so I'm just expecting to get 3 points for each KT win. I went with SKT as my team because I think between Rain and Fantasy they should earn some decent points in this format. I am not too confident in my anti team but I guess I will just see how it plays out.
On January 03 2013 18:20 KristofferAG wrote: I forgot that this round was Winners League format, so I'd probably have picked another lineup if I had remembered that -.-
4 zergs because zerg is probably way better in this format. Also I've liked C-H and ZerO way back before they even came up with making glasses with no lenses. I dunno what's with Calm I though he played Terran or w/evs but if he switched back he'll probably get me some wins too, if not I'll switch him for a EG player for a few giggles. free for protoss because he's cheap and if he can get a few wins that's just dandy, got hOnsin for T because his price was right. Anyway I tried to dodge all the last-boss type guys, these guys get thrown out a bit earlier and can therefore potentially get more wins n shit if one of them starts mewrdering.
Oh yeah, and Bisu is the real captain for me, last round there was a few flukes but now I'm confident he'll deliver. RorO to screw up my FPL and Trap because his name is funny.
Main Team 8 Baby (captain) BaBy... So disappointing last round and here I am making him my captain. Call me crazy, but I have faith this kid will pull out some sick numbers. 5 Dear Dear was the most impressive cheap Protoss in the last round and he has earned my pick again. He will get revenge against Wooki and crush his soul this week. 5 hOn_sin Sin has been a surprise for me. At 5 points and a 2-2 record against top tier Terrans (most of which were ace players) you can hardly say no to this kid. Being on a stacked team like Stars can be a gamble though as it's very likely that Shy, ZerO, and Soulkey could get all kills before he even plays. 3 Revival My Action of this round. I think this guy will do extremely well for some reason. 2 ThorZain Kind of a throwaway pick, but he is currently the 2nd best Terran on EG-TL and will clearly be an option if a Terran is needed. I'll be looking at him to get one, maybe two kills per week. 5 ZerO Again, probably not the smartest idea to select the 2nd best zerg on such a stacked team, but he done good for me last round and even surprised me with a win against RorO. 2 Team 8 T8 is shaping up nicely... but this was more of a numbers pick. The only other options were KHAN and STX and I don't see either doing well this week. T8 however could very likely go 2-0 as they are facing a slumpy CJ and KHAN.
Anti Team 5 Crazy-Hydra 2 hOpe 6 JangBi Crazy-Hydra seems more of a sniper to me in this type of format. I doubt he'll put up big numbers. hOpe will never see time. JangBi's big week was a fluke imo.
My general strategy for the main team this round is get two big name players that will play every match and are likely to multi kill, and fill out the rest with two decent supporting players and two players who most likely won't play but will provide points if their team wins. Betting on Stars and SKT to do well here, It was nice to see SKT at only 4 points, that made things easier. Every time either Stars or SKT wins I will get 3 points, since they are two of the top teams in Round 1 I figure this is a relatively safe bet. Flying did very poorly in Round 1 which caused his two point score, but if he turns it around, advances from the up/downs and starts doing well in PL it will be the best 2 point investment ever.
For the anti team It's pretty simple, pick one high point player who I think will do the worst of all of them in exchange for being able to pick two players who are unlikely to play a single game this round. If EG-TL starts doing really well it may end up biting me since I will take a -2 for each EG-TL match win. I had to pick a player worth at least 8 points, out of all the choices Effort has the worst record in Round 1 and is not in the GSL. If he goes on a tear I'm probably screwed, but if it turns out that he wins very rarely and Idra and Zenio both play 0 games I'll look like a genius
Baby / Taeja = Two aces with impressive showing. T8 / EGL team points Flying at 2 points is a steal. WJS team points Mini at 1 point who actually gets sent out is a steal. STX team points Reality at 3 points might seem high, but look up this guy's bloody match ups, holy shit the man's got it hard and still won against bogus and baby. Samsung team points. Revival at 3 points is a steal given how well he performs in team league. EGL team points. SKT T1 for only 4 points is a steal, Two aces in fantasy / rain who are super high point value in the same team?
Hitman easiest anti ever, 3 points and might not get sent out. JYP has crippling disability in one match up, this is winners league man. Stork Yes I realize I didn't pick a single KT player and infact Anti-ed one, they are way too expensive -_- Then again I can cheer for KT with out worrying about FPL bull shit :3
Main Team 5 Crazy-Hydra Was about to pick him last season but got cheap and picked Hoejja instead, oh well. 9 TaeJa (captain) Tough call between him and Fanta, had both last season but too expensive now. 4 Jaehoon Had him on my anti last season like many others... 2 Major Probably not even playing for all I know but I needed some 2 pointer as last pick. 3 Ryul2 Picked up based on his record and low cost. 3 Zenio Needed a 3-point player and EG-TL player and he should play regularly with 50% w/l. 4 SK Telecom T1 Cheaper than KT and EG-TL with couple really strong players with all-kill potential.
Anti Team 4 hyvaa Unimpressive record with high cost. 3 Revival No idea about his current shape but should lose to Flash at least. 6 RorO Might be going out for Stephano once possible.
Dear and Sin both might do you in even worse than RorO. Dear is the best protoss on STX and Sin is the best Terran on WJS. Both will easily get play time, especially if a map calls for their specific race.
But if I had to guess what I'm doing. Jaedong still seems far more expensive than his in game worth, I don't think he'll get enough multi kills to really destroy my anti team. That said, he's still gonna get me some negatives for sure. Hitman and terminator won't get many games or kills imo.
Main team. I had to scrap fantasy! But Soulkey was so worthwhile last season, I think WJS points will be less split between him and shy this time, but it's a flip of the coin which way luck will go. Reality and Hydra are first round players that have a good chance of getting the first win. s2 seemed to be a potential sniper with a 2-1 record last round. Flying and Wooki have decent chances of playing and are worth their cost. Oh and stars have more chance at 2-0 this week than any other team imo.
I really wanted Fantasy and Dear again, but I couldn't afford them plus anyoneelseatall.
Bbyong was really inexpensive and I have faith in his power, so he gets captain spot Fantasy is a total nerd baller and as a bonus with him as the opener, I can trade him after week1 if he's actually a total samsung player Jaehoon, speed, and soO were all solid+relatively cheap picks. Jaehoon is pretty much guaranteed to play for T8, soO is a strong zerg (one of the very few) on SKT, and speed is a player who has shown good performance recently and I think he will get played a lot. Major because he's an established sc2 player and has been pretty strong before- I believe that now that he is living the dream, it will inspire him to work harder and give him the power to hit like a 7-point pick. Picked CJ for the team because they were 3 points and i'm a fanboi and CJ is awesome and skyhigh is going to allkill everyone.
Anti is all samsung, rofl. Shine and Stork were fairly obvious picks (imo). Jangbi I decided to pick just because I don't like him because he beat hero[j] in ace match >
Boy I'm so stoked about the all-kill format. I know Flash has got a lot of the points in the pockets of many users already. Once you peak such an expensive player, it's so hard to choose the rest of the team so I tried my best.
I feel like 5+5+3 is more risky than 8+3+2, with the first option at least 2 of them will be regular players for their teams, while in the second option you can get two players very unlikely to play matches in the all kill round where you can only send out 4 players per match instead of 6 + ace.
Main Team 2 Alone Unproved but looked good for 2 pointer. 3 Last The guy who can probably get 3 kills but not 4 kills. 3 Light I hope he get to play more! 3 Revival Beat FXO core players and only 3 points. Grab him fast! 8 Shy (captain) Strong around all match-up and seemingly weakest match-up PvZ looked better now 7 Stats PvP master and no weak match-up. 4 SK Telecom T1 Rain looked like a guy who can all-kill most of the team with back-up Fantasy,Soo and Best.
Anti Team
3 Bisu Nothing to add =( 5 hOn_sin HOn_sin looked like a preparation player so I put him down on my Anti-team. Probably score a win once in a while 5 Stork
Guess I am the only one with Shy as captain =). Damn KT too much points and unproved in Winner League.
On January 03 2013 19:14 Dodgin wrote: I feel like 5+5+3 is more risky than 8+3+2, with the first option at least 2 of them will be regular players for their teams, while in the second option you can get two players very unlikely to play matches in the all kill round where you can only send out 4 players per match instead of 6 + ace.
On January 03 2013 19:09 Salteador Neo wrote: I can sense Jangbi destroying many antiteams :D
Any tips for another high point guy? Don't come with Roro.
I went with Effort because he was 4-3 last round, and is not in GSL unlike all the other 8+ point players.
Hmmm, perhaps i'll switch to him too, i think he can get sniped rather well so there might not be a big risk that he goes on a killing spree.
Also, maybe IdrA is worse on Anti team than for example MajOr, except if you think MajOr will win some games. You gotta account the possibility of EG-TL winning and netting some points for IdrA.
My logic with regards to this is simple. I based it solely off the first week lineups alone and I'm hoping a few guys win a game or two so their point value goes up. That way I can make more picks for more value! BD Hoping BeSt and Speed manage to win their first games because they're both playing against guys who haven't got the job done in round 1. That way I can hopefully trade for Dear SOON! X_X
I actually thought of switching TaeJa for Fantasy, but there's two reasons I'm not doing so. I'm going for a proper gamble that TaeJa is going to get sniped or will be sent out as Ace given how good EGL is overall, while I'm nearly sure Fantasy is going to be sent out early, because they don't want to lose Rain early to snipes and they have three other players who can counter-snipe (BeSt/soO/Sacsri) if necessary.
Jangbi and Stats are also solid players that will always see play, filling the same role that Fantasy does (Jangbi for RorO even though he's on a slide lately, and Stats for Flash) and can deliver big-time given the opportunity (Stats AK from BW is still something that I remember)
I thought about the following combinations (Last/Hydra or Last/Light or Speed/Flying) to fill out my last 6 points as I went with Khan because team points are not as important this round and had the following pros and cons:
Speed/Flying - Speed will get a LOT of playing time as the 3rd person to Baby and Jaehoon, but may not be winning a lot of games against top-level opposition. Flying is slumping, but I'm willing to bet he'll be back on the line-up given how often he's been fielded. In any case, if WJN wins games, he's guaranteed points. On the other hand, I'm not willing to gamble with T8 winning matches that hard.
Last/Light or Hydra - Last has shown great potential in STX, but given how much talent he has to contend with behind Bogus (Trap, Dear, hyvaa, Classic), I'm not sure he'll always get play-time; as they may be fielding a Bogus/Trap/Dear/hyvaa list. On the other hand, Hydra as the second Z in CJ will probably get played in lieu of sending out EffOrt, but he faces the threat of SonGDuri being a power performer; and Light probably won't see play as they have Shy, Soulkey, hon_sin and ZerO to always field in their line-up.
Anti-team is my big gamble. Since I've doubled-down on not getting Taeja, I'm betting that EGL won't perform very well; and went with Jaedong on my anti along with two two other Zs from EGL. Stephano trade will also probably be made once he enters the pool, thus the Jaedong pick and the hope for an EGL loss.
TL;DR Every team except for EGL is on main, all-EGL anti!
Well, i finally wanted Wooki in my Team, cuz he was godd in KT. Than i needed Rain, becasue somewhere the points must come. I still trust in KT, for obvious reasons. Reality and Thorzain where cheap, and i think that they can do something. On my anti, i don't thing that Major will play so soon, and Bisu wasn't that good in Round one. Now i just hope that herO will not fit well in this format. :D
Main Team 3 Bbyong -cheap for 3 points, hope he does better in r2 5 Dear beleive he is the best protoss in stx 5 hOn_sin surprised me with his play 3 Revival my random factor, he does pretty well in team format 3 Ryul2 cheap with a decent score 9 TaeJa (captain) ...well its team Taeja.. 2 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]Team 8[/tlpd]
Anti Team 3 Bisu ..just lol 4 hyvaa ..did pretty bad in r1 6 JangBi
On January 03 2013 17:53 monk. wrote: #1 Rule of FPL: don't put RorO on your anti-team.
No one ever listens. X_X He's like the only thing Khan has going for them. I'm really hoping bogus continues to play really bogus because he's been far from innovative, but it's another one of those picks you have to be wary of because you know stx is going to send him out every set. QQ
I suck at these due to my bias in favorites,but trying a strategy putting bogus and rain as the focus of my team. If they get steaks, I should do well. The others are simply players Ithink have potential for multiple win games. I put all SAM players in my anti hoping they get 0-4d every time..SAM is a very well balanced team but No real superstars who can carry in my opinion (and that hurts as I'm a huge Stork fan in BW)
Main Team 8 herO[jOin] (captain) Cant decide who to make my captain right now... bouncing between a couple of the 8'ers - mostly hero, shy or baby. Leaning away from baby because he screwed me on anti-team last round and I'm bitter, and towards hero over shy because he's on an overall weaker team, and should therefore be expected to play more. 6 Wooki This was JYP until I realized I was only at 29/30 points. I think wooki, while not as strong a pick as stats (who it appears WILL play any time Ohana comes around) is a great pick; stats is perhaps over-valued for a sniper, even as strong as he is in this format. Wooki seems more flexibile. 5 Crazy-Hydra Wanted a KT Player. Needed a Zerg; couldn't find it in me to make up the extra point for action, and CH played just as well last round, so here he is. I'm not comfortable with this choice, and could just as well take ZerO or soO (the other 5 point zergs). 4 Jaehoon As the second best player on T8, Jaehoon is going to play and he won't entirely disappoint. He's a fair value - not a real prize, but I believe the him to be the only player at 4 points who is worth more than the better 3's. 3 Last Last is a steal at 3 points. Had him as Captain, until I remembered that captains were tie-breakers and wanted to go with someone more established. Good terran, third best player on STX (behind bogus and dear) and played in the OSL and a past code A. I think he will surprise a lot of people this season. 2 Bong[S.G] Nothing to see here. 2 point pick is a 2 point pick. Mostly took him because CJ, and I'm putting my faith in them by taking hero as a captain, so why not stack on two players? If my captain becomes sHy, this pick becomes flying. If it becomes baby, I don't trust T8 to put up wins, so this becomes a throwaway KT or something. 2 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]STX Soul[/tlpd] Not much to say here. Picked this with leftover points. I would like to make up the value somewhere to put SKT here, but that means cutting points elsewhere and I have to talk myself up into that first.
Jangbi is not a clutch player, end of story. Zenio is not going to play with the other zerg options for EGTL (jaedong, stephano) and speed is one of those 4-pointers that I was mentioning being over-value. Plus on T8 I don't have to worry about him picking up bonus points.
TaeJa / Shy : main scorers of the team and high value players. I figured that Soulkey and sHy were both important in WJS, with the same cost and same R1 winrate, but sHy has a far better TLPD stats + he is allrounded (70% all MUs) whereas Soulkey has a poor vT thus he could be sniped easily. TaeJa because I needed him or Stephano for the all-kill possibilities, however he might be EGTL's ace so he might not score high, but I believe in his reverse all-kills, he can do magic especially in all-kill format.
Bbyong/Speed : two relatively cheap but very effective terrans.. Plus it grabs team points. Speed was the surprise terran and I think that he will be sent out often so even though the competition will be harder I don't think there is another 4 points pick as effective. Bbyong will be sent out often so I figured it would be a must have 3 points player.
Hyuk/Myungsik : I needed two 1 point players, I picked them for their team and their race : 1Z/1P allowing me to trade comfortably each race.
SKT T1 : At first I wanted a TaeJa/Stephano/EGTL combo but it's an expensive combo and in all-kill format having two high value players from the same team is likely to be a huge mistake, so I changed my mind. EGTL will do imo well in teamleague but they are once again very expensive. SKT will probably do well and they are cheap, plus the teams aren't that important anymore so I might not be screwed that much if they don't win everything. Oh and Rain+Fantasy+sOo will be hard as fuck to beat in all-kill format .
Anti-team : anti-team is a lot harder this time, I followed Dodgin's strategy (weakest high value player + two players who won't play/will lose). I wanted Bisu since I think he would lose more than Zenio, and they played around the same number of games, but Zenio will probably be sent out less now that there is another zerg now, in the person of Stephano. I think both EGTL and SKT will win so losing points because of that is unavoidable. I didn't pick Major because I think he could do very well for his cost, or very bad, and I don't wanna gamble on it as I'm nor a fanboy or an hater of him.
While my anti team picks for the last round didn't work out well (Rain, Flash and Effort are apparently good players), I can feel it with SF 2: EB. It's gonna be the run.
My first go at fantasy proleague didn't go too well because I picked Soulkey in my anti-team for some idiotic reason. I tried to pick my team more carefully this time to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Personally I think Revival will carve up this round. He should be well used to the format, and he has a good record in GSTL.
hyyva is also undervalued in my opinion. Though he did poorly last round, I think the all-kill format will give him more of a chance to shine.
As for the others, Wooki seemed pretty solid last round, and Last did okay (I mainly picked him on his OSL performance earlier in the year). And PuMa, well... who doesn't want to see him crush Kespa players with a train of SCVs?
I didn't put as much thought into my anti-team. I just hope RorO continues his slump.
My first go at fantasy proleague didn't go too well because I picked Soulkey in my anti-team for some idiotic reason. I tried to pick my team more carefully this time to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Personally I think Revival will carve up this round. He should be well used to the format, and he has a good record in GSTL.
hyyva is also undervalued in my opinion. Though he did poorly last round, I think the all-kill format will give him more of a chance to shine.
As for the others, Wooki seemed pretty solid last round, and Last did okay (I mainly picked him on his OSL performance earlier in the year). And PuMa, well... who doesn't want to see him crush Kespa players with a train of SCVs?
I didn't put as much thought into my anti-team. I just hope RorO continues his slump.
edit: oh yeah, forgot TEAM TAEJA!
you wanted to be more careful than picking soulkey and went on to pick roro? what kind of mad joke is this????
Because this is an all-kill format, i tried experimenting by having 2 aces, Wooki and fodders for the team. I try to spread out the teams to take advantage of +1 everytime a team wins
My anti team is structured to have a player whom I expect to underperform for his points. And two whom I do not expect to perform well
Long time listener, first time caller. Some people may question my methods, putting Taeja and Flash on the same team. I would not have it any other way, for you see, there is gold on the streets of Proleague. Thorzain dominated in his last match, he just needed rest and to get familiar with the maps, more ladder maps equals more wins. Idra, mark my words, will be a different player in this tournament. I feel that some players do better in an environment with more rules/regulations and I feel that Major is one of those players, I even see him mastering the KeSPA maps. Flash is Flash and Taeja is on a hot streak.
As for my Anti Team, I would rather not pick one of course but these are the players I feel most affected by the changes and new talent in Proleague. Although I see Soo doing ok.
I believe in the parts of my last team that I could keep (Wooki, SK, soO, Light) and I expect MajOr to get some nice games when he gets the chance, which I expect him to (mainly cos they'll want to do some marketting for foreigners). Rudy is mainly there to bring in points when Stars win games, since I couldnt afford much else. >_>
As for anti, Zenio is trash, JYP is overrated and RorO is there so he can all-kill and screw me over just because.
Main Team 6 Action - This guy is SOLID, just look at his round 1 results. 3 Bbyong - Not so hot in round 1, but he is definitely worth 3 points. 8 Bogus - Still thinking of switching him for baby, just dunno yet. 2 Flying - Again not the best r1, but i am sure he is not 2 point bad. 2 Sacsri - From SKT and can probably get some play time 7 Stats (captain) - Stats man, undefeated in r1, team feels goood with him 2 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]STX Soul[/tlpd]- I feel like STX has a much better team than r1 showed, i think they will bounce back in this format
Anti Team 2 Huk- Wont get any playtime (probably) 6 JangBi- I dont think he is quite developed to play streaky games v X 5 Stork- See JangBi
Feel very happy with the team, may jiggle around the 8point slot still between Bogus/Baby/ Soulkey
3 Revival Heard great things about his team league exploits, biggest risk on the team imo and the player I know the least about
8 Soulkey Very, very good right now, won tons of games and got to the gsl semi finals I think. Seems to be transitioning incredibly smoothly. Lots of talent in him
4 Speed Second biggest risk, won his last couple games and seemed to be a decent player on a bad team, so he will play lots, light included I guess.
1 Khan: Filler team
Anti Team 3 Bisu Just playing poorly and isn't chosen much it seems 4 hyvaa unimpressive play and not winning a lot 6 JangBi Hasn't caught onto SC 2 yet, hope is he continues to struggle despite talent
I feel pretty good about this team right now, my problem last time was the anti though .
People keep picking Revival but after this week when would EG/TL play him? Taeja, Hero, Stephano, and Jaedong, who in that lineup would you not send out?
On January 03 2013 21:15 Adreme wrote: People keep picking Revival but after this week when would EG/TL play him? Taeja, Hero, Stephano, and Jaedong, who in that lineup would you not send out?
In IPTL yesterday Revival won the match vs FXO for EG by beating Tear, Leenock and Gumiho all in a row when they were down 2-4. Meanwhile Jaedong lost to Choya in the opening match.
On January 03 2013 21:15 Adreme wrote: People keep picking Revival but after this week when would EG/TL play him? Taeja, Hero, Stephano, and Jaedong, who in that lineup would you not send out?
In IPTL yesterday Revival won the match vs FXO for EG by beating Tear, Leenock and Gumiho all in a row when they were down 2-4. Meanwhile Jaedong lost to Choya in the opening match.
He will get play time.
Unless they put in Revival over Jaedong I cant see him getting time and I cant imagine a world in which JD isnt in the lineup for proleague especially with how well he has done so far.
On January 03 2013 21:15 Adreme wrote: People keep picking Revival but after this week when would EG/TL play him? Taeja, Hero, Stephano, and Jaedong, who in that lineup would you not send out?
In IPTL yesterday Revival won the match vs FXO for EG by beating Tear, Leenock and Gumiho all in a row when they were down 2-4. Meanwhile Jaedong lost to Choya in the opening match.
He will get play time.
Unless they put in Revival over Jaedong I cant see him getting time and I cant imagine a world in which JD isnt in the lineup for proleague especially with how well he has done so far.
EG-TL is not going to play Hero, Taeja, Stephano and JD every match. Revival, Puma, Zenio and maybe even Thorzain will also see games. Sending out the same lineup every time is too predictable and will not help. For an example see Prime in team leagues in recent months, their small roster makes it very hard to compete with the other top teams. Revival is just as good as Jaedong as shown by recent results, if he can kill off the triple threat of the back to back GSTL champions he can win games in Proleague. I think he is one of the best 3 point players you can pick.
I feel like picking TaeJa is a huge gamble, and I agonized over it for a long while. With Stephano coming, EGTL has a lot of members that could potentially rack up wins before TaeJa ever goes to bat. On the other hand, this is the format where he will dominate if he does get to play. I decided to pick him, but not make him captain so I can trade him if he's not getting the playtime.
RorO and Light are no-brainers to me. Light should be a 6 or 7-point player, but he was sitting out for personal issues for most of the last season. RorO is the clear ace on a team that's going to need him every match, and he's actually quite good on top of it. Bbyong and Sacsri are just solid, underrated players that I really wanted to pick up, and then I think Best is the best remaining 3-point option. I wanted Jaehoon, but he didn't fit.
edit: am new at the FPL thing switched Baby for Reality still think Baby and bogus are overrated , and if u watch ThorZain stream u ll know that he well get sniped by a zerg
I'm still not quite sure how to go about picking, I started off choosing players I thought were undervalued, but the Bo7 format means that there's only room for 4 wins per team so I'm thinking maybe the best strategy is to pick players who can allkill and then go for random 1 pointers who'll get +1 when their team wins. It worked out that my team are all from different teams, I think in a balanced team that works out as the best strategy but I don't know if overall its a winning strategy. For now: CARLYRAEJEPSONOFFICIALFANCLUB
Main Team 3 Bbyong-On a bad run but still the best Terran on his team. 3 Best-He's good value. I'm not sure because Rain is way better but he still gets played. 2 Flying-He's played some good players and lost but I think he's undervalued. Plus dishwasher ceremony. 6 RorO-He's one of the few Zergs that isn't used as a ZvZ sniper so he's pretty good all around. 4 Speed-He was a great pick last round, now he's doubled in value but he's still top3 on T8. 9 TaeJa (captain)-A lot of the 8 point players are all-kill capable but Taeja is tried and tested at going clutch when his team are on the ropes. 3 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]CJ Entus[/tlpd]They got slaughtered in the last week so they're points are lower than they should be. I don't think many 4-0 sweeps will happen this round so teams like KT just aren't worth the points.
Anti Team 5 Stork He finally won a game but he 4gated 3 Zenio Now the 4th best Zerg on EG-TL 5 ZerO I think the high value snipers are worth less in this format, they moght win a game but for 5 points you're expecting more than 1 win. Also most of the games I can remember him winning were 1 base zergling baneling ZvZ's on TDA which is now removed.
Thoughts Acacia --> Is on KT and i predict them to do well. Bbyong --> Did not so great in the first round, but i still believe he's pretty good and worth his 3 points Best --> Undervalued in my opinion. Great macro Toss just like he was in BW. I think he's going to do better than first round Hero[Join] --> Impressed me enough in the first round to pick him, i think he's very solid in all MUs and will score some multi kills against lesser opponents. Stats --> Did really great in the first round. Can take games off of everyone. I just hope that he get's enough playtime and flash does not slaugther everyone. honSin --> I liked his playstyle and think he will deliver. He's verry good against Terrans especially. He only lost against Bogus and Taeja but won against Fantasy, Baby, Speed and some other guys. Since many teams have a Terran Ace (Flash, Fantasy(kind of a second ace), Taeja, Baby, Bogus) i think someone who can snipe games of these guys is pretty valuable. CJ --> Hope they get carried by hero and had not enough points to pick KT xD
Anti: Bisu --> Thanks for still keeping him at 3 points. He looks terribly a the moment. hyvaa --> Hope he still does badly, altough i think he's gonna be good in a few month Jangbi --> Overpriced. He's gonna loose a lot i think. Also his team looked bad.
For me picking TaeJa is exactly the same as picking Flash especially in winners league format. They both are capable of doing multiple all-kills in this round. I guess the win ratio made Flash more expensive, but whatever... Revival might turn out to be the steal of the round. Such great player for just 3 points.
Went with Samsung for my anti-team, because I don't think the yhave any strong enough players to get any serious runs in matches, and they don't have the depth to deal with other teams if players do take single games.
SKT1 I think have a good solid all-kill lineup, so I dumped my remaining main team points into SKT players to get extra team points (betting the house on SKT), and then picked some ace players who might get all kills from a couple of other teams too.
I think the cost for some players is too high for a winners league format, if primary players play, those mid to high cost good team players won't get sent out much so they can't get serious individual points.
Originally had Fantasy, but I actually ended up with 2 points extra, so I bumped that up to Rain even though I think both will do equally as well in terms of all-kill potential (Rain might get sniped, etc). As my name indicates, I went with SKTT1 on this one because I saw the oddly low value on their team. Plus they have really good aces which you can see by the fact that after Rain and Fantasy, there isn't really anybody until soO that has a high value. This is good for all-kill format.
Then I chose Revival because he's apparently a good 3 point choice (originally had Zenio).
I decided to pick up two quite expensive players and the rest cheap, but with big potential. Fantasy surprised me positively last round and once effOrt's ZvP "clicks" he can become the best Zerg of PL.
I didn't do very well in round 1, but that was probably because i had hero[join] on my anti-team rather than anything else haha :p i think i am getting the hang of this FPL a bit more. let's talk through my picks:
i chose my anti-team first. hyvaa was one of the bigger disappointments of round 1 (along with STX in general) and he sports a 2-5 record, which is not really impressive. stork hasn't done particularly well either, though i'm liking khan and didn't want to pick stork. trap was pretty much the final filler, i don't really expect STX to do that well in all-kill since they seem to have a lot of moderately good players but only bogus as their sweeper. trap's on 3-3 for round 1, but two of those wins were against the worst players in the league haha.
next i chose my team; settled for woongjin stars based upon their two ace's records of 6-2 each which seemed the most impressive of round 1. EG-TL have stronger sweepers with hero, taeja and company, and i almost considered putting EG-TL as my team, but woongjin has fairly decent matchups for week 1 while EG-TL faces KT and SKT. hoping to trade over, maybe as the season goes along, but woongjin did look pretty strong in round 1.
for all-kill format, there's only four players fielded rather than six, which makes the choice of players that much more important (for lineup points and potentially games as well). having a few people guaranteed to play and sweep is good, and soulkey's my man of choice.
i see some people have chosen two ace players for their FPL (e.g. soulkey + taeja or something); i decided to only have one in my team since having two aces along with woongjin would cost me 20+ already, leaving 10 points for 5 players is not wise haha. so i went for some mid-tier players who are likely going to play and can get a game or two in jaehoon, speed and wooki. these guys have had decent stats in round 1 and hopefully are reliable enough for later on. players with 4-5 points probably can be fielded and take games, and those with 3 or under i wouldn't bet too much on. 1 and 2 pointers probably will see little play.
to round out the last two players, i pretty much went for team win points. flying has the worst record in round 1, but i think he's a bit better than his two points. as the second best protoss on woongjin, he might actually see play and take a game or two, but i'm not really relying on him for this. same thing goes for swift, haha. i needed a 1-point terran (i intend to trade speed for revival in week 2) and he seemed acceptable, though i know nothing of him and expect him to never get fielded.
Fantasy and herO are both fairly good players who are likely to rack up some kills, Hydra and Last are fairly good as well. Mini is Code A, and a bit undervalued at 1 I feel. ParalyzE? I needed a 2 pointer, and I needed the afro. Can't lose with the afro. Decided to bet on SKT for this one, mostly because I think KT is up for a fight vs EGL this week, as EGL is a lot more used to the all-kill format.
Anti, I decided to trust my gut on going against Light. Stork on anti worked well in R1 - watch him turn a shocker on us and bust out the all-kill Wooki... Eh. I feel like he overperformed in R1, and I don't think he can hold it up in the long run.
I would reconsider your anti team picks, light and stork is clashing against each other in the next PL match. Just a heads up
I didn't do very well in round 1, but that was probably because i had hero[join] on my anti-team rather than anything else haha :p i think i am getting the hang of this FPL a bit more. let's talk through my picks:
i chose my anti-team first. hyvaa was one of the bigger disappointments of round 1 (along with STX in general) and he sports a 2-5 record, which is not really impressive. stork hasn't done particularly well either, though i'm liking khan and didn't want to pick stork. trap was pretty much the final filler, i don't really expect STX to do that well in all-kill since they seem to have a lot of moderately good players but only bogus as their sweeper. trap's on 3-3 for round 1, but two of those wins were against the worst players in the league haha.
next i chose my team; settled for woongjin stars based upon their two ace's records of 6-2 each which seemed the most impressive of round 1. EG-TL have stronger sweepers with hero, taeja and company, and i almost considered putting EG-TL as my team, but woongjin has fairly decent matchups for week 1 while EG-TL faces KT and SKT. hoping to trade over, maybe as the season goes along, but woongjin did look pretty strong in round 1.
for all-kill format, there's only four players fielded rather than six, which makes the choice of players that much more important (for lineup points and potentially games as well). having a few people guaranteed to play and sweep is good, and soulkey's my man of choice.
i see some people have chosen two ace players for their FPL (e.g. soulkey + taeja or something); i decided to only have one in my team since having two aces along with woongjin would cost me 20+ already, leaving 10 points for 5 players is not wise haha. so i went for some mid-tier players who are likely going to play and can get a game or two in jaehoon, speed and wooki. these guys have had decent stats in round 1 and hopefully are reliable enough for later on. players with 4-5 points probably can be fielded and take games, and those with 3 or under i wouldn't bet too much on. 1 and 2 pointers probably will see little play.
to round out the last two players, i pretty much went for team win points. flying has the worst record in round 1, but i think he's a bit better than his two points. as the second best protoss on woongjin, he might actually see play and take a game or two, but i'm not really relying on him for this. same thing goes for swift, haha. i needed a 1-point terran (i intend to trade speed for revival in week 2) and he seemed acceptable, though i know nothing of him and expect him to never get fielded.
hope this works out haha :p thoughts/comments? :D
Beware that I did terribly bad in the first round, but I have some relatively valid excuses and I learnt one or two things in the process.
My thoughts on your main team : I don't have much except that you have 3 players from WJS, even though it's your chosen team so you think they'll win a lot, I would take another 1 point player : one from SKT for example, because they are likely to earn you team wins points, and you'll have at least one from SKT vs WJS match. And if I could I would have gotten Revival, because he is fielded first against KT and someone at 3 points who was recently able to beat Leenock, Gumiho and Tear back to back with the pressure of being the ace is really scarying.
My thoughts on your anti-team : Trap might have won against weak players, but he is on a relatively weak team and did decent in all three match-ups. He was fielded 6 times thus it is very dangerous to put him in your anti-team. Same for Stork, he did badly but his team did so terrible that he'll be fielded so you increase the risk even more. hyvaa is a better choice since he didn't play that much but it's quite a dangerous strategy to put 3 "mid cost" players in your anti-team, as they can win some games and are fielded a lot. For anti-team the best strategy would be to send out players from a team who will lose A LOT like SKhan did in the past, but it's a big gamble since if they don't do as bad you are screwed. If you put an ace and two players who never play you only gamble on one player, and except if he goes full Summer TaeJa, or GSTL's DRG, you won't lose that much.
Main Team 2 Flying Plays for Woongjin and has some sick builds 2 Major Juan is based and I need to leech baby points some how 3 Motive Need KT points, Flash is coming! 8 Soulkey (captain) Soulkey is the best Zerg in Proleague 6 Wooki Wooki has a sick name + KT points 5 ZerO Kimssang + HonSin are going to be the point farmers for Woongjin 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] With Fantasy + Rain, theres just too much allkill potential on one team
Anti Team 6 Action He was mediocre last round, plan on trading for Stephano depending on how late he shows up to Korea 4 hyvaa I don't like hyvaa and he was bad last round, but he'll probably fuck me over cause he's like that 3 Last STX are going to suffer this round.
Yeah... I just did that. hoping for alone to continue that ok-wish performace from last round revival will be played a lot flash is flash Bisu will step it up Soo is amazing and calm is my wild pick lol
TaeJa's my favourite player, so he's set as captain for the whole season. I wanted another ace besides TaeJa, and Soulkey seemed a pretty decent choice for 8 points (tossup vs herO). Revival was just 3 points, too cheap not to pick. Bbyong was also just 3 points, but I think he's pretty good. Flying utterly failt in round 1, so he's just 2 points. Better make this work. Mini will hopefully prove to best the least worthless 1-pointer.
My anti is full samsung. I had Jangbi last season and traded him away just before his ace win T_T
Team is SKT, didn't want to gamble between CJ and STX. KT was too expensive, hoped EG-TL would be 3-4 points but is still 6 o.O
Stats for 7 points is pretty undervalued especially after him being 5-0 in Round 1, he'll lead KT Rolster to victory as other teams will be to busy preparing for Flash and not enough for the remainder of KT Rolster. MajOr for only 2 points and RevivaL for only 3 points while they have more experience then nearly everybody in ProLeague, especially in this All Kill format. Jaehoon did well at poking fun of anybody that had him on anti-team in round 1. ZerO will no doubt continue to do great for Woongjin Stars and gather lots of wins unless he get's send out after Soulkey, then there might not be many wins left to gather in that match. SonGDuri will hopefully turn out to be a killer in the All Kill format.
Stork is just a complete disappointment for any KHAN fan as he hasn't been able to accomplish anything. hyvaa was pretty weak overall in Round 1 compared to his MLG vs ProLeague tournament. Trap will probably do the most damage to my points as he can win at times.
I picked this team because A: I'm a noob at this so I actually don't know if I picked poorly even though I watch proleague and B: I think Khan is going to make a comeback, and that its players aren't actually slumping, but needing to get used to SC2 more, I also think that not picking Taeja as captain would be a big mistake. Originally I had Rain, but I thought better of that as Taeja is INSANE right now, and I think that will continue.
I picked this team because A: I'm a noob at this so I actually don't know if I picked poorly even though I watch proleague and B: I think Khan is going to make a comeback, and that its players aren't actually slumping, but needing to get used to SC2 more, I also think that not picking Taeja as captain would be a big mistake. Originally I had Rain, but I thought better of that as Taeja is INSANE right now, and I think that will continue.
Which is why he isn't your captain? :D
I was all faithful of KHAN in round 1 and had mostly Khan and Khan as a team. Now i only picked Reality because i don't know how this continues... ^^ Oh well, good luck.
Action and Flash were my best players in R1 with Flash being my captain. Trading him for Stats is probably bold, but Stats did so well in the first round, that I want to give him a chance and he's not that 'expensive'. Trading Dear last round was definitely my biggest mistake, so here he is again. Jaehoon showed decent results and Revival is hopefully able to get something done in all-kill format.
Bogus has alot of points, but didn't do that great last round, same with hyvaa. fOKINS was also on my anti last time and should be a shave bet to not score to many points.
First FPL for me :p TaeJa will score a ton of points as a captain. Trusting CJ to take Woonjign down this week and thus Hydra and herO there in the team. Others are more or less a guess.
TaeJa is highly motivated, did well in R1 and has already shown that he is pretty sick in the all-kill format. The only problem with him is that he is on a team that has 3 more players that are also capable of getting an all-kill... Revival feels like a promising gamble for 3 points. The rest of my team consists of (in my opinion) undervalued players who can easily sneak a winning streak. All of them were regulars in R1 and had at least 50% win rate. CJ didn't do too well in R1 but I feel like they will be worth the 3 points invested in them.
Unlike last round, this time I do not see a single highly overvalued player that is likely to suck the whole time. All of the 4-5 points players might be big earners, so I'd rather go with one high value player and 2 guys who probably won't even play. Baby will be playing every single match but I hope that he won't be winning much. Motive is unlikely to be fielded much and Turn simply sucks (not to mention that he is on Khan who won't be winning much either).
Overall, I'm pretty happy with my team. Only Baby and TaeJa worry me, since they might turn out to be bad choices, but I'll just hope to get lucky.
Fitting both Flash and TaeJa in one team is pretty expensive, but I'm confident that they will both give me loads of points. The rest of the team is not really all that good exept Light, who played really well in round 1, and will also go up against Stork this week wich should be an easy pickup for him. Sadly, KT now costs a whopping 6 points, and i simply cannot afford that, but SKT is a damn good team (although not quite as good as KT) and should be able to give me some precious points
I just realized I have an all zerg anti-team, wich is perhaps not a good idea, but out of the three I think that effort is the only one here that will actually play. He is pretty good though and I desperately hope he will underperform and not win too much.
couldnt see a way to fit KT or EG into my team so it ended up being SK
I failed to see round 2 was an allkill format too but i think its a strong team
SKTT1 got rain and fantasy and this is all-kill format... they should be more expensive than EGTL... just last week Rain beat EGTL's 2 best players easily. You're safe!
I have a good feeling about this team! Hon_Sin only winning TvT in round 1, and really not proving fit for an all kill format will be an easy anti-team pick.
Major is sort of a risk, though. An i actually wanted to pick Stephano but i heard he he isn't there for the first match? Kinda deciding between him and Stats.
Bbyong underperformed round 1 going 3-4, but I find 3 points to be a steal for a player that can hold his own in Code A for 2 seasons now. CJ WILL send him and I expect him to redeem himself in an all-kill format.
Flying feels underpriced at 2 points (6 points in round 1). I feel he was unlucky going 0-4 thus far and is capable of more. Riding the Protoss favored maps and the Woongjin Soultrain, I believe I can flying!
Last but not unleashed. Last seems to be a player with a record far exceeding his 3 point value, being a mainstay in STX's lineup and occassional ace, it's a shame he's such a choker when winning matters. If only there was a carefree format where there'll always be Bogus to back you up ...
Light, if BW taught me anything it's to never put RorO on your anti and to get Light when it's that all-kill time of year. Apparently being sick during the starting weeks of PL, the fact that he's 7-1 in SC2 Proleague seems to have gone under the radar. Being scheduled to open the Woongjin - Khan match versus Stork this monday (an opponent he beat handily only 2 days ago), things are looking bright for our invisible Terran!
RorO, because if you can't anti him, join him. Being a slightly disappointing ace to a slumping Khan makes for a 6 point bargain. He's been on of the few KespA players to not get rolled in GSL, putting up respectable results in both Code S and A. ZvZ unfortunately being his achilles heel matchup, he'll be glad to learn TDA was removed from the map-pool, creating scenarios for lots of P/T snacks in a row. (Get RorOlled).
Last but not Last, Soulkey. Code S material, future bonjwa, objectively awesomesauce. He will all-kill and look cute doing it.
Anti:
Hitman: in the unlikely case he gets playtime, he'll surely be sent as a sniper, not going to win multiple matches in a row.
Stork: relying on gimmicky strategies to get by, his play hasn't even scratched the surface of the depth he had in BW. Dino's should know what happens when you don't prepare a long term gameplan.
First I thought KT was a good choise last round (got me into top200), but now they cost 6 points they might not be worth it. But looking back at round 1, all those players topping the statistics. How can they lose this next round also? The points gained will be worth it anyway. Team picks are so crucial. KT Rolster gained me so many points last round, I will stick with their monster lineup which looks so freaking strong!! Thats why I picked Action and Wooki. Wooki as captain, because I think he will be the most stable one. They are both good players and I think they will get a strong chance to prove themselves. Flash is too expensive to be worth his points in the still developing sc2 scene. Stats was a very tempting choise with his 5-0 last round, but I dont think he will be the same in this all kill format.
I think all of Best, Light and Reality are still in an adapting phase, but they are all really really strong players and have all the base qualities to evolve, and I think an all kill format will suit them perfectly. Small doubts on Light though, but Woongjin putting him out first got me to believe in him as well. I dont expect them to all kill, but they will definitly take couple of games at least. Revival beeing a former ESF player at 3 points was to easy an choise. Also the fact that he is Zerg, easily made me pick him. (zerg imba ^^) As to picking one of the more expenisive players, I dont think it is worth it. Constant top player All-kills in this stage of this kespa proleague is not as viable i sense. Also the new maps still remains to be figured out fully which makes it easier to counter with a player good on a single map.
Sorry but Bisus' days are numbered, I dont think we will see him back again. Also I don't think hOn_sin or JYP will prove themselves in anyway, making them the less risky points spent on my anti team. I dropped Roro, since he is a beast (looking at WCS Asia) and also the curse makes me not dare to take him. I have huge respect for both Jangbi and Stork, and they are both among the best players in Khan. I doubt they will loose that much. People who pick them will definitly regret. Any players above 7 though are to strong for anti. I picked Jaedong last round, and that was a bad choise. Also Fantasy league history shows that 3 close numbers are better than wide difference.
First I thought KT was a good choise last round (got me into top200), but now they cost 6 points they might not be worth it. But looking back at round 1, all those players topping the statistics. How can they lose this next round also? The points gained will be worth it anyway. Team picks are so crucial. KT Rolster gained me so many points last round, I will stick with their monster lineup which looks so freaking strong!!
Be aware that they nerfed the team scoring and that it's all-kill format this time around.
On January 04 2013 01:06 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm looking for some help deciding on my team.
Last time around I did fairly well, but CJ slumping at the end of the round really set me back (from Top 50 to ~350).
I'm stuck deciding between:
Team: SKT - Captain Fantasy / Pick soO Team: KT - Captain Stats / Pick Wooki
Dear is basically locked in for me Bbyong is a STEAL for 3 points
Anyone want to offer some insight that I might be missing?
Wooki is the starter against STX Soul, which might be considered an easier match and a way to grab a multi-kill (Wooki seems to have a better PvP), compared to Fantasy who starts against JYP (he should win) but with the EGTL scary line-up behind him.
Both captains will have to play against EGTL this week so you might choose yours based on which team will the most likely, in your opinion, beat EGTL. If you chose Stats and Wooki you won't be sure that one of them plays against EG, but with Fantasy he starts against JYP. Oh and SKT starts against STX Soul with a relatively "weak" player whom you won't have if you chose SKT, whereas KT sends Wooki as a starter.
For the next weeks I believe they are around the same strength, I didn't watch enough proleague matches to know which players will likely do better in an all-kill format tho.
Fantasy carried my team last round despite my poor results when he wasn't worth as much as now and I decided to stick with him as a captain. I wanted to pick Stephano in my team because I think he is going to perform (All kill format doesn't fit him too bad) but he won't play one out of 4 weeks so I'm going to wait. To replace him, I've picked Stats and Zero, two players that I have always liked who were really strong players in BW and did perform well last round. Also Light is probably the most undervalued player in this league, he is low points because he didn't play most of the matches last round but he is almost undefeated in SC2 since his debuts and he has Ryu Won as a coach. Flying plays in a strong team and could make a comeback, and Penguin is going to score me points with KT probably without playing a single match this round. I'm hoping that CJ shows a good performance for week 1 against Team 8 and Woongjin so that I can trade next week.
For my anti-team, nothing too crazy. Despite some okay wins, Jangbi is far from the level he was at the end of BW. I think JYP has a lot of weaknesses as always and he is playing Fantasy in one match and KT in the other so he should at least be a good choice for week 1. Hope is not likely to play a lot and Samsung not likely to win a lot if they keep playing like last round, maybe they will get a little bit more success now that Roro/Stork can win more than one match.
HerO is my captain, because he will kill everyone from now on, after losing a couple of times. herO is in my anti-team so I could make it hero vs hero. herO has been having good results so far, but I feel that he will be trouble the coming weeks. This is litterally based on absolutely nothing.
Create A Team- yup very original. Picks are in order of selection.
Main Team 9 Fantasy Originally had flash but decided to go with fantasy as SKT T1 is my team pick and that one extra point allowed a little bit more room to pick players.
5 soO Only able to pick him because of Fantasy pick giving an extra point to work with. SKT T1 zerg that will support Fantasy and Rain.
3 Revival EG-TL has Teaja so they have a good shot to win. Along with Jaedong ZvZ sniper. Also has a much higher chance of being fielded than Zenio. More of a hit or miss pick.
1 sSak (captain) This guy will not make an appearance this round. Therefor making it all but impossible to trade him off my team. Is on SKT T1.
The next two are the key picks. 6 RorO One of the best player's on KHAN. Likely to be fielded. Ace material for a 6 pointer. Counter-acts anti-team if Samsung wins.
2 Flying Best choice of all the two pointers for my team. The other two pointer's were unproven or were very likely to lose. And I already had 3 SKT T1 players so i didn't want to take on a fourth. The one positive is that flying is on a good team.
Debating on wheather to keep Flying and Roro, or scrap the sixth player (flying) and get an 8 pointer. Scrapping Roro would also mean getting rid of Jangbi as Jangbi will win at least a few games.
4 SK Telecom T1 Two aces and a great supporting cast for only 4 points.
Anti Team 6 JangBi Does bad: Happy. Does well: well fuck, time to trade him away. 2 Puma Ditto. 5 Stork Won one game. Lost another by losing all his probes.
I'll probably change it again in a few hours, but that's my first draft.
I wanted to get Bbyong in there too, but it didn't really work out. I'd have loved Woongjin as a team again, too, especially with their first week opponents, but I needed that one point. I also contemplated gambling on Team 8 winning the first two matches with ease and picking a different team next week, if Team 8 gain enough points to make a trade possible, but that's just too risky, I think.
Full Khan anti team, dunno how it'll work out but I'm hopeful after last round and there's always room for trades.
I picked MyuNgSiK because he's on KT and they'll probably win some and he's a Protoss and I'm somehow always lacking Protoss players on my team, not sure if I will keep Stats if it turns out his performance in R1 was partly due to his opponents being weak or whatever, I didn't watch that many of his games.
Bisu has been good for my antiteam before. JangBi... wasn't but, I'm going to see how it works out again.
Aside from Thorzain and Taeja, both powerful Terrans in an all kill format, there's a lot of KT. And my team is KT. KT pretty good. Hoping Wooki gets some all kills.
On January 04 2013 01:35 opterown wrote: how crazy would i be to switch my anti-team to flash, bbatta and shine?
hard to say... KT has other good players and they might get all kills too and perhaps Flash doesn't get as many kills as people think, but it's safe to say you'll get a lot of minus points anyway
On January 04 2013 01:35 opterown wrote: how crazy would i be to switch my anti-team to flash, bbatta and shine?
It's one way of being risky, but not a good way imho.
You can be better off than if you pick three surprisingly good players, but in the end Flash will almost certainly get a lot of points and you'll probably look worse than people who chose two or three mediocre players who don't get much points or traded for them once it became clearer.
And you remove yourself from all trade options, so you're stuck with your choice for the entire round, unless you want to trade for Rain, which might be even worse.
In Round 1 I went for an almost all KT team + Fantasy. Now I went with an all SKT team + Action because SKT seems like the best team built for All-Kill format ATM. Fantasy is my captain because I believe he is currently the best Terran player in the world. My anti-team was chosen because I dislike all 3 of those players.
Main Team 8 Shy (captain) yeah, i think he is good?^^ 5 hOn_sin was in the lineup for every match, only lost to Taeja and Bogus. decent for 5p 5 soO I still think he is one of the better Kespa players, but i hope he does better than in R1 3 Light decent player, with the right team^^ 2 NaGi fill-in, right team, hope they will make a sniper out of him^^ 2 Alone fill-in, maybe he can surprise me 5 Woongjin Stars gogo WJS, CJ and Khan shouldn't be a problem!
Anti Team 6 Action most overrated player of all imo. although he had good results in S1, he only won vs lesser players. Hope he doesnt crash my hopes :D 4 hyvaa disappointed me in S1, I'm sure he disappoints by doing good this time 3 Reality 2-5 in S1, hope he continues with this trend :D
Tried to fit both Flash and Fantasy into my main team this time as well, since it worked really well last round and since they're my two favorite Kespa players. Unfortunately, this would take 19/30 points, making it almost impossible to add any other worthwhile players. So sad I had to let Fantasy go... but I just couldn't remove Flash from my captain spot.
Hopefully this set up works out well. I have tons of Protoss players this time, but I felt that most of the chosen ones were undervalued. I feel only Leta is a sort of gamble, but he only cost one point. Haven't actually seen him play SC2 at all (has anyone?), and he switched to Protoss, but we'll see how it goes.
Would've liked to have chosen KT again, but since they did so good last round I just can't afford them this time heh. Then again, I feel SKT will do well in an all-kill format with Rain and Fantasy. Hoping Best will be worth his points. free and Crazy-Hydra did well last round and their points didn't go up much, so I feel they'll do good.
Truth be told, I don't know much about the players on my anti-team. Waiting for next week (?) to add Stephano and remove whoever is doing good.
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I went with Flash and Fantasy (because of the all kill potential) I imediatly added Speed because I got really impressed by his plays. JuNi, Draem.t)check and Mini are here as fillers. I hope they can get a win or two but I have big doubts. SKT-T1 as my team because I think getting them for 4 points seems a very good deal right now. I'm crossing my fingers !! I hope Shy won't destroy too many opponents. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'll succeed better than S1 where I ended up with 13 points :/
Will be trading Shy(Plays herO from CJ first round don't think he will win) out for Stephano after first round. I'm really feeling Khan is much stronger then they showed in the first round.
Best and Bisu are def fanboy picks that could very easily come back to hurt me. but I still believe they can do very well for 3 points each.
Flash is Flash All AK alll day(Except when playing SKT of course!)
soO is a beast and will crush nerds this round. Deal with it.
Bbyong and Stork have both shown some moments of brilliance in the game so heres hoping they have some more this round!
As for my Anti team... Well Sorry EGTL I will root for you... but I'm putting all my eggs in your basket to fail for FPL,,,
I've noticed throughout SC2, people appear out of the blue in a big breakout performance, then rapidly fade back into obscurity. I'm betting Bogus's 15 minutes are over.
In Round 1 I went for an almost all KT team + Fantasy. Now I went with an all SKT team + Action because SKT seems like the best team built for All-Kill format ATM. Fantasy is my captain because I believe he is currently the best Terran player in the world. My anti-team was chosen because I dislike all 3 of those players.
Never would've guessed you'd out HerO as your captain. I'd suggest redoing your anti team.
Why so? Tis my first time playing this so I have no idea really. I'm telling you, Effort is gonna get sniped by a protoss every single time he enters the battlefield, idra's not gonna play much at all and jangbi sadly has not convinced me... or anybody else for that matter T_T HerO as captain is obligatory for me haha
My team is fairly self-explanatory, I think; I'm a fan of foreigners and EG.TL. As with last time, I believe Zenio can really shine when he puts his effort forward, and I think it's soon time for him to rise again. Crazy-Hydra had a fairly good showing last time, and was one of my best performers, so of course I'd add him. Bong is the only one who really stands out, and that's because I needed one more so I decided to take a risk with someone unknown over someone known (e.g. Flying).
As for my anti-team, We all know Puma did not do so well last round, and with the placement of Samsung Khan, I think it's perfectly safe to put Stork and RorO there (though, I can easily see that RorO choice biting me later).
Never would've guessed you'd out HerO as your captain. I'd suggest redoing your anti team.
Why so? Tis my first time playing this so I have no idea really. I'm telling you, Effort is gonna get sniped by a protoss every single time he enters the battlefield, idra's not gonna play much at all and jangbi sadly has not convinced me... or anybody else for that matter T_T
cause you should try to go for minimum points in anti team not 6+8+2 = 16 and not 13
My team is fairly self-explanatory, I think; I'm a fan of foreigners and EG.TL. As with last time, I believe Zenio can really shine when he puts his effort forward, and I think it's soon time for him to rise again. Crazy-Hydra had a fairly good showing last time, and was one of my best performers, so of course I'd add him. Bong is the only one who really stands out, and that's because I needed one more so I decided to take a risk with someone unknown over someone known (e.g. Flying).
As for my anti-team, We all know Puma did not do so well last round, and with the placement of Samsung Khan, I think it's perfectly safe to put Stork and RorO there (though, I can easily see that RorO choice biting me later).
Never would've guessed you'd out HerO as your captain. I'd suggest redoing your anti team.
Why so? Tis my first time playing this so I have no idea really. I'm telling you, Effort is gonna get sniped by a protoss every single time he enters the battlefield, idra's not gonna play much at all and jangbi sadly has not convinced me... or anybody else for that matter T_T
Player values correlate with their skill (or are supposed to). So an anti-team value that exceeds the required minimum of 13 is not advisable.
Never would've guessed you'd out HerO as your captain. I'd suggest redoing your anti team.
Why so? Tis my first time playing this so I have no idea really. I'm telling you, Effort is gonna get sniped by a protoss every single time he enters the battlefield, idra's not gonna play much at all and jangbi sadly has not convinced me... or anybody else for that matter T_T
cause you should try to go for minimum points in anti team not 6+8+2 = 16 and not 13
Does it effectively hurt me if it's higher than 13? Or is it the same if these people do badly and their numbers just indicate previous form? Oh thanks to the post above. I just picked these because I think they'll do poorly.
Never would've guessed you'd out HerO as your captain. I'd suggest redoing your anti team.
Why so? Tis my first time playing this so I have no idea really. I'm telling you, Effort is gonna get sniped by a protoss every single time he enters the battlefield, idra's not gonna play much at all and jangbi sadly has not convinced me... or anybody else for that matter T_T
cause you should try to go for minimum points in anti team not 6+8+2 = 16 and not 13
Does it effectively hurt me if it's higher than 13? Or is it the same if these people do badly and their numbers just indicate previous form? Oh thanks to the post above. I just picked these because I think they'll do poorly.
Even if a 6 points player do poorly he has a chance to get sent, especially if his team does also poorly, and might win once or twice hurting you in the process. So there are two main strats : one high value pick and two low value picks who won't play at all, or three mid cost picks.
I never do well in these things, I'll pick who I like and against those I don't like. Fuck skt. I know a lot of you didn't watch pl back in bw days and like rains play and blah blah blah. Seriously, they're evil.
I think Taeja is the perfect player for an all kill Format. Even if they focus on him (which won´t be to easy because of hero) he should be very difficult to snipe, because he has a solid style. In Revival i have really big hopes, because he is also a player that likes to play in all kill. Just Flash might be hard to beat in Weak 1. Puma should start to stabilize and get better with every week in Proleague. Ryul2 showed against Jaedong that he can be a decend Sniper versus any Zerg. Hydra and Trap should be solid players., even if I might chance Trap for Speed. KT should be a nice pick with so many players looking very stabile, which allows them to train much snipers. I might go for EG-TL here, but i don´t want to get to comitted for one team. For my anti Team JYP hopefully gets sniped by Terrans often. Hyvaa did this far very bad and as a coach I wouldn´t send him out for a few games. Then there is Stork... I don´t really now about him, so he might get traded for Stephano.
Somehow my main team ended up with all Terrans as my core, with a 1-point P and a 1-point Z to scrape extra points from SKT/KT. Since it's all-kill, I decided to go top-heavy with Fantasy (who I think will do the dirty work on SKT before Rain cleans up) and Flash (who will probably just win a ton). Last I picked just so I could use my team name, JyJ because his play was actually pretty good so I think he could get sent out as the #2 Terran for SKT.
For anti team, none of these players impressed me last round, and I wanted to keep relatively low-valued players so I can trade them if necessary. Plus I expect Samsung and STX to do poorly (again) since neither Roro nor Bogus seem consistent enough to carry.
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I thought I'd take a weird strategy and get a really balanced amount of players. Miso is for KT points, might switch him. This is pretty experimental and risky, however I didn't want to get like 2 really good players then a bunch of question marks. I'd be more comfortable doing that in the next all-kill round when we have much more info on the players.
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
Dear did great for me in round 1 already, and is relative cheap. Fantasy was one of the most impressive players in round 1 imo, and will certainly pick up some good wins. Hitman,S2 and Songduri are all pretty cheap zergs ,and pretty good as well. And since i have 4 points left, i chose SKT, since they are always solid and might win the round.
Anti team: all 3 didn't impress me much, don't even remember if Stork played during round 1. They might kill one, but i can't see either of them getting more then that.
Bisu - I still have faith, plus he is looking alot better lately. With those mechanics how can he lose? ~.~ Jangbi + Stork - The Khan Tosses are both really good and did fairly well last season. Not sure if they are best choice in all-kill format though. Hopefully things just work themselves out. Last - My last pick. Needed a Terran plus he's fairly cheap. Trap - Stx seems to have alot of faith in him as they keep sending him out (even as ace). If he is doing good in practice he is bound to show some good results. Plus he is alot cheaper this season. ZerO - Needed a Zerg and him and Revival were the only ones i liked that were in my budget.
Somehow I came away with just one zerg on my main, but apart from hydra and ryul2 I didn't have space. Somehow grabbed both Flash and herO, Revival has been mentioned by everyone already. I'm a bit worried Flying was just a flash in the pan, but 2 points isn't a huge gamble compared to what else is available. Bbyong also undervalued in my mind. Needed a one-pointer so I grabbed miso, who is on KT and might snipe. CJ has some good players so I think they'll do well in the allkill format.
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I have to say I REALLY like your picks here.
free's been looking better and he's been getting sent out, I wouldn't put him on anti. There are worse 3 point players
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I have to say I REALLY like your picks here.
free's been looking better and he's been getting sent out, I wouldn't put him on anti. There are worse 3 point players
Light, Terminator or Ryul2 are the ones that are in contention to take his spot tho. SonGDuri is saved by the fact that he's CJ.
I really wanted to get Taeja again this round along with Fantasy, but I just couldn't restructure my whole team to do so.
I picked Baby for my anti-team because I feel like his other match-ups don't live up to the excellence of his TvT. I think he'll be sniped pretty easily by a strong Zerg or Protoss.
MajorCAPTAIN Why Captain Juanito? cause IM not gonna remove him, he'S underpriced and i'll be rooting for him. You don't get any extra pts for cpt so Yeah, ez Captain.
BaBy:consistant, and T8 AcE, Which IM gonna be betting stronk aT
Rain: Most expensive BoSs, but since there'S so many undepriced people, I was able to squeeze him in
yeOngJae: he'S underrated, got a lot of play, dind't do Great, but showed amazing games and results coulda been completely different with just a bit of luck Great deal for 2 bucks.
Revival: Originally had Terminator for 3 bucks but changed it to Revival cause I had no zergs and I was forced to get zergs in. Revival is FanTastic for the prize, but EGTL has a Deep lineup very eQual in skill, lets be Honest, Jaedong won't be sitting down, neither will TaeJa or HerO or Stephano, despite the fact that Revival could outperform any of them on a good day, I think he'll be fighting with JYP for the last spot, and JYP was Solid last season so they might give him priority (also been in EG for a longer time, Great zerg Sniper blablabla) so What I am hoping will happen is: JYP will lose a lot (he'S on my anti team) and then Revival will be a starter for the rest of the season. TEAM 8
Anti team: Stork (5) : though call but could do Really well or not so Great imo. Zenio (3) : this was easy, for reasons explained above, I don't think Zenio will see much if any play aT all. HEY COACH, SHOULD WE PUT Zenio OR Revival IN FOR OUR LAST SPOT? Coach'S Answer would be: Zenio OBVIOUSLY!... if WE were in 2010. JYP (5) : did good last season but like I mention should be fighting for spot with Revival, so kinda just rooting against him Here.
Disclaimer: nothing against JYP or Zenio or EGTL, Actually, after T8, I am rooting for EGTL and I think they can beat any team in the league. But Fantasy Proleague is serious business, and I AM GONNA WIN
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I have to say I REALLY like your picks here.
free's been looking better and he's been getting sent out, I wouldn't put him on anti. There are worse 3 point players
I'm not big on Bisu right now, he doesn't seem comfortable enough with the new mechanics yet. Put aside that though I like the picks.
I feel like T8 will surprise everyone this round. Baby is a very solid player who can, and will, rack up some good streaks. Then you have Jaehoon (the killer of anti teams), Ryul2, and Speed who have all performed better than they should have last round.
I decided to put Effort on my anti because he will get sniped by Protoss very easily. This will probably come back to haunt me though.
In Taeja you have a guy who's solid against all 3 races; although he does have a weakness for TvP; nevertheless a beast. 2nd In command is soO; who's going to get sent out every SKT T1 game as he's the top zerg, and considerably good with an underwhelming season. 3rd in command is ZerO; overshadowed by his teammate/rival Soulkey but proved he's just as valuable and Woongjin still has the 1-2 Zerg combination 4th in the list is Jaehoon; who's going to get sent out every T8 game due to their nonexistent depth, as the top toss and hes proved serviceable last season by slaughtering my anti-team. 5th is Flying; a guy who isnt 0-4 bad and he's better than he looks...a darkhorse I'd say on my team
6th Leta - cause Idk...Leta?
Team: SKT T1 (KT and EG-TL is too costly), Rain/Fanta/soO too strong of a combination to not take a lot of games.
Anti-team Wooki: a PvP specialist; nothing else. Stats is the better player, he'll be battling it out as the 4th best player with crazy-hydra/Motive Trap: He doesnt seem that good at all... Zenio: Depth chart: Taeja/Hero/Stephano/JYP/Jaedong/Revival ALL ahead of him. 4th best zerg on the team; hes not being sent out rofl.
Jaedong loses too many games to risk worrying about multiple or all-kills, so for his price i put him on my anti.
TaeJa is the ace of my side, followed by Light[aLive], a beast from BW who won his last sc2 game vs Stork. Stats is the next strongest, a beast who will carry KT once Flash chokes. SonGDuri is sick good for only 3 dollars, and Revival and Best are both decent and provide good value for cost.
On January 04 2013 03:52 ROOTCatZ wrote: ROOT4JUANITO:
MajorCAPTAIN Why Captain Juanito? cause IM not gonna remove him, he'S underpriced and i'll be rooting for him. You don't get any extra pts for cpt so Yeah, ez Captain.
BaBy:consistant, and T8 AcE, Which IM gonna be betting stronk aT
Rain: Most expensive BoSs, but since there'S so many undepriced people, I was able to squeeze him in
yeOngJae: he'S underrated, got a lot of play, dind't do Great, but showed amazing games and results coulda been completely different with just a bit of luck Great deal for 2 bucks.
Revival: Originally had Terminator for 3 bucks but changed it to Revival cause I had no zergs and I was forced to get zergs in. Revival is FanTastic for the prize, but EGTL has a Deep lineup very eQual in skill, lets be Honest, Jaedong won't be sitting down, neither will TaeJa or HerO or Stephano, despite the fact that Revival could outperform any of them on a good day, I think he'll be fighting with JYP for the last spot, and JYP was Solid last season so they might give him priority (also been in EG for a longer time, Great zerg Sniper blablabla) so What I am hoping will happen is: JYP will lose a lot (he'S on my anti team) and then Revival will be a starter for the rest of the season. TEAM 8
Anti team: Stork (5) : though call but could do Really well or not so Great imo. Zenio (3) : this was easy, for reasons explained above, I don't think Zenio will see much if any play aT all. HEY COACH, SHOULD WE PUT Zenio OR Revival IN FOR OUR LAST SPOT? Coach'S Answer would be: Zenio OBVIOUSLY!... if WE were in 2010. JYP (5) : did good last season but like I mention should be fighting for spot with Revival, so kinda just rooting against him Here.
Disclaimer: nothing against JYP or Zenio or EGTL, Actually, after T8, I am rooting for EGTL and I think they can beat any team in the league. But Fantasy Proleague is serious business, and I AM GONNA WIN
Why Stork over Jangbi? Then you wouldn't have to choose Zenio.
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I have to say I REALLY like your picks here.
free's been looking better and he's been getting sent out, I wouldn't put him on anti. There are worse 3 point players
Light, Terminator or Ryul2 are the ones that are in contention to take his spot tho. SonGDuri is saved by the fact that he's CJ.
Zenio won't be sent out.
Jaedong is better at ZvZ. Stephano is better at ZvTvP Revival is better overall imo.
I know my main team isn't the full thirty points, but I couldn't think of any switches I wanted to make.
For this round, I just tried to pick people who I remember doing well in an all-kill format in the past (TaeJa, SkyHigh, Stork, Leta). I picked Jaehoon because he's really damn good lately, and Revival because I have a good feeling about him.
I know my main team isn't the full thirty points, but I couldn't think of any switches I wanted to make.
For this round, I just tried to pick people who I remember doing well in an all-kill format in the past (TaeJa, SkyHigh, Stork, Leta). I picked Jaehoon because he's really damn good lately, and Revival because I have a good feeling about him.
If you had space remaining, should have upgraded Leta to something better. skyhigh is a great pick; and if I had one more point; I'd have upgraded Flying to either skyhigh or light Idk about stork though..we'll see.
I know my main team isn't the full thirty points, but I couldn't think of any switches I wanted to make.
For this round, I just tried to pick people who I remember doing well in an all-kill format in the past (TaeJa, SkyHigh, Stork, Leta). I picked Jaehoon because he's really damn good lately, and Revival because I have a good feeling about him.
Leta hasn't been played at all by CJ, I think it's safe to say he's not going to play. You can still make changes to your team, so maybe upgrade him? ;D
I know my main team isn't the full thirty points, but I couldn't think of any switches I wanted to make.
For this round, I just tried to pick people who I remember doing well in an all-kill format in the past (TaeJa, SkyHigh, Stork, Leta). I picked Jaehoon because he's really damn good lately, and Revival because I have a good feeling about him.
Leta hasn't been played at all by CJ, I think it's safe to say he's not going to play. You can still make changes to your team, so maybe upgrade him? ;D
THis time around all rosters are finalized..cant make trades I think
Thought: So I kinda went allin with WJS due to the fact allkill format is so unpredictable. That said WJS still fields an awesoume roster that I could see killing it in allkill with players like Soulkey Shy Light and Zero.
The Leta lover is back. 1 point is a steal for someone so awesome. In one of the latest interviews, someone said that he has started showing awesomeness, so there we go. Revival looks fine at 3 points (as mentioned a billion times this thread). KT is way too expensive, and so are their players (Stats is the one to pick from KT atm). Therefore I went with the other KT. And Shy is way too overpriced compared to his results, IIRC. The rest of the anti was just random.
I have to say I REALLY like your picks here.
free's been looking better and he's been getting sent out, I wouldn't put him on anti. There are worse 3 point players
Light, Terminator or Ryul2 are the ones that are in contention to take his spot tho. SonGDuri is saved by the fact that he's CJ.
Eh? Get Zenio, he's bad against everything that's not Zerg and if EG need a ZvZ sniper they have Revival already. Couple that with Jaedong and Stephano also being available as zergs, I don't think Zenio will play more than maybe two games at most overall.
Only bad thing that could happen would be if EG wins every match so Zenio gets a lot of team win points.
I really wanted to get Taeja again this round along with Fantasy, but I just couldn't restructure my whole team to do so.
I picked Baby for my anti-team because I feel like his other match-ups don't live up to the excellence of his TvT. I think he'll be sniped pretty easily by a strong Zerg or Protoss.
Still gotta love the fact that your team name still has Taeja in it instead of Fanta :D
On January 04 2013 03:52 ROOTCatZ wrote: ROOT4JUANITO:
MajorCAPTAIN Why Captain Juanito? cause IM not gonna remove him, he'S underpriced and i'll be rooting for him. You don't get any extra pts for cpt so Yeah, ez Captain.
BaBy:consistant, and T8 AcE, Which IM gonna be betting stronk aT
Rain: Most expensive BoSs, but since there'S so many undepriced people, I was able to squeeze him in
yeOngJae: he'S underrated, got a lot of play, dind't do Great, but showed amazing games and results coulda been completely different with just a bit of luck Great deal for 2 bucks.
Revival: Originally had Terminator for 3 bucks but changed it to Revival cause I had no zergs and I was forced to get zergs in. Revival is FanTastic for the prize, but EGTL has a Deep lineup very eQual in skill, lets be Honest, Jaedong won't be sitting down, neither will TaeJa or HerO or Stephano, despite the fact that Revival could outperform any of them on a good day, I think he'll be fighting with JYP for the last spot, and JYP was Solid last season so they might give him priority (also been in EG for a longer time, Great zerg Sniper blablabla) so What I am hoping will happen is: JYP will lose a lot (he'S on my anti team) and then Revival will be a starter for the rest of the season. TEAM 8
Anti team: Stork (5) : though call but could do Really well or not so Great imo. Zenio (3) : this was easy, for reasons explained above, I don't think Zenio will see much if any play aT all. HEY COACH, SHOULD WE PUT Zenio OR Revival IN FOR OUR LAST SPOT? Coach'S Answer would be: Zenio OBVIOUSLY!... if WE were in 2010. JYP (5) : did good last season but like I mention should be fighting for spot with Revival, so kinda just rooting against him Here.
Disclaimer: nothing against JYP or Zenio or EGTL, Actually, after T8, I am rooting for EGTL and I think they can beat any team in the league. But Fantasy Proleague is serious business, and I AM GONNA WIN
Why Stork over Jangbi? Then you wouldn't have to choose Zenio.
IDK? I think zenio will do great at losing/not playing
On January 04 2013 03:52 ROOTCatZ wrote: ROOT4JUANITO:
MajorCAPTAIN Why Captain Juanito? cause IM not gonna remove him, he'S underpriced and i'll be rooting for him. You don't get any extra pts for cpt so Yeah, ez Captain.
BaBy:consistant, and T8 AcE, Which IM gonna be betting stronk aT
Rain: Most expensive BoSs, but since there'S so many undepriced people, I was able to squeeze him in
yeOngJae: he'S underrated, got a lot of play, dind't do Great, but showed amazing games and results coulda been completely different with just a bit of luck Great deal for 2 bucks.
Revival: Originally had Terminator for 3 bucks but changed it to Revival cause I had no zergs and I was forced to get zergs in. Revival is FanTastic for the prize, but EGTL has a Deep lineup very eQual in skill, lets be Honest, Jaedong won't be sitting down, neither will TaeJa or HerO or Stephano, despite the fact that Revival could outperform any of them on a good day, I think he'll be fighting with JYP for the last spot, and JYP was Solid last season so they might give him priority (also been in EG for a longer time, Great zerg Sniper blablabla) so What I am hoping will happen is: JYP will lose a lot (he'S on my anti team) and then Revival will be a starter for the rest of the season. TEAM 8
Anti team: Stork (5) : though call but could do Really well or not so Great imo. Zenio (3) : this was easy, for reasons explained above, I don't think Zenio will see much if any play aT all. HEY COACH, SHOULD WE PUT Zenio OR Revival IN FOR OUR LAST SPOT? Coach'S Answer would be: Zenio OBVIOUSLY!... if WE were in 2010. JYP (5) : did good last season but like I mention should be fighting for spot with Revival, so kinda just rooting against him Here.
Disclaimer: nothing against JYP or Zenio or EGTL, Actually, after T8, I am rooting for EGTL and I think they can beat any team in the league. But Fantasy Proleague is serious business, and I AM GONNA WIN
Why Stork over Jangbi? Then you wouldn't have to choose Zenio.
IDK
Jaehoon is in Team 8, Jangbi and Stork are both in Samsung Khan.
I know my main team isn't the full thirty points, but I couldn't think of any switches I wanted to make.
For this round, I just tried to pick people who I remember doing well in an all-kill format in the past (TaeJa, SkyHigh, Stork, Leta). I picked Jaehoon because he's really damn good lately, and Revival because I have a good feeling about him.
Leta hasn't been played at all by CJ, I think it's safe to say he's not going to play. You can still make changes to your team, so maybe upgrade him? ;D
THis time around all rosters are finalized..cant make trades I think
You can submit new teams that'll replace your inital ones until round 2 kicks off:
On January 04 2013 03:52 ROOTCatZ wrote: ROOT4JUANITO:
MajorCAPTAIN Why Captain Juanito? cause IM not gonna remove him, he'S underpriced and i'll be rooting for him. You don't get any extra pts for cpt so Yeah, ez Captain.
BaBy:consistant, and T8 AcE, Which IM gonna be betting stronk aT
Rain: Most expensive BoSs, but since there'S so many undepriced people, I was able to squeeze him in
yeOngJae: he'S underrated, got a lot of play, dind't do Great, but showed amazing games and results coulda been completely different with just a bit of luck Great deal for 2 bucks.
Revival: Originally had Terminator for 3 bucks but changed it to Revival cause I had no zergs and I was forced to get zergs in. Revival is FanTastic for the prize, but EGTL has a Deep lineup very eQual in skill, lets be Honest, Jaedong won't be sitting down, neither will TaeJa or HerO or Stephano, despite the fact that Revival could outperform any of them on a good day, I think he'll be fighting with JYP for the last spot, and JYP was Solid last season so they might give him priority (also been in EG for a longer time, Great zerg Sniper blablabla) so What I am hoping will happen is: JYP will lose a lot (he'S on my anti team) and then Revival will be a starter for the rest of the season. TEAM 8
Anti team: Stork (5) : though call but could do Really well or not so Great imo. Zenio (3) : this was easy, for reasons explained above, I don't think Zenio will see much if any play aT all. HEY COACH, SHOULD WE PUT Zenio OR Revival IN FOR OUR LAST SPOT? Coach'S Answer would be: Zenio OBVIOUSLY!... if WE were in 2010. JYP (5) : did good last season but like I mention should be fighting for spot with Revival, so kinda just rooting against him Here.
Disclaimer: nothing against JYP or Zenio or EGTL, Actually, after T8, I am rooting for EGTL and I think they can beat any team in the league. But Fantasy Proleague is serious business, and I AM GONNA WIN
Why Stork over Jangbi? Then you wouldn't have to choose Zenio.
IDK
Jaehoon is in Team 8, Jangbi and Stork are both in Samsung Khan.
I'm still not sure on my anti team and am thinking of trading fantasy + flying for soo and action. EDIT: Changed Major for flying (might change that back) but still considering the above trade EDITAGAIN: How do you view stats and stuff for round 1 FPL?
I know my main team isn't the full thirty points, but I couldn't think of any switches I wanted to make.
For this round, I just tried to pick people who I remember doing well in an all-kill format in the past (TaeJa, SkyHigh, Stork, Leta). I picked Jaehoon because he's really damn good lately, and Revival because I have a good feeling about him.
Leta hasn't been played at all by CJ, I think it's safe to say he's not going to play. You can still make changes to your team, so maybe upgrade him? ;D
That's what I thought last round. This time, I'm going to take a chance on Leta because:
Whose performance are you most excited for from CJ this season?
Within our Zergs, SonGDuri, who didn't get a chance to get sent out today, has to practice a lot. I'm excited for SonGDuri's performance and rare is also increasing rapidly. Leta hyung also has had a major skill increase all of a sudden. You will see him soon enough.
I really wanted to get Taeja again this round along with Fantasy, but I just couldn't restructure my whole team to do so.
I picked Baby for my anti-team because I feel like his other match-ups don't live up to the excellence of his TvT. I think he'll be sniped pretty easily by a strong Zerg or Protoss.
Still gotta love the fact that your team name still has Taeja in it instead of Fanta :D
Yeah. It was between that and "FanTaSy's Proleague" but I figured I'd make it a homage to TaeJa since he didn't make the cut this round.
Main Team 5 Dear Had some pretty decent wins in round 1, team seems to have faith in him so he'll probably appear frequently and rack up a few kills. 3 Light Only started appearing in his teams lineup towards the end of the round, but his play looked really good. He also looked really good way back in frankenleague. Seems like a steal for just 3 points. 3 Motive Not sure what exactly to think. Sometimes he plays good, sometimes really bad. Either way, he's on KT and they should win most of their matches. Surprise me Lizzy~ 3 Revival Will he get the play time he deserves? Reliable zerg player, good in all matchups and just generally good all round. 8 Soulkey (captain) Shaky ZvP, but it gets the job done most of the time, great other matchups. Soulkey, Fantasy, Rain and maybe Taeja are going to do really well this round I feel, and rather than putting all my eggs in the SKT T1 basket, Soulkey it is! 4 Speed Only seen two or three of his games, but in those games he played phenomenally. Has the best record on his team so far. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] Too much potential for big score wins with Fantasy, Rain and maybe soO if he decides to perform like he can.
Anti Team 3 Hitman Okayish player, but he's going to find it difficult to make it into the lineup I think. Being in KT is bound to lose me a bunch of points though. 4 hyvaa hyvaa disappointed a lot last round and there aren't many zergs to take his place, maybe gets some play time but will (hopefully) probably lose. 6 RorO yolo.
Hoping Flash and Taeja get there mostly, Soo, Revival, and Leta are efficiency picks, Hyuk plays for SKT1 who should do quite well here I think. Samsung should be able to do alright as a team as well I think.
For anti team it was between Stork and JYP and in the end, even though Stork might AK and ruin my score, and even though JYP is likely going to lose to fantasy, I think I'm making the right call here. JYP is a killer sniper as we've seen before in GSTL and IPTL. Over the course of the season I expect him to get quite a few points by closing it out and there's no certainty that Stork will do the same.
So many people picking Jaehoon for Anti... Don't do it guys, he single-handedly ruined my Anti last round, and he is even worth only 4 points. Not worth it!
This is my team. I have faith in TaeJa, he is a very solid player thats why he is my captain. I put MajOr in there because i am a big fan of him and i expect that Team 8 will send him frequently and do well. Leta, as soemone said is probably going to get some play because of the "major skill increase all of a sudden". And also he was very cheap so i could grab JYP and others.
On my anti team im not really sure about jaehoon, probably i will trade him, but i think i'll be fine.
Main Team 3 Bbyong - Really under priced even if he didn't do so well last round 9 Fantasy (captain) - He will crush nerd faces, bake them into a pie, and then eat it 3 Light - Underpriced for how he preformed last round 2 Major - I predict good things from Juan in proleague, and even if he doesn't win too much, I'll leech points off of BaBy lol.. 3 Revival - OG Starcraft player that's really good 6 Wooki - Really impressive results last round imo 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] - I wonder if I should be worried about the cops because this team is a fucking steal. Fantasy and Rain, some of the absolute best players in proleague, are on the same team and it's 4 points...
Don't really see these guys being sent out much or winning if they are sent out. Sure Action went 5-1, but he went 5-1 against some really unimpressive opponents, losing to the only good player he faced.
Pretty obvious tbh, I actually expect some good results from Major. With korean practice, this guy is going to be a beast. Revival too is going to go nuts
I really dont expect much from the Samsung team, I dont know why tho.
Picking this and hoping the high pointers do not rack up multiple all-kills, going for a more well-rounded team instead of all-stars. I refused to put in any 1 or 2 pointers because they usually never pan out. All the 3 pointers are strategic choices: they all appear first in W1, so I'll play it like Liquibet and hope those three win. Jaehoon was the surprise of R1. For 4 points I think he's a steal. He'll be captain because I need my high pointers to be trade bait. Stats was 5-0 in R1 and he's had a history of all-kills. He also has a 10 game winning streak going back to last season's hybrid proleague. Action was a solid 5-1 in R1.
JangBi bounced back in the final week of R1 but I think that was a fluke. Bisu hasn't shown any real progress, and hyvaa was a disappointing 2-5. Hope I don't get burned by any of them.
On January 04 2013 04:47 LighT. wrote: I'm conflicted.. can anyone help? Bbyong or Skyhigh @ 3 points? Soulkey or Taeja as Captain? Both seems to have their pros and cons..
Flip a coin. They're pretty equal in skill in both cases. I'd go with TaeJa though because of his experience in Winner's league format teamleagues in SC2.
Figure Taeja and Wooki will carry points wise and that revival will grab me some points throughout the season.
Think EG-TL will be really good in the 2nd round, I am sticking with Stork for the anti team because I think he is getting a little disillusioned with SC2 after having played so well in BW and not meeting as much success in WoL
I put all my points in TaeJa and Fantasy. They both win about 70% of their games so the multi-kill potential is very high. No obvious weakness either.
Didn't pick Rain because he was more expensive and I felt that he wasn't better. Also feel his hot streak is about to end. He's shown to be downright sloppy after periods of domination.
Didn't pick Flash because I think his weak TvT will be exposed in this format. It might be fixed by now but didn't wanna gamble. I think overall his skill is the highest in PL but his TvT builds have been killing him.
Didn't pick sHy because his Quality of Competition is a bit low despite the high win% in every match-up. His Code S run was underwhelming and didn't beat anyone really scary last round.
Didn't pick herO[jOin] because his team is in low spirits so it might hurt his confidence and state of mind.
hOn_sin pick is because he'll be a useful Terran sniper. I'm also hoping he is a secret TvZ gosu. (never played a televised TvZ)
A lot of my team's success relies on the first week results . I am expecting my 3 pointers to net me at least 1 win in their first game . Also Taeja seems like a good choice since he is experienced in this format and is a solid player in all MUs and more experience in SC2 then the lot of them . I am also expecting good things from Wooki , but i don't know if he will get overshadowed by Flash and Stats . Light and Hydra are historically good in WL style format , even though this is a new game . Seeing their teams send them first makes me think that they are doing rather well . Reality and Last seem like good 3 pointers as well which i will be depending on to get me the first wins this week. CJ apart from being my absolute favourite team is also a team of snipers . Rarely will you see CJ geting all - killed . I am expecting them to narrowly win series geting me moderate points .
Antiteam is always tricky . Chose Hon_sin , since WJ is overstacked and they primary used him as a TvT sniper . He is pretty scary though one of the better rookies for sure . Jaehoon and hyvaa are the border line mediocre players never passing the 50 % winrate barrier . I don't see them doing well in WL .
I picked a lot of 3 pointers and 5-4-4 pointers antiteam so that i can have the option of trading them if i feel like it later on . Having 1 or 2 pointers will likely be stuck in your team forever without the option of trading them .
Rather than pick ace players who are extremely good, I wanted to go with a balanced lineup with a lot of players that have potential to start a lot of matches for their teams that I think can knock off several wins. My reasoning behind this is that while its great to pick a Rain or a Flash or a Taeja who will be hard to kill, its also more likely that they will be played later on by their teams as aces. Meaning there is a high possibility that they will have less games to play, and thus less opportunities to win and score points. By picking middle-tier players who look like they will be leading off for their teams based on week 1 for the round, I pick players who have more potential games if they get hot, and thus more chances to score points.
I picked the exact same anti as round 1 I believe, but primarily because I feel Jaedong and JYP have notably weak matchups that will lead to them getting sniped. While JYPvT isn't as horrendous as it once was, its still a weak point that will lead to him getting sniped a lot by T, and losing after maybe 1 win at best. Jaedong's v P has appeared weak, especially to the immortal/sentry all-in. Plus, with guys like Stephano and Revival coming over, its entirely possible that these two lose playing time.
Ok, for my main team I tried to go for two players I can be 100% sure that they will be played each and every week except for the case when their team wins before they can be played. Of course a lot of snipers will be prepared for the aces, but the fact that the map is predetermined increases the odds of aces to avoid the snipers or to delay them another map or two. It also helps that I think that Rain and TaeJa are the strongest players in the league and both of them have a strong second ace right behind them in Fantasy and HerO, so that might remove some of the sniping opportunities for the opposing team.
Revival is a bit undervalued I believe, so I went for him, as I also expect him to be played frequently (he is also Zerg...).
The rest I filled up with cheap alternatives: while Mini played quite horrendously, he at least was in GSL once, and I suspect he might be used as sniper; Acacia is a cheap Zerg on one of the top three teams; and sSak is also on SKT and a new addition, there must be a reason why he was added to the roster, maybe he is good, who knows? For a 1-pointer a gamble I'm willing to make.
As a team I chose SKT, because for 4 points and two of the strongest aces it's quite the steal. I would have liked to take EGTL here, but considering that they are both pretty equal in terms of toplevel players, but SKT having an established team house and training regimen and slightly more depth, I couldn't justify spending more points on TL (sorry TL, will be cheering for you nonetheless, even though I feel like a traitor).
For the Anti team: MajOr most likely won't be fielded right away shortly after moving to Korea. JangBi looked horrible in his games (failing at wonwonwons and being able to leverage wins afterwards to even more horrible opponents?), I personally wouldn't rate him higher than 3. Stork has nice micro, but plays a strategical style that needs more experience than he has to truely shine imo.
The most controversial here would be the Taeja anti-team, but, whatever. I'm expecting crashing and burning, and riding on the SKT1 train to success. Also, Mini is a really underrated player.
Hydra seems like a good pick; he'S probably going to beat Sang in T8 vs CJ. Also, in Samsung KHAN vs T8, he'll probably get played and score a Kill; despite me liking Samsung KHAN, I think T8 can win against Samsung KHAN.
Jaehoon looks Solid, and he'S probably T8'S best player. He'S starting to get better, by the looks of it.
Last is a pretty good terran, aT least when I saw him. Or maybe I'M thinking of someone else. AH, whatever, he'S in STX so if STX can win, I'll get points for him there.
Revival is cheap, just like I expected. He'S underrated; if you've seen him play, you can tell he'S Really good. He'S killed my favorites in foreign tournaments before, so I don't doubt he'll do the same. Plus, if you saw the results to IPTL yesterday, you can see that he performs Really well. He did come from TSL (RIP) after all.
TaeJa is a Great pick, because no matter how much he'S worth, he'S going to be worth a lot more. Having all-killed multiple teams, yada yada, you already know. The Only ReasoN why I might hesitate to pick him is if Stephano is played a lot and Stephano gets all the kills; however, this would mean a TL win anyways. Also, Stephano isn't playing Week 1, I think.
Trap is in STX; despite Bogus not playing Super well, I think STX will win most of their matches, and will play Trap a lot. He was played 6 times in Round 1. However, going against SKT1 and KT Rolster in week 1, I might switch him out, then just acquire him through trades NEXT week.
ANTI TEAM Eh, I don't Really have much LogiC behind my anti. I guess I feel that JangBi is worth too much, since he'S Only started winning. I WanT Samsung KHAN to do well, even if it costs me my Fantasy Team. But for now, JangBi'S on my anti.
EDIT: Lol, I accidentally TLPD'd everything, and un-TLPD'ing leaves some mistakes. W/e, too lazy to fix it up, you get my team.
On January 04 2013 06:13 Emzeeshady wrote: People are fucking themselves over putting Roro on their anti team. He still did pretty well last round. 4-3 vs very good players
He went 3-4. Two of his wins were hitman, songduri. He lost vs bisu and zenio...
Team Bbyong, Flying, Revival - All seem like great value for their cost Stats - Great record last season, think he will do damage Sacsri - Needed a 2 and a Z Fantasy - Complete toss up between him and taeja, i think they will both kill this season. Might switch to taeja yet as he has been TLs ace, whereas Fantasy might be overshadowed by Rain. SKT1 - Think they will perform better in all kill, better value than the more expensive teams
Anti-Team Kinda wanted to go 1 high value and 2 low because it seems smarter for all-kill format, but i just cant figure out a team that i think will be lower value than this one.
On January 04 2013 04:47 LighT. wrote: I'm conflicted.. can anyone help? Bbyong or Skyhigh @ 3 points? Soulkey or Taeja as Captain? Both seems to have their pros and cons..
I liked a lot of my old team, especially Fantasy, so I had to bring him back. My fan-ism of Demuslim made me throw him on there. Wooki proved himself from Round 1. I feel like Revival is going to be really good. Motive and s2 were gut choices. I felt like they were very good, lower rated players.
Ok this is a horrible team yes, but i have to have flash in this lineup. then kt rolster i feel has enough players to supplement him, especially wooki. wooki has grown in confidence and is practically flash's wingman besides stats. unfortunately, that left me with only 8 points to divide into 4 slots, averaging 2 points each. i felt that last was being underplayed and could really explode with only a 3 point count, so i had to take him. then i needed some other kt players on there to soak in the points for kt winning, so acacia and hoejja it was. major may or may not win a game, but we'll see.
anti: bisu, obvious choice. honsin is overrated imo, as well as soO.
Low point foreigners gonna kick some ass in their commonly used format, the all kill format. I also learnt from my mistakes, that is NOT to exceed the given points for anti team because... high pointed guys have high points for a reason.
On January 04 2013 03:52 ROOTCatZ wrote: ROOT4JUANITO:
MajorCAPTAIN Why Captain Juanito? cause IM not gonna remove him, he'S underpriced and i'll be rooting for him. You don't get any extra pts for cpt so Yeah, ez Captain.
BaBy:consistant, and T8 AcE, Which IM gonna be betting stronk aT
Rain: Most expensive BoSs, but since there'S so many undepriced people, I was able to squeeze him in
yeOngJae: he'S underrated, got a lot of play, dind't do Great, but showed amazing games and results coulda been completely different with just a bit of luck Great deal for 2 bucks.
Revival: Originally had Terminator for 3 bucks but changed it to Revival cause I had no zergs and I was forced to get zergs in. Revival is FanTastic for the prize, but EGTL has a Deep lineup very eQual in skill, lets be Honest, Jaedong won't be sitting down, neither will TaeJa or HerO or Stephano, despite the fact that Revival could outperform any of them on a good day, I think he'll be fighting with JYP for the last spot, and JYP was Solid last season so they might give him priority (also been in EG for a longer time, Great zerg Sniper blablabla) so What I am hoping will happen is: JYP will lose a lot (he'S on my anti team) and then Revival will be a starter for the rest of the season. TEAM 8
Anti team: Stork (5) : though call but could do Really well or not so Great imo. Zenio (3) : this was easy, for reasons explained above, I don't think Zenio will see much if any play aT all. HEY COACH, SHOULD WE PUT Zenio OR Revival IN FOR OUR LAST SPOT? Coach'S Answer would be: Zenio OBVIOUSLY!... if WE were in 2010. JYP (5) : did good last season but like I mention should be fighting for spot with Revival, so kinda just rooting against him Here.
Disclaimer: nothing against JYP or Zenio or EGTL, Actually, after T8, I am rooting for EGTL and I think they can beat any team in the league. But Fantasy Proleague is serious business, and I AM GONNA WIN
Why Stork over Jangbi? Then you wouldn't have to choose Zenio.
IDK? I think zenio will do great at losing/not playing
Oh they're going to play him. Even with Revival, Stephano and JD but you're right when you say he won't be the first choice. I can buy into that logic, we'll see a little less of him definitely.
On January 04 2013 06:55 ROOTT1 wrote: i dunno if i should switch stats(7) for wooki(6) so i could pick alone(2) over mini(1) T.T!
Life's not fair. Point values still don't make a lot of sense either, lol. I'd like to look into the system they're using for these point spreads.
Manual assignment, I thought? I didn't really like the point spread either, it's pretty damn hard to get a decent team together.
I wish I had two accounts, so I could have two fantasy teams. T_T
Well I was paying attention each week to their degrading point value if they lost or didn't play at all slowly but surely they would drop down in value like other seasons before. So I sort of have an idea of how the values go up and down and that's why I'm putting a lot of emphasis on the opening week line-ups and hoping my guys pull off the win so the following week I can stock up and improve my line-ups right away. Playing with fire and a complete gamble lol. It honestly could go either way on me, but it's exciting as shit!
On January 04 2013 04:59 Talionis wrote: Main Team 5 Dear Had some pretty decent wins in round 1, team seems to have faith in him so he'll probably appear frequently and rack up a few kills. 3 Light Only started appearing in his teams lineup towards the end of the round, but his play looked really good. He also looked really good way back in frankenleague. Seems like a steal for just 3 points. 3 Motive Not sure what exactly to think. Sometimes he plays good, sometimes really bad. Either way, he's on KT and they should win most of their matches. Surprise me Lizzy~ 3 Revival Will he get the play time he deserves? Reliable zerg player, good in all matchups and just generally good all round. 8 Soulkey (captain) Shaky ZvP, but it gets the job done most of the time, great other matchups. Soulkey, Fantasy, Rain and maybe Taeja are going to do really well this round I feel, and rather than putting all my eggs in the SKT T1 basket, Soulkey it is! 4 Speed Only seen two or three of his games, but in those games he played phenomenally. Has the best record on his team so far. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] Too much potential for big score wins with Fantasy, Rain and maybe soO if he decides to perform like he can.
Anti Team 3 Hitman Okayish player, but he's going to find it difficult to make it into the lineup I think. Being in KT is bound to lose me a bunch of points though. 4 hyvaa If the rule is still in place where you have to play at least one player of each race I think this could go well. hyvaa disappointed a lot last round and there aren't many zergs to take his place. 6 RorO yolo.
Holy shit, talionis, that's the exact team I had picked at one time and then decided to switch it up in some positions. I'll grieve if you do better than me. :D
Also LOL at Fionn with the TSL Tribute Team, I contemplated naming mine Team StarVe Life but thought it was too bad of a pun.
On January 04 2013 04:59 Talionis wrote: Main Team 5 Dear Had some pretty decent wins in round 1, team seems to have faith in him so he'll probably appear frequently and rack up a few kills. 3 Light Only started appearing in his teams lineup towards the end of the round, but his play looked really good. He also looked really good way back in frankenleague. Seems like a steal for just 3 points. 3 Motive Not sure what exactly to think. Sometimes he plays good, sometimes really bad. Either way, he's on KT and they should win most of their matches. Surprise me Lizzy~ 3 Revival Will he get the play time he deserves? Reliable zerg player, good in all matchups and just generally good all round. 8 Soulkey (captain) Shaky ZvP, but it gets the job done most of the time, great other matchups. Soulkey, Fantasy, Rain and maybe Taeja are going to do really well this round I feel, and rather than putting all my eggs in the SKT T1 basket, Soulkey it is! 4 Speed Only seen two or three of his games, but in those games he played phenomenally. Has the best record on his team so far. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] Too much potential for big score wins with Fantasy, Rain and maybe soO if he decides to perform like he can.
Anti Team 3 Hitman Okayish player, but he's going to find it difficult to make it into the lineup I think. Being in KT is bound to lose me a bunch of points though. 4 hyvaa If the rule is still in place where you have to play at least one player of each race I think this could go well. hyvaa disappointed a lot last round and there aren't many zergs to take his place. 6 RorO yolo.
Holy shit, talionis, that's the exact team I had picked at one time and then decided to switch it up in some positions. I'll grieve if you do better than me. :D
Also LOL at Fionn with the TSL Tribute Team, I contemplated naming mine Team StarVe Life but thought it was too bad of a pun.
Other than picking RorO that is one fine looking team. I've seen a few really good ones already. :D
im still thinking about trading stats for dear so i can pick a 3 pointer over mini, hard to decide tho =/. mini is extremely undervalued at 1 point but the 3 pointer crop is really stacked.. that being said stats is so good
Flash as the potential to all-kill almost any team. I feel like Roro and Best are severely underrated. Major is a decent value for the money. Baby, while turning out decent points in the first round had the worst win % of any ace, so he gets to eat up all my anti points.
I thought long and hard about this team, and in the end I couldn't have the team I wanted (because it had no Zergs)
I'm banking on Speed doing well vs Khan and going up so I can trade him off for my Round 1 lovechild Dear.
I wanted to drop soO for Speed instead, but I HAVE to have a Zerg QQ.
I also wanted sKyHigh but Bbyong @ 3 points was just too good to pass up.
Anti I'm banking on Fanta to smash JYP and then trade him off next week.
EDIT: It's okay, I got my boss to pick the other team setup I had in mind anyway, so I can watch it vicariously through him since he doesn't care about FPL! :D
My anti team is now a massive guessing game, my gambit of baby isn't that good backfired and my second gambit of effort won't be that good either horribly backfired. Other wise my main team is bbyong because he's too cheap for his skill, I decided to get revival because he's cheap and he beat the FXO trio recently so that's got to be a good sign. JYP does well in team leagues and can snipe someone good while crazy-hydra is still my bet for the next SC2 bonjwa. Taeja of obvious and s2 was because I had to get someone to fill it out.
I have a really bad feeling about this team but I really want to try and get Action back on my team besides a good captain. Acacia and Flying are there to pad my team and hope for points. Soo and Speed are iffy depending on how they preform.
Thoughts: Winners league is different from proleague format so I thought I'd choose a couple of big winners and fill the rest with whatever. Flash and Soulkey were awesome in round 1 and Flying at 2 points is a great deal (the guy beat MVP). I think Stars are going to do well again. I picked some EG players as well since they will get more opportunities to win (or lose, but hopefully not )
Bisu will disappoint again and I don't think Stork is anything special either.
Main Team 2 BarrackS KT wins will pile up points! 3 Hydra Hydra should have a lot of games and wins in WL! As well as CJ. 5 soO I think SKT will do well and he'll get appearances (and hopefully wins!) 9 TaeJa (captain) Probably will be the most dangerous player in WL. EG-TL will win a lot of games in WL. 4 Trap A shoe in for appearances. Plus he might get some sweet kill streaks. 5 ZerO WJS should win plenty, and Zero will be a big part of that. 2 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]STX Soul[/tlpd] Fanboyism. Anti Team 6 RorO Khan's chances aren't looking better for WL. 4 Speed I don't give him many chances of hurting me. 3 Terminator No shot he's gonna do damage to my anti.
Was fun last time, finished just outside the top 10. This time seemed a bit tougher though, most my team went way up in points so I had to take on some new names to fill their places. GL to all ^_^
Team Light is a certified all-kill hero. He's also undefeated this year. He's also cheap. He also plays for Woongjin. Dear looked like a bargain pick, as the top player on a poor STX team and very good overall. Action, JYP, and Speed I picked up based on R1 performance. Not sure how much Speed will play. s2 I picked up to balance the numbers. SKT should ball out this round behind the fantasy/Rain duo. At 4 points, bargain.
Anti Fingers crossed on Hero. His performance was mediocre R1, but I don't know how he'll do in AK format. Worst case, he's good - but he's also eating cost for my anti-team. Revival is an unknown, but eh. Terminator (ne Sang) is bad.
On January 04 2013 07:14 Kenny_oro wrote: Here's mine - What do you think? It's my first time (okay ... 2nd Round now) on the FPL? Am i doing this right?
Effort is a HOUSE lately, and he'll get played to snipe zergs if nothing else, but he should see play most games and that's bad news for you.
Then you have Idra who will lose you points for every EGTL win, as will Zenio who might even see some play too. Think about it, EGTL is gonna do a serious amount of winning this time around (seriously, in Winner's League format with their new recruits I see this as going very well for them, at least to the point where you don't want two of them on your anti team... though I guess if it's only a matter of losing points for the team winning you might be fairly safe...)
I haven't done much of FPL before, but I remember the GSTL FPL season and the top ten all had something in common: DRG. You find the dude that AK's everyone and you ride that pony to victory in winner's league format I think.
All kill format... Main Team 1 big name from KT 1 big name from Skt 1 big name from WJS Anti team. I'm sorry Baby. But T8 doesn't have too many options and you are the only one t8 player left. Your enemies will waiting to snipe you. Sorry.
I hate "Snipers"... I mean c'mon. Who on earth loves "Snipers"?
Name pretty much says it all. I don't have high expectations or the will to do the significant research all the top guys seem to do, but I have at least thought this through a little, so here goes.
I tried to spread out my players between teams, because all-kill format. I picked up Hero and Bogus also because all-kill format. You really need to pick up some heavy-hitters or you're just setting yourself up for trouble. I picked Roro because he's streaky as hell and his showing last round wasn't so good... The rest were mainly me looking around for a way to fit my first 3 picks into my team without breaking 30 points. Flying is good bang for your buck at 2 points and as for Calm and Alone... well... their name rings a bell. Unlike every other KeSPA player in that point range. SKT1 is the obvious pick for a team, due to their abnormally large amount of all-kill capable players.
I've never heard of S2, and now I'm going to piss off almost everyone who watched BW and say that Bisu and Jaedong suck. I don't think they'll stop sucking within one month, either, so they're all going on the anti-team.
I really like this team so far. Revival is a steal. Performing very very good latelty (like last night against fxo..^^). Crazy-Hyrda/Hydra and Dear are all good solid players. Taeja is an obvious choice for me in this format. I really hope haruhi gets a chance and SKT will win, they always do.
-Couldn't believe SKT1 was only 4 points. Easy choice. -Roro was the cheapest of the aces. -3 points seemed like a good deal for a player who qualified for Code S in Bbyong. -The rest I just scraped together from what I thought decent values. Zero, Soo, Jaehoon, and Reality are all top 4 players on their teams and have showed success at SC2 in the past.
-Jangbi looked overpriced at 6. With the remaining 7, I went for what I deemed the least valuable of the 5 and 2 point players (I didn't want any of the 4 or 6 point players on my anti)
I put lots of effort trying to have a balanced team across all teams last round and that worked ok 'till I fucked up by making two awful trades which lost me 30 points but whatever, this time I heard KT was pretty good so KT it is, also stork cause he is opening for his team against Light, and is currently 7-2 vs T, so that's hopefully at least 2 points.
JYP cause fantasy. Terminator cause Terminator. Dear cause needed to fill 13/13.
stats played scrubs round 1 (cept for jaedong whose zvp is horrible).he beat Kop(lulz Khan worst player who hasnt won a single match) bisu(LULULULZ) mini(Lulz he was benched the whole round) the only one worth he beat was herO (in his slump... who in the following week got cut open by jangbi?lulzz)
Same for Action he only faced scrubs wooki? roflllll. hes only a pvp sniper
DEAR IS THE REAL PROTOSS
Kt succes was due to having better average players than other teams. now in all-kill mode only the key players are worth picking. get 1 or 2 nice ace among taeja, bogus(most solid bw terran as of now), rain and soulkey who are GSL TESTED and good vs all races.
forget flash, baby, jaedong, or any other ace that has appearant weaknesses (like tvt for flash, unconsistancy from baby, anything beside zvz for jaedong)
Dont think RorO is hopeless hes actually the only decent player(last week jangbi was a fluke) in his team. he will get ALOT of streak break. never put him on anti. i suggest to put him on main if you can squeese him
Stealz? bbyong(gsl tested), revival(boss acredited through gstl and reverse killing fxo last week(including leenock and gumiho). Flying is worht way more than 2 point, did beat MVP which is pretty good.
DEAR is the protoss of the Moment. Light is the upcoming WJN terran (honsin is only good tvt apparantly) the T8 savior is Speed whos might be the better terran over baby who is gonna get sniped right away.
SKT is the better team for this format(rain, fanta, soo), until stephano gets to play for egtl
Stephano as captain because he can kill quite a lot of players alone if he gets on the groove. It was either him or Taeja/Hero, but Taeja's been losing steam for quite some time now, and Hero is pretty inconsistent (one time being the best protoss player, then suddenly losing a lot of his games). Bbyong and Wooki have pretty solid skill and win ratios, and Major and Thorzain I picked because I like choosing foreigners with skill and potential. They're also both Terran. Revival, well, depending on his state of mind, he could be one of the most dangerous zergs to play against (I've seen it on more than one occasion, but he often loses steam after a while, which is why I don't expect him getting 3~all kills.) I chose EG-TL this time because they have the most potential for racking up wins with the all-kill format.
3rd draft, probably might be another one incoming. I'm going to crunch some numbers on this.
A Templar's Wishes
Main Team 8 herO[jOin] Actually, I might change this. Can herO actually win enough games to be worth the cost? Can he be sniped? These questions need to be answered before I finalize this team. 1 Hyuk Still can't afford anything better. 4 Jaehoon I think Jaehoon will be worth far more than his cost of 4. 3 sKyHigh He killed a lot of anti-teams, right? I don't know, I'll have to check that as well. 8 Stephano (captain) -See Korea vs The World -He should be pretty reliable, even though he's Stephano. I don't see him getting very easily sniped, as he didn't play in round one. 2 ThorZain Couldn't afford anything better unless I changed teams. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] I feel icky about this one, but with Rain and Fantasy (who many players, including me, couldn't afford), I think SKT will never fail to get me points. Anti Team 5 hOn_sin 4 hyvaa 4 Trap
Picked players that weren't noticeable in first round.
On January 04 2013 07:14 Kenny_oro wrote: Here's mine - What do you think? It's my first time (okay ... 2nd Round now) on the FPL? Am i doing this right?
Effort is a HOUSE lately, and he'll get played to snipe zergs if nothing else, but he should see play most games and that's bad news for you.
Then you have Idra who will lose you points for every EGTL win, as will Zenio who might even see some play too. Think about it, EGTL is gonna do a serious amount of winning this time around (seriously, in Winner's League format with their new recruits I see this as going very well for them, at least to the point where you don't want two of them on your anti team... though I guess if it's only a matter of losing points for the team winning you might be fairly safe...)
I haven't done much of FPL before, but I remember the GSTL FPL season and the top ten all had something in common: DRG. You find the dude that AK's everyone and you ride that pony to victory in winner's league format I think.
It's only one point for every game EG wins and Greg won't be playing either so in all honesty it isn't that big a loss at all lmao, I've seen far worse anti teams. Zenio will see action but he will rotate with Stephano, Revival and JD.
On January 04 2013 09:27 StarVe wrote: I think soO will play like every game if SKT have to use all four players, he's just about the only good Zerg on the team.
On January 04 2013 09:27 StarVe wrote: I think soO will play like every game if SKT have to use all four players, he's just about the only good Zerg on the team.
Picking middle of the road people. I think that Revival and Mini were really cheap and good picks. Protoss seems to be doing well in Proleague, destroying terran and faring well against zerg.
On January 04 2013 06:13 Emzeeshady wrote: People are fucking themselves over putting Roro on their anti team. He still did pretty well last round. 4-3 vs very good players
He went 3-4. Two of his wins were hitman, songduri. He lost vs bisu and zenio...
The first round hardly says anything and Roro has shown that he can play compared to the rest of the Khan roster. No matter how you slice it tough decisions have to be made and it's best to avoid players who are more than capable of winning over 50% of their matches in a round. All about who's going to run hot and who will run cold. It's very hard for me to rationalize picking players who are running at 50-50. Take for example, Stephano is high overvalued at the moment at 8 points which is ridiculous over the last month and a half he's been streaky and the series are always close now with the latest patch. I can see him running like JYP at 50 or just over 50%, but for eight points out of the gate? Kind of ridiculous.
I don't watch too many games just randomly created this team, read my ignorant mini description
Flash=GOD
JD, solid and only getting better
Jaehoon, seems like he can kill anybody and loose to anybody. I'm gonna take a risk here.
Jangbi, JB and FBH two of my fav players from BW, always rooted for them even when they where slumping. JB would unexpectedly keep advancing rounds and ultimately won the last two BW OSL titles. I read one of his interviews on this site and he said something like he was always practicing even during vacation when everyone left to meet fam and stuff. I believe if he takes sc2 seriously he has the work ethic to make magic happen. Maybe I'm just a fanboi, you decide.
Now I am left with 1 pointers. Leta, I don't remember his games too much in BW but I remember him being one of my favorite terrans and then one day I think he got plastic surgery or just started wearing makeup and started to look like a fag. This was some time ago and after that day it was always a love hate thing with this guy, cause when he looses I'd just bitch about him looking like a fag and when he wins, I'd be like "now I remember why I liked this guy" Now coming back to the present, my major concern is how much playtime hes gonna get at SPL. would like to see more of his play. cmon leta redeem yourself for me.
Mini, I remember his name that's it. Someone said earlier in this thread he is a cheap buy for 1 point so I'm just gonna get him, plus I only had 1 pointers to choose from
Samsung Khan my last point. Probably a very bad decision as is my whole reasoning behind players I picked. I thought about dropping jaehoon for revival and getting STX soul, seems like that team is well worth the 2 points. Just gonna resort back to my fanboism. Again wishful thinking, this is a very solid BW team and hopefully they can unleash in SC2 sooner or later.
herO possibly my worst decision as an ANTI. He has been playing pretty bausse so far but I don't like this guy cause of his name. HerO and herO should play a grudge match for the userID.
Thorzain is just weak against koreans plus seems like hes getting played alot Zenio seems like hes getting better but I only remember him loosing.
Bisu, Stork and JangBi seem to be obvious picks for anti team this round. None of them have delivered and they seem to be struggling hardcore. My whole main team consists of KT members, lol.
On January 04 2013 10:12 CoL_DarkstaR wrote: Bisu, Stork and JangBi seem to be obvious picks for anti team this round. None of them have delivered and they seem to be struggling hardcore. My whole main team consists of KT members, lol.
Dunno about Bisu. I got decent points off him round 1 just for being SKT and getting fielded even though he lost.
Rain and Stephano for Aces. SKT1 Cause Rain and Fanta can carry (wanted EGTL but too much $$).
Picked Acacia and PenguiN to mooch KT winning points. Best could be solid. ThorZain would also mooch EGTL winning points and might get placed more cause of his win.
Regarding Anti Khan looks like the weakest race so I picked Stork (even though its breaking my heart) and Reality. Didn't want to put all my eggs in one basket so I picked Zero as my last 5 point Anti.
On January 04 2013 04:47 LighT. wrote: I'm conflicted.. can anyone help? Bbyong or Skyhigh @ 3 points? Soulkey or Taeja as Captain? Both seems to have their pros and cons..
For 3 points? neither. Take Light, its almost a no brainer. Check out his games he is damn impressive.
On January 04 2013 04:47 LighT. wrote: I'm conflicted.. can anyone help? Bbyong or Skyhigh @ 3 points? Soulkey or Taeja as Captain? Both seems to have their pros and cons..
For 3 points? neither. Take Light, its almost a no brainer. Check out his games he is damn impressive.
My Teamliquid name is a tribute to him Already have him on my team haha. still have trouble deciding though.
Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
On January 04 2013 10:12 CoL_DarkstaR wrote: Bisu, Stork and JangBi seem to be obvious picks for anti team this round. None of them have delivered and they seem to be struggling hardcore. My whole main team consists of KT members, lol.
That was my exact anti team last round. JangBi absolutely raped me in the last two weeks.
On January 04 2013 10:12 CoL_DarkstaR wrote: Bisu, Stork and JangBi seem to be obvious picks for anti team this round. None of them have delivered and they seem to be struggling hardcore. My whole main team consists of KT members, lol.
That was my exact anti team last round. JangBi absolutely raped me in the last two weeks.
That was due to a won ace match - this doesn't exist in all-kill. His wins were very lucky, so while he might win a game or two in this round as well, it is kill streaks that really generate points here, and I doubt Jangbi is capable or lucky enough to get many.
It's kinda funny because everyone I picked for my team (except Stats and Flash) have win rates lower or equal to 50%. My anti-team, however, has win rates greater or equal to 60%. Let's see how this turns out.
On January 04 2013 10:12 CoL_DarkstaR wrote: Bisu, Stork and JangBi seem to be obvious picks for anti team this round. None of them have delivered and they seem to be struggling hardcore. My whole main team consists of KT members, lol.
That was my exact anti team last round. JangBi absolutely raped me in the last two weeks.
That was due to a won ace match - this doesn't exist in all-kill. His wins were very lucky, so while he might win a game or two in this round as well, it is kill streaks that really generate points here, and I doubt Jangbi is capable or lucky enough to get many.
Really good point, I hadn't considered that. I've added him back in. Fallen dragons FTW.
Now, what's so special about my team? Actually it's not really that good, I started with FLASH AND TAEJA but things didn't really work out perfectly after that. Because of my Terran bias I have a minimal amount of Z and P on the team, but I actually think Revival is a pretty good deal and fought to keep him. I originally wanted Light and Speed both because they're really good Terrans who haven't gotten much exposure yet, but sadly I was lacking on funds so I went with Major (Juan Juaiting!). Leta is obligatory Protoss who we could see more of in the future, and if the TL staff suddenly decides to give points for sickest crossdressing skillz I'm golden. Like a true nub I focused on the players and forgot about the team, so T8 it is.
As for anti, I started out thinking maybe Bogus or even Effort would somehow underperform, but didn't want to take the risk. hyvaa and Reality haven't done especially well so far, and JangBi...well, I had to pick some 6 pointer.
Also, Bbyong and ZerO are my homeboys from Round 1, I couldn't fit them in this time but shoutout to them! Hope they do well.
On January 04 2013 04:47 LighT. wrote: I'm conflicted.. can anyone help? Bbyong or Skyhigh @ 3 points? Soulkey or Taeja as Captain? Both seems to have their pros and cons..
On January 04 2013 04:47 LighT. wrote: I'm conflicted.. can anyone help? Bbyong or Skyhigh @ 3 points? Soulkey or Taeja as Captain? Both seems to have their pros and cons..
your ID is LighT so pick Light.
Like actually.
He just said he already has Light. >-> You guys need to read I mean it's on the same page lol.
On January 04 2013 11:33 8mmspikes wrote: Suppy All Day
Any suggestions? Was kinda conflicted between LighT and Last but with allkill I thought it might be better to have plaers from different teams...
It's not a bad idea to pick players from two teams overall as a backup plan unless you really feel like depending on one guy to pull all the weight for the team, which is a pretty big gamble especially when some of them are barely playing over 50-50. That's why I picked several mediocre players who are capable of pulling together a few wins. instead of depending on one guy. An all-kill would go a long way to racking up the big points but you have to think responsibly.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
Any suggestions? Was kinda conflicted between LighT and Last but with allkill I thought it might be better to have plaers from different teams...
Everybody in TL is saying Light is friggin good. He only got sent out twice last round but won both times, and his overall SC2 record is 7-1. Last is an OSL semifinalist, has played a lot of SC2 games with a >50% record, and went 3-3 (pretty good I guess) in Round 1. One more thing, Light is on WJS while Last is on STX. All things considered, Light has great potential and I think he's better option, even if you lose a little team diversity.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
But seriously, you have good taste in players. :D
I'm already starting to hate my team, lol. D:
Actually, I like both your and Starve's teams. Speed and Light are a cool combination I wish I could've afforded, and Stats is really good for 7 points. I didn't think about him because I was too focused on Terrans, oh well.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
But seriously, you have good taste in players. :D
I'm already starting to hate my team, lol. D:
Actually, I like both your and Starve's teams. Speed and Light are a cool combination I wish I could've afforded, and Stats is really good for 7 points. I didn't think about him because I was too focused on Terrans, oh well.
Main Team 10 Flash (captain) - I have a golden rule of always picking Flash in FPL. I've also heard he's pretty good. 2 Flying - IMO best two point player... had a strong OSL showing and definitely has the potential to get a few kills. 3 Last - On a team that isn't too deep, and again, had a good OSL showing - hoping for that form to come back. 3 Revival - Hopefully he gets playing time - if he does, I think he is undervalued, and we all know how a decent zerg can string together a great performance in WL. 6 RorO - On a flailing Samsung, RorO has always been a solid zerg and will undoubtedly play all his team's matches. Whether or not Samsung pulls it together is a gamble, but I'm hoping at least RorO shows some good performances. IMO he's a legitimately good zerg player a step above everyone below him. 4 Speed - I picked this guy for anti last time and he fucked me over. Also, he's likely to play on a shallow T8. 2 [tlpd#teams#sc2-korean]STX Soul[/tlpd] - Cheap at 2, Innovation should give them at least a couple wins.
Anti Team 5 Crazy-Hydra - Overperformed last round, and is the odd fifth man out on a very strong KT team. If he starts off poor he's unlikely to play too much. 3 Hitman - Again, KT is very deep, and unlikely to be played. 5 Stork - I have an odd feeling Stork is going to be mediocre and retire in the next six months. I hope I'm wrong.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
But seriously, you have good taste in players. :D
I'm already starting to hate my team, lol. D:
Actually, I like both your and Starve's teams. Speed and Light are a cool combination I wish I could've afforded, and Stats is really good for 7 points. I didn't think about him because I was too focused on Terrans, oh well.
stats has only played on ohana though~
Yeah, don't know what to do about that. Looking at his TLPD, though, at least he has a good history on CK and Entombed, he'll probably be able to keep it up.
I'm liking my team already, but its only 29 points. What would be the best improvement? Flying => Revival? (think Flash is pretty favored against Revival, don't know if Revival will play that often, edit: just saw, that I lack a protoss then ...) Light/Last => 4pointer (im really indifferent about all those 4 pointers) Light/Last => 1pointer, soo => Baby/Bogus/soulkey
Overall I think the results of Round 1 proleague had a too big effect on the points. It was just a bunch of Bo1s. So im buying some players who have performing poorly and getting Stats on my anti-team, who mostly played mediocre players on Ohana (in addition to Zenio and Hitman who won't play a lot). I also thought about taking Jaedong instead of Stats.
Regarding the others, I really wanted Taeja. I do think the allkill format fits him. soo, Flying, Last and Bbyong had bad or medicore results in Round 1, but played well in GSL/OSL/etc. Good value there I think. Light has an impressive record, but seems also like a big gamble.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
But seriously, you have good taste in players. :D
I'm already starting to hate my team, lol. D:
Actually, I like both your and Starve's teams. Speed and Light are a cool combination I wish I could've afforded, and Stats is really good for 7 points. I didn't think about him because I was too focused on Terrans, oh well.
stats has only played on ohana though~
I'm sure he also has great Stats on the other maps in practice.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
But seriously, you have good taste in players. :D
I'm already starting to hate my team, lol. D:
Actually, I like both your and Starve's teams. Speed and Light are a cool combination I wish I could've afforded, and Stats is really good for 7 points. I didn't think about him because I was too focused on Terrans, oh well.
stats has only played on ohana though~
I'm sure he also has great Stats on the other maps in practice.
maybe his practice is only for ohana thus far? hence his high stats last round.
On January 04 2013 11:20 warmus wrote: Did some soul searching and came up with a much different team than what I initially planned, but this team will crush faces
red roses
Main Team 3 Light - I must agree with Fionn, this the steal of the round. Didnt catch him live, but watched the vods and he is beast. 2-0 so far 1 Mini- I am hoping mini can catch a game or two, and perhaps some STX wins will add value to him. Mostly a filler though. 3 Revival- His experience alone in this format justifies the 3 points. He may lose to flash, but who knows? he will bounce back anyway 8 Soulkey- Just solid all round play, perfect fit for all kill format imo. I feel he is less of a gamble than other players in his point range. 4 Speed- Again, with a 4-2 record in T8, i think 4 points is too good a deal to miss out on. His games looked solid, he did beat JD and zer0 and Hydra. 7 Stats (captain)- The captain, 5-0 is just solid. He can come out to destroy a protoss (KT got enough depth to not have to rush him) and take it from there. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]- 4 points no explanation needed
Anti Team 2 Huk No playtime 6 JangBi Nooot worth 6 5 Stork- See JangBi (5)
Did your soul searching lead you to page 7? lololol
But seriously, you have good taste in players. :D
I'm already starting to hate my team, lol. D:
Actually, I like both your and Starve's teams. Speed and Light are a cool combination I wish I could've afforded, and Stats is really good for 7 points. I didn't think about him because I was too focused on Terrans, oh well.
stats has only played on ohana though~
I'm sure he also has great Stats on the other maps in practice.
maybe his practice is only for ohana thus far? hence his high stats last round.
Well, jokes aside, he probably played by far the most games on Ohana, yeah. I didn't see every single game, but he looked solid in most aspects to me and I expect that this will largely transfer on other maps, too.
And now that it's all-kill he'll probably play every map, I don't believe they'd waste someone as good as Stats solely as an Ohana sniper.
On January 04 2013 11:56 Pokebunny wrote: Considering swapping Speed + RorO for Light + Jaedong... decisions..
Get Speed and Light, spend points elsewhere, win on all fronts.
On January 04 2013 11:56 Pokebunny wrote: Considering swapping Speed + RorO for Light + Jaedong... decisions..
Get Speed and Light, spend points elsewhere, win on all fronts.
Speed+Light OTP
Warning issued: Pokebunny is approaching Light Speed.
On January 04 2013 12:05 opterown wrote: flying + soo or roro + 1-pointer? flying is #2 protoss on woongjin, and soo is SKT's zerg of choice. however roro is samsung's ace hrmmm
What's the rest of your team?
I'd definitely go with flying & soo, but I might be biased because I had Woongjin Stars and soO in the first round. D:
What about middle of the road, getting a four pointer and a three pointer?
On January 04 2013 12:05 opterown wrote: flying + soo or roro + 1-pointer? flying is #2 protoss on woongjin, and soo is SKT's zerg of choice. however roro is samsung's ace hrmmm
What's the rest of your team?
I'd definitely go with flying & soo, but I might be biased because I had Woongjin Stars and soO in the first round. D:
What about middle of the road, getting a four pointer and a three pointer?
I picked up Stats a few weeks ago in round 1 and think he's fantastic. At 7 points I had no qualms making him the focal point of the team. soO was my captain last season and at 5 points I think he's a steal. Puma and s2 are gambles, but s2 did pretty decently for a low point player last season.
JangBi, Shine and Stork were my anti-team last season and I did pretty well with them aside from the last week.
I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
On January 04 2013 11:56 Pokebunny wrote: Considering swapping Speed + RorO for Light + Jaedong... decisions..
Get Speed and Light, spend points elsewhere, win on all fronts.
Speed+Light OTP
Warning issued: Pokebunny is approaching Light Speed.
On January 04 2013 12:05 opterown wrote: flying + soo or roro + 1-pointer? flying is #2 protoss on woongjin, and soo is SKT's zerg of choice. however roro is samsung's ace hrmmm
What's the rest of your team?
I'd definitely go with flying & soo, but I might be biased because I had Woongjin Stars and soO in the first round. D:
What about middle of the road, getting a four pointer and a three pointer?
currently:
OPtown [not gonna quote the whole team every time]
Slick, I'd keep it.
But it's pretty similar to my own, so you might get other opinions from different folks.
I originally had soO and Woongjin and then switched everything to get Stats. Yours looks pretty awesome, too, I could have easily ended up with the exact same team. Main team smart, anti team pretty smart and that's always a gamble anyway, you'll probably do well.
I didn't pay much attention last round mostly because I was still unfamiliar with Kespa players and put all my eggs into Jaedong's disappointing basket. Been catching up a bit and came to this conclusion. So obvious I'm a protoss player/whiner.
On January 04 2013 12:16 Josh111 wrote: I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
On January 04 2013 11:56 Pokebunny wrote: Considering swapping Speed + RorO for Light + Jaedong... decisions..
That's actually not a bad decision at all. I was reconsidering Light myself, but by all means go for it. I think you might be better off with JD and Light this round compared to Speed and RorO to be honest.
On January 04 2013 12:16 Josh111 wrote: I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
On January 04 2013 12:16 Josh111 wrote: I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
Actually Telecom is cheaper than Stars this round. WS is 5 and SK are 4 and I don't mind it. The go to guys for SK are Rain, SoO and Fanta which isn't half bad. You have a number of other guys who can step up too, but in terms of solidarity I'd say WS has a harder lineup and they will usually take it to the distance with SK, Shy, ZerO, Light and Sin. As long as teams manage to get through Rain and SoO... then it's smoother sailing; whereas, every game is going to be a real fight with Stars or a team like EG-TL and that's why they're so overvalued so to speak. Fan favorites. Hype. Call it whatever you want the stronger cores are going to get the nod. Good thing Winners League sometimes rests on a few individuals and that's why lots of guys are stacking their teams with two players and the rest play second fiddle, lol.
On January 04 2013 12:16 Josh111 wrote: I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
But look at SK they have a stacked team for All kill format. Woojin has better depth i guess I just have a hard time overlooking Rain, Fantasy and to a lesser extent soO
First time doing this :l. Anything i should change O_o?
Think it's pretty good! It's sort of EGL heavy, but that could potentially work well into your favor. I'm not 100% sold on T-zain, but he's cheap and may improve yet. I also don't know much about Flying, everyone's raving that he's a steal for 2 though. We'll see.
Also Bisu and Stork anti TT
On January 04 2013 12:26 after4ffect wrote: team
Give some kind of commentary, man. Just say anything.
On January 04 2013 12:16 Josh111 wrote: I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
Stars are more expensive only because from what i understand they did the team scoring by the standings. But look at SK they have a stacked team for All kill format. Woojin has better depth i guess I just have a hard time overlooking Rain, Fantasy and to a lesser extent soO
SK are relying on fewer guys to get the job done; whereas teams like EG-TL and Stars have more weapons to throw at you. That's why they're ranked so high.
First time doing this :l. Anything i should change O_o?
After a few changes to mine before I read this, I have almost the exactly the same thing as you. Not quite as close as StarVe and that other guy, but pretty close.
On January 04 2013 12:16 Josh111 wrote: I have a hard time understanding why anyone would pick Woongjin Stars over SK Telecom T1 given its an all kill format and SK being CHEAPER!?!?!? Can anyone explain?
Any pointers? I got destroyed last round by a bad Samsung KHAN pick and sHy grabbing me -27 on the anti I think.
Not really, looks decent. In all kill format every anti team player can fuck up your whole season with a lucky all kill (even qxc all killed IM, nothing is impossible) so you have to get lucky yourself.
Main team is fine, I don't fancy Jangbi but he can do well for sure. Thorzain probably won't get too much playtime but what else would you expect from a 2-pointer, really?
Any pointers? I got destroyed last round by a bad Samsung KHAN pick and sHy grabbing me -27 on the anti I think.
I love the tzain and soO pick but i would trade fantasy for a lower point player and upgrade Hyuk to fly. Also jangbi isn't worth the 6 points unless you believe the last week of round 1 was him coming up (i believe it was a fluke). If you really like fantasy as your big ace then drop jangbi to a 5 or 4 and then upgrade hyuk to either fly for 2 or one of the many 3 point terrans such as light or last.
My favourite kespa players Rain and Baby. Picked flash for anti team because I wanted to be able to trade later with stephano or someone that is in a 8's thats not doing well. Plus I do not think flash is that good yet. Any suggestions will be welcome.
First time doing this :l. Anything i should change O_o?
Roro needs to be on the anti.
Well, consider that if you put Rain on the anti, the other two players can just be one pointers. Not bad in my opinion.
You guys are just mean to each other. Only thing I would say is that if you think you can get a better anti team player that you can replace with someone worth 1 less point (ex trade Bisu for Idra) then go for it because you only need 13 on anti.
Any pointers? I got destroyed last round by a bad Samsung KHAN pick and sHy grabbing me -27 on the anti I think.
I love the tzain and soO pick but i would trade fantasy for a lower point player and upgrade Hyuk to fly. Also jangbi isn't worth the 6 points unless you believe the last week of round 1 was him coming up (i believe it was a fluke). If you really like fantasy as your big ace then drop jangbi to a 5 or 4 and then upgrade hyuk to either fly for 2 or one of the many 3 point terrans such as light or last.
Thanks! I really like Fantasy as a pick and Jangbi is more of a heart pick than anything else - last week's results semi-convinced me to repick him. Will look into Flying.
On January 04 2013 12:37 StarVe wrote:Not really, looks decent. In all kill format every anti team player can fuck up your whole season with a lucky all kill (even qxc all killed IM, nothing is impossible) so you have to get lucky yourself.
Main team is fine, I don't fancy Jangbi but he can do well for sure. Thorzain probably won't get too much playtime but what else would you expect from a 2-pointer, really?
Solid team overall, I guess.
Thanks! Yeah all-kill seems really volatile for fantasy league but I guess that's what makes it fun?
On January 04 2013 12:49 catplanetcatplanet wrote: I've seen like no herO[jOin] picks. How come? Did I miss something?
I think hes very middle of the road right now. Dont want him on your A team or your anti-team. Atleast thats why i didnt choose him. Plus his point total is a little overrated i think
Once again I fail at creative team names (I think my last team name involved sticking TaeJa in the name too).
I'm banking of TaeJa carrying basically, with Revival looking like a good prospect from his IPTL performance vs FXO. I'm extremely iffy about... well, the entire rest of the team besides those two, to be honest, except for Light who is still untested in all-kill format. I kind of want Sin instead of Speed, but I don't know which 2-pointer is the best idea to switch Light/Bbyong with; Puma's looking good in IPTL, but I don't even know if he'll play considering EG-TL's extremely top-heavy power. Bbyong's another repeat from my previous team, but after a good start he slid into <50% win/loss and devalued a fair bit.
What makes it a big guessing game is that beyond occasional sniping, it seems so iffy if some of the lesser-known/lower-skill players will even get to play. It wouldn't surprise me too much EG-TL just spammed Jaedong+Hero+Taeja+Stephano all round long (...Or any high-profile teamless player they might pick up before the official beginning) while benching guys like Puma and JYP (who I absolutely loved last round for his performance, but don't think is solid enough for non-sniping).
I (once again) picked SKT1 since they had Rain, Fantasy, and a couple of other hard-hitters who I couldn't afford on the actual team; I expect them to do well in all-kill format.
For anti-team, hyvaa seemed like a good deal since he's been doing badly and is kind of high-value. I hope Reality doesn't do as "well" as last time, since he's a repeat anti-teamer and even though he did mediocre, he still docked me 8 points. JangBi's probably the biggest unknown for me, I picked him because he seemed statistically "meh" and I needed a mid-tier guy to fill out anti-team requirements.
On January 04 2013 12:50 Wunder wrote: Is Flying that good? Looks like his record is 0-4 on TLPD for Proleague?
not really, but he's one of the stronger 2-point players, and he's on one of the stronger teams too. probably WJS' supporting protoss. he's a bit better than his poor record imo
On January 04 2013 12:50 Wunder wrote: Is Flying that good? Looks like his record is 0-4 on TLPD for Proleague?
He had a very poor first round and he's shown potential in the past. For his point value it's by no means a bad pickup. You just have to hope he gets hot. He's on a team with a pretty good core of guys atm. He'll be sent out, just not as often as some of them.
On January 04 2013 12:50 Wunder wrote: Is Flying that good? Looks like his record is 0-4 on TLPD for Proleague?
not really, but he's one of the stronger 2-point players, and he's on one of the stronger teams too. probably WJS' supporting protoss. he's a bit better than his poor record imo
There's actually a handful of players I like at the 2-3 point value atm. Maybe I should reconsider and go top heavy like lots of the other guys. Last time I did that it ultimately backfired lol
On January 04 2013 12:51 Darkaros wrote: I didn't post my last round team, but since I actually did decently (Eh, #1079 for first time) here's this round's:
Not sure if I should go with Bogus/SKT (what I have) or Flash/STX. I'm afraid of going too deep on KT and I also want to have a better team so I can trade down if STX actually does well.
Baby for captain because he's going to play every game, and he's going to get lots of kills.
Hydra, Best, Light and Revival are steals at 3 points. They will all get a fair amount of play time. Hydra, Best and Light are on strong teams, while Revival has done well in the past in all kill formats. Wooki for the last points because he's very consistent and on KT. Rounded off with SKT because it's so cheap.
hyvaa and Trap are going to lose. They may play, but they'll lose. I can't imagine them getting more than 1 kill. STX versus KT and SKT. I predict all kill, so easy two picks this round. JYP plays versus Flash. JYPvT is really bad, so it should be slaughter there.
I think this round you want to get lucky with multi-kills and anti-streak kills instead of hoping for team wins, so I made sure everyone I picked would get at least some exposure.
On January 04 2013 12:51 Darkaros wrote: I didn't post my last round team, but since I actually did decently (Eh, #1079 for first time) here's this round's:
Haha, we even have similar thinking for our main teams. I wanted a more rounded team and opted for Speed/Bbyong/Jaehoon instead of trying to add in another high value player like Flash though. GL!
I see a lot of people with Speed on their main team, can anyone explain? I have him on my anti. He's a pure TvZ sniper with mediocre play, and T8 is probably set up the worst of any team for an all-kill format. I don't think he's going to do well at all.
On January 04 2013 13:08 Cel.erity wrote: I see a lot of people with Speed on their main team, can anyone explain? I have him on my anti. He's a pure TvZ sniper with mediocre play, and T8 is probably set up the worst of any team for an all-kill format. I don't think he's going to do well at all.
Just because he mainly played Zergs doesn't mean he will only beat Zergs. He's 1-0 against Terran and 0-1 against Protoss, that's a sample size you can extrapolate nothing from.
And Team 8 isn't as bad as they're made out to be.
Baby is good overall, Speed looks solid to me (maybe not to you), Jaehoon wins some and loses some but is at least somewhat decent, Terminator is a good PvZ sniper, I think, and there are worse Zergs than Ryul2.
I actually thought about picking them and gambling on them beating Khan and doing decently well against CJ.
One thing that irks me about the captain system is there's no upside - for my team, I'd prefer to have fantasy or shy as my captain, but I might actually want to trade those players, whereas mini will never be good enough to trade for anyone decent, so I can have him captained safely.
I feel like if captains scored double or something (as they do in other fantasy games I've played) then there would be a bit of risk/reward.
Overall principles - get guys who are going to be sent out. No longer are teams sending out 6 players (7 counting ace). Now it's just 4 players each match who will be up there.
My team: Classic - solid pedigree, bad record last round, but I think he might be able to pull it out, plus cheap.
Fantasy is a confirmed starter against JYP, and he's an excellent player. I'd back him for that match and could well go on for a big result. Might get traded for Taeja after round 1 (EGTL have SKT1 and KT in R1, so not keen on their chances)
Hydra had a solid season and gets sent out a LOT. He's up against terminator first round, which is winnable, and then T8's soft underbelly could be exposed.
Light - If he gets sent out, he's my hot pick for most undervalued player. 2-0 last round, their captain, great pedigree - could be this round's Wooki. Plus, he's sent out first round, so that's a good sign (and if he beats stork, soft underbelly of Khan beckons)
Mini - a bit trash, but he had a not terrible record last round (1-2), which means he's sent out a bit and knows what it's like to win on TV. Pretty solid for 1 point.
sOs - was a bit of a boss last round, and stars are playing Khan and CJ. Can also possibly trade for some of those juicy 6-7 pointers.
Anti-team Idra won't play Jangbi is a bit of a risk.. but he isn't first up in the first round, and didn't have a stellar record. JYP is a) not that good, b) going to struggle to be sent out ahead of EGTL's top heavy lineup and c) up against Fantasy and the other match is against KT Rolster. I can trade him out after R1 if needed.
On January 04 2013 12:51 Darkaros wrote: I didn't post my last round team, but since I actually did decently (Eh, #1079 for first time) here's this round's:
Haha, we even have similar thinking for our main teams. I wanted a more rounded team and opted for Speed/Bbyong/Jaehoon instead of trying to add in another high value player like Flash though. GL!
GLGL. I hold an unbreakable rule to get Flash as my captain. It was actually Taeja who I decided to throw in for the occasion! I do like your well-rounded team though.
Looks good to me, though personally I think a 1 and a 3 is better than a 2 and a 2 in this format, since low-cost players will rarely play at all. You could pick a 1 from your favorite team and a 3 that you think will perform well.
Bit worried about this team here.. Surprisingly I did much better in Round 1, but that's probably because I had majority KT players and KT as my team reeling in the points for me. I still wanted Flash as my team captain because I feel like he will always produce some good results and get maybe a multi-kill here and there. Bbyong is a solid Terran so he shouldn't be too bad right? Bisu.. It was a choice between him or Best and I wasn't too sure so I just went ahead with Bisu. Hydra seems like a solid Zerg, but I don't know if I should go with him or Revival. Light, you guys all say is going to be a boss so follow the crowd right? Haha. It was either him or Last, which I may reconsider for Last instead. Thorzain cause you know I needed a 2 pointer and he could potentially grab some multi-kills. And ya know KT I hope can rock this Round and get me all the juicy points.
My anti-team was just who didn't do as well in Round 1 so it's a total shot in the dark there.
Both JYP and Stork are starting in one game in the first week. JYP is up against Fantasy where he'll probably lose, and Stork is against Light which could go either way. BUT, I expect EGTL to do better than Khan this time FOR SURE, and I expect JYP will be played as a PvP or PvZ sniper depending on the matchup, and his best matchups seem to be better than Stork's best matchups. So in the long run, I think Stork on the Anti team will work better than JYP unless Stork just goes ape shit on Woojin Stars, despite the fact that in week one, JYP will most likely lose to Fantasy so he'd be a pretty good bet for Anti team... Maybe I should start with JYP then trade to Stork... But I'm not sure if I'll be able to do that.
On January 04 2013 13:08 Cel.erity wrote: I see a lot of people with Speed on their main team, can anyone explain? I have him on my anti. He's a pure TvZ sniper with mediocre play, and T8 is probably set up the worst of any team for an all-kill format. I don't think he's going to do well at all.
Just because he mainly played Zergs doesn't mean he will only beat Zergs. He's 1-0 against Terran and 0-1 against Protoss, that's a sample size you can extrapolate nothing from.
He was sent out on Zerg maps, he's a Zerg sniper. That indicates TvZ is his best matchup. And having seen his games, his TvZ was not very impressive, therefore, I assume his other two matchups are also not impressive. Not extrapolating anything.
Both JYP and Stork are starting in one game in the first week. JYP is up against Fantasy where he'll probably lose, and Stork is against Light which could go either way. BUT, I expect EGTL to do better than Khan this time FOR SURE, and I expect JYP will be played as a PvP or PvZ sniper depending on the matchup, and his best matchups seem to be better than Stork's best matchups. So in the long run, I think Stork on the Anti team will work better than JYP unless Stork just goes ape shit on Woojin Stars, despite the fact that in week one, JYP will most likely lose to Fantasy so he'd be a pretty good bet for Anti team... Maybe I should start with JYP then trade to Stork... But I'm not sure if I'll be able to do that.
They're both in tough match-ups. That's why I went with Speed and BeSt to pick up the pace early so I can trade up if need be before next week. JYP is playing where I saw him playing at. Just above 50%. Any player who is capable of playing at that rate is a vet and you should tread carefully. That's why I think Stork on your anti-team might be more advisable. JYP and Stork will be sent out a lot though and you know how January loves her Protoss line so it's playing with fire and you really have to hope Stork doesn't get hot. Compared to Jangbi I'd say Stork is a safer bet on your anti.
On January 04 2013 13:08 Cel.erity wrote: I see a lot of people with Speed on their main team, can anyone explain? I have him on my anti. He's a pure TvZ sniper with mediocre play, and T8 is probably set up the worst of any team for an all-kill format. I don't think he's going to do well at all.
Just because he mainly played Zergs doesn't mean he will only beat Zergs. He's 1-0 against Terran and 0-1 against Protoss, that's a sample size you can extrapolate nothing from.
He was sent out on Zerg maps, he's a Zerg sniper. That indicates TvZ is his best matchup. And having seen his games, his TvZ was not very impressive, therefore, I assume his other two matchups are also not impressive. Not extrapolating anything.
Since when is Antiga solely a Zerg map? That's news to me.
Tal'darim, okay. I get that. Antiga? Not sure if they always assumed a Zerg would be sent out there.
Both JYP and Stork are starting in one game in the first week. JYP is up against Fantasy where he'll probably lose, and Stork is against Light which could go either way. BUT, I expect EGTL to do better than Khan this time FOR SURE, and I expect JYP will be played as a PvP or PvZ sniper depending on the matchup, and his best matchups seem to be better than Stork's best matchups. So in the long run, I think Stork on the Anti team will work better than JYP unless Stork just goes ape shit on Woojin Stars, despite the fact that in week one, JYP will most likely lose to Fantasy so he'd be a pretty good bet for Anti team... Maybe I should start with JYP then trade to Stork... But I'm not sure if I'll be able to do that.
They're both in tough match-ups. That's why I went with Speed and BeSt to pick up the pace early so I can trade up if need be before next week. JYP is playing where I saw him playing at. Just above 50%. Any player who is capable of playing at that rate is a vet and you should tread carefully. That's why I think Stork on your anti-team might be more advisable. JYP and Stork will be sent out a lot though and you know how January loves her Protoss line so it's playing with fire and you really have to hope Stork doesn't get hot. Compared to Jangbi I'd say Stork is a safer bet on your anti.
Thanks StarStruck, that helps a lot and I agree with your assessment completely. Like I said, JYP failing is only a gut instinct, but everything else in me says that if I have to pick a five pointer to not do well, it's Stork.
I made my team based on players with good cost/points ratio in R1.
* wooki, Action and h0n_sin did great for cost 3 players, and I think they'll do well. * Speed and Light give some trade flexibility if they don't do as well as expected. * I picked Major as a fellow Mexican. * I expect T1 to do well with Rain, Fantasy and Soo. Yeah, I sold out
On January 04 2013 13:29 Pandain wrote: Haruhi is seriously like the most under-rated choice, he's KR GM but suffers from nervousness (from Baby's interview, I believe).
Only matter of time, betting on this season!
Didn't even have a TLPD so I know nothing about him TT It'd be cool if I could find the interview.
hero and puma might be pretty controversial in my anti team, but i don't feel like either of them is playing particularly well in the matchups that they are likely to play in... Watch out for Bisu about to hit form (maybe wishful thinking )
Let's see.. not feeling too confident about this team, but hoping for the best lol
Flash - I'm too big of a fanboy. God. MUST have. Everytime. No matter what. Bbyong - At 3 points, he's a steal. His play dropped off a bit at the end of the last round, but I still have faith. Jaehoon - Destroyed my FPL last season ( thank god i traded him) , and it seems like he'll be played quite a bit, considering the depth ( or lack thereof) of T8. He wasn't too shabby last round. Mini- Honestly, i don't know much of him. but I could only pick a one pointer. He at least had some appearances last round, and hoping STX will get a lot of wins. Revival - Don't know too much about this player, but I hear he's good. Soo- Steal at 5 points.
SKT T1- It hurt to pick this team (cause i'm suc a KT fanboy) , but choosing KT would make my main team crap. And SKT T1 has really good players for this kind of format ( Rain, Fantasy, etc). Expecting them to get me lots of points.
Hoping for a top 100 finish this round!
Actually edited my anti team to - Hyvaa, Jaedong, and Turn.
Both JYP and Stork are starting in one game in the first week. JYP is up against Fantasy where he'll probably lose, and Stork is against Light which could go either way. BUT, I expect EGTL to do better than Khan this time FOR SURE, and I expect JYP will be played as a PvP or PvZ sniper depending on the matchup, and his best matchups seem to be better than Stork's best matchups. So in the long run, I think Stork on the Anti team will work better than JYP unless Stork just goes ape shit on Woojin Stars, despite the fact that in week one, JYP will most likely lose to Fantasy so he'd be a pretty good bet for Anti team... Maybe I should start with JYP then trade to Stork... But I'm not sure if I'll be able to do that.
They're both in tough match-ups. That's why I went with Speed and BeSt to pick up the pace early so I can trade up if need be before next week. JYP is playing where I saw him playing at. Just above 50%. Any player who is capable of playing at that rate is a vet and you should tread carefully. That's why I think Stork on your anti-team might be more advisable. JYP and Stork will be sent out a lot though and you know how January loves her Protoss line so it's playing with fire and you really have to hope Stork doesn't get hot. Compared to Jangbi I'd say Stork is a safer bet on your anti.
Thanks StarStruck, that helps a lot and I agree with your assessment completely. Like I said, JYP failing is only a gut instinct, but everything else in me says that if I have to pick a five pointer to not do well, it's Stork.
Yup, I was going to even pick him myself but I'm playing with even dangerous fire by hoping Bogus will be a total flop in round 2 for STX. I think it's going to be very difficult for Khan and STX to come up with wins in this format compared to the rest. I should toss T8 in there as well, but they do have a few guys who I know can put a few games together so meh. D:
Got no real idea what I wanted to do here, so I picked mostly players from SKT with The Terrorist as my captain once again . Now that I look at my team, I realise I should not have Speed in my anti-team...
My first draft main team was like almost all terrans. Did some splash around for some variety in race and decided to remove fantasy for stephano as capt since I am a loyal zerg. I don't know why but I think JD is gona do really bad..
Pretty much betting the farm on EG-TL this time, lol. I think they'll do way better this round since it's a more familiar format, they've settled down, and Stephano is joining. Puma and Thorzain probably won't kick much ass, but I had to get them since I sacrificed so much for Taeja (good value) Stephano (might be risky) and EG-TL as my team. Flying is cheap for his value and though I hate Mini, he seems to be the most seen and best of the 1 pointers....hard to believe I know.
The anti feels pretty good. Don't expect anything at all from Bisu, Jangbi is overpriced and Jaehoon has won a few games here and there but I cannot recall them >_>
I like my RorO and JangBi choices the most. One of them is gonna go on a killing spree to keep KHAN's head above the water, I can feel it. Light's gonna do well, wait and see. He already beat Stork once; I think he can do it again in week 1. Had a tough time deciding between Dear and Crazy-Hydra, but figured a KT Zerg would be a safe bet. Plus, I already had enough Protoss infesting (heh) both sides of my team.
So last round I had two players on my main team who retired on me, and all three on my anti-team got like 15 points each... so it was a rough round hopefully this team will perform a little better!
So here is my reasoning for this team. I wanted to base my team around Taeja because last round he beat tough players in all three matchups, and his only losses were to other high-caliber players (Rain and herO[join]), so I see no reason why his success won't continue. JYP and Crazy-Hydra were my next two choices because they were both very consistent and beat some good players in round 1, which makes me feel like they are reliable choices. Hydra I picked because I needed someone for three points and after a little bit of looking around he seemed like a decent option.
Shine and Thorzain low-point risks that I am not counting on, but could see rewarding me for only 2 points each. Sure Shine did horrible but hes on a crappy team so I am sure he will still get playing time and hopefully turn things back around. Thorzain on the other hand didn't play so great either but I always think he has the potential to have a big week.
I picked SKT because they are a good team overall and I think they will fair even better in an all-kill format because they have TWO ace caliber players in Fantasy and Rain, which I think makes them very threatening.
For my anti team I chose Action to account for most of the 13 points because I don't think he will live up to his 6 point value this round. If you look at his record in round 1, he didn't win against a single decent player the whole time (although he did beat ThorZaiN and Hydra who are on my main team... so maybe I'm just a hypocrite). I may be wrong about him but most other players at his point value or higher have proven themselves by beating higher caliber players than Action has.
Main Team 3 Bbyong Had him last time. Wasn't too disappointed, steal for 3 points. 4 hyvaa I don't have good justification for this one. Wanted a 4-point Zerg. 3 Revival I think he's excellent. I hope I'm right. 8 Shy (captain) As much as I love Fantasy, went for Shy as my ace this time. I feel he'll do well every round. 6 Wooki Playing excellent. KT is on a roll, my biggest fear is that others will clean up before him. 2 yeOngJae He's looked good from what I've seen, one of the stronger 2-pointers. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] They're strong, and my favourite team.
Anti Team 6 RorO 2 Shine 5 Stork Samsung is bad at the moment, and Shine on my team kept me out of doing well last round. RorO was excellent for a time, but I haven't been impressed with him lately at all.
I think EGTL will have a rough week going against the 2 power houses, but i dont doubt Teeja has a map picked out for Flash and will be waiting. And as much as i like the KT roster, im putting my money on Teeja taking that momentum and running with it for at least a few kills. I think Speed (Cure) is set up for a good week starting against Khan and then sniping against CJ. Flying, Light and s2 really underrated at 2 and 3 cost, pretty sure they will all see use and WJS and SKT solid teams. Hon_sin (Bravo) was consistently exciting and impressive in round one and i look to him as a points performer week in and week out. I made this team based heavily on my thoughts of the week one matchups and will be looking to trade a fair amount the first couple weeks. But after looking at the teams people are posting i really like the strat of getting benchwarmers from winning teams and then picking up 2 aces, i thnk that will probably be the winning formula this round. Pretty excited, good luck everyone!!
For my main team, Baby and hero[join] are going to be my anchors. I put Baby as captain because since the rest of team 8 is relatively weak compared to him, it's almost guaranteed that he will play in every match, so I'm confident he will be a consistent point scorer throughout the round. Likewise, CJ doesn't really have any other standout players other than Effort, so I expect hero[join] to play a lot as well. Best, Hydra, and Light are all solid 3 pointers I feel, and I expect them to get a fair amount of playtime. Also, they are all starters for 1 match during week 1, so I hope they can each score a few kills and up their trade value so that I can potentially trade them for some of week 2's starters. Acacia is just there for the team points, since I expect KT to do pretty well again in Round 2. Also, I chose a zerg for my 1 pointer so I will have more flexibility if I wanted to trade Hydra. I think SKT is going to do well relative to their price. Rain, Fantasy, and Soo are all capable of multi-kills. Plus, since teams earn less points this round for winning, it's better to spend more on a better player than getting a more expensive team.
I've had success in the past with the anti-team strategy of selecting one high value player and 2 low value players, so I'm doing it again here. I doubt Zenio will get much play time in this format, since the EG-TL lineup is so deep. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, Hero, Revival, and JYP would all get sent out before Zenio. Idra simply isn't going to play, so he's a safe pick. Among the 8 point players, Bogus has looked the weakest, and he's terran, so I'm just going to hope he flops.
R1: Decent placement (#585) for the first time in round one for me, thanks to TaeJa (7pts) and Fantasy (6pts, LOL). BaBy tucked me over though, should've played it safe with Stephano trade T_T
These picks were much harder.. Initially made Rain + Stephano (+ scrubs team), but then realized they can be sniped while scrubs win nothing
Metal Gear Rox Main Team 7 Stats 5 Dear 5 ZerO 3 Ryul2 3 Last 3 Bbyong 4 Main theme was well-rounded players with slight favor to Protoss and Zerg players - coaches ♥ map-based picks, and there were more Ps and Zs fielded on proleague maps (Entombed Valley feels like P&Z heaven lately, don't know how "Neo" maps look though). Strangely enough I have 2Z 2P 2T composition. Lastly, T1 is basically Rain + Fantasy for 4 points.
Anti Team 3 Hitman 5 hOn_sin 5 Stork Overpriced players, don't know about switching hOn_sin for JangBi and making Samsung anti-team..
Feedback would be appreciated and good luck to everyone!
Reasoning Balance was key in my picking: Main -Acacia as filler, free points when KT wins. -Bbyong is undervalued slightly imo, good bang for buck. -Crazy Hydra performed well for me last round, going with him. -Dear because I needed a Protoss, seemed to do well last round. -Fantasy cause he led my team last round ^^. -Light b/c people are saying he's a beast, so I guess I'll hop onto the bandwagon haha. -SKT b/c again, most bang for buck, Rain & Fantasy as their two headed monster = lots of all kills hopefully =) Anti I expect Samsung Khan to get stomped alot, so I went with Stork & Reality. Went with JYP b/c there were no other Khan players available lol.
On January 04 2013 17:00 sunnata wrote: R1: Decent placement (#585) forthe first time in round one for me, thanks to TaeJa (7pts) and Fantasy (6pts, LOL). BaBy tucked me over though, should've played it safe with Stephano trade T_T
These picks were much harder.. Initially made Rain + Stephano (+ scrubs team), but then realized they can be sniped while scrubs win nothing
Metal Gear Rox Main Team 7 Stats 5 Dear 5 ZerO 3 Ryul2 3 Last 3 Bbyong 4 Main theme was well-rounded players with slight favor to Protoss and Zerg players - coaches ♥ map-based picks, and there were more Ps and Zs fielded on proleague maps (Entombed Valley feels like P&Z heaven lately, don't know how "Neo" maps look though). Strangely enough I have 2Z 2P 2T composition. Lastly, T1 is basically Rain + Fantasy for 4 points.
Anti Team 3 Hitman 5 hOn_sin 5 Stork Overpriced players, don't know about switching hOn_sin for JangBi and making Samsung anti-team..
Feedback would be appreciated and good luck to everyone!
I'd say your team is pretty good so far. I'm not 100% sold on the sniping logic but you probably can't go wrong with a well-rounded team. My opinion is that Ryul2 hasn't shown enough to convince me he's that good, and the Last vs. Light debate is pretty controversial. I side with Light but if you prefer Last, there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody really knows.
As for your anti team, I think that while hOn_sin may not be worth 5 necessarily, he's still pretty good. You can decide between him and JangBi's (who does give you a 1 point advantage), that is kind of tough.
Speed is a really strong macro player, I think he and BaBy will carry Team 8 a lot in all kill format. Team 8 for 2 points is probably the best deal in the team picks. Light is undervalued at 3. He's a really strong player that was rumored to be sick the first few weeks of round 1 so didn't see much play, but will probably be core player for Stars going forward. Hon_sin was a bit pricey at 5 points. I'm actually contemplating between Hon_son and soo as they are both 5 points and both strong macro players that have a lot of potential in all kill. I think Woongjin Stars is the strongest team in all kill format so went with Hon_sin in the end. Revival is undervalued as well. He has always performed well back in GSTL for TSL before, and just beat Gumiho and Leenock in IPTL for EG. He could very well upset Flash in the opening match, but even if he doesn't Revival is a good long term investment. Taeja because team Taeja, reverse all kill all day everyday. Trap because I realized I had 4 points left and must pick a protoss. I think he underperformed in round 1 so 4 point is a pretty good deal. Bogus has not been playing that impressively IMO and I think Trap and Dear will have to carry a lot of weight for STX this proleague season.
Jaedong on anti team? Blasphemy! Well actually Jaedong is going to be in Vegas for some kingston hyperx tournament. So he 100% won't play the 2nd series vs SKT1, and possibly will be on a flight and miss the KT match as well. That's good enough odds for me. Anti team with the new adjusted values is hard as hell and this is by far the best anti team pick given what we know about the travel timing. Bisu because he has not performed well in SC2 at all. I don't see SKT1 using him a lot. Reality is risky pick but so are most of the 3 pointers anyway. Reality will see a lot of play from KHAN, as he's the core 4 along with Stork/Jangbi/RorO, but he hasn't performed well. Might switch to hitman for this pick because with Flash/Stats/Wooki/Action/Crazy Hydra on KT's core hitman won't see much play in all kill format.
I had to have Taeja in this. I was debating between Taeja and HerO and I just had much more confidence in Taeja to pull off a streak.
Put Jaedong in the Antiteam because I think he's not gonna come up with the bacon.. Very tempted to put Stephano in the antiteam with his GSL prep and foreigner legacy but chickened out.
edit: Argh A Taeja Rain team though could be wise. 9 +11 so 10 points over 4 spots + a team.-> Throw wookie in there so Mini , 2 more khan players and khan....
Was having a hard time deciding between Taeja and Fantasy. Originally I wanted to use them both but I have a feeling Taeja might be sniped a lot by a strong PvTer. Also Fantasy might be played earlier and is thus has more All-kill potential, as SKT always has Rain to fall back on as their ace.
8pointers are really tough this season. Baby, Bogus, Soulkey, shy, effort and stephano are up there with Hero. All of these players except Stephano had a strong round 1, but all of them also lost to players I'd consider weaker than them. In the end I decided on HerO since he is CJ's ace player and also solid in every matchup. I Have a feeling this will make or break my performance this season.
Soulkey 6-2 last round and I think he will do very well in this rounds format.
Wooki Good showing the first round going 4-1 and I really liked his play.
Speed Going 4-2 in the first round for T8...this guy will get a lot of playing time, and for 4 points this was a steal.
Ryul2 He'll get a lot of playing time for T8 and from the games I saw him play in I was really impressed. I can only see him getting better, and at 3 points I had to have him on my team.
Light Didn't get to see his games, but from what I've heard he's a steal at 3 points. Plus going 2-0 in the first round doesn't hurt
Major Finally living his dream, I think Major is going to do very well in this round. Seeing Team 8s record in the last round, I think Major will see a lot of playing time and win a lot. A lot of playing time + winning @ 2 points = win win win!
[tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] Was going to pick SK Telecom T1 this round anyway, but I think they will be the strongest team for this sort of format with Rain and Fantasy leading the way.
Anti Team
JangBi Not worth 6 points and from what happened last round I think this is a safe anti team pick.
Stork Same reason as JangBi, but not worth 5 points.
Really hesitated between TaeJa and Stephano for a captain but I think TaeJa will score me more points. Being a KT fan is getting really expensive, couldn't afford KT and SKT looked like a fair deal for 4points.
Main team Im going for a pretty all-innish style, picking two really good guys (Fantasy and Flash) and hope for them to score some allkills or atleast do good. So either they do good and it goes well or they fail to deliver and then my whole team is in the dumpster.
Bbyong can do well and I think he is worth 3 points.
Thorzain for two points could be nice, I think he will win more than he will lose if he gets to play. Also nice to get some +1 points if EG-TL wins.
fOKINS and BisAnG are 1 pointers both in WJS, I think WJS will do good so they can net me some +1 points.
Since I wanted to choose a team that could rack up some wins but still was semi cheap I chose SKT.
Anti Team Hitman is on KT so might get some +1s from KT wins but I doubt he will see much play and if he will play I think he will lose.
JYP I dont like that much and I think he is quite awful
Stork is somewhat of a chancepick, he might do good but I hope he wont!
Took a daaaaaaamn long time figuring my team out for this round. Lots of second-guessing after reading some of the smarter FPL'ers reasoning in this thread.
Start from the top: sSak is one point, on a team that is likely going to kick ass. sSak, I personally believe, also has a better chance to play over Acacia (whom lots of people seem to be picking.) Either are good picks, but I've already got slots filled by KT members, so I wanted to spread-out just a little since I don't have any other SKT in my line-up. Gotta get dem free points!
Revival. Three points. Sick Zerg who's guaranteed to play this week and next thanks to A) him opening in the first night, and B) Jaedong being out-of-country next week. I'm pretty confident he'll see a lot of play outside these days, so I'm going to go for him first over the multitude of 3-pointers in case he wins against FlaSh. I'll still get those sick EG-TL wins! Think of it as an investment.
Speaking of investments, I've also picked Light, the team champion! Three-point players were a hard slot to fill. Light? He's got sick potential and has shown it with a 2-0 in the first round, and opens this week against a weak Samsung KHAN. Stork has looked like he's shaping-up, but we still don't know. I'm hopeful, but keep in mind that Light was only fielded twice this season, against mediocre opponents, and there's probably a reason he's only been fielded twice. After an hour of back-and-forthing over three-pointers, this is the result, though: a risk taken in hopes we see his BW skill shine-through on Team Winjin STARS! Get it? Win? Winjin? Get i-
ZerO! More Woongjin. They're gonna kick some ass. So, my five-pointer was between Crazy-Hydra, ZerO and hOn_sin. At first I wanted to pick Crazy-Hydra since he's the motherfuckin' Crazy-Hydra (and he's on KT Flash), then I wanted to pick hOn_sin since he's the clearest sniper, going 4-2 against some sick Terrans in the last round, but ZerO has also taken some prolific names. He might be 4-3, but he just seems more rounded.
For my KT investment -- which should really be larger -- I've got Stats. He's got good stats. He's kind of lacking a chin nowadays, which makes me sad, but I still love him. He did really well last round, and his team is looking good for this round between FlaSh and himself. And those Zergs I guess.
Most expensive pick? herO. All this talk about everyone but CJ Entus, and CJ is my second most-invested team. herO is going to get played every game, and he's still looking pretty consistent in his wins, so he's my big pick for players. I don't know how well his team will do in this round's format, but I'm confident he'll do well, and hopefully I can trade him for an ace on another, better team.
My last pick, my team, is CJ Entus. Not too worried about team-based points this round since they got nerfed, and CJ is good for three points. I'd rather allocate that extra point needed for SKT1 in to the above Fantasy team.
Anti-Team
Hitman I just edited-in as I decided derpface has a better idea about anti-teaming than I do. Hitman guaranteeing me a negative point a week, but just that? derpface is right: Hitman ain't gonna see the light of day.
JYP isn't going to see much time. I don't think he'll excel in this format, and there are stronger players on the team who have a better chance of finishing-off the game before the camera ever sees this kpop star. He'll lose to FanTaSy as starter in the first week, then bye-bye. I hope. Please.
Stork... he's lookin' like he might be finding himself, but I'm taking the risk and saying we're going to see another mediocre showing against this round's strong opponents. Additionally, Samsung isn't going to do too hot, so there's always the not having to worry about "my team won" points.
Pretty much gambling on samsung khan being a trainwreck again this round for my anti.
Fanta and skt are easy choices that I'm sure will bring me big points.
Hydra, best, light and bbyong are all undervalued at 3 pts imo. I had last instead of light at first but everyone and their mother seems to be hyping him so what the hell.
I considered dear + revival instead of soo + best but first of all, I think skt will dominate this round with rain+fanta combo, which means plenty of team win points. Moreover, Revival is a starter this week (albeit against flash) but I wonder how much playtime he'll get since EG-TL is so stacked, especially after stephano arrives and with only 4 players per set in WL, so I think the skt pair is a better choice.
I changed my anti team to Jaedong/hyvaa/hOpe instead of Jangbi/Stork/hOpe.
What do you guys think is better?
Jaedong has Up&Down matches shortly after the match against KT so I'm not sure if he'll play since he isn't starting like Flash and he'll be in Vegas for the second match so he's out of the question for that. hyvaa is not that good and STX is playing SKT and KT, I think they'll lose both matches.
Jangbi and Stork both went something like 3-3 last round, not sure if that's bad enough to make choosing them a bad idea. And you basically rely on Khan being terrible again, which doesn't seem to be much of a stretch.
On January 04 2013 22:22 StarVe wrote: I changed my anti team to Jaedong/hyvaa/hOpe instead of Jangbi/Stork/hOpe.
What do you guys think is better?
Jaedong has Up&Down matches shortly after the match against KT so I'm not sure if he'll play since he isn't starting like Flash and he'll be in Vegas for the second match so he's out of the question for that. hyvaa is not that good and STX is playing SKT and KT, I think they'll lose both matches.
Jangbi and Stork both went something like 3-3 last round, not sure if that's bad enough to make choosing them a bad idea. And you basically rely on Khan being terrible again, which doesn't seem to be much of a stretch.
I'll probably keep hOpe in any case.
Jangbi has been playing pretty good considering he was practicing BW for the longest period. I haven't seen all his games, but his games weren't necessarily bad lost. His multitasking was pretty good. I wouldn't bet against him, although it's an All-Kill format (different from practice).
For the anti team I feel like Hitman is never going to be played (Only 4 players MAXIMUM fielded per match) by KT and he was way to high at 3 with his winrate. I felt ZerO and hOn_sin had low enough winrates for their point values enough to also be put. Was thinking of risking Bogus but wasn't worth it as he probably will have a lot of games played. Was considering Shine on antiteam but he was only worth 2.
For my main team I basically tried getting the most point-efficient people, from a spread of teams and also players who actually will be sent out.
Been tinkering with it for a while based on observations of better players in this thread, and I am happy with my team right now.
Picked SKT for 2 reasons, 1 is they are really cheap considering the lineup they have, and 2 they have boxer for coach.
Light - rumoured to be a beast Mini - code A for 1 point, yes please Revival - with JD being absent for SKT and focused on up and downs GSL he is the Zerg in EGTL (also IPTL) Speed - wrecked my anti team last season, started following him and I really like him now Taeja - very streaky player, one of my favourites on my favourite team Wooki - KT points, very good
Anti:
Huk - won't play, EGTL have tough matchups W1 and W2 hyaa - STX have tough matchups W1 and W2 Jaedong - JD is absent for SKT and focused on up and downs GSL for KT, also 7 points, can be traded later
On January 04 2013 22:22 StarVe wrote: I changed my anti team to Jaedong/hyvaa/hOpe instead of Jangbi/Stork/hOpe.
What do you guys think is better?
Jaedong has Up&Down matches shortly after the match against KT so I'm not sure if he'll play since he isn't starting like Flash and he'll be in Vegas for the second match so he's out of the question for that. hyvaa is not that good and STX is playing SKT and KT, I think they'll lose both matches.
Jangbi and Stork both went something like 3-3 last round, not sure if that's bad enough to make choosing them a bad idea. And you basically rely on Khan being terrible again, which doesn't seem to be much of a stretch.
I'll probably keep hOpe in any case.
Jangbi has been playing pretty good considering he was practicing BW for the longest period. I haven't seen all his games, but his games weren't necessarily bad lost. His multitasking was pretty good. I wouldn't bet against him, although it's an All-Kill format (different from practice).
I think most people's impression of Jangbi is that he's not worth 6 points, for a 3-3 record. He is the best protoss on KHAN though, and did play an ace match against herO[jOin] (and win); I think jangbi and Roro both have the potential to put on a streak and win 3-4 games, but just as well no one would be surprised if KHAN were to lose an individual match 0-4. WIth weak 1 matches againstwoongjin and T8, I wouldn't be surprised if he ruins a LOT of anti teams.
Personally went with stats on my anti- for big ticket. He only played on Ohana in the last round, yet KT is starting Flash over him on that map against TL-EG? He's overvalued for a sniper, if that even is what you call him. Wooki played a variety of maps last round, and won all of his PvP's; I expect him to come out more than stats does, and I expect Flash to go on streaks and stomp faces, so hopefully I just end up picking up points for the KT team wins, and stats never needs to play.
Structure: Two killers, two brawlers, two fillers and one solid team Rules: Only one player per team and no trades Goal: Maximize the fun and finish in the top 20%
I just feel like I should remind some people that it's not a very smart choice to put players on your anti-team that are teammates of players on your main team.
I'm seeing teams with two EG-TL players on Main and then another two EG-TL players on Anti and I'm just having a hard time understanding why that seems like a good idea.
In other news, I tweaked my team around a little....still got 12 hours to fuss over it too.
Dear - One of STX's big hitters. I'm still a believer of SouL and Dear/Last is a VERY strong combo, especially in an all-kill format. They also have a strong back-up cast and I'm expecting good things from STX this round, I worked really hard to keep Dear on my FPL team, he was a very good investment last round.
Fantasy - As one of two aces on an extremely stacked (and undervalued right now) SKT team, he's the obvious choice of heavy hitter given how expensive Rain is. I picked him last round and he brought me good points, I'm expecting it to continue.
Last - The other part of my STX Wombo-Combo that I'm hoping for. OSL Semi-Finalist for 3 points? I'll take it.
Leta - The only member of my team I'm not all that excited about. I love Leta, and I HOPE he's rapidly improving in the CJ house, but he's really only here because my dream-team puts a 2-pointer in this slot and that puts me one point too high. I'd much rather have ParalyzE the Afro-Toss here, but I'm just not willing to compromise the rest of my roster for it.
sKyHigh - I keep flip-flopping back and forth on this one. I'm a huge sKyHigh fan-boy and it IS Winner's League, where the sKy rises....but Bbyong also for 3 points is such a good pick as well. I'm probably going to flip a coin and come back to this, but I've got good faith in Jo Byung Se
soO - SKT Zerg line, my captain the past two FPL seasons, and an absolute beast. I felt he really performed well last round play-wise and some unfortunate losses lowered his value this round. I'm expecting to see a lot of him.
Team - SKT1 - At 4 Points, SKT is the obvious choice for a team with a high-point captain. I entertained the idea of running a team using Stats/KT Rolster (same point value) but Action and Wooki being as pricy as they are left that slightly out of reach.
ANTI ANTI ANTI
JYP - Most people think picking JYP would be very silly for anti, and I agree. Given that they play SKT and KT first round though, and JYP is going up against Fantasy in an opener, I'm banking on JYP getting smashed both games, EGL losing, and then trading him away for someone less threatening.
Zenio - Not sold on this one, placeholder, still thinking.
ZerO - I'm not a fan of WJS, and I don't think ZerO is as influential in their line-up as hOn_Sin is for the same point value given that they have Soulkey. Also not sold on this one, anti picking is REALLY hard this round.
Changed my anti. I'd rather have 1 good player on a very stacked team combined with 2 no-shows than both Stork and SoO who are guaranteed to play for their teams and just might do well. Jaedong seems very snipeable as well and the mappool isn't very Zerg friendly.
Still contemplating switching out Woongjin and Flying for SKT and Revival. I feel Woongjin and SKT are intertradeable, but Woongjin has easier opponents round 1. I'm pretty sure Revival will get more play time than Flying, but his current skill level is completely unclear to me.
PS. Can't trade Flying because I need a Toss, sweet :D
Seemed way harder to makea team this time cos the EGTL players were properly scored this time. Realy hurts that I couldnt have Flash cos he's absolutely amazing at all-kill format, but just couldnt get the team to go within 30 points
Changed my anti. I'd rather have 1 good player on a very stacked team combined with 2 no-shows than both Stork and SoO who are guaranteed to play for their teams and just might do well. Jaedong seems very snipeable as well and the mappool isn't very Zerg friendly.
Still contemplating switching out Woongjin and Flying for SKT and Revival. I feel Woongjin and SKT are intertradeable, but Woongjin has easier opponents round 1. I'm pretty sure Revival will get more play time than Flying, but his current skill level is completely unclear to me.
PS. Can't trade Flying because I need a Toss, sweet :D
This is very similar to my last team build lol :D Changed it like 7 times before tho, even a full hipster one with Baby, Jangbi and KHAN.
Starting with team, I think SKT1 can do some serious damage this round, and for 4 points I think they might turn out to be better pick than KT for 6.
As for players I went with Fantasy as captain since he was really good in previous round in all matchups, and for 9 points he was the best deal (I also considered Taeja cause he's key player for his team for 9 points as well, but decided to roll with Fantasy in the end). I also picked Shy, as he was one of the top players in previous round as well, and I hope he'll do some serious damage. Then come Speed and Light who are promising enough, and both are starters in the first round, against opponents they have very good chance at beating, afterwards they might be good trade material. I also considered Revival since many people claim he's a good deal for 3 points, but seeing as his 1st game is against Flash, and in 2nd his team goes against SKT1 I think he might be good player to trade for after week 1. Last two guys are 1 point fillers from KT for a few extra points.
Regarding anti-team, those guys seemed like a good choice, for reasons stated in this topic many times.
I wanted to have both Taeja and SKT1 because i think those will do really well in the Allkill format. First off i didn't want Taeja but i changed my mind because he historically always delivered in this format. SKT1 has to do well unless they mess with weaker players... i mean, Rain, Fantasy and soO all have good chances to deliver even allkills.
Then after these i saw how many promising 3 pointers there are. Light didn't play much in R1 but has super good stats so far, and he also was doing well in BW. I think he will be played more, specially because he also starts off a match. He probably was ill for some time.
Bbyong and Reality both can perform really well, better than their current value imo. Revival also showed some great play in the Allkill format in the past. I just hope that he'll play often, and perhaps he can even beat Flash, which i then wouldn't be too sad about. ^^
Biggest gamble imo is the pick of Stork. I prefered him over soO because i think it's a given he'll always play and i hope it will not be a mistake in the end, but if Stork doesn't perform things will likely be bad again for KHAN and i really don't hope that.
Anti team is pretty hard, i first had EffOrt in it but then i read Jaedong will not play one match for sure and perhaps another one. So i went with Jaedong as a big pointer. Hitman... i don't know him and think (or hope) KT has much better players. Free should be a good pick too because again i think WJS has better players and he won't be played often. Only problem for my anti team is that i think EGTL, WJS and KT will all do pretty well and the players get some points with wins.
edit: I only have one Zerg, but i think that'll be good. Didn't Blizz say they'll nerf the infestor in WoL again early January? Also the PL maps don't seem very good for Zerg so far. edit2: Just looked myself. DB said sometime in January they'll look at it, so probably not gonna happen soon.
Looks like I am one of the very few who went without a big hitter (rain, taeja, fanta, flash, etc) this time around...
My general strategy was to take solid core players who will play in most matches and are able to win a game or two with the potential to go on a massive killing spree.
Best F(r)iends Forever
Main Team 6 Action Very solid player who went 5-1 in the last round. Will get to play in many games as the best zerg on KT. 3 Bbyong Was devastating last round during the first two weeks on my anti. Should get back on track with a lot of work. He is also the terran with the best results on CJ. 3 Revival Is a beast in teamleagues! With the Dong absent during the first two weeks and zenio in meh-shape he will be the zerg player for EGTL. 3 Points is very cheap for a player of his caliber, expect his value to rise soon. 5 soO Did OKish in the last round. Some very good performances and some derping around. Still the best zerg on SKT1 and a valuable core player that will get to play a lot. Picked him mostly out of gratitude for not failing me as much as the others on my team did last round. 7 Stats (captain) Went 5-0 last round and looked really strong. Still prefere him to wooki as he is more well-rounded. Another KT player that will get to play very often and has the potential to get a couple wins each match. 2 yeOngJae A filler who might appear as a sniper for SKT1. Mostly picked him because I did not want to go with players that only give points through their teamwins. Had him on my team last round and he did as expected, better than most other 1 or 2 point players. 4 SK Telecom T1 With heavy hitters such as Rain and Fantasy and a solid core behind those two I can see them profit the most from this format. If Rain and Fanta are in expected form I don't see them finish worse than top 2 with the potential of multiple all-kills. No-brainer for only 4 points imho.
Anti Team 3 Hitman Will only be used as a sniper in a team as stacked as KT. Most likely not going to appear... ever. 5 JYP Can be sniped fairly easy and showed some serios derping last round. I don't see him being played as often as in the last round due to only 4 players being send out per match. 5 Stork Very big question mark on him. Didn't perform too well last round and seemed like a good pick for a 5-pointer. Outshadowed by JangBi so far, don't see that changing soon. Still a big gamble here, might end up killing me.
Looks like I am one of the very few who went without a big hitter (rain, taeja, fanta, flash, etc) this time around...
My general strategy was to take solid core players who will play in most matches and are able to win a game or two with the potential to go on a massive killing spree.
Best F(r)iends Forever
Main Team 6 Action Very solid player who went 5-1 in the last round. Will get to play in many games as the best zerg on KT. 3 Bbyong Was devastating last round during the first two weeks on my anti. Should get back on track with a lot of work. He is also the terran with the best results on CJ. 3 Revival Is a beast in teamleagues! With the Dong absent during the first two weeks and zenio in meh-shape he will be the zerg player for EGTL. 3 Points is very cheap for a player of his caliber, expect his value to rise soon. 5 soO Did OKish in the last round. Some very good performances and some derping around. Still the best zerg on SKT1 and a valuable core player that will get to play a lot. Picked him mostly out of gratitude for not failing me as much as the others on my team did last round. 7 Stats (captain) Went 5-0 last round and looked really strong. Still prefere him to wooki as he is more well-rounded. Another KT player that will get to play very often and has the potential to get a couple wins each match. 2 yeOngJae A filler who might appear as a sniper for SKT1. Mostly picked him because I did not want to go with players that only give points through their teamwins. Had him on my team last round and he did as expected, better than most other 1 or 2 point players. 4 SK Telecom T1 With heavy hitters such as Rain and Fantasy and a solid core behind those two I can see them profit the most from this format. If Rain and Fanta are in expected form I don't see them finish worse than top 2 with the potential of multiple all-kills. No-brainer for only 4 points imho.
Anti Team 3 Hitman Will only be used as a sniper in a team as stacked as KT. Most likely not going to appear... ever. 5 JYP Can be sniped fairly easy and showed some serios derping last round. I don't see him being played as often as in the last round due to only 4 players being send out per match. 5 Stork Very big question mark on him. Didn't perform too well last round and seemed like a good pick for a 5-pointer. Outshadowed by JangBi so far, don't see that changing soon. Still a big gamble here, might end up killing me.
I know Jaedong won't play week 2 because of the tournament in America, but where did you hear he won't play week 1?
I'm thinking of switching Fantasy+Roro -> Flash+SoO as well.
Personally I think you'd be better off keeping Fantasy, dropping a point on RorO > soO because you're playing SKT and then upgrading the free point somewhere else.
Due to the All-Kill format i tried to have player from various teams rather than just going allin for a team I am hoping for good performances from my boys when they are sent out. Crazy-Hydra played extremely well last round and I expect him to be sent out often as the 2nd best Zerg on KT. My biggest gamble is with Jaedong, my fanboyisms may have overcome logic in this one , I'm just hoping for alot of ZvZs where he can snipe people. Jaehoon prettey much just wanted a Solid player from a different team, T8 is pretty shallow so he'll see alot of playtime. Light same thing. Revival I'm hoping that he gets used alot, and i think he's under valued at 3, they put him as the starter against KT and he's looked really good in the IPTL so I think this was a safe bet. JyJ SKT1 is coached by BoxeR, Fantasy is too expensive the next Terran on the list is this guy. JyJ was sent out a few times in the last round of PL and preformed awesome for his price so i think he's a good pick here. Kt is the best team right now imo and i didnt want to pick EG-TL cause then i would have 3 EG-TL and thats too many eggs in one basket for me.
Huk is a foreigner and not ThorZaIN. JangBi this is a huge risk on my part, JangBi is going to be played alot I am just hoping that he falls short. He looked decent at the end of the first round of PL but I still feel he's not preforming anything near his skill. soO is SKT1's best zerg, but i haven't been impressed with him, from what i've seen.
I wasn't really using my head while making this, more like personal preferences of the players. I just had to have Action for example Also, I think Light is pretty damn good and it's a wonder how he comes so cheap, so picked him up as well. Because my favorite team is KT, I had to use up a lot of points there, and got stuck with Calm and Leta. Also, hoping free can snatch a win or two when he gets sent out.
As far as my anti team goes, Bogus seems inconsistent, Jaedong was never any good in SC2 and is probably most overpriced player in FPL. As far as JYP goes, he's just bad.
I wasn't really using my head while making this, more like personal preferences of the players. I just had to have Action for example Also, I think Light is pretty damn good and it's a wonder how he comes so cheap, so picked him up as well.
As far as my anti team goes, Bogus seems inconsistent, Jaedong was never any good in SC2 and JYP is JYP.
Just thought I'd be the one to tell you that going over the 13 point required minimum for your anti-team is almost never a good idea, especially by 7 >.>
I wasn't really using my head while making this, more like personal preferences of the players. I just had to have Action for example Also, I think Light is pretty damn good and it's a wonder how he comes so cheap, so picked him up as well.
As far as my anti team goes, Bogus seems inconsistent, Jaedong was never any good in SC2 and JYP is JYP.
Just thought I'd be the one to tell you that going over the 13 point required minimum for your anti-team is almost never a good idea, especially by 7 >.>
i think he took the anti team thing in an emotional way
I wasn't really using my head while making this, more like personal preferences of the players. I just had to have Action for example Also, I think Light is pretty damn good and it's a wonder how he comes so cheap, so picked him up as well.
As far as my anti team goes, Bogus seems inconsistent, Jaedong was never any good in SC2 and JYP is JYP.
Just thought I'd be the one to tell you that going over the 13 point required minimum for your anti-team is almost never a good idea, especially by 7 >.>
I'll just leave them be and hope they don't perform. :D Specially since it's an all kill format now afaik, doubt any of them can get over a win in a row, maybe only Bogus.
I wasn't really using my head while making this, more like personal preferences of the players. I just had to have Action for example Also, I think Light is pretty damn good and it's a wonder how he comes so cheap, so picked him up as well.
As far as my anti team goes, Bogus seems inconsistent, Jaedong was never any good in SC2 and JYP is JYP.
Just thought I'd be the one to tell you that going over the 13 point required minimum for your anti-team is almost never a good idea, especially by 7 >.>
i think he took the anti team thing in an emotional way
well, I'm not really competing here, this is just a fun thing for me, something to keep me up and waiting for the actual games :D
Team8: Fantasy has been patched and teams won't garner as many points as before. A player in WL format has the potential to bring in a lot more points than the team would. Team 8 looks better than I had ever expected, though. 4-1 CJ wat?
Captain Flying. His performance in PL is disappointing, but he's down at 2 points. I had to get a cheap player and Flying is an easy pick here. Captain because I want to be able to trade my high value players.
Jaehoon. I like what I've seen from him so far. I think he has potential.
Light did an excellent r1. He's 7-1 in sc2 vs excellent players for 3p, so this is kind of a steal. And here's the kicker, this kid has like 5 all-kills under his belt.
Soulkey just looks amazing. I just like the way he plays, huge potential.
Speed I'm not 100% sure about, but I saw him outplay Jaedong and was surprised at how solid he looked. Excellent macro.
Stats destroyed r1 and is on a serious winning streak. Huge all kill potential.
ANTI
hyvaa. Had him on my anti in r1 and he didn't disappoint. I'll trade him away for JD when JD goes absent from pl.
RorO. khan ace but honestly he looked like shit in r1. He's done well before in sc2, though. Feels risky but yolo.
It's a little problematic that I don't have players spread out over more teams, but I think these players are great value so I should be able to solve it with trades. Really wanted to get Dear but unfortunately he's starting against Wookie and I couldn't fit him in anyway. He's probably the first player I'll be looking to get.
On January 04 2013 01:24 nooboon wrote: Create A Team- yup very original. Picks are in order of selection.
Main Team 9 Fantasy Originally had flash but decided to go with fantasy as SKT T1 is my team pick and that one extra point allowed a little bit more room to pick players.
5 soO Only able to pick him because of Fantasy pick giving an extra point to work with. SKT T1 zerg that will support Fantasy and Rain.
3 Revival EG-TL has Teaja so they have a good shot to win. Along with Jaedong ZvZ sniper. Also has a much higher chance of being fielded than Zenio. More of a hit or miss pick.
1 sSak (captain) This guy will not make an appearance this round. Therefor making it all but impossible to trade him off my team. Is on SKT T1.
The next two are the key picks. 6 RorO One of the best player's on KHAN. Likely to be fielded. Ace material for a 6 pointer. Counter-acts anti-team if Samsung wins.
2 Flying Best choice of all the two pointers for my team. The other two pointer's were unproven or were very likely to lose. And I already had 3 SKT T1 players so i didn't want to take on a fourth. The one positive is that flying is on a good team.
Debating on wheather to keep Flying and Roro, or scrap the sixth player (flying) and get an 8 pointer. Scrapping Roro would also mean getting rid of Jangbi as Jangbi will win at least a few games.
4 SK Telecom T1 Two aces and a great supporting cast for only 4 points.
Anti Team 6 JangBi Does bad: Happy. Does well: well fuck, time to trade him away. 2 Puma Ditto. 5 Stork Won one game. Lost another by losing all his probes.
Create A Team
Main Team 9 Fantasy Will appear more often than Rain.
1 Mini Switched for Ssak because Mini actually has a slight chance of appearing for STX.
2 ParalyzE (Captain) Captain only because he won't play making trading him even harder. SKT T1 so, team points.
3 Light Revival has a tougher opponent in flash. Light will at least beat Stork. Can trade afterwards.
6 RorO Could always trade for a lower point sleeper later on. 5 SoO SKT T1 Zerg.
4 SK Telecom T1 Two aces and a good supporting cast.
Anti Team 5 JYP 5 Stork 3 Terminator Replaced Jangbi for JYP because Jangbi will appear and win some games. JYP one the other hand will probably not appear. (Although EG-TL coaching is to be considered here as JYP might just be sent in) Roro counter's Stork's points. Switched Puma for Terminator because minimum point requirement and terminator will probably not win a match.
Once again still debating on having five players or six.
EDIT: Replaced Revival for Light because of Week 1 match ups.
Nothing special here, just going for 2 Top Players with Flash and Taeja and hoping for Bisu to do better . Although he did not do well I think he is still better than a 3. Anti-Team: Effort and JYP are a little overrated in my opinion and I dont think that Huk will do well.
I knew coming in there were three things I wanted: Fantasy (part of the 1-2 combo for a strong SKT1 team), SKT1 as my team, and Revival (he becomes the top Z for EG-TL until Stephano for only 3 points). Fantasy was a steal last round but now he's bumped up to 9 points which limits the rest of the team more than I hoped. After getting these 3 things, I needed KT and I didn't just want some team point leech. Flash would just cripple my team so it had to be between Stats at 7, Action at 6, Crazy-Hydra at 5, or Wooki at 6. Really wanted Stats but at 7 it hurt my other spots. I'm not sold on C-H so I went with Action. After covering the top teams, I started looking for a guy who would see a lot of play with the potential for wins with a price of 4 or under. I had Speed on my team last round and was impressed by his results so I went with him. Plus, I see either Speed or Jaehoon being the next best player on that team after Baby. With 4 points left, I had for awhile Flying (wanted someone from WJS) and Sacsri (just a team point getter). The more I looked at it thought, I just couldn't see Flying getting put out too often over Soulkey, Zero, hOn_sin, sHy, free or Light. The only problem is that I would have to drop my other 2 pointer to 1. I ended up going with Light just because I like his potential so I took Mini as my flyer for the 1 pointer.
Anti-Team: Zenio is now the 3rd best Z and possibly the 6th or 7th best player on EG-TL and dropping a spot when Stephano comes. hyvaa just does not look good to me. JangBi could hurt on the anti but I don't think SAM will do well in this format with a lot teams probably setting up a sniper for him and Stork.
Looks like I am one of the very few who went without a big hitter (rain, taeja, fanta, flash, etc) this time around...
My general strategy was to take solid core players who will play in most matches and are able to win a game or two with the potential to go on a massive killing spree.
Best F(r)iends Forever
Main Team 6 Action Very solid player who went 5-1 in the last round. Will get to play in many games as the best zerg on KT. 3 Bbyong Was devastating last round during the first two weeks on my anti. Should get back on track with a lot of work. He is also the terran with the best results on CJ. 3 Revival Is a beast in teamleagues! With the Dong absent during the first two weeks and zenio in meh-shape he will be the zerg player for EGTL. 3 Points is very cheap for a player of his caliber, expect his value to rise soon. 5 soO Did OKish in the last round. Some very good performances and some derping around. Still the best zerg on SKT1 and a valuable core player that will get to play a lot. Picked him mostly out of gratitude for not failing me as much as the others on my team did last round. 7 Stats (captain) Went 5-0 last round and looked really strong. Still prefere him to wooki as he is more well-rounded. Another KT player that will get to play very often and has the potential to get a couple wins each match. 2 yeOngJae A filler who might appear as a sniper for SKT1. Mostly picked him because I did not want to go with players that only give points through their teamwins. Had him on my team last round and he did as expected, better than most other 1 or 2 point players. 4 SK Telecom T1 With heavy hitters such as Rain and Fantasy and a solid core behind those two I can see them profit the most from this format. If Rain and Fanta are in expected form I don't see them finish worse than top 2 with the potential of multiple all-kills. No-brainer for only 4 points imho.
Anti Team 3 Hitman Will only be used as a sniper in a team as stacked as KT. Most likely not going to appear... ever. 5 JYP Can be sniped fairly easy and showed some serios derping last round. I don't see him being played as often as in the last round due to only 4 players being send out per match. 5 Stork Very big question mark on him. Didn't perform too well last round and seemed like a good pick for a 5-pointer. Outshadowed by JangBi so far, don't see that changing soon. Still a big gamble here, might end up killing me.
I know Jaedong won't play week 2 because of the tournament in America, but where did you hear he won't play week 1?
Yeah it's only week 2. I'm not 100% on the schedule for January, but I think most of the EG players should be available to play but you never know. Oh right, Iron Squid... Yeah, probably not advisable to pick JD or Stephano because you will be losing them for at least a week in this round.
After changing my team about a hundred times, I think this is my final idea. First I picked my team, SK Telecom because (what you've heard a hundred times, but I actually made an excel file and it's quite obvious it's statiscally true) with Fantasy + Rain in this format, they are awesome. Then my strategy was simple : 3 very strong players (turned out it's one of every race I went for) from 3 different teams that have an all-kill potential, and with this format, I made sure they also were the "best" player of their race in each team, to be sure their race is not only used by the team as a sniper, but they consider the chance of an all-kill in training : for example if you consider Stats > Wookie (take it as a fact, for the example) I believe chances are Wookie might be used as a sniper more. I also tried to have them in 3 different teams, because if you have 2 from the same team then they both obviously can't make a big streak : if I wanna play for a high points team, I find it very important that my 3 "aces" have the chance to all-kill every round. So in the end I end up having a very good player in every team, and SKT (=Rain + Fantasy, so I sort of have 4 aces all in all). Then I went for 3 1 pointers, from KT and SKT for the "nonamers" and Mini because there is a chance he does well again I guess.
As my team anti-team goes, I picked players who I believe are the most overrated in this format in comparison to their points : I don't mean to say that Jaedong is noob for example, but seeing how he lost to Choya the other day, he might not be the most well-rounded player, which is very important in this format. If you have any thoughts, as I've changed my team 100 times (for example other ideas of 3 aces ?) I'm very open to suggestions to improve it! At least this will be fun to follow as I should have some interest in pretty much every match.
For round 2 I went in with my duo from round 1 for my main team, in Flash and Fantasy, who served me really well there. And just as in round 1, I picked KT Rolster as my team, this time with higher point value because of their success in round 1. This time I had less points over to use since Fantasy's increase of value from round 1. Since I only had 5 points left for 4 players, I picked one of my favorite players, ThorZain, aswell as 3 one point players.
ANTI TEAM
I originally wanted Stephano on my anti team but he wasn't available until week 2. Therefore after week 1 I'll trade away Stats for Stephano to my anti team. The reason I picked Stats is because I assumed he wouldn't play against EG-TL because Flash is starting and hopefully he doesn't have to play against STX either, which I think won't change his point value anything so that I can trade him for Stephano.
I think for this format its fine to play with a smaller, more effective team (basically I have 5 - but 5 that might do well!) Team is also less important now it got nerfed.
Possible trades at the end of week 1: Team 8 --> STX soO --> Dear Bbyong / Light --> Revival
Will depend on wins / losses as to whether or not I can make these trades but I remain hopeful.
The overall strategy I went with was to focus on a strong pick for each race first and foremost, with high enough point values that I'd have more flexibility with trading down the road... if necessary. Next I wanted players with All-Kills under their belts, whether it's from BW or SC2, I don't mind. I feel the experience with two, three, and all-kills are worth a lot. I also wanted SKT as my team choice, because they're an absolute steal at 4 points.
TaeJa - Felt like a solid choice for Terran, and I had to have at least 1 EG-Liquid player on the roster. I really, really wanted to have Fantasy on the team because I love to watch his play, but at the end of the day I opted for good ole Taeja.
Stats - 5-0 in Round 1. Originally I had sHy here, followed by Wooki, but I think Wooki will underperform in Round 2. Stats may have only played on Ohana, but he downed players of all three races including Jaedong and CJ.herO. He's also got three all kills to his name from '10-'11, so I have faith!
Crazy-Hydra - This was a toss-up between C-H and ZerO, who I think will both do very well as far as reasonably priced Zergs go in Round 2. In the end I went with C-H For a few reasons: He's pulled off an all-kill before, back in 2011 Winners League. Next, ZerO seemed like more of an individual league player. Finally, Action will not perform as well as Round 1 imo, so we're guaranteed to see C-H in the booth a good amount.
Light - Like many others, I wanted Light because I think he's super undervalued at 3 points. I think a mid-price Terran fills out the team nicely, and LighT's got 4 past All-Kills in Winner's Leagues. Hoping for great things from him this round
PenguiN - Eh, he's on KT, so he'll bring in team win points. Doubt he'll see any play, but with a name like Penguin, how could I pass him up?
Leta - I made Leta captain so I could free up as many points for trades as possible. I also think his race switch to Protoss will be interesting, and can't wait to see him fielded. He's also got All-Kills under his belt. With my fingers crossed, I'm super hopeful that he'll be a total steal at just 1 point.
Final note, and it's just a feeling, I think Revival will struggle -If he even sees any booth time in this round. Might be worth it to pick him up for Round 5 depending on how he's doing by then.
Edit: Forgot anti-team! Jangbi + Hyvaa, feel like fairly obvious choices to me. I'm hoping JangBi doesn't make me regret this. I don't think Motive will get off the bench much with both Stats and Wooki already on his team.
Having trouble picking one of my last players, I really wanted to pick Taeja but with this format EGTL has a lot of good players, Fantasy will probably get more playing time, but then there is Rain and SKT has a good team around too, Bogus on the other hand on STX doesn't have much support, he was my captain last time but didnt fair to well, wondering your guys thoughts
sry for the offtopic question but what qualifies you for some of the divisions you are put in: "forum veterans" for example the terran, zerg, protoss player divisions should be obvious but I'm kinda curious as to what divisions there are and what it takes to get placed in there ^^
On January 05 2013 03:29 sVnteen wrote: sry for the offtopic question but what qualifies you for some of the divisions you are put in: "forum veterans" for example the terran, zerg, protoss player divisions should be obvious but I'm kinda curious as to what divisions there are and what it takes to get placed in there ^^
For Staff you have to be staff and for Forum Veteran you have to be registered for one year (?).
There's also the Forum Lurkers group with people who didn't post yet. Nothing more, I think, you have to sign up for everythign else you want to be in.
I believe Khan shit the bed pretty hard last round and while they might not be a championship winning team, they're better than 1 point too. Same with SKT1 though, they're for sure worth more than 4 points, I'm not sure that EGTL is worth the 6 points that they cost either.
I also think that EGTL, SKT1 and KT will trade wins a lot more this round... So after much deliberation, I'm cheaping out on my team in order to get three heavy hitters: Flash, Taeja, and soO, coupled with Revival who was looking good the other day. Am I crazy? Should I be picking a better team for the team slot at the expense of better players?
1 player per team 4 starter this week all players will play often RorO effect
Main Team 5 Dear (captain) Chose him captain because due to his great performance in R1 he will play alot for stx, also starter this week. 3 Light Going with the hype, plus he's a starter this week 3 Revival He's good, had great perfomances in GSTL, also wiped FXO Leenock and Gumiho, thats something. 6 RorO Khan's Ace, I bank on him to be the streak breaker (since khan is gonna lose often) 5 soO He is a core player from Skt, will play 4 Speed Did amazingly well for his team last round, he will be sent out often 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] Skt is pretty good for this format, rain, fanta, soo, I feel they can win alot
Anti Team 2 Huk I doubt he will get play time 4 hyvaa Will be sent out but he did horrible last round 7 Jaedong He prolly will miss round 1, easily snipeable, can trade him later.
So, much harder to create a team then I originally thought it would be, the point system, sigh had such a good team in my head too, still, with the all kill format for round 2 things should be quite interesting. As for my team, team TaeJa, he should be good for points, Trap and soO have done well and I believe they they will be quite solid this round, as for Bisu, well, I just like him and just hope they send zergs against him. Best of Luck to us all.
Main Team 9 Fantasy - Him doing poorly would be a fantasy, and a bad one at that. 2 Flying (captain) - I don't know who the flying fuck this guy is but he looks good for 2 points 3 Light - Gosu player for such a light cost 1 Mini - Code A player, though he was eliminated, he's better than most kespa players I'd say. Also comes at the mini-price of 1 point so I can't complain 3 Revival - OG SC2 player who bosses it up in teamleagues. I hope he does well during EG-TL's revival from their poor state in round one. 8 Soulkey - The key to this team's soul; really solid player that will win a lot of games and is also on one of the better teams. 4 SK Telecom T1 - The best team in proleague; a truly fantastic team. The other teams will be paralyzed at the sheer thought of how much awesomeness SKT1 will rain down upon them.
Took out my heavy hitter (Soulkey) for Stats so I can get better bottom barrel players instead of having 2 for team points. I think Light will do well. Also switched out Soo for Dear hoping he can do well against Wooki in the first week.
My anti looks like it's the same as a couple other people. hyvaa + trap is definitely better than risking it with major and roro
Some basic thoughts about my team's composition: Originally, I had planned to get Rain, Flash, and bunch of unknowns and call it a day. The All-Kill format really favors the superstars, so I still don't think that would have been the worst idea ever. But Flash has been vulnerable in TvT, which makes him a real liability in team leagues for snipers. I eventually decided I'd rather build a team around three players who I think can string together victories than two that I know can dispatch a whole team. So...
Main Team 8 Bogus (captain) Originally, Rain occupied this spot, but for three points cheaper, I think Bogus is more cost effective and frees up points for a third ace (not to mention Bogus is in the very small club of people who have beaten Rain!). 2 Flying Obviously with three high tier players, I had to fill out my team with some low end guys. My basic philosophy was "who seems undervalued?". Flying has been pretty average in Proleague, but he was also in OSL Ro4, so I don't think he's worth only two points. I'm not depending on him for a victory, but I'm hoping he won't roll over and die. 1 Mini Again, undervalued. Remember, Mini 2-0'd Naniwa in GSL Code A, so I have at least some faith in him. I don't expect much from Mini; I only want him to not be free meat for other teams, which I think he can manage. 1 rare I have no idea who this is. <3 8 Soulkey Like Bogus, Soulkey is probably not going to be a GSL champion anytime soon, but he's dependable, and I think he can put together a string of wins against any team. Plus, he seems underpicked, and so I'm willing to gamble that he can get me points that no one else is getting. I was going to put Stephano here (who I think is better than Soulkey), but he won't be in Korea for another two or three weeks, which is a lot of missed matches. 6 Wooki Wooki is probably my favorite KeSPA player. Aside from his awesome name, he's seemed REALLY solid so far, and the games he has lost weren't routs. I think he's improving rapidly, and I trust him in every matchup. Under the right circumstances, I think he can put together a two or three kill, and I think he will round out the trifecta of Soulkey and Bogus quite well. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] I think either EG-TL or SKTelecom are the smart picks here, given the depth of their rosters. But for two points cheaper, I'll take SKTelecom any day. Between Fantasy and Rain, I don't think there's any team that has a chance of all-killing them. EG-TL is obviously where my heart is, but goddamnit I want a special icon on these forums.
Anti Team 4 hyvaa I don't like this guy. You wanna fight? Come at me bro! 4 Jaehoon Jaehoon was the bane of a lot of players' teams last round, having started off really well, quickly being traded off the anti-team, and then promptly losing the rest of his games. I'm betting he'll keep on losing. 5 JYP This makes me the worst EG staffer ever. But don't get my wrong -- JYP is one of my favorite players. Nevertheless, his PvT is still a serious issue, and in an all kill format, that's deadly. I'd trust him to pick a game off of nearly anyone in the league, but they can just turn around and put in a good terran and GG.
So I've been messing around with my team and I have come to a few tough decisions and would like to ask peoples' opinions! Here is a poll to keep the answers in one easy to see place, but also feel free to comment with your reasoning as well.
There are two T8 4-point players that seem like they could be great picks for their value, Jaehoon and Speed. Speed did pretty well last round, going 4-2 overall and beating pretty good players like Jaedong, ZerO, and Hydra. However, he lost to Trap and s2 who are not horrible, but aren't awesome either. Jaehoon on the other hand went 3-3, beating Bogus, Shine, and Mind, but all of his losses came to elite players, EffOrt, Soulkey, and TaeJa.
With Stephano being out for the first match, and Jaedong going to be out for the second (and possibly third?) match, I assume these two Zergs have an opportunity to see some playing time early on. Although Revival is starting things off against KT in the first match, he is playing against Flash which I don't see going very well for him. Zenio did ok last round going 2-2, but he didn't play a ton. With Revival and Stephano being added this round, I wonder if his play time will decrease more.
Poll: Who is better of the EGTL Zergs, Revival or Zenio?
Revival (10)
56%
Neither will play much/perform well (8)
44%
Zenio (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Who is better of the EGTL Zergs, Revival or Zenio?
(Vote): Revival (Vote): Zenio (Vote): Neither will play much/perform well
Lastly, JYP surprised the hell out of me last round. I thought he had fallen off a bit and chose him for my anti-team, but that was a mistake that I regretted later as he went 5-3. This time around he is valued at 5 points. If he continues playing as well as he did I think he would be worth it, but I'm not 100% certain that he didn't over-perform a little bit in round 1.
Poll: Is JYP worth 5 points?
No (8)
50%
Maybe, but there are other 5 point players who are better (6)
38%
Yes (2)
13%
16 total votes
Your vote: Is JYP worth 5 points?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Maybe, but there are other 5 point players who are better
Bbyong: Best terran on CJ, third best player (behind effort and Hero) - should have a good deal of playtime. Solid midrange terran allover, steal for only 3 points. Best: One of the more hyped players this season I think, but probably worth it. Only 3 points, starting round 1 against STX (although it IS Ohana which every team except KT seems to want to play a protoss on). Second best SKT protoss behind Rain, who is going to be playing Ace, so if they need another toss he will get the playing time. Should pick up plenty of team points, because SKT is stacked for winners league format. herO[jOin]: had a great record last round, and is getting the start against woongjin which makes me hope that he won't play the ace position (effort will). Main concern on my team is this position. Either thinking I'll trade this down to Roro, or up to Fantasy. hOn_sin: also a debatable position. TvT sniper, on a team that's playing against KHAN and CJ, neither of which are terran heavy. Might trade this down to Jaehoon. Last: getting the start against SKT, second best terran (behind bogus, the ace) on STX, got 4th in the OSL, only 3 points? Not sure he'll be a star, but certainly worth looking at if you don't want to pick up the hypemachine that is Light. Unfortunately I lose (and win) either way in the STX/SKT match having Best and Last. Might trade this up to speed or Jaehoon. soO: does anything need to be said here? SKT teampoints, best Zerg on the team by a longshot, only 5 points? wheeee! CJ Entus: I'm a fan, and I think while they're not necessarily undervalue, they're worth their points. Might trade this up to SKT.
Main Team Trades I am considering:
1. hOn_sin down to Jaehoon (+1), herO[jOin] up to Fantasy (-1) 2. hOn_sin down to Jaehoon (+1), CJ up to SKT (-1) 3. herO[jOin] across to sHy/Bogus (even) 4. Last down to Sacsri (+1) and hOn_sin up to Jangbi/Roro (-1) 5. Last across to Reality (even)
Anti-Ryul2: I don't expect T8 to get many wins in this format, and I don't expect a player like Ryul2 to play often. previously had Zenio and Bisu in this position, but I expect EG-TL and SKT to get more wins than T8. Anti-Stats: Huge overvalue at 7 points. KT has only played him on Ohana previously, but they've got flash starting over him in the first match, what is that? I expect Wooki to play first as protoss, not stats, and I'll eat the KT teampoints. Will trade to stephano if he doesn't show up (again). Anti-Terminator: big disappointment last round, and again of the players worth 3 points, I've either picked them, or expect their team to do better than T8. Should play, but hopefully not very well.
Anti-Trades I am considering:
1. Ryul2 up to Hyvaa/Trap (+1), Terminator down to a KHAN 2 pointer (shine, hOpe, Turn) 2. Stats across to HerO (even)
Whoo, that was longer than I expected. Thoughts on my team? My reasoning? My proposed trades?
Some basic thoughts about my team's composition: Originally, I had planned to get Rain, Flash, and bunch of unknowns and call it a day. The All-Kill format really favors the superstars, so I still don't think that would have been the worst idea ever. But Flash has been vulnerable in TvT, which makes him a real liability in team leagues for snipers. I eventually decided I'd rather build a team around three players who I think can string together victories than two that I know can dispatch a whole team. So...
Main Team 8 Bogus (captain) Originally, Rain occupied this spot, but for three points cheaper, I think Bogus is more cost effective and frees up points for a third ace (not to mention Bogus is in the very small club of people who have beaten Rain!). 2 Flying Obviously with three high tier players, I had to fill out my team with some low end guys. My basic philosophy was "who seems undervalued?". Flying has been pretty average in Proleague, but he was also in OSL Ro4, so I don't think he's worth only two points. I'm not depending on him for a victory, but I'm hoping he won't roll over and die. 1 Mini Again, undervalued. Remember, Mini 2-0'd Naniwa in GSL Code A, so I have at least some faith in him. I don't expect much from Mini; I only want him to not be free meat for other teams, which I think he can manage. 1 rare I have no idea who this is. <3 8 Soulkey Like Bogus, Soulkey is probably not going to be a GSL champion anytime soon, but he's dependable, and I think he can put together a string of wins against any team. Plus, he seems underpicked, and so I'm willing to gamble that he can get me points that no one else is getting. I was going to put Stephano here (who I think is better than Soulkey), but he won't be in Korea for another two or three weeks, which is a lot of missed matches. 6 Wooki Wooki is probably my favorite KeSPA player. Aside from his awesome name, he's seemed REALLY solid so far, and the games he has lost weren't routs. I think he's improving rapidly, and I trust him in every matchup. Under the right circumstances, I think he can put together a two or three kill, and I think he will round out the trifecta of Soulkey and Bogus quite well. 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] I think either EG-TL or SKTelecom are the smart picks here, given the depth of their rosters. But for two points cheaper, I'll take SKTelecom any day. Between Fantasy and Rain, I don't think there's any team that has a chance of all-killing them. EG-TL is obviously where my heart is, but goddamnit I want a special icon on these forums.
Anti Team 4 hyvaa I don't like this guy. You wanna fight? Come at me bro! 4 Jaehoon Jaehoon was the bane of a lot of players' teams last round, having started off really well, quickly being traded off the anti-team, and then promptly losing the rest of his games. I'm betting he'll keep on losing. 5 JYP This makes me the worst EG staffer ever. But don't get my wrong -- JYP is one of my favorite players. Nevertheless, his PvT is still a serious issue, and in an all kill format, that's deadly. I'd trust him to pick a game off of nearly anyone in the league, but they can just turn around and put in a good terran and GG.
TL-EG Fighting!
What happened to the original Boob Fart that you posted 3,5 hours earlier? Looks like you mass murdered it. :o
hOn_sin might not be worth 5 points, specially in a team with Light (who is maybe a better terran overall) and a stacked lineup. Can't say much about his play tbh tho.
SKT instead of CJ because Rain and Fantasy are AK-PL monsters.
Also Stats on anti is suicide. I would rather go Jaedong.
Im going for a lineup of players i will be following for various reasons. Did not care too much with the anti team, but i have a feeling Zenio and JYP wont show that strong resaults. My weird picks is probably Crazy-Hydra on the Anti team, and hOpe + Jangbi in my main team. But I hope to see Jangbi's skill increase.
Ok, here we go! I think i can do fairly well with this team
TM87
Main Team 10 Flash (captain) - This guy is a winning machine and I'm sure he will do well. 5 Dear - Looked great in R1, has a tough first match vs Wooki though.. Still, I think he is worth picking up as he will play alot and probably win alot too. 3 Hydra - Not sure about Hydra.. He is really good against protoss, but not that good elsewhere, i picked him because his first match is vs a toss. Will probably trade him later. 1 Hyuk - Here is my 1 pointer, he is on SKT so he gives me points when they win. 3 Light - As has been said alot in the thread already, this guy is damn good but didnt see much playtime in R1, he is a starter vs SAM now though, and hopefully we shall see alot from him. 4 Speed - Had trouble deciding between Speed and Jaehoon, but ended up with Speed. He has looked pretty good so far and is also a starter, and should be able to beat Reality. 4 SK Telecom T1 - I really wanted KT, but hey! SKT at 4 points is a really good deal I think and in my opinion there is no reason NOT to pick SKT.
In general then this team is fairly well balanced, with all the players being form different teams. This probably means I will do horribly, but since this is AK format maybe it will work. Also with all my players being starters the first week (exept Hyuk of course) I should get at least some points, I cant see all of them losing
Anti Team 3 Hitman - Didn't want a KT member here, but Hitman seemed a good anti since he won't play too much I hope. 7 Jaedong - Didn't want Jaedong here either, but somebody has to be here... 3 Zenio - Zenio just isn't worth 3 points...
herO and Soulkey are both excellent players, not much explanation there. herO is a pretty valuable 8 point player in my opinion - excellent performance, not a lot of competition on his team, unlike with some of the EG-TL big-pointers. Soulkey seems extremely reliable and has been tested under pressure.
MajOr and ThorZaIN are gambles. I think ThorZaIN is getting in stride, and MajOr is a good enough player that he should win a game here and there.
Revival might be the most solid 3 point pick, which is why he's on everybody's team. I think he's going to beat Flash.
Speed had a 4-2 record last season, I believe, and he's on Team 8, which means he'll see a lot of play time. He's playing right off the bat and I think he's got a good shot at winning the first match.
CJ is definitely worth more than 3 points, especially in a league format where herO can win as many games in a row as he can manage.
My anti team is mostly a result of reading through this thread - hyvaa hasn't lived up to expectations, Hitman is probably the most points of anybody unlikely to ever see play time, and JangBi doesn't seem particularly sharp to me.
Reasoning: Taeja is God Stats was undefeated in R1 Zenio is a ZvZ ace and on a team I expect to succeed Light is 11-2 or something in SPL SC2 i expect a breakout season. Motive KT player cheap hope for a W or 2 Acacia is on KT and worth 1 SKT has a great ace in Rain and a good 2nd in Fantasy that should get them many Ws cheaper than KT or EGTL
Spent all my points on taeja and rain so a bunch of random 1 pointer. Also have revival, he seems to have consistent results and should be a good pick for all kill round
Made some last minute changes. May come back to bite me but meh.
I dropped Best down and picked up HyuK(SKT winning free points) This let me upgrade soO to Jangbang who I orginally wanted anyway.
Dropped down Bbyong for MyuNgSiK I never had faith in Bbyong, MyuNgSiK will be my KT's HyuK when they win free points and let me upgrade my team from Khan to SKT :D
After last season's disappointment I decided to scrap CJ and go all-in with Stars with Soulkey leading the charge. EffOrt really didn't perform as well as I had hoped and I underestimated herO like crazy. Bbyong didn't play a single ace, Mind was an even bigger disappointment and Sea unfortunately retired.
MAIN
Neo.G_Soulkey - You can't go all-in with WJS without Soulkey and he showed strong performance last round so it was just a straight forward pick as I had some points to spend on a high-valued player. ZerO - With maps being predetermined I'm hoping Zero will rack up some points being a strong ZvZ sniper and overall a stable player. Light - Light is my pick for the most undervalued player this round and for only 3 points it's crazy how good he is. Light didn't get much playtime last round but I'm hoping the WL format will bring him out more. BeSt - I wanted to go with Dear but I couldn't afford him and it conflicted too much with having STX on my anti so I thought Best would be a decent replacement. Best's really good at preparing builds so I'm counting on that. Reality - Again, I didn't know who to pick for 3 points so I went with Reality even though his performance last round was rather shitty. I'm giving him another chance because there is something about his playstyle I love. free - Free has not shown particularly solid play so far but he's a decent all-round player.
ANTI
JYP - I'm always ganging up on JYP to lose and not sure why but I'll probably trade him when Stephano becomes available. Trap - There's not specific reason behind picking Trap, he just didn't impress me last round. hyvaa - It's the same thing with Hyvaa. He was a bit underwhelming last round compared to his performance in the hybrid PL but other than that I just figured having STX on my anti would be a good idea.
I took Teaja and JYP because I think they have a big streak potential. I dont know much about the Kespa Guys so I took some that had some good results in SC2 so far.
My Anti team is based on results of the previous week.
On January 05 2013 03:15 NbSky wrote: Having trouble picking one of my last players, I really wanted to pick Taeja but with this format EGTL has a lot of good players, Fantasy will probably get more playing time, but then there is Rain and SKT has a good team around too, Bogus on the other hand on STX doesn't have much support, he was my captain last time but didnt fair to well, wondering your guys thoughts
Called 3 kings for the sole reason that there are probably only 3 people on my team that will get good points, the rest are there to pick up lineup/team wins etc. My "kings" are all aces of the team, they are all guaranteed to be in the lineup and do well. As for my anti - went with an all Z lineup because I don't think they will be as good as before and Jaedong because I believe hes gonna be away for some tournament in Vegas.
Honestly, kinda picked at random and mostly names I liked. Could not pass up on Jaunito. Leta as protoss, plz :D Bbyong disappointed me last time so I antied him this time. Stats only played Ohana in my mind so think he is over valued.
I only have one zerg which could bit me in the ass but come on ... Korean terrans :O
For my team, Best is gonna do very well vs STX i expect at least 2 maybe 3 wins (possibly all kill..i kno right??) Leta ...I just don't know, i had 1 point and he's the only player in the 1 point range that i've heard of/knew that he'd at least get a chance to play (Maybe ...***crosses fingers***) Rain is pretty obvious Revival is gonna all kill skt...just wait and see Speed is going first (its a free point mang) Stork is gonna surprise some people i think CJ entus definitely is better than how they played
Anti-Team JYP vs Fantasy ..that's all i need to say Bisu has looked abysmal in sc2 and zero was just a random pick b/c he had the right amount of points.
First time doing fantasy proleague...hopefully I'm not too stupid about this.
Everyone is putting their eggs in the Taeja basket, maybe I should just go for BaBy and hope he ends up going crazy and all-killing every week because the other T8 players, apart from maybe Speed, aren't going to be winning any matches for their team.
My updated team! I'm actually quite happy with it. I'm probably not going to get into the top 500ish, but I feel like it's an improvement. Actually spent some time thinking about it >_<
Might have been better trading one of my two expensive players for some mid-tier and under appreciated players like Bogus, but hey, I think this can work.
I decided to get a solid team, mixing it up with a player from each team and not necessary rely on big names. Shy is looking solid for 8 points. Wooki will probably see more playtime than Stats, I'm seeing him being their closer and will only see play in the end of a match. Wooki on the other hand will play whenever. Revival have looked pretty solid and with both Jaedong and PuMa gone for their 2nd match the 1st week he will see playtime. Mini, simple mini potentiality for 1p!
The unsure, might make some second switches. Bbyong looked terrible in those last games but he impressed me and seem to really know the game. Speed is one of the players on T8 that can actually win a game and just maybe go on a streak. But theres others for 4p that could be a better fit.
Anti:
RorO is scary but for 6 points it's justified to have him on the list. Shine... well you DIDN'T shine! Stork didn't look good and for 5p it's a pick!
I gamble on SAM being utter shit, it might come and bite me in the ass if they win two or three matches. At the same time it will make SAM put out more players if they are losing.
On January 05 2013 07:29 Kurbz wrote: I can't believe how little bogus is being picked, imo he is better then all the top terrans except maybe fantasy.
Considering his point value and compared to the rest? I'd try to avoid them altogether. If I really had to choose between Fantasy and TaeJa I'd pick TaeJa. Completely different opinion and I think STX is really going to struggle.
HerO[jOin], SoO and Soulkey are each in the top 2 of their teams ensuring alot of playing time, and each one of them is all kill capable, they are also each on the teams I think will do the best in this all kill format, SoO also came quite cheaply considering his skill so he was a definite lock. Revival is a player that is going to be a good contributor on EG-TL and chug out a few wins every week, quite worth the 3 cost. Snow is there just because i needed a 1 point terran, and mini is ther because he was a one point name i recognized, which, in my books, means hes worth more than one point, thus he was picked as my last player to fill up my remaining one point before the cap. SKT is soo stacked in this format that 4 is way, way less than they are worth, i really don't know why anyone would choose some other team in this format.
Anti Team
Bisu is there because he will definitely get 0 playtime on such a stacked SKT in this format and is worth 3, so he's a lock, Janbi is there because he is worth way less than 6 and will probably get negative points as Khan will send him out anyway since their lineup is weak overall. Speed is there just because i think he may be worth slightly less than his 4 cost and will probably not get much playtime.
Fantasy and Taeja will carry this round. Fantasy will get sent out before Rain I believe in probably 5 out of 7 matches. And I think Fantasy can easy win 2-3 in a row and win a series. Taeja has the best chance for reverse all-kill and will play in all EG-TL matches. Next, I went with people who will get games and could win. Shine, lost all 5 of his games. The fact he played 5 on a suspect Khan team suggests he will play. Might sneak a win or two. Same for Ryul and Bong. Hyuk because I have SKT1 and I believe they will go 6-1 or better with the All-kill format holding Fantasy/Rain combo.
Anti, I'm really gambling on seeing if Action can repeat or not. I will probably trade Stork for Stephano week 2. I just don't see Stephano playing yet.
Just changed some things after finding out that Major is not guaranteed to play this round.
jarf round 2
Main Team 3 Bbyong I was impressed with Bbyong in round 1 and I think he will do well in the all-kill format.
5 Crazy-Hydra (captain) I needed more zergs, since they do well in team league. Crazy-Hydra has such a crazy name, I just had to pick him. He is also my KT exposure.
5 Dear Dear tore up round 1, picking him for the same reason as Bbyong. Also for STX exposure, as I tried to spread out the teams where I could.
1 Leta Leta was pretty good in the small amount of bw proleague that I watched last year. I think 1 point is a pretty good deal for someone with potential. Hoping for a nice surprise from him.
3 Revival For 3 points, an established zerg (aka team league crusher) is a sweet deal. I think he will be worth the price, as long as Taeja isn't going 4-0.
9 TaeJa Taeja dominates team leagues and has shown that he IS team liquid(Taeja). It was hard to drop the 9 points on a single player, but I think Taeja is the safest bet and undervalued when compared to Rain(11 points).
4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd] SKTT1 has great potential in the all-kill format. I expect them to do even better than they did in round 1.
Anti Team 4 Speed I don't know much about Speed, but he doesn't seem like a 4 point player.
5 Stork I don't think Stork is going to explode with success this round.
4 Trap I think unknown Terrans generally get stomped in team leagues, so I picked the lowest-point Terran I could find to finish up the anti-team.
Most difficult decision in this (at least for me) was what attitude am I gonna take with creating the team. Am I gonna take those heavy hitters that will get all the allkills but who cost a lot of points and I am weakening the rest of my team by choosing them? Or am I gonna take the guys who probably wont get all the allkills and everything, but they will probably play a lot and still have potential to take 2-3 games every match?
I took the second option with my team and I will explain why. If I look at the 8+ points value, I see a bunch of players, who are all capable of all-killing but also can lose to each other. Rain is probably the strongest of them, but monumental price of 11 points is too much even for him. It would cripple the team completely. Second most interesting is Fantasy, but he is also overpriced imo. Mostly because he can lose to almost anyone in 8+ points value. Same goes for basically everyone there, with the exception of Flash (he is just straight up overrated, seriously how did he get that high? He is 5-3 and looks weaker then Taeja, Fantasy from Terrans and then there is also Soulkey and sHy from other races. And even Stats has better stats and scored as much points in R1 as him) and Taeja, who is priced OK and would be a valuable pickup for any team... but! I am of an opinion, that EG-TL is actually too stacked and they wont have to use Taeja as much, cause the other players (Stephano, Revival, HerO, JD) will probably get the work done before it comes to him. Of course, EGTL can use him in other position then team ace, but I think it is safe to assume that he will be coming out last and will not get too much of a chance for allkills.
What I am trying to say is, there is actually too much players considered "aces" for only Bo7 (which means, everyone will have to lineup their strongest players all the time, cause in this format you cannot lose 2 games for nothing) and I think we wont actually see many allkills. Of course, this is only a gamble and theory, in the end it will come to performance and luck, but I decided to follow this.
And now we come to the players I chose and why:
Main Team:
SK Telecom T1 is obvious choice imo. For only 4 points, they can lineup amazing team with Rain and Fantasy, being backed up by soO and Best. They dont actually have amazing deep, but in this format it doesnt matter. They are top heavy and thats what matters. My wild guess is - lineup of Rain, Fantasy, soO, Best is gonna be fielded in all their matchups except for maybe few of them, where Bisu will alternate for Best. Imo, only team who can field better lineup is EGTL - and SKT will play them before Stephano gets there + with missing JD and Puma. I think SKT1 can win entire round and I hope they do.
RorO is only ace player, who is valued 6. He is ace of Samsung and he will HAVE TO win some games if Samsung is to win matches. Of course, question is if he will be able to, but I think he will. In the end, he is still one of the best KESPA players and this format should suit him more. I dont think he will allkill anytime soon, but he actually can and if he has lucky day anything can happen.
Wooki was a really tough choice. I wanted Stats, I really did, but I couldnt find that one more point elsewhere in my team. So I took second best I could and that is Wooki. Mostly because he plays against Dear in starters match, which means he will at least play + he actually beat Dear in R1, so I hope he will win that and maybe 1 more game and I will be able to trade him for someone else (like Stats for example ;-))
soO. What can I say? He is strong macro zerg. he will definitely win some games and probably also lose some. Thats OK. I just hope he will win more then lose. Also, he is SKT zerg ace, which means he is guaranteed to play almost every match.
Revival is like the most underrated player in this round. Everyone should get him fast, while he is so cheap. He is a guy, who can beat anyone, including Flash in the opening game and this is not something you can say about a lot of 3 pointers. For that price, he is a bargain.
Light is another 3 pointer, who seems to be doing well. There are actually quite a few amazing 3 pointers this round. I chose Light mostly because he plays against Stork in opening game, who he beat just a few days ago. I hope he wins at least that one, maybe one more and then we will see!
Reality is another pretty underrated 3 pointer. He is opening against Speed. His TvT beat Baby and Bogus in R1 (and lost to hOn_sin). Speed only beat Turn in R1. Pretty safe choice hopefully. I was deciding between him and Last (Last opening vs Best) and after checking stats, maps, possibilities etc - I decided with coin toss. Reality it is. He is at least going to play all matches for sure as strongest terran (and second strongest player) in Khan, while Last is only 2nd to Bogus as Terran and somewhere in between 3-6 overall in STX.
Anti Team:
Jaedong I chose him, as everyone, because he doesnt play first week, most probably in both matchups (for sure at least in the match against SKT). Will see who I can trade him for afterwards, but I wouldnt be surprised if I keep him - EGTL will have Taeja, HerO, Stephano in W2 (probably) and that leaves JD fighting for 4th spot with Revival (who may actually be even better then him), JYP, Puma and foreigners. I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt play at all. It is actually pretty tough for Hwanni, to decide who will play - will he not play superstar like Jaedong? Or will he bench Revival, who very well may be better player? Or will he play Thorzain/HuK as foreigners, who Koreans probably want to see and would be good for marketing? Tough choice, will be interesting to see what will happen.
SonGDuri. 3rd zerg on CJ behind Hydra and Effort. 5th or 6th overall. I would be surprised if he got much playtime at all.
Hitman. Same as the guy above. Third Zerg and 6th-7th overall. Doubt he will play.
Other interesting players:
Stats is very daring choice, too bad he costs 7 and not 6. But ifI would have that one point I am missing, I would take Stats for sure!
Bbyong, Last - basically same as Reality and Light. I chose the other two only because of them opening and because of their opponents/matchups. Weird how these guys can cost same 3 points as Songduri or Hitman...
Best - another strong 3 pointer. Opening for SKT against Last on Ohana. Solid pick imo. I would expect immortal all-in.
Jaehoon - will get a lot of playing time as 2nd best player on Team 8. Costs 4 points, will probably win some and will probably also lose some.
So, glhf everyone! I hope my thought process is not entirely stupid, if you have some feedback or anything, I would be glad!
Team player counts: 1 CJ, 1 T8, 2 WJS, 1 STX, 1 SKT.
The main premise was that 3-point players are much more valuable than 2-point players in that they are quite likely to get play and potentially score points. This does, however, leave me with a single "ace", but I think all members of my team can and will score points to make up for that.
Hydra, Last, and Light are all playing week one and are also good players; they all have (except maybe Light) >50% chance of winning their matchups as well. Soo is part of the SKT core; he's sure to see a lot of play and is a great player. SKT T1 is a steal for 4 points in an all-kill format with Fantasy and Rain; neither of them have a glaring weakness like Flash TvT.
That leaves me with Jaehoon and Soulkey, and I'm honestly not sure of my choice here. I need a protoss player, and none of the 3-pt players are particularly compelling. Furthermore, an ace is needed, and with the exception of HerO, the biggest multi-kill potential is coming out of 8+ points, which effectively caps my second choice at 4 points. My choices are: Shy, herO, HerO (allows a 5-pointer), Jaehoon for Protoss. herO seems to be on a downturn lately, Shy doesn't strike me as having massive multi-kill potential. Furthermore, they're facing each other and given that they both have probably lineup appearances, I'd rather avoid this danger situation.
From the Hoon+8 and HerO + 5 combos, Hoon/Soulkey and HerO/Honsin seemed best. Though Honsin is probably worth a good deal more than Jaehoon, HerO has too many easily studyable VODs and bad habits that make him more prone to being sniped, at least in my amateur eyes, than Soulkey, who has pretty safe and stable play. In addition, HerO is competing for four wins with JD, Taeja, Revival, etc. and may not get as many as it seems he will.
Soo has the safest bet for consistent performance, so I'm sticking him as my captain.
To be completely honest, I would not be surprised if C-H didn't get much play this round: even though he's gonna cost me some points from KT wins, I feel like KT is mostly going to stick with a Action/Wooki/Stats/Flash combination. Jangbi has failed to impress, and Shine has the dubious title of scoring the least points last round for proleague.
So I'm still a little new to this whole fantasy proleague thing, but I actually feel kind of okay about my team this time around. I like EGTL's chances in an all-kill format. Would have gone with Taeja but didn't quite have the points for him and I feel like Hero's been doing well these days. Hoping Light gets some good playing time in this round and I think that Thorzain is getting his feet under him and should make some appearances. Have to say that Jaedong's play has not been that inspiring recently which is why he's on my anti team.
Seemed way harder to makea team this time cos the EGTL players were properly scored this time. Realy hurts that I couldnt have Flash cos he's absolutely amazing at all-kill format, but just couldnt get the team to go within 30 points
This anti team is gonna bite you in the arse so hard!
After a top 200 finish in round 1 due to KT Rolster... I feel almost bad ditching them for the MUCH better value of SKT1 this round...
My team's fate rests on SKT and CJ... Also hope MajOr gets there and gets some playtime for T8, because he could very much be a super-steal if he gets to play
Anti Team 5 Crazy-Hydra 3 Hitman 5 hOn_sin Reposting cause I changed a bit of stuff around. Got rid of Wooki (it was between him and Action and I've only seen his PvP really, whereas Action looks a little more solid all around which is important in all-kill format)so I could afford SKT and Bisu, and no KT overlap on main team. Anti-team, not really sure about; probably should've kept Bisu there, but I like him too much and think he'll probably make a decent sniper.
Completely ignored 1 and 2 point valued players since they are very unlikely to be sent out in this all-kill format. Choosing a couple 3 pointers also gives me more mobility when trade time comes.
A player who has a fourth place OSL finish and is the second best Terran on his team (behind Bogus). STX shows that they will likely play him more due to him starting in STX's first match against SKT1 against BeSt (if he does well, that is).
Not too sure about this 8 point pick especially since herO[jOin] and sHy were also available. Should perform just as well as any of the others, though.
Main Team 9 TaeJa (captain) - I'm a fan. 9 Fantasy - I'm becoming a fan. -tasy.. 4 Jaehoon - Was on my Anti-Team. Well rounded and will be fielded. 3 Light - I think he'll get more play time this round. 3 Revival - Just can't deny his potential to upset. 1 sSak - New to me. So that I could pick Fantasy over Stats. 1 < Samsung Khan > - 1 Point? ok.. JangBi fighting!
Anti Team 3 Hitman - Hopefully won't play much. 5 Stork - Hopefully out-shined by JangBi. 5 Crazy-Hydra - Hopefully doesn't ruin everything
Ahhhh I hate this needing to have one of each race rule. I really want to change Trap to Speed, but he's my only protoss. I wonder if I should change Baby for Hero[Join] so then I can get Speed instead of Trap...
On Main: I really wanted Flash. Really. But I also thought Fantasy would be a much better value, being cheaper and with Rain on SKT, it just seemed that they'd win more often than KT. So, I decided to screw myself, and pick two of my favorite BW players with Flash and Fantasy. <3
I think Light is undervalued at 3 points, and hope to see him crush face in the future. I'm hoping he'll be a strong vZ sniper.
Leta and Hyuk are there for team points and lols (plus <3 Leta). ThorZain for team points as well, but I'd actually like to see him spoon some mothafuckas.
On Anti: I have nothing against STX, I swear! I had BravO instead of Dear, and just wanted to fill out some 4 point players... I thought the STX 4 pointers were less solid than T8 4 pointers... Once I saw that I was STX heavy on Anti, I decided I might as well go balls-in and put in Dear as well.
Main: Banking on Taeja's all kill track record. I hope his TvP has gotten better. Bbyong and Roro have done well outside SPL. Revival has a lot of GSTL experience and is a starter. I have a friend that looks like Best. Major is just fun pick, would be cool to see him win.
Team: So many aces for 4 points.
Anti: Effort is 2-11 vP, should be easy to snipe and shouldn't get too many kills. With 8 points gone I was able to grab a couple of no shows.
Taeja and Stats will streak. Light and Flying to reap those sweet free WJS points. Light, Speed, and Revival are great for the price too.
Zenio and Bisu aren't that good, and will most likely get little play time (if any) this round. Jaedong on anti because apparently he will be missing the week 2 games, has GSL to prepare for, and can be sniped by a protoss fairly easily imo.
CJ's best terran and played in all seven matches last round, so I think he'll continue to see a lot of play time. Plus, he had a shout out to Teamliquid. How can you not take him?!
It was a really tough decision, but in the end I chose Hero and Speed over Baby and Trap. I still don't know which is the best choice. Fantasy teams. :-/ Speed had a very good 4-2 record last round, but 3 of those wins came against zergs who don't seem to have great ZvT, and the other was against Turn, who has a 16% TvT win rate. Trap's win rate isn't as impressive, going 3-3, but two of his losses were against Rain and Soo. I may change these at the last second. Blah.
An OSL semi-finalist for 3 points? That's pretty cool. He only went 3-3 last round, but his losses were against Baby twice and Roro. I can see him performing very well this round.
Apparently due to being sick, he was limited to just two games last round. However, he was one of two players to go undefeated, and is starting Woongjin's second match. I really wanted to get him from the beginning last round, but was unable to since he wasn't in the starting line up.
I'm not yet entirely convinced of Soo, but I think he has the best value amongst 5 pointers. He'll play basically every match, and is said to be a lot better in practice than he's shown in Proleague so far. I hope that this will be his break out round. I considered changing Hero for Stats and Soo for Action, but my main concern is that while Stats went 5-0 last round, every single game was on Ohana, and I wonder how that'll translate to winner's league when he'll be forced to play on a variety of maps. Also, while Action also had a very impressive 5-1 record, he really wasn't playing the best of opponents.
4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]
It pains me to not only have 0 KT players on my team but to also have to take SKT as my team. Sadly, they just have the best value.
Anti-team is really just impossible to predict. There are so many combinations of players that could very easily do nothing, or suddenly break out and destroy your team. What happened to the days of picking Stephano for a bunch of points and then having him not play at all...
On January 05 2013 10:55 TheDougler wrote: Mini! He might get played... No Hyuk, SKT1 will do well and he'll earn you points just by being on the bench no mini, NO HYUK! MINI, HYUK, ARGH!!!!
Feeling pretty good about my team, decided to drop Motive for Light because it seems like he'll probably get a bit more of a chance to play. Hopefully Jaehoon doesn't kill my anti-team as much as JYP did last round.
Anti Team 4 hyvaa 3 Reality 6 RorO I'm actually really nervous about my anti team b/c there were no easy picks there to get me to 13 this round. I feel good about my main team though. I'll certainly be trading my anti team quite a bit. Hope they have bad first week so their value drops
Anti Team 4 hyvaa 5 Stork 4 Trap I'm actually really nervous about my anti team b/c there were no easy picks there to get me to 13 this round. I feel good about my main team though. I'll certainly be trading my anti team quite a bit. Hope they have bad first week so their value drops
If it's any consolation we picked the exact same anti team.
So question, if you had to choose between revival and bbyong, who'd you pick?
Main Team 3 Bisu his time is nigh 8 Bogus (captain) always fielded, willing to all in ftw, flash killer 7 HerO often played, quiet consistency 1 Mini colossus all ins are great 3 Revival is zerg 3 Zenio is zerg 4 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]
This is my first ever FPL, and I didn't make a team in time for round 1.
I have no idea what I'm doing.
If you're going to get 1s, pick 1s on good teams like KT Rolster, SKT, or WJS so that their value goes up anyways and you can trade them for people who actually play or just let their team wins give you points :D You'll figure it out quickly though.
On January 05 2013 10:55 TheDougler wrote: Mini! He might get played... No Hyuk, SKT1 will do well and he'll earn you points just by being on the bench no mini, NO HYUK! MINI, HYUK, ARGH!!!!
On January 05 2013 05:36 Salteador Neo wrote: @phyre112
I would go with 2.
hOn_sin might not be worth 5 points, specially in a team with Light (who is maybe a better terran overall) and a stacked lineup. Can't say much about his play tbh tho.
SKT instead of CJ because Rain and Fantasy are AK-PL monsters.
Also Stats on anti is suicide. I would rather go Jaedong.
I think hOn_sin is worth 4 points in the first week, because of the teams that woongjin is going up against (KHAN and CJ) neither of which have a strong terran lineup. He's beaten Reality, BaBy, Fantasy, and Mind this season and lost to a cheesy map-dependant all-in from Bogus. The only Terran to really just outclass him this season was his game vs Taeja. Next week, against SKT and KT with their aces both being (arguably) Terran, and Flash's noted TvT weakness I think he will definitely see playing time, and has a great chance to pull a few wins (worth 5 or 6 points next week). I switched down to Jaehoon but I hope one of my players values will inflate enough to trade to him next week.
With the spare point, I went up to SKT. SKT is the team I wanted (and you're crazy if you don't too) - CJ was a compromise really, but not a bad one IMO. I'm expecting (and hoping) that they do well this round.
Also traded herO[jOin] for sHy - I like sHy in a PvP better (beat JYP and Jangbi last round, vs. lost to Jangbi and Stats). I'll probably try to trade this back when the week 2 lineups are announced, so I now hope that sHy wins his matches.
Looks like Stats will be playing Ace this week, and I hope Flash gets most of the kills for KT so I think I'm keeping him. I'll hope to trade to Jaedong or Stephano next week. With action, Crazy-Hydra, Wooki, and the previously noted sniper-nature of Stat's play, It's a gamble, but I think it's a reasonable one and one that could pay off. I did make the trade of Anti-Ryul2 up to Anti-Trap (not worth 4 points) and Anti-Terminator down to Anti-hOpe. I figure trap is a better choice than hyvaa because STX has another protoss (Dear) but not another Zerg.
I decided to get a solid team, mixing it up with a player from each team and not necessary rely on big names. Shy is looking solid for 8 points. Wooki will probably see more playtime than Stats, I'm seeing him being their closer and will only see play in the end of a match. Wooki on the other hand will play whenever. Revival have looked pretty solid and with both Jaedong and PuMa gone for their 2nd match the 1st week he will see playtime. Mini, simple mini potentiality for 1p!
The unsure, might make some second switches. Bbyong looked terrible in those last games but he impressed me and seem to really know the game. Speed is one of the players on T8 that can actually win a game and just maybe go on a streak. But theres others for 4p that could be a better fit.
Anti:
RorO is scary but for 6 points it's justified to have him on the list. Shine... well you DIDN'T shine! Stork didn't look good and for 5p it's a pick!
I gamble on SAM being utter shit, it might come and bite me in the ass if they win two or three matches. At the same time it will make SAM put out more players if they are losing.
Anti Team 4 hyvaa 5 Stork 4 Trap I'm actually really nervous about my anti team b/c there were no easy picks there to get me to 13 this round. I feel good about my main team though. I'll certainly be trading my anti team quite a bit. Hope they have bad first week so their value drops
If it's any consolation we picked the exact same anti team.
So question, if you had to choose between revival and bbyong, who'd you pick?
I changed my anti team. I don't like betting against Stork. Plus RorO got only 1 point more than stork last round but he costs an extra point so i could pick up reality and drop trap. Bbyong vs Revival might depend on what your team make up is atm. If you have a lot of EG-TL players already you don't want too many from the same team this round because they could take potential wins (and points) from one another. I think Revival will get to play a lot for EG-TL though so probably him. TaeJa>JD>HerO > JYP>Revival >Zenio > Huk > Thorzain for EG-TL IMO. Bbyong maybe like 3rd in line for CJ. herO[join]>Effort > Bbyong > Hydra > Song.Duri>Skyhigh> others for CJ IMO.
On January 05 2013 11:27 GolemMadness wrote: Oh god, I just changed my team again. I now have every single team represented on my main team except for EG/TL.
I haven't got an EG-TL, an STX, or a KT player... and my only double is SKT. How do you have a player from every team? Unless you're counting your team selection as well, in which case I have a triple SKT =p. (total sellout.)
On January 05 2013 11:27 GolemMadness wrote: Oh god, I just changed my team again. I now have every single team represented on my main team except for EG/TL.
I haven't got an EG-TL, an STX, or a KT player... and my only double is SKT. How do you have a player from every team? Unless you're counting your team selection as well, in which case I have a triple SKT =p. (total sellout.)
Yeah, I decided to go for Khan in the end. They will pick things up this round!
I haven't been following Proleague all too closely but I decided to give it a try anyways. Just for fun, you know. Here is the worst Fantasy Proleague team (in all history probably).
Pretty much Flash, Taeja and some "underdogs." And I'm really going to have to hope that Rain doesn't perform his best... I know, I just committed suicide there in so many ways.
Sticking with tajea and soulkey as the core of my team. I went with jaehoon instead of jangbi this time hoping for a big round this time. I picked up light hoping he keeps winning and can earn a spot as a woojin regular. I really wanted to get sk as my team but could do it without dropping tajea or soulkey so I am going with team 8 which I think willow finish this round 4th my only fear is that without a really strong ace they maybe suceptable to all kills
I've picked players that are all capable of carrying. I am placing faith in Stork. Setting expensive player as captain is never a good idea so Soulkey and Stats are non-captains. I think Stork will be consistent, hopefully. I think my team is very balanced. Mini has opportunities to come out and play compared to other 1 point players. I went for Soulkey over likes of Flash because Flash showed weakness in TvT and likely will be sniped for it, which means at most he will get 1 kill (of course, that is hoping). Stats went undefeated and is a monster so he is a safe pick and will play every match. As for teams, CJ probably doesn't have the best all-kill players, but Hydra, Effort, herO are all capable of doing so, and by sending only best 4 player, they have a good chance of winning. Anti-team I'll prolly trade HerO for Stephano after week 1. I placed in top 40 first round so here is the hoping that I'll step it up.
First, I got the PL ELO ranks for the top 50 players in 2012-13 PL (from TLPD), and filtered out all the players with an ELO under 2000 (the baseline).
Then I ranked the top scoring ELO players by valuation ratio.
(P - LA - TW) / $ = R
Where P = season 12 points LA = season 12 lineup appearance points TW = season 12 team win points $ = season 13 cost
R = the resulting ratio. A higher R denotes a player with better "value".
Then I picked only players with high Rs, high ELOs, and at least one "streak break", which means they took down a good player.
So pretty much a core of Dear/Speed/Stats/Taeja. Taeja and Stats have the potential to clean up teams. Dear and Speed are extremely good for their value. Paralyze and Acacia are there to get me team points from SKT and KT, and act as dark horses. P is still pretty overpowered following the infestor nerf. Heavy Samsung focus in the anti-team--a lot of their players are pretty overvalued.
On January 05 2013 11:43 AgentW wrote: From what I've noticed in this thread, I think I know the answer to this question, but being a numbers person, I was curious.
Poll: What team did you select?
SK Telecom T1 (30)
59%
Woongjin Stars (5)
10%
Samsung Khan (5)
10%
EG-TL (3)
6%
CJ Entus (3)
6%
STX Soul (2)
4%
Team 8 (2)
4%
KT Rolster (1)
2%
51 total votes
Your vote: What team did you select?
(Vote): EG-TL (Vote): KT Rolster (Vote): Woongjin Stars (Vote): SK Telecom T1 (Vote): CJ Entus (Vote): STX Soul (Vote): Team 8 (Vote): Samsung Khan
Main Team: Action - KT's main zerg. I owe him minerals.
Light - Sin kinda took Light's role in stars as the core terran, but with Light being sent out as the starter in their match against Khan, it means that he isn't as overshadowed by Sin as I had originally thought.
Mini - Probably the only one-pointer that has a chance to be sent out.
Revival - Hopping on the Revival-Bandwagon with the absence of JD and Stephano. Hopefully he wins a game or two this week, because I'm gonna trade him away in week 2 for Bbyong(CJ's main terran for 3 points; he's my original choice for this slot, I'm just greedy and will take a risk with Revival in week 1).
Soo - SKT's main zerg for 5 points is a good deal. He'll get sent out every single SKT match.
P7GAB - Kinda KT's main protoss. He'll get sent out as much as Stats, and he's cheaper. I think they're fairly equal and KT will alternate between them or even use them both in some matches.
KT - I always get KT as my team whether it's cost efficient or not. Idgaf.
Anti: Hyvaa - STX's main zerg(actually only decent zerg), so he'll get sent out a lot just like last round. He'll also lose a lot, just like last round.
Jaedong - Gonna miss a match or two this week they said. Most probably gonna trade him away next week.
Nagi - Yeah he's Woongjin and might get a few team win points but it's safer than my original anti with JD, Stork and a 1-pointer. He's the 2-pointer least likely to get sent out.
On January 05 2013 12:34 Shady Sands wrote: If Jangbi starts raping face I'm going to hate myself for spending the last 10 minutes of trading writing a post on how I picked a team
I think you have more to worry about with Reality. Moneyball is all well and good, but his losses were to three ace players and a TvT sniper. There's a reason he's gotten so much hype in this thread.
On January 05 2013 12:07 phyre112 wrote: Freaking out. Was going over my team one last time, and then I realized that IT IS TIME.
left everything as it was, time to see if it's paying off.
Left nothing as it was, already regretting it. T_T
Made the trade 20 minutes before close to go herO[jOin] -> sHy. m last minute change was probably going to be sHy -> bogus or effort, so.... glad I kept it!
? Hopefully servers just have to reset for round 2 and I didn't screw myself :/
Yeah, exactly my concern. Don't tell me you mods/people handling FPL just FAILED to mention that we actually NEED to post them here, as opposed to (Menu bar)Features->Fantasy->Fantasy Proleague (StarCraft 2) link below. http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Standings.php?r=13 Then search your name.
You did press submit and it said your team was created, right? There are some rules you might have broken and it asked you to fix it ( I didn't realize I needed one of each race on my team and had to fix it).
you also did make a team for round TWO, not just round ONE, right?
On January 05 2013 13:48 Complete wrote: You did press submit and it said your team was created, right? There are some rules you might have broken and it asked you to fix it ( I didn't realize I needed one of each race on my team and had to fix it).
you also did make a team for round TWO, not just round ONE, right?
Flash and Rain are self explained to you guys Flying might perform well in this round fOKINS because i needed a 1 pointer for easy points yeOngJae because he pretty decent in SC2 and have alot of potental to turn into a monster :O Anti Team 5 soO 5 Stork 3 Terminator Terminator not been doing well and I hope he continues to Stork is a risk because he didn't do to hot this last round soO not been doing good in sc2 at all as of now. GL HF guys
On January 05 2013 12:34 Shady Sands wrote: If Jangbi starts raping face I'm going to hate myself for spending the last 10 minutes of trading writing a post on how I picked a team
I think you have more to worry about with Reality. Moneyball is all well and good, but his losses were to three ace players and a TvT sniper. There's a reason he's gotten so much hype in this thread.
On January 05 2013 12:07 phyre112 wrote: Freaking out. Was going over my team one last time, and then I realized that IT IS TIME.
left everything as it was, time to see if it's paying off.
Left nothing as it was, already regretting it. T_T
Made the trade 20 minutes before close to go herO[jOin] -> sHy. m last minute change was probably going to be sHy -> bogus or effort, so.... glad I kept it!
Flash and Rain are self explained to you guys Flying might perform well in this round fOKINS because i needed a 1 pointer for easy points yeOngJae because he pretty decent in SC2 and have alot of potental to turn into a monster :O Anti Team 5 soO 5 Stork 3 Terminator Terminator not been doing well and I hope he continues to Stork is a risk because he didn't do to hot this last round soO not been doing good in sc2 at all as of now. GL HF guys
Flash and Rain are self explained to you guys Flying might perform well in this round fOKINS because i needed a 1 pointer for easy points yeOngJae because he pretty decent in SC2 and have alot of potental to turn into a monster :O Anti Team 5 soO 5 Stork 3 Terminator Terminator not been doing well and I hope he continues to Stork is a risk because he didn't do to hot this last round soO not been doing good in sc2 at all as of now. GL HF guys
Flash and Rain are self explained to you guys Flying might perform well in this round fOKINS because i needed a 1 pointer for easy points yeOngJae because he pretty decent in SC2 and have alot of potental to turn into a monster :O Anti Team 5 soO 5 Stork 3 Terminator Terminator not been doing well and I hope he continues to Stork is a risk because he didn't do to hot this last round soO not been doing good in sc2 at all as of now. GL HF guys
Didnt soO win the proleauge vs MLG invit?
and he also gave my alot of points last round
he 4-3 but his games doesn't look confencing for me to put him on my main team plus less likely he will be played very much this this round Edit: MLG invit doesn't count for that of proleague
On January 06 2013 14:32 Rube_Juice wrote: anyone who picked Flash/KT is fucking rolling in it now.. i have Rain / SKT and Rain isn't a starter, can't hope to match this performance...
I have Flash and KT too, aswell as Fantasy who is the starter vs EG-TL. One could say it's going pretty well right now.
On January 05 2013 02:30 Raiquer wrote: Flash aka God
For round 2 I went in with my duo from round 1 for my main team, in Flash and Fantasy, who served me really well there. And just as in round 1, I picked KT Rolster as my team, this time with higher point value because of their success in round 1. This time I had less points over to use since Fantasy's increase of value from round 1. Since I only had 5 points left for 4 players, I picked one of my favorite players, ThorZain, aswell as 3 one point players.
ANTI TEAM
I originally wanted Stephano on my anti team but he wasn't available until week 2. Therefore after week 1 I'll trade away Stats for Stephano to my anti team. The reason I picked Stats is because I assumed he wouldn't play against EG-TL because Flash is starting and hopefully he doesn't have to play against STX either, which I think won't change his point value anything so that I can trade him for Stephano.
In hindsight, I realize that I picked all protoss for my anti-team.
I also put Jangbi on it.
I'm made a terrible mistake.
In all seriousness though I'm somewhat happy with this team. Last is a pretty consistent terran. Flying I've heard is a pretty good toss. Taeja is Taeja. Revival killing it atm. I'll be honest though, I picked Hitman because of his name
EPT
Acacia
Bogus
Jaehoon
Wooki... Eh. I feel like he overperformed in R1, and I don't think he can hold it up in the long run. 
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Woongjin Stars
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Team 8
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KT Rolster![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eGXiz.png?1)
EG-TL because ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/24.png){kind=icon}
and the other three dudes
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Best - another strong 3 pointer. Opening for SKT against Last on Ohana. Solid pick imo. I would expect immortal all-in. 
